Bad words

Don't use public transport?

>whom

they

>nuance

>>9120959
literally

whilst

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>>9120981
>via email

Really

Fascist

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>>9120959
>Tfw can no longer tell people "I'm coming" can still take myself seriously.

How the fuck could I have let this happen, bros?

>>9120959
had had

>>9121086
Too long on the internet and watching dirty shows.

>>9121094
I die every time I write this

Antidisestablishmentarianism

>>9121094
>It's a "that that" episode

Kill me now, brehs

Are our arbitrations almost done?

Any adverb.

>>9121094
>had had
You would have had to have said "have had," but good effort.

>>9121094
Why does this trigger people?

>>9121153
It just seems so cheap and plebian. It makes you feel like "there's no way someone like Dostoyevsky would use this shit in HIS writing".

>>9121150
>he had had a tooth pulled when he visited the dentist last week
>he have had a tooth pulled when he visited the dentist last week

Best, better, ought, should, genius, very, heart, dream, and others that I'm too drunk to enumerate

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Who is John Galt?

>>9121193
Hopefully English isn't your first language because he had to have a tooth pulled when he visited the dentist last week is obviously superior

>>9121148
But adverbs are great.

>>9121148
>bigly

>>9121193
Have had being used as a conditional phrase

>>9120959

Literally.

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>the

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>this thread

>>9120959

>Literally

Also, I like via colloquially...

>>9121010
whomst*

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>hitherto
>whither
>whence
>thence

>thus

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>>9121456

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>>9121456
>thusly

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>>9121453
pleb detected

>>9121023
"They" is much, much better than e, ey, hu, peh, per, thon, ve, xe, yo, ze or zhe.
>>9121197
Absolutely disgusting
>>9121253
When used the wrong way, yes

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>>9120959
Crap

>>9121187
well obviously since he didn't write in the piece of shit language that is english

>kudos

>>9120959
nice

>bloody

this isn't even a real swear England

>>9121068
came to post this

when someone uses this word i know they're full of shit

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>>9121094
>All the faith he had had had had no effect on him

>>9121193

>he had a tooth pulled when he visited the dentist last week

>>9122891

>All of his previous faith had no effect on him


this is easy why do people struggle with this?

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>>9121453
Also "thither".

>>9122914
>fundamentally changes the meaning of the sentence
>lol this is easy guys

>>9122925

the phrase "had had" has barely any coherent meaning to begin with

it conveys virtually no meaningful info and any info it does convey is extremely vague at best

pretty much the definition of filler and an awkward style of writing on top of that

>>9122948
lel, it's the verb to have in the pluperfect tense. It has a clear meaning and purpose.

>>9122948
>he had owned a car but his wife crashed it
>he had had a car but his wife crashed it

>>9122961

I mean just look at this sentence

>he had had a tooth pulled when he visited the dentist last week

what purpose is it really serving here?
at best it is simply enforcing the past tense but there is already the far more clear and descriptive "last week" within the very same sentence

>>9123004
I had had had a hard time with that expression when I was learning english, but it's easy now.

>>9122925
I mean you're technically right, but the necessity is implied-- why would you have a tooth pulled if you didn't need to?-- and no one really cares about omitting it anyway.

>>9123004
It indicates an ongoing action in the past. English's love of helper verb particle words and tendency to not use that many of them makes it wonky.

>>9123053

how can something that already happened in the past be ongoing?

this honestly makes no sense to me

>>9121472
I use thusly ironically

>>9123081
it's an action that was ongoing

>>9122914
>He'd had a tooth pulled when he visited the dentist last week.

>>9123081
That anon is confused, the pluperfect is to convey that an action in the past happened before another action in the past. The sentence with the tooth doesn't have that, it was a shit example. Consider:

>When he arrived at the hospital she had had the baby.

>>9123146
And so thusly you make yourself look like an ass

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>en route

>per se

>>9120959
>pet peeve

>>9120959
Give me a hug man

>>9121075
Literally is fine when used properly. The problem is people have started using it as a general purpose intensifier.

