Is there any good /lit/ written in defence/support of fascism?

>>9023102
Nope.
Now fuck off.

>>9023102
Giovanni of course. Evola doesn't support it perse but he's pretty close.

>>9023102
W. B. Yeats.

>>9023118
Who said I was a Marxist?

>>9023118
Yeah, yeah, yeah, how about you give some examples of great fascist literature, instead of spewing same bullshit every time somebody disagrees with you lovely autistic bunch?

Morning Crafts

>>9023118
> I'm not a fascist but...

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>>9023102

>>9023102
For my legionaries : Codreaunu

>>9023118
All the best fascists were ex-Marxists who created explicitly anti-Marxist ideologies.

>>9023102
Read mosley and de rivera

>>9023102
George lincoln rockwell. For easy start you can even read his children stories (yes, he wrote children stories).

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>>9023118
>I'm not fascist but ;^)

>>9023102
Read Mussolini's articles, speeches and diaries. Pretty good style of writing and arguing

>>9023475
seriously embarassing

>>9023475
>no, you see, mussolini was a socialist!
>no, you see, it's called "national SOCIALISM"

Read a fucking book. Both fascism and nazism were brutal on unions and workers
>inb4 "unions were corrupt"
>inb4 workers' rights in the 20s were fine and dandy and no sort of opposition was needed

>>9023478

You're not very good with logic, are you?

p: fascism right-wing
q: fascism left-wing
r:fascism brutal on unions
s: fascism brutal on workers

!q: fascism not left-wing

You state that r^s <=> !q and that !q <=> p, neither of which are necessarily true. Further, s is actually false, voiding your entire argument. Please try again.

>>9023118

> I'm not a fascist but I display all the signs of being a fascist without the consequence of bearing the label

There are reasons besides Marxism to dislike fascism, friend. There's a whole spectrum of political systems that are not fascism.

>>9023102
mein diary desu

>>9023475
>>9023478
>>9023494
>>9023498
>>9023506
shut the fuck up

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>>9023510

q: not an argument.

q can be shown to be true for this post.

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>>9023513

>>9023118
>spilling your spooks and destruction of western spooks

>>9023120
This and a lot of his contemporaries: Ezra Pound is obvious, but also arguably T S Eliot.
>>9023105
Get fucked. This is the dawn of the new fascist age and it is time the rest of 4chan accepted it.

>>9023102
Le chin man

>>9023146
>t. Idiot

>>9023574
>chinlet?

>>9023583

That doesn't look like an argument. Perhaps you could try to make one next time?

>>9023588
>DAE Platoh. Machaveli. Aristote, Hegel were all epic fascists

t. Prussian Army LARPer

>>9023600

Well, maybe try reading them?

>>9023602
Because YOU have...

>>9023602
damn you're so stupid

>>9023605

>no u

Start with the Republic, then move on to the Politics and the Prince, and finish up with the Phenomenology of Spirit. Or provide some arguments against the hypothesis that the central arguments of all of those works are proto-fascist. And stop samefagging while you're at it.

>>9023146
Is Hegel Fascist? I thought he was an egalitarian?

>>9023624
Hegel tried to finish German idealism

>>9023624
Don't worry this guy is just a total idiot, and Hegel was a jacobin

>>9023628
yeah, except that the finisher of German idealism is Croce

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>>9023567
>mfw not a fascist yet but getting into Pound, Yeats and Eliot
this is gonna be fun

>>9023478
National Socialism displayed both left and right wing tendencies. It incorporated some Fascist elements like nationalism and ethnocentrism and socialist elements like the abolishment of the class system. It's quite similar to the type of society replicated in Plato's republic which makes sense seeing as The Idealism present in Germany the few centuries before WW2 was heavily influenced by Platonism.

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>>9023475
Calm down, Jonah Shillburg.

>>9023637
This makes sense with what little I know about Hegel. I thought the whole point of the analysis of the master-slave relationship was to show its development and eventual eradication through history.

>>9023102
We might see the rise of a new Mussolini in our lifetime. My Italian friend says there's a lot of nostalgia for the past in Italy at the moment. With their plummeting birth rates something's got to give soon. Are you excited?

