Advice on languages.

Everything is translated into English

Latin
French
Russian
German
Japanese

>>9064062
True. But a lot is left out when translated.

>>9064037
german or french

French, Spanish, Russian, German

Dead languages if you're autistic.

>>9064037
French
German
Italian
Latin
Greek
Spanish
>>9064062
Russian is a meme. Don't learn Russian.

>>9064098
>Italian
>Russian is a meme
Why give advice if you're mentally deficient?

I think I'll do Latin. No, I'm not autistic, I'm a medical student, and understanding all of that Latin terminology would definitely make things easier.

Can fluency in Latin make learning the romance languages easier?

>>9064101
Russian lit only has a few novelists/short story writers, which are translated. Italian has Dante.

>I speak Urdu
POO

>>9064037
Are there any good books in Urdu? My dad speaks it.

>>9064108
Dante is also translated. Your point, dumbass?

>>9064111
I think it's Sanskrit you're thinking of. Urdu is arabized poo

>>9064108
>Why give advice if you're mentally deficient?

>>9064116
Dante is one of the greatest poets of all time.

Russian is a lot of work to just read a few meme novels.
>>9064117
Urdu is spoken in Pakistan and is linguistically identical to Hindi

>>9064121
Pushkin is one of the greatest poets of all time.
Your point, dumbass?

>>9064126
Puskin is not in any way on the same level as Dante.

>>9064114
I haven't read much of Urdu literature, but it's a recent language, so the literature isn't developed.

The contemporary novels I've read are absolute crap. There's some seriously good philosophical work and poetry from poets like Iqbal, ghalib, but its difficult stuff even for native speakers, and it requires passable fluency in Farsi and Arabic.

>>9064121
>a few meme novels
I'm 14 and read Tolstoyevsky the Post.

>>9064129
How do you know that. Because he didn't write pretentious bible fanfiction like Dante?

>>9064037
Unironically, Japanese.
However you feel about Japanese prose (I personally enjoy it) being able to read haiku is amazing on its own. Haiku just can't be translated properly.

>>9064121
Yeah that's what I meant. It's poo with an Arab gloss.

>>9064135
>Dante
>pretentious bible fanfiction
butthurt slav detected

>>9064137
WEEEEEEB

>>9064137
Weeb go away

>>9064134
Russian literature:
>Gogol
>Tolstoy
>Dosto
>Chekhov
>Turgenev
Aside from the poets, you can read all of these in translation and lose nothing.

Should you be more worried about not getting blown by some allahakbar?

>>9064147
Italian literature:
>Dante
>Umberto Eahahahahahaha

>>9064149
Nah, I live in a pretty safe area. Relatively secular too.

>>9064153
>Dante
>Guido Cavalcanti
Both are some of the greatest poets of all time and both cannot be translated.

>>9064147
As a Russian, this is bullshit. Dostoevsky, for example is another experience in the original.

OT: It depends on what you're looking for. Theology? Philosophy?

>>9064161
Italian is basically latin for uneducated peasants, sure they can

Is non European language any good from a literary point of view?

>>9064168
Chinese
Japanese
Persian
Arabic

>>9064147
>missing about a dozen of great authors
>dismissing one of the greatest poetry traditions
>implying you have a working knowledge of Russian language to assess the quality of translations
Fug off, Dantefag. Russian is much harder than Italian to learn - that's the only valid point. Arguing that Dante+Calvino+Umberto Meme is somehow a more impressive body of works than Russian or Spanish is a sign of terminal autism.

>>9064177
>Russian poetry
>great tradition
Dante and Cavalcanti are among the greatest of all time, and Boccaccio is great too. Russian should be learned last, their tradition has only existed for 200 years and their novels are overrated

>>9064190
>tfw no Portuguese
Camoes, pessoa. And many others... Portuguese is a rich language

>>9064190
>produced more great poets and authors in 200 years than Italy has in a millennium
Good point.

>>9064206
Quality > quantity

>>9064206
Damn that guy really played himself didn't he

>>9064190
>Pushkin and Lermontov are among the greatest of all time, and Yesenin is great too. Italian should e learned last, their tradition died 600 years ago and their novels are overrated

>>9064217
oh come on, Dante is great but I liked the overcoat much more than the divine comedy

>>9064220
>Pushkin
>Lermontov
>greatest of all time
Classic example of sort-of decent authors being overrated because they wrote in a shit-tier language
>>9064227
You read it in translation, cuck

>>9064229
>Classic example of shit-tier pleb dismissing the greatest because he can't into their language.

Stop turning op's post into a Russia Vs Italy shitfest you idiots.

I recommend Hebrew because speaking it might save you from our jewlord wrath

>>9064037
It's very hard to choose a language. You might as well go with several. If you want to learn Latin, then go for it. Just don't stop there. Learn French, German, Russian, Italian, Spanish or even Ancient Greek if you are up for the challenge.