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>>9123470
Someone once said to me, "The Catholic Church literally crucified gay people."

I almost had a stroke

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>>9123317
it's literally ASS in finnish :DDDDDDDDDDDDD

>>9123004

it indicates the past perfect dumb dumb

what is the difference between i have written and i had written? that's the difference

>>9123022
congratulations! your comma placement is prime!

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>>9120959
>any adverb

>>9123516

to clarify, the biggest difference between "have" and "had" is that "have" typically implies that there is a relationship to the statement to the present, RIGHT NOW. "i've had my car towed so i can't go anywhere right now, sorry man."

whereas if you said "i'd had my car towed..." well, you'd say that if you were telling a story or something, but not if you were telling your best bro about how you can't go out to the quad beer dipping and apple chogging, because "had" indicates something was relevant in the past, and not the present.

>>9121445
>whomst'd've

>whilst
just say while you fucker

>>9123541
But it sounds smart!

>>9120959
phrases I hate:
in medieval times
in the old days
the ancient XYZ
during the ottoman occupation of vienna...
during the thirty years war...
during the crusades...

>>9123582
>ottoman occupation of vienna

Do you mean the Siege of Vienna?

>>9123587
woops, yea, that's what I meant. Somehow mixed it up with Latin oppugnatio...

>>9123022
>>9122961
>>9122979
>>9122925

autism

>>9121068
>>9122885
what is the issue with this word

>>9123610
nothing. they just want to see the world as simple. black and white. good and evil. us and them. no in between.

>>9123708
But most fo the times, there is no in betweens. People make things more difficult then it should be.

>>9120959
Kept.

problematic

>>9124709
That's a proper word, though.

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>I
Never write first person stories, there has never been a good one

Albeit.

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>>9121148
>very

>>9124904
>call him Ishmael

>>9124904
>Marianne suddendly said: "I can no longer take this"

fuck you.

>>9124990
>Marianne suddendly said that she could no longer take this
fuck me.

>>9123610
Nothing, ignore this thread.

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>>9124815
>tfw You can't use this word without sounding like a tumbrlite

>>9125060
Just say problemish

'context'

Thus

Necessarily

Quite.

Used by every Brit to sound smart ever

Time police nowhere near a beach tomorrow night but I have to do with me right now so we should smoke cigs you sleep well if you wanna come. I will seriously consider that as soon as I have no money for the most efficient material from any computer or even a hor to.

>>9125256
Okay situation to use it (in my opinion)
>Quite a while
and other related phrases

>>9121094
>had'd

>>9121094
killy self

>>9120959
utilize.

useless fucking word

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>>9122891

Betwixt

>>9125957
Wrong
>I triumphantly stood before them, for I knew they would never find the man they so fervently searched for, as it was betwixt my cheeks - Lenard Wayton

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>uncanny valley

>>9125695
do u mean utilizeless fucking work ;)

>>9120959
>fuck

>>9120959
Via works great in Dutch. In English it's cancer.

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>Dogma

>>9120959
Buffalo

like

>>9123386
When someone says this I think less of them for as long as they live

>>9121187
It's past perfect for "to have" you fucking idiot.

>>9121200
Those are implying different things
You're means his tooth being pulled out was imposed on him, whereas the you replied to just stated a fact: he had had to get his tooth pulled, which is just past perfect.

>>9126384
Shut up, jackass.

Hee-haw!

>soulsborne
That's not how contractions work you fucking faggot fuck you

>>9121456
This

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>said

almost all of these words are fine, word choice is very context-dependent

>>9125695
no it isn't, it doesn't mean "use"

>>9120959
the
useless word

>>9122979
no

>>9123541
Whilst is used in conversation every day in parts of the UK without any hint of pretentiousness.

>>9126731
Like fuck

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>>9126171
"Don't say fuck, it's a cunt of a word"
-My dad

>>9126734
It's true. It's so commonplace where I live that most people here would be surprised to learn it has snobby connotations elsewhere.

>>9122948
>>9123004
Holy shit you're such a fucking plebeian.