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INVOLUNTARY EGOISTS GO BACK TO /POL/

>>9023660
>like the abolishment of the class system

The class system was not abolished, on the contrary it got way more authoritarian and hierarchical, unions were destroyed and workers rights were disparaged as usual, even more during the war.
I don't see how you could think that Fascism benefits in any sensible way the common worker. It may appeal to his gut through populism, but none of the solutions proposed by the Italian and German parties were feasible in the long run.

>>9023725

>The class system was not abolished

But attempts were made, and it was the long-term goal. The nazis were very derisive of the aristocracy and wanted to eliminate their role in society, and they partly succeeded with that.

>workers rights were disparaged

Only from your narrow Marxist definition of worker's rights.

>I don't see how you could think that Fascism benefits in any sensible way the common worker

Besides providing good employment to a very large number of workers, and glorifying the common man?

>but none of the solutions proposed by the Italian and German parties were feasible in the long run.

That's just like, your opinion.


I hate fascism and nazism, but I hate ignorant retards like you even more.

>>9023669
Jonah Goldberg came to visit my college to speak to the college Republicans but I snuck in.

At the end of his speech we got to go up to him personally and ask him some questions. I waited until the question asking was mostly over and the room had thinned out before approaching. I asked him whether he preferred to live in the ideal state of Alexander Hamilton or the ideal state of Thomas Jefferson and he chose Hamilton. I expressed a confusion to him about this choice and he stated that if he could choose any ideal state of any of the founding father it would be James Madison who I pointed out to him was still a federalist. And he gave me some line about how he isn't really that against the use of state power but that the resurgence of populist antigovernment conservatism in the modern Republican Party was the biggest groundswell the party had ever seen.

I then said to him this phrase, "I guess you've gotta ride the wave, huh? But what happens when you can't ride it any more." he looked pretty shook after that and stopped talking with me.

I guess we know what happens now. I know he remembers our conversation because I've heard him use the exact phrasing on a CNN panel to pretend that he foresaw the current party predicament.

>>9023725
I'm not sayin it didn't get more hierarchical or actuallybenefited the workers. All I'm saying is the ethos was heavily collectivist and many of the policies reflected that whether they worked or not. You could say exactly the same thing about Stalist Russia.

>>9023836

This is a 100% legitimate tale that totally happened.

what the fuck is even the differences between marxism and fascism. seems like the only difference is that fascism is racist while marxism is not. they're both oppressive, totalitarian shit idelogies

>>9023866
One political science book claimed the one assimilates outgroups while the other excludes them
It is a kind of horse shoe theory using evolutionary theory

Time will tell the validity of it, other political science books such as "predisposed" and "the righteous mind" claim slightly different things. Which confuses me.

The book I am talking of is "Our political nature"

>>9023165
>/lit/ guide to right-wing literature
>Principles of Conservative Judaism

>>9023863
I understand that it's hard to believe.

He'd certainly claim it didn't happen if you outright ask him. But it happened in late 2013 early 2014. You can probably look up the event. It was at Fordham University.

>>9023899

Your tale is only somewhat more believable than the atheist professor pasta.

>>9023863
Here's a link to the event.

https://orgsync.com/39695/events/670700/occurrences/1302055

>>9023909

Well now that fully corroborates your likely tale

>>9023165
>not posting Spengler

>>9023621
You are a cretin, honestly. Ascribing 20th century ideology which cannot even be applied to Machiavelli, let alone Plato and Aristotle, is incredibly stupid. Not only because fascism isn't a coherent idea, but because you don't understand the difference between a state and a community.
The best cure for your retardation would probably be Whose Justice Which Rationally and After Virtue by Alasdair MacIntyre.

>>9023478
>>9023494
ABSOLUTELY BTFO

>>9023891
something something know thy enemy

>>9023923
*This is why the Stalinist regime was so fucking suicidal, where all the high ranking officials were killing each other off. Whereas most attacks on the Nazi party came from outside of the inner circle.

>>9023904
I think it's a lot more believable. This is basically just me complaining about something that was pretty fucking easy to see.

Since 2008 the Republicans have riling up this base for no goddamned reason. It's not like that base is ever going to vote any way other than Republican. You could easily have said the same thing once the Tea Party movements happend.

I went to another event there about gun control. The speaker was extremely pro gun control and I talked to him after and just said to him "look, you're never going to pass any of this stuff because guns are too cool." he completely failed to understand and said something about the cost of human life and I had to spell it out for him. "people don't care about abstract human death. They like guns because they're cool, because they make those people feel powerful. It's never going to happen. The best you can realistically do is probably universal background checks."
And we went back and forth for a while with him offering me all these alternatives like storing guns on ranges but I don't think I ever got through to him.

Anyway. I would do this a lot with speakers that came to my school. I did it with teachers too. It was a lot of fun and I probably wouldn't have gotten away with it if I didn't have a natural charisma.

>>9023943
How did they manage to take the guns away in England and France then? After a few mass shootings it was easy to convince people it was the right thing to do. It's much more likely the reason gun control won't happen in America is its written in the constitution.

>>9023976
This may be hard for you to comprehend but I'm not in a position to dictate gun policy to any country and have my changes implemented.

>>9023976
400 years of having and 300 years of actually needing guns tends to leave its mark on the culture and the people you know. The constitution was written with this in mind, it isn't the cause but the effect.

>>9023118
> I'm not a fascist but ... degeneracy and destruction of western civilisation
lmfao

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>>9023118
>>9024014

>>9023943
>people don't care about abstract human death. They like guns because they're cool, because they make those people feel powerful. It's never going to happen. The best you can realistically do is probably universal background checks.

Actually pretty true. The autistic repeating of "shall not be infringed" is probably the most annoying part of /k/.

>>9023924
He's in there, look closer

>>9023118

>what a cuck

>>9023602
>>9023621
Agreed
>>9023931
>you don't understand the difference between a state and a community.
But Machiavelli, Plato and Aristotle explicitely apply their ideas to a state...
And please stop namecalling it doesn't add anything to your point really
>>9023699
I'm Italian and the new Mussolini is yet to be born
>a lot of nostalgia
There's always been, personally I haven't seen a noticible increase
>>9023923
>>9023941
>This is why the Stalinist regime was so fucking suicidal, where all the high ranking officials were killing each other off. Whereas most attacks on the Nazi party came from outside of the inner circle.
Really good point to be honest

>>9023836
>((((Goldberg))))
>supports big federal government and a crook like Hamilton
Why is /pol/ always right?

>>9024144
*explicitly
*noticeable

>>9024147
>t. /pol/

>>9023831
>But attempts were made, and it was the long-term goal. The nazis were very derisive of the aristocracy and wanted to eliminate their role in society, and they partly succeeded with that.

Yes they opposed the irrelevant aristocracy at that point but they still didn't eliminate or even oppose the capitalists, you stupid fuck.

>Only from your narrow Marxist definition of worker's rights.

kek

>glorifying the common man

It's meaningless to glorify the common man when capitalists still exploit workers you dumb liberal cunt.

>That's just like, your opinion.

Yeah, you're a fucking moron. Neck yourself.

Alfredo Rocco

http://fascism-archive.org/books/PoliticalDoctrinesRocco.html

>>9023102
Carl Schmitt
Dugin

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Fascism is still too populist. Go full reactionary.

>>9023866
>fascism is racist
false. nazism is racist, but not fascism.

>>9023831

>But attempts were made, and it was the long-term goal. The nazis were very derisive of the aristocracy and wanted to eliminate their role in society, and they partly succeeded with that.

in what istances have they succedeed? The Nazi society got more hierarchical in time, culminating in the extreme hierarchical structure that it held at the end of the war (where everyone was just a cog in a giant machine and every citizen was expendable).


>Only from your narrow Marxist definition of worker's rights.
Do you realize that you're talking about workers' rights at the beginning od the century? The conditions were terrible even for our standards of decency, they were closer to modern sweatshops than modern Western factories.
And both the Nazis and the Fascist violently thought to mantain that, and then make it even worse.

>Besides providing good employment to a very large number of workers, and glorifying the common man?

It was blind public spending. The Nazi didn't go to war cause of phillsophical reasons, they actually needed to go to war to escape from the most crushing crisis of the century.
Aslo we already know that public spending was a tactic to rile the population up for war.

>That's just like, your opinion.
I'd say that that's what actually happened in the, you know, real world.

>I hate fascism and nazism, but I hate ignorant retards like you even more.
Sure thing, sweetie.

>>9024821 who else would you suggest

>>9023165
Isn't Storm of Steel a memoir?

>>9023102
If I'm right wing do I have to be conservative?

How can anyone honestly support fascism, or try to defend it after claiming they understand it, and think they are an intelligent person at the same time?

>>9026963

I ask myself the same question about those who honestly support Marxism and all its variants.

>>9026963
people who hate other people for being different.
>>9026972
lazy people tend to be nicer on the whole.

>>9023102
>good
>facism

So yall just tryna be contrarian for the sake of it or what

>>9026981

>2017
>Not being contrarian

Keep defending the status quo, chump. It's always easier to be on the attack.

Is there any literature speaking and teaching the corporatist economic model?
Wanting to look into it and not have it confused with corporatocracy.

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>>9023102
Ride the Tiger by Evola

>>9023102
the way of men, anything in relation to biological evolutionary science (r/K selection), most ancient philosophers are a good entry point towards critical thinking, with the fallacies and ways of arguing that they present. History of rome, of russia and its problems with jews.

Directly in defense of fascism there probably arent too many, but there are LOADS of secondary and tertiary sources to support fascism. Simply on the virtue on all the other ways of thinking being garbage lol.

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>>9026963

I don't think I am an intelligent person.

>>9023473
this

>>9027029
>posting this shit on /lit/
Kys

>>9027067

Neechee, Cioran, and Heidegger aren't /lit/ ?

>>9026958
Not necessarily, you can be right-leaning economically but liberal as far as social issues are concerned

>>9024144
The "state" of Plato and Aristotle and largely Machiavelli has nothing to do with the modern state. I know you polfags are dumb and read ancient texts like they were written 50 years ago to apply to your ideology, but that's not how they should be understood.
Polis is not a state, polis is not even an organisation with a strict administration and the modern state to them is as alien to them as a polis is to you.
The polis is a community, not a webberian centralised administration.

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Rebatet was pretty great desu. Though I highly doubt he's been translated in English.

His two main novels are

>Les décombres : mémoires d'un fasciste (The rubble : memories of a fascist)
>Les deux étendards (The two banners)

Check him out, he's worth it. A truly fantastic writer, regardless of his political opinions

history books would be best probably

>>9027193
>Polis is not a state
>polis is not even an organisation with a strict administration
Umm except that's what it literally is?
A sovereign territory administred by a group of individuals, relying on a constitution... need I go on?
It may be hard for you to understand but in the last 2500 years, despite globalization, industrial revolutions and everything else, the way humans interact on a personal, daily basis didn't change that much.
That's why "ancient texts" are often still applicable as far as sociology goes, and that's why there's so many instances of ancient ideology that survived to this day.
The very concept of democracy and other forms of government, at its core, didn't change over the centuries.
And what are you gonna say about Machiavelli, how can you argue his precepts don't apply to a state in your "modern" conception of the term?

>>9023567
Add "The Art of Being Ruled" by Wyndham Lewis to Pound and Elliot. Its kind of an incoherent rant by an artist with little formal knowledge of politics, but its interesting

>>9027202
>history books
>unbiased

>>9023146
>Machiavelli
>fascist
You could put him anywhere, fuck.

>>9024037

It may be autistic to you, but I assure you that to many it is viewed as the fundamental principle of freedom, of individual and manly agency. There is nothing quite like knowing that your life belongs to you, and if it belongs to anyone else, it is by your own free choice. The gun may not be enough to safeguard this, but it represents the fundamental principle of self-reliance.

>>9025546

Do you not realize, that

>(where everyone was just a cog in a giant machine and every citizen was expendable).

answers

>in what istances have they succedeed?

>And both the Nazis and the Fascist violently thought to mantain that, and then make it even worse.

>they actually needed to go to war to escape from the most crushing crisis of the century

You're kidding, right? No-one is this historically ignorant.


>I'd say that that's what actually happened in the, you know, real world.

No, you dimwit. Italian fascism was quite successful up and until the war, Spanish falangism was very successful, and there is no particular evidence suggesting that Nazism would be more or less successful had they not entered the war (and had they won, they would obviously have experienced a lot of economic success).

>>9027016

Just study the economy of Sweden desu

>>9027193

lmfao polis literally means city-state, you moron.

>>9023102
Knut Hamsun's Growth of the Soil is written in support of basic patriarchal society (kind of pro-choice though).
That and Pan are two of my favourite books.

>>9023118

>anyone who doesn't like fascism is automatically a marxist
>but I'm totally not a facist, I promise

noose yourself

Wikipedia says Carlyle was protofascist.

>Political philosophy that failed both as a war engine and economic engine
>Good /lit/ written in defense/support of fascism

It's like trying to find good /lit/ written in favor of communism. It's hard to write a good book around a meme idea.

>>9027043
Holy shit lmao you guys are amazing

>>9023704
>marxists are more fascists than fascists
please go back to your containment board

>>9023704
Does this mean fascists are more marxist than marxists?

I must learn from the wisdom of /pol/

>>9028847

I wish we could go back to the days when conservatives weren't obsessed with muh free market

>>9023118
Eh, the most recurring meme this last forever has been Evola.

I'm sure we get more il/lit/erates as the Trumpsaster grows, and irregardless of whether they're the Orwell or KKK kind, any thread that starts with "Please provide me with validation for X" deserves to be told to fuck off.

>>9023494
>takes Intro to Logic once

>>9028893

m8 the courses are called Discrete Mathematics or The Domain Specific Languages of Mathematics when you're a stemfag. I know it's autistic af, but it clearly shewed why his arguments were flawed. Also of course it could be somewhat simplified.

>>9028906
But here is the thing. Showing why he is wrong, to your satisfaction, is like jerking off thinking about someone you are attracted to. It gets you nowhere, and doing it in public is rather embarrassing.

>>9028924

But he's the one getting embarrassed, and next time anyone who has seen him get embarrassed sees a similar argument, they will remember it and maybe perhaps even call it out.

>>9028864

We can't.
Because conservatives hail grandpa's time and anything beyond grandpa is some sort of mythic past that must have been like grandpa's time.
That's why you get ancap retards saying shit like deus vult.

At this rate conservatives are just the brake on progress.
I suspect in 50 years time you'll have conservatives defending gay marriage as a sacred institution.

>>9024014
to be honest the frankfurters were saying the exact same things with a marxist analysis.

>>9027897
>You're kidding, right? No-one is this historically ignorant.
>No, you dimwit. Italian fascism was quite successful up and until the war

I'm Italian and I've listened stories about the Fascist era for my entire life by people who were actually there.
You clearly don't know what it meant to be a worker in a factory in the '20s. You don't even know how bad it was still in the '60s, at least here in Italy.
You're just spouting propaganda, while mistaking it for common sense, but the truth is that you know literally nothing about how citizens used to live in those years, and how insufficient were the rights granted to workers.
Keep believing in some sort of ''age of gold'' in Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy, even if strikers were shut down with extreme violence and safety in any sort of factory was sweatshop-tier

>and there is no particular evidence suggesting that Nazism would be more or less successful had they not entered the war
Ok, you clearly don't know what you're talking about. Either you'er just ignorant or you're actively spouting Nazi propaganda.

>Do you not realize, that X answers
You're point was that both Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy worked to abolish classes. You were arguing for that and it is honestly a laughable statement.

>>9027210
In what istances, in your opinion, Fascism came close to the Platonic ideal state?
Because when I look at the history of Fascism I see very few philosophers and lots of violent grunts who believed in ''might is right'', while spouting objectively wrong facts to rile the population up.
If anything Plato would have criticized it harshly.

>>9030068
You've never read Plato, you fucking mong. Plato advocates lying to under classes to make them docile, and thinks art should have to be state approved so people don't emulate villianous characters. Also literally advocates for eugenics.

>"Herr derr philosophers are automatically liberal and open minded like me!"

Top kek

>>9030111
I'm not saying that Plato is not arguing for elitism, I'm saying that the Platonic elites don't really resemble the Nazi elites.
Plato wanted the society to be run by philosophers and virtuos men, I don't see how you could say that Nazi and Fascist elites were filling any of these criterias.

>>9030068
>when I look at the history of fascism I see very few philosophers
it was born during a period of instability, mostly by french influence
sorel, peguy, lagardelle, hervé, vallois
mostly all ex-socialists like mussolini
very few ideologies actually have a philosophical background however, as neither liberalism nor marxism have many philosophers who directly advocate it (inb4 zizek)

most philosophers don't just make it their job to justify ideology

>>9030158
>as neither liberalism nor marxism
You're talking here about 80% of the academia (the last 20% are usually just traditionalists advocating for strong statism and legalism).

Also:
>sorel
He dies as a leninist
>Peguy
Who was a strong opponent of authoritarianism
Haven't ever read Hervè, Valois and Legardelle.

>most philosophers don't