If you go for Latin then I advice you to become fluent in it and go through a lot of literature. There's no point in learning some grammar and vocabulary only to read Familia Romana. Also good way to get started with romance languages if you only speak Urdu and English.

>>9064037

http://foreignlanguageexpertise.com/polyliteracy.html

read dat, german french living

greek latin dead

DOYYYYYYYYYYY

but also learn like persian too, don't limit yourself only to western languages.

>>9064430
I don't think I have enough memory to know that many languages

>>9064037
German
Russian
Latin/Italian
French
Spanish

>>9064481
you don't really run out of memory senpai

>>9064501
I don't think I have enough time to practice that many languages to be able to retain them

>>9065220
Well, realistically speaking, learning all those languages and becoming fluent in them looks like a 15-20 year project. Oh well, better late than never.

Does anyone here actually know Ancient Greek? How did you learn it?

>>9066745
learning languages isnt hard

1) be interested
1a) understand that there are people that enjoy learning languages; understand that is possible and attempt to enjoy the process
2) do it every day
3) do it for months
4) review what you learn

just put a lot of hours in with the language and you will inevitably make progress. i always try and give advice in these threads to people who think learning multiple languages is some insane task when its not, and you can indeed get good grounding in a language in a matter of months, but no one ever listens to me, so i've kept this post brief.

do a lot of reading in the language, do it every day, spaced out throughout the day if possible. review is the most important part of language learning, etc. the most important part is putting in the time, you can't avoid it. sit down, focus and study 1hour+ every day or stare at your wall, and it is impossible for you to not make progress.

>>9066805
What books/resources did you use to learn Greek?

>>9066815
there are many great textbooks for ancient greek.

teach yourself is a good series as a whole and their greek (as well as ancient languages as a whole) book is very superb.

then you have stuff like athenaze, but i think you'd be much more successful if you put traditional grammar study on halt and took a look at something like this: https://www.amazon.com/Learning-Greek-Plato-Beginners-Classical/dp/1904675565/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1486350532&sr=8-1&keywords=learning+greek+with+plato

the important part is is that you have interesting input, and systematic grammar study for the beginner can be off-putting. try doing reading + some grammar study on the side, to supplement your reading (mastronarde's introduction to attic greek is good for a systematic grammar).

there are also bilingual books published by loebe which are just what they sound like. they have the greek on the left side of the page and a literal translation on the right side of the page. they also have these for latin, etc.

if all else fails, you can do dictionary work. what i mean by this is, printing out some text in greek, using a dictionary (online preferably) and whenever you come across a word you don't know, right it above/below the word on the paper and read these newly inter-linear texts multiple times, and by doing this you will learn all of the words in these new texts.

but, again, the most important part is that your method interests you. there are a wealth of resources available for ancient greek, so avail yourself of them.

enjoy learning, study every day, review everything that you did the days prior after/before your study, and do this EVERY day.

resources mentioned above are

https://www.amazon.com/Learning-Greek-Plato-Beginners-Classical/dp/1904675565/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1486350532&sr=8-1&keywords=learning+greek+with+plato

https://www.amazon.com/Ancient-Greek-Teach-Yourself-Publishing/dp/0844237868/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1486350911&sr=1-1&keywords=Teach+Yourself+Ancient+Greek

https://www.amazon.com/Introduction-Attic-Greek-Donald-Mastronarde/dp/0520078446/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1486351026&sr=1-2&keywords=mastronarde+greek

example loeb parallel/bilingual text https://www.amazon.com/Plutarch-Questions-Parallel-Stories-Classical/dp/0674993365/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1486351042&sr=1-1&keywords=loeb+greek+parallel

Either Chinese/Japanese because they're the only non-European languages with a significant literary history (aside from perhaps India and Arabic), and their vast historical and linguistic differences make them largely untranslatable.

Or, if you're simply seeking to read the greatest literary works in their original tongue, French > German > Russian. French has the benefit of segueing quite well into Spanish and Italian.

>>9067564
*the languages of India, of which there are too many

>>9066815
i used hansen & quinn, and JACT 2nd edition

learn latin first

>>9067567
>learn latin first
this is a pretty typical advice but unnecessary if your interest is only in Greek and not Latin

>>9066719
No, it doesn't take this much. Check>>9066805 and >>9066850 answer. Of course, you don't have learn that many. From my experience, if you put the hours in it and do it every day and working only on what interests you, one year is enough for one language, give or take a couple of months.

>>9064106
absolutely, but that's the hard way of doing things. it's always easier to go from more recent to more ancient forms of a language.

>>9064166
>english speaker

I bet it's your first language

>>9067566
And of which only a few matter.

>>9064037
>What is the best language to learn from a literary point of view?
We should really ban this question desu