It's literally the expression of a finite action that happened in the past, it can't be replaced by any other verb tense.
It cannot be used for this example

He will work
He works
He worked
He has worked

What's the difference between the two past ones? The first (he worked) is a ponctual expression of the past which is ended as the subject formulates their sentence.
The second (he has worked) is also a ponctual expression of the past, but this one is also ended IN THE PAST, not when the subject formulates the sentence.
It can thus be compared to Ancient Greek :

ἐπαίδευον, I taught
ἐπεπαιδεύkειν I have taught

The first verb could be pronounced by anyone, the second sounds like a retired teacher.

>>9126921
He had worked*

I had taught*

>>9126921

this post reminds me why grammar is dumb and why nobody should be enthusiastic about it

>>9123539
>whommst'd'vely

>>9127269
whoamst'd'n't've'all

>>9123610
Pretentious leftists use it despite having no idea what it actually means.

>>9120959
There are no bad words, only bad use of words.

>>9126387
>You're

>>9122917
>thither

what the fuck

>>9126921
You've left out the past perfect out of the equation, which was the reason for that whole debate.

I can't see the word "rhetoric" without thinking of Donald Trump. Google search "rhetoric", you'll see a bunch of results about Trump's "dangerous"/"hateful" rhetoric.

Same with "demagogue". Why are these people so obsessed with these words?

>>9128103
Rhetoric as the original Greek, "rhema" simply meant "that which is spoken." It has been weighted with an implication of deception by history of its use as an appellation attached to "any kind of speech I don't like."

Demagogue, again from Greek, literally means "mob leader," so it has always had a negative implication.

As to why people are obsessed with them, I would ask, why are people so obsessed with politics?

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nigger

>>9126384
Your mom is about "to have" my dongus, you belly-aching crocodile.

>138 posts
>no Ergo

Official ESL thread

>in so far as

>>9128443
>insofar as

I remember once years ago I said 'would that it were' in conversation and immediately wanted to fucking kill myself. It just slipped out.

>>9128646
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kq7LM4rOcV4

Strange bedfellows, aye

>>9124984
Good post.

Every time I say Knee Grows I always get attacked by African American Gentlemen

thus
Perfunctory
Through
True
Three
Tree
Fore
Four
Ultimatum
Tyrophobia
Testicular
Capricious
Caulk

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>!?
>Not ?!

spake

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>>9122891
Oh my God this is grammatically correct

meme

>>9129646
You ain't seen nothing yet senpai
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_buffalo_Buffalo_buffalo_buffalo_buffalo_Buffalo_buffalo

>Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo.

>Don't let's start.

fucking shit

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>>9129629
>?!
>Not ‽

>hence

>>9121456
Ergo is 100x worse

Thus has its uses, though I try to avoid anyway

>latter

lapis lazuli

>>9126731
correction: in America. If an American says whilst they are just trying to sound intelligent

>>9129889
which is a shame because its such a nice word, which i guess is why its a popular lazy/hack choice

>>9124904
Dante?

>>9126731
that's like the frequent use of ' I've ' for ' I have ' that is common in parts of England but sounds wanky in other parts of the world.

I don't mean 'I've been to shops' obviously, but 'I've a cake waiting for me at home'. Someone who knows more about grammar help me out on the difference. They mean different things but I don't know the term for it. One's a verb one's a possessive?

"whilst"

If you're not British and you say this go fuck yourself. If you are British, I guess you've got bigger problems to worry about.

>kafkaesque
>ironically
>problematic

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>unintelligence

>>9125256
I can't stop myself from saying "interesting", and it makes me look like I'm trying too hard to be a pretentious douche.

Somebody end my misery.

>>9130125
everytime you want to say "interesting" say "cool" instead
guaranteed to make you look human, and 200% less of an asshole
learn how to speak the dialect

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I like using a lot of these words...

>>9129948
I consider myself pretty Kafkaesque. For example, I'll unironically say ironically. Is this problematic for you, or no?

>technically
>welps
>yeehaw
>chronic
>facilitate (when used by brainlets)
>thanks
>according to
>actually..

biggest pet peeve word from los angeles resident:
>"""""detox"""""

>omg this pomegranate juice just like "cleanses" ur system !!! ya omg watermelon juice totes detoxifies like all ur body.. its so good

>don't forget the bee pollen and the maca acai goji powder. its so healing bb

>>9130230
>technically
don't hate it for being abused, it's not the word's fault
>w[h]elps
can't understand what's wrong with this one, has a very strong atmosphere to it
>yeehaw
written this is cancer, but spoken it's fine. Same with most grunts.
>chronic
good as a medical term
>facilitate
the only word on this list that is unacceptable 100% of the time
>thanks
did nothing wrong
>according to
so we should never reference other authors again?
>actually..
>I hate when people disagree with me

>capitalism
>the
>ubermensch


>nietzche, freud, marx, myers briggs, healing crystals
>presh

>indigo child
>third eye
>schopenhauer
>david foster wallace
>dank
>coolio
>fo shizzle

>>9121075
This This This This This This This This This This This This This This This This This This This This This This This This This

>>9123470
To be honest, there are very few circumstances in writing when 'literally' even needs to be used. In 99.99% of situations, it should be clear through tone or common sense whether you are talking literally or not.

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>>9120959
>dived instead of dove

>>9121094
>swā swā

>>9122891

My sides

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>>9123505

>English class
>it's the "read a sentence from the textbook out loud"-part
>"per se"
>putting special effort into the pronunciation just makes everyone laugh harder

>>9129924
There both verbs, but in the first example have is used as an auxiliary verb in the perfect tense, in the second have is the main verb in the present tense.

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>>9131098
I mean They're

>>9126526

Yes it does, whatever the dictionaries say look at its usage. From the beginning it's meant nothing but "use". Utiliser and utilizzare both mean simply "use".

There's nothing wrong with synonyms but this one is very stupid since it is formed from the same root as the word it synonymizes.

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>therefore

>>9129565
Perfunctory really is an ugly word

>sagacious

Just say 'shrewd' for crying out loud.

>>9132106
lugubrious

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Nep

>>9121472
lol

>>9123498
the catholic church did worse thing than Crucifixion to gay peoples anon

>>9127668

Guys please stop I can't tell what's real anymore

>>9124055
>Then it should be
>I fell for this bait

>>9132106
How else will you know they're smart?

>>9129565
you don't exclaim "Fortuna thou capricious harlot!" every time bad luck comes your way? for shame.

>>9129646
>>9129703
>>9122891
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_while_John_had_had_had_had_had_had_had_had_had_had_had_a_better_effect_on_the_teacher

>>9122917
james joyce?

>She was alone and still, gazing out to sea; and when she felt his presence and the worship of his eyes her eyes turned to him in quiet sufferance of his gaze, without shame or wantonness. Long, long she suffered his gaze and then quietly withdrew her eyes from his and bent them towards the stream, gently stirring the water with her foot hither and thither. The first faint noise of gently moving water broke the silence, low and faint and whispering, faint as the bells of sleep; hither and thither, hither and thither: and a faint flame trembled on her cheek.

>alas

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good fucking lord if i hear another queasy milk-eyed undergraduate use the phrase existential crisis for a vaguely sad character i'll blind myself with my blood-stained cock.

some of my favourite words:
>cock/cunt
>bastard
>taciturn
>decorous
>tremble/trembled/trembling
>coursing (of blood)
>dewfall/starfall
>pallid
>wheeling (the wheeling heavens...)
>lithe
>shimmer/ing
>the deep (of the ocean: the spirit glided over the surface of the deep)
>azure
>weep/ing
>heav/e/ing
>lilting
>suppliant
>pity/piteous/pitiable

>>9133066
also people should experiment with portmanteaus more often here, but tastefully. some mccarthy, joyce, and d thomas ones below:
>heaventree
>nightblue
>starsprent
>dewladen
>fishfull

>>9133080
One i recently came up with while writing and was surprisingly satisfied with:
>rotblotched

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>y'all

>>9124904
araby you dip

>>9132233
whomst'd've'nt'inglyness

>>9121453
>whithenceto