Nrx literati

>>9123868
It doesn't matter "what" he is. What matters is that he's fucking redpilled and trying to save whiteness and masculinity. We must support him, like we support all right-wingers who are trying to restore the West

His heart is too big

Isn't he actually a Marxist?

>>9123875
His characters always get cuckd and resort to prostitutes

fuck off

>>9123890
to illustrate how degenerate and worthless liberals are

>>9123890
He's documenting the state of the West in order to invoke a response.

Soumission was a display of how cucked the West has become for example.

>>9123875
He's not redpilled.
He just says that the human race and society in general are fundamentally flawed, but at least a conservative society has more chances to succeed at the expense of individual freedom.

I guess you think that Soumission is about the decay of western society, you dumb underage.

>>9123930
He browses /pol/, they've confirmed it

>>9123868
France is a post apocalyptic disaster area by this point. Kinda hard to make analogies with US politics, he seems closer to the ideas of the Nouvelle Droite, which precedes Nrx/Altright by decades.

>>9123938
Yet he is a marxist.
Being a critic of islam != being redpilled

>>9123924
And the ease with which it'll readily accept any religious tradition that promises it order and submission. Because the West in it's decadence became depraved but never lost it's nostalgia for masochism.

>>9123955
marxists are braindead
hollebeck is redpilled

get that through your thick shit skull

File: 1476393684002.jpg (27KB, 350x335px) Image search: [Google]

27KB, 350x335px

>>9123966
>/pol/tard can't accept the fact that his memewriter is marxist
His work is a 1:1 copy of Clouscard's work.

>>9123990
>libcuck doesn't realize that he's redpilled and thinks marxists are to blame for the state of the West

>>9123868
No. He more or less is showing the destruction of the soul for modern neo-liberalism, mindless consumption to fill whatever void you think you might have, be it sex without love, food without taste and giving into desires without forethough

>>9123998
Houellebecq takes cues from both conservatism and western marxist to criticize liberalism. He is above your shitty american two-dimensional politics spectrum.
Please read L'Être et le Code before making more stupid "le ebin redpill xD" comments.

>>9124033
marxism is a mental illness

>>9123930

He mostly focusses on the West though. He doesn't say anything about global society.

Asia is doing fine and will do fine.

>>9123990

Houellebecq has said on multiple occassions, and made it clear in multiple books, that he hates Marxists.

>>9124110

In his book, the one that is set in Thailand,( forgot the name ), he pretty much makes it clear that Asia is doing extremely well. That a new life and set of values can be established there.
But the tiny Muslim minority is enough to disrupt that harmony the majority culture is capable of bringing.

He's so incredibly islamophobic I love it.

>>9124128
>Platform

>>9124114
His most important ideas are based on marxist theses.
Also, hating sandniggers doesn't mean that he's conservative. I'm an anarchist and I hate those fuckers too.

>>9123875
fuck off nazi. how'd it feel watching your hero richard spencer get punched in his fascist mouth?

BASH THE FASH

>>9124144

Sure. But that matters for shit. Many intelligent fascists ( I know that's impossible to conceive for a North American liberal nut ) read Marx and Marxist works.

Have you checked out Zentropa? They've been playing the alt right game far longer than any burger. But they actually encourage reading instead of their no-fun-allow-anti-degeneracy campaigns through frogtwitter. They read Marxists just as much as college undergrads do. They even have references to Marxist sociologists, but of course all in order to support their agenda: solidarism.

Lol. "NRx" as in Neoreaction? NRx is an American phenomenon (and I use that term generously) deriving from some autistic ex-libertarian's blog. What the fuck does Houellebecq have to do with Moldbug? These are people who think the government should be run like a corporation and lead by a CEO. They literally think a guy like Jeff Bezos would make a good king. They aren't even proper reactionaries. They're Austrian spergs disingenuously trying to rebrand and market their sycophancy towards big business as traditionalist in some way to give it a prestige that it wouldn't otherwise have.

As far as I can, Houellebecq is a disillusioned leftist who has become increasingly culturally conservative as he's grown pessimistic about the effects of certain left-wing politic trends, namely mass immigration and the sexual revolution. More than anything, he's a pessimist in the vein of Schopenhauer who sees life as fundamentally negative. In his own words, he doesn't identify as a conservative or reaction because he doesn't think you can go back. He sees himself as merely describing the effects of certain things. He doesn't have the hope that his novels will change anything nor does he think that's possible.

>>9124216
This. Left-wing conservatism is the ultimate redpill by the way. Read Sloterdijk for more input.

>>9124148
This post is embarrassing desu

>>9124216
Nrx is californian libertarianism: ye olde renaissance faire edition. ie. nerds who want to get cucked by greasy bay area techlords.

>>9123868
The basic point of Soumission to not care about "muh creeping shariah" because no Euro can stop it, it's basically a parody of ((((((((((((Neoreaction)))))))))))))

>>9124157
>Zentropa

Could you elaborate on this?

>>9124248
no, it's a parody of the weakness and servility of European intellectuals

File: 1357429513348 usa.jpg (62KB, 632x553px) Image search: [Google]

62KB, 632x553px

>>9124216
Western European culture is pretty much American culture at this point.

>>9124216
This desu. Remove all liberals.

>>9124148
u okay?

>>9124251
>no, it's a parody of the weakness and servility of European intellectuals
Yes, hence my post.

>>9124252
That is correct but we should note that European culture is to American culture what Greek culture was to Roman culture.

>>9124271
American 'culture' is a technocapital abomination, the corruption and debasement of all other human culture

>>9124279
>implying Roman culture was any different in that regard

>>9124279
"culture" is shit from the ground up you spooked ga

>>9124298
Spooks are spooks

File: Intelligence.gif (5KB, 97x127px) Image search: [Google]

5KB, 97x127px

>>9124128
>He's so incredibly islamophobic
He's not, just read/watch the interview he gave to "Canal plus" after the "Charlie Hebdo" assault.
While he indeed said "Islam is the stupidest of all religions" when he was promoting "Plateforme", he distanced himself from the statement meanwhile.
You can even read "Soumission" as a kind of Houellebecqian Utopia (of course not entirely) since a lot of his ideas about how a society should be are fulfilled in the moderately theocratic society he describes at the end of the book.
(Of course H. is a little bit enigmatic and you never know if he sais and writes something out of promotional purposes, if his first-person-narrator is a character or the real H., and even if the H. in the interviews he gives is a character or the real H.)

>>9123924
>>9123963
another point: in the book francois was leaning towards catholicism, but seeing islam as the more pragmatic choice for continuing his dying career, he converted.

>>9124148
Everyone I've ever met who says bash the fash has hep b and wears leather all year round

File: 13532958_10209865508345506_7812631015909059614_n.jpg (114KB, 832x960px) Image search: [Google]

114KB, 832x960px

>>9123868
He has literally nothing to do with nrx and there is nothing more irrelevant today than nrx. Eat shit niglet

File: Anasyromenos_statuette,_Rome_art_market.jpg (413KB, 669x1080px) Image search: [Google]

413KB, 669x1080px

Hermaphrodites where worshipped as gods in proto indoeuropean religion, this only changed due to semitic, Judeo christian influence. Maybe 'being trans gender' is not degenerate, but actually the ultimate act of rebellion against the modern world

>>9124216
Good post - H. is quite representative of the sane, intelligent European; an old blue socialist with contempt for the right, the religious and new left identity politics. As for the States - its impossible to even couch the political landscape in any sort of normal political terms.

He was born in a communist family and was quite clearly a communist in his youth. I doubt he is one anymore but the imprint still shows.

>>9124279
>proving his point
If European culture wasn't based on commerce then American culture wouldn't exist

>>9124248
>it's basically a parody of ((((((((((((Neoreaction)))))))))))))

It's not. H. probably has no idea neoreaction even exists. France never had an equivalent movement. The fringest right-wing movement they ever had is the New Right and it's anticapitalist as fuck, even using Marxist tools for analysis.

>>9124458
>Hermaphrodites
As common as people with an animal head.

What we see are not hermaphrodites, but children being mutilated on the order of hysteric parents and other young or old individuals with gender dysphoria, a mental illness that requires proper psychotherapeutic treatment.

>>9123886
Many Nrx people are Marxists.

>>9124216
>Houellebecq is a disillusioned leftist who has become increasingly culturally conservative as he's grown pessimistic about the effects of certain left-wing politic trends

>implying this couldn't just as well describe Moldbug or Land

>>9124821
>>implying this couldn't just as well describe Moldbug or Land
But Houellebecq is neither autistic, nor schizophrenic.

>>9124458

The way Hermaphrodites were envisioned has no relation with the contemporary concept of a ''transgender''.

>>9123930
Yeah, Soumission was actually a plea for female sexual liberation.

>>9124591
Says who? You? And it harm none, do what thou wilt. Your comfort zone is just as one dimensional as anybody who uses the words trigger and warning unironically.

>>9124950

>And it harm none

I suppose the only way you can conceptualize ''harm'' is someone punching someone else in the face or something?

File: 6gxEkbLv2p8bxe97YrS9xUQQo1_r3_400.jpg (33KB, 400x344px) Image search: [Google]

33KB, 400x344px

>>9124950
4chan has actually made me way more sympathetic to gays trannies and the like, the medium forces you to understand other people at least to some level

>>9124626
>Many Nrx people are Marxists.

No, they aren't. Their ideology is based on Mencius Moldbug, an ex-libertarian blogger whose political ideology can be seen reactionary flavored American libertarianism. There's literally no connection to Marxism whatsoever, and it's obvious when you read anything Moldbug has written that he doesn't understand Marxism or left-wing politics in general.

There are certainly plenty of ex-leftists on the far-right, but every single NRxer I've encountered has been an ex-libertarian, which should tell you something about how narrow the appeal for this horseshit is.

NRxers are simply really boring reactionaries who read shitty pleb-tier scifi and Austrian economics texts instead of Nietzsche and Spengler. They're not school shooter types and meth head psychos like Neo-Nazis, and they're not repressed homosexuals like Evola fanboys. They're hurr durr STEM masterace redditors. They're people who list Ender's Game as one of their favorite novels or otherwise brag about only reading non-fiction. Worse than being evil, they're just really, really fucking lame.

>>9124821
>>implying this couldn't just as well describe Moldbug or Land

Land doesn't care about anything except capitalism and AI. He puts the term "atomization" in sneer quotes. He's sort of his own thing with his own little cult and uses NRx to serve his purposes.

Moldbug is a stereotypical libertarian. He literally uses the phrase "teh internets" and makes Harry Potter and Monty Python references in his political manifesto. There's no way he's ever read a word of Marx.

>>9125286
Land wasn't always a Nrxer, if you read his early stuff you could take him for a tumblr inhabitant, if a little more deranged than usual, in 'Kant, capital, and the prohibition of incest' he even talks about 'neocolonial patriarchal capitalism' and calls for violent feminism revolution. There's even an ideology called 'xenofeminism' which combines landian accelerationism with some feminist/transgender ideas.

>>9125307
>The primordial anthropological bond between marriage and trade is dissolved, in order that capital can ethnically and geographically quarantine its consequences from itself. The question of racism, which arises under patriarchal capital as the default of a global trade in women (a parochialism in the system of misogynistic violence; the non·emergence of a trans-cultural exogamy), is thus more complex than it might seem, and is bound in profound but often paradoxical ways to the functioning of patri·archy and capital. Systematic racism is a sign that class positions within the general (trans-national) economy are being distributed on a racial basis,

>tfw nick land went through a 'woke' phase at one point

>>9125286
So much buttangrey in this post. Moldbug's playful immature references are only done ironically ;^)

>>9124947
>Yeah, Soumission was actually a plea for female sexual liberation.
Ergo: "Pickup culture".

Take that, cucklords!

>>9124973
>"they"
>undies in a bundle over a statue
If your logic is true, then destroying all of Arno Breks statues would rid us of nazis.

Also Lakshamana Temple with lots of cool statues.

File: n8umjWj.png (3KB, 698x1284px) Image search: [Google]

3KB, 698x1284px

>>9126135
There's no way on earth you actually believe this. Moldbug doesn't have an ironic bone in his body.

>>9125286
>NRxers are simply really boring reactionaries who read shitty pleb-tier scifi and Austrian economics texts instead of Nietzsche and Spengler. They're not school shooter types and meth head psychos like Neo-Nazis, and they're not repressed homosexuals like Evola fanboys. They're hurr durr STEM masterace redditors. They're people who list Ender's Game as one of their favorite novels or otherwise brag about only reading non-fiction. Worse than being evil, they're just really, really fucking lame.
> they're not repressed homosexuals like Evola fanboys. They're hurr durr STEM masterace redditors
My morian!

>>9123868
In the measure that his "submission" reminds me of the persian letters by Montesquieu

>>9125307
>The only resolutely revolutionary politics is feminist in orientation
t. Nick Land

>>9126211
Yeah, I think he just wants to be witty and utterly fails at that. I've read "An open letter to open-minded progressives" and I can't stand his style.

On the other hand, while he might be misguided and jumping to conclusions, at least he is an independent thinker. I wish there were more people like him.

>To what extent can Houellebecq be considered a representative of European Nrx?

There is no 'European NRx' beyond palaeolibertarian reactionaries like Korwin. Most European reactionaries are palaeo-reactionaries. They are collectively known as 'The European New Right' and are both philosophically and phyletically distinct from NRx. These authors have value and are often insightful but are both different and often at odds with Techno-Commercialist NRx. Land's 'Fission' series provides indispensable clarification:

>http://www.xenosystems.net/fission/

>http://www.xenosystems.net/fission-ii/

As far as representatives of The European New Right go, French palaeo-reactionaries in general are profoundly representative (perhaps because of a deep --- even subconscious --- ethno-tradition of illiberal philosophy both reactionary and revolutionary).

Moreover, reactionaries outside of Francophone influence (such as Austrian economists, Alternative For Germany, and UKIP) are typically aligned more with NRx than with The European New

>>9124024

>neo-liberalism

Opinion discarded.

>>9124148

This is why Pinochet did nothing wrong.

>>9128794
I think an helicopter ride is in order.

>>9124216

>Lol. "NRx" as in Neoreaction? NRx is an American phenomenon (and I use that term generously) deriving from some autistic ex-libertarian's blog. What the fuck does Houellebecq have to do with Moldbug? These are people who think the government should be run like a corporation and lead by a CEO. They literally think a guy like Jeff Bezos would make a good king. They aren't even proper reactionaries. They're Austrian spergs disingenuously trying to rebrand and market their sycophancy towards big business as traditionalist in some way to give it a prestige that it wouldn't otherwise have.

This poster is right (although approaching contemporary reactionary intellectual topology from an opposing polarity): NRx is neocameralism. Period. Conflation of NRx with palaeo-reactionaries has been repetitiously problematical recently.

Basically:

Neoreactionaries: modernity is flawed because capitalism is too restricted.

Palaeoreactionaries: modernity is flawed because capitalism is not restricted enough.

This is our entire axis of meta-reactionary fission.

>>9124577

>The fringest right-wing movement they ever had is the New Right and it's anticapitalist as fuck, even using Marxist tools for analysis.

Francophone political philosophy --- beginning with The French Enlightenment and culminating in The French New Right --- has always been an antithesis of Anglophone political philosophy (which began with The Scottish Enlightenment and finds culmination in NRx) --- and has an explicit affiliation with authoritarianism and anticapitalism.

>>9124626

Or more accurately: many neoreactionaries are post-Marxists.

>>9128883
>People so new to political shitbloggers they don't remember when Nrx bloggers were all unironic Marxist accelerationists who wanted to bring around a Utopian Communist world by collapsing the establishment using right-wing politics

>>9128886

You obviously are misunderstanding Right-Wing Marxism:

> http://www.xenosystems.net/right-on-the-money-2/

>>9128886
Except this only describes land, all of the other people in his circle remained leftists.

>>9125286
y i k e s

>>9125286
what the. i mean holy by dadgum...

>>9124148
This is 4chan, bro. I think you might be lost.

>>9123868
Don't mean to get off topic, but speaking of NRx, is Moldbug's Gentle Intro worth getting in to?

>>9130183
This is /lit/, bro. I think you might be lost.

>>9130191
>>>/r/eddit

>>9130185
Yes

>>9123875
Why all the threads have as the first or second post a weak bait from a guy pretending to be a /pol/tard?

File: church lake.jpg (408KB, 2000x1434px) Image search: [Google]

408KB, 2000x1434px

>>9123868
He is in a way, IIRC he identifies as 'anti-liberal'. Whether that makes him a reactionary or not is anyone's guess, although by the tone of his books I think yes. I read a Guardian article about him where he identified modernism, atheism, materialism as 'less threatening than Islam' which can be taken either way (a lot of reactionary types would disagree). I'm inclined to agree with him on that, if only because I believe it is still possible for the West (or some within it) to recover from our current predicament as long as Islam is not a credible alternative.

>>9124252
American culture is anti-culture. The 'Western Values) our politicians claim to defend (tolerance, capitalism, multiculturalism etc.) are not values at all. They all boil down to inaction and apathy.

File: 4knsFnT.jpg (781KB, 3188x2125px) Image search: [Google]

781KB, 3188x2125px

>>9125286
I think people are confusing NRx (the Curtis Yarvin type which draws inspiration from people like Hoppe) with 'Reactionaries' aka anti-modernists who are not necessarily affiliated with the former.

File: anime sultan.png (330KB, 720x592px) Image search: [Google]

330KB, 720x592px

>>9124110
>Asia is doing fine and will do fine.
Asia is too diverse to be taken as a whole; places like Japan are not doing so well from a reactionary perspective (spiritually, for want of a better word) but so far have avoided suicidal mass migration as we see in Europe.

>>9124128
Islam would not be a threat if the west was not so hollowed out and at war with itself. Bashing Islam is anti-SJW levels of low hanging fruit. The Islamic world seems to be doing pretty well for itself, what with it colonising the nations that once ruled over it so perhaps we should take some lessons from them.

File: 100x100falloutav-ch.gif (4KB, 100x100px) Image search: [Google]

4KB, 100x100px

>>9131237
>The Islamic world seems to be doing pretty well for itself
Yeah, with its countless civil wars between shiites and sunnites and alevites and whatever other faction/denomination there is in Islam, the Islamic world seems to be really doing pretty fine for itself...

>>9124216
>What the fuck does Houellebecq have to do with Moldbug?
Wouldn't I love to watch a lecture with that title.

File: 1414234215054.png (54KB, 455x451px) Image search: [Google]

54KB, 455x451px

>>9132381
>countless civil wars between shiites and sunnites
The middle east is a mess, but you can be sure that Islam will exist in some form or another in 1000 years (assuming humans as we understand them exist that far ahead) but one cannot be so sure that ethnic Europeans (and the 'western civilisation' that is dependent on them) will last that long.

Europeans face an existential threat, Islam not so much.

File: Pope-Francis2.jpg (37KB, 940x545px) Image search: [Google]

37KB, 940x545px

>>9132714
European is an ethnicity, Islam is a religion. They're not the same thing.

If you're talking about Christianity and Islam, well, Christianity is a proselytizing faith, after all. It doesn't matter what skin color they are, so long as they believe rightly.

I think that's actually the secret reason Pope Francis doesn't have a problem with refugees. He's tired of all the atheists in Europe and wants to flood the continent with Muslims so he can lure them to Catholicism. He figures they'll be easier to convert.

>>9132714
>>9132724
You two ;)

>>9132714
>but you can be sure that Islam will exist in some form or another in 1000 years
i really doubt this considering it's not the middle ages anymore, shit moves fast

>>9132799
Humanity's not one thing. There will still be dumb tribes even after the rest of us go into techno ascendance.

File: russian horsemen.jpg (802KB, 2114x1400px) Image search: [Google]

802KB, 2114x1400px

>>9132724
>European is an ethnicity, Islam is a religion.
But from my perspective as a European I may as well take Islam as both a religion and an ethnicity because its adherents are almost universally of a different race to myself.

I'm not terribly interested in whether Europe remains Christian or becomes Islamic (or at least, it is not my primary concern at this point in time) from a religious perspective; rather, if Europe were to be Islamised it would be because ethnic Europeans will have been replaced by Muslims, who are all of a foreign ethnicity. The religion of Islam is just a proxy for a Afro-Arabian ethnic bloc in completion with the native Europeans.

>>9132799
Perhaps you are right, but we do not know what direction history will take. Perhaps there will be a nuclear war, a new plague, some other catastrophe which will retard technological progress for a time and facilitate a lapse back into religiosity. In my opinion if religion is to die out, the Islamic faith will be the last man standing.

>>9132724
>I think that's actually the secret reason Pope Francis doesn't have a problem with refugees. He's tired of all the atheists in Europe and wants to flood the continent with Muslims so he can lure them to Catholicism. He figures they'll be easier to convert.

Reminds me of the priest running towards the beaches in 'the Camp of the Saints'! I doubt the Pope is that naive however.

>>9132724
>meatcucks
>still around in 100 years, let alone 1000
lel

>>9124216
>As far as I can, Houellebecq is a disillusioned leftist who has become increasingly culturally conservative as he's grown pessimistic about the effects of certain left-wing politic trends, namely mass immigration and the sexual revolution. More than anything, he's a pessimist in the vein of Schopenhauer who sees life as fundamentally negative. In his own words, he doesn't identify as a conservative or reaction because he doesn't think you can go back. He sees himself as merely describing the effects of certain things. He doesn't have the hope that his novels will change anything nor does he think that's possible.
This is why he is truly /ourguy/.

>>9123952
The alt-right honestly strikes me as a "mainstreamed" Nouvelle Droite, partly because its breakthrough seems to be a Europe-based phenomenon (Islamic immigration was the spark more than anything else).

>>9130185
Definitely, it's the one that almost kicked this whole thing anyway. Careful, he's quite playful and some of his stuff may troll/misguide unsuspecting people.
I don't recommend reading Nick Land though, he's a bit too far off if you're looking for NRx stuff only.

>>9132724

Tell me about all the times Muslims were successfully converted lmao

Muslims are going to convert Europeans, not the other way around.

>>9135387
But Christianity is true and Islam is false.

>>9135405
Other way around.

>>9135405
Trick question, neither are true you plebs

File: so what im saying jared is that this will be the circumference of your anus if you disobey me.jpg (84KB, 1086x779px) Image search: [Google]

84KB, 1086x779px

>>9128839
>Basically:
>Neoreactionaries: modernity is flawed because capitalism is too restricted.
>Palaeoreactionaries: modernity is flawed because capitalism is not restricted enough.
>This is our entire axis of meta-reactionary fission.

I agree with this. What's interesting about this too is that this is the actual political component of Marxism that was lost in the shuffle when the US became a hyperpower, but has reappeared on the right (we're still talking about capitalism and history, after all). It's counter-Marxism but still Marxist; Marxism against itself, but stripped of the cultural theory that the left made its bones on. And with the added part that the truly revolutionary figures are already in power, they don't have to seize power or plan a coup. The election was the seizure, and the popular sentiment swept them in. Hence the desire to legitimize and implicate Russia.

Question: is House Trump not trying to mask that this division exists in order to preserve and maintain its momentum? The fact that it cannot go forwards and backwards at once except by reference to a fantasy that bringing jobs back will lead to traditional values, and vice versa? Bannon seems to have this idea of a dual crisis going on, one theological and one economic. I can see why he would be angling for a war; it's what Pope Urban II would have done as well.

One of the questions to ask is whether or not China is a good target in that sense. Mexico is comparatively low-hanging fruit, as is ISIS. It seems he may be on the fence about that.

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2017/02/21/the-trump-bannon-new-global-order-league-of-the-three-empires.html

Cheers for the boss thread anons. NRx threads are teh coolest.

>>9136901
*the left's desire to de-legitimize, that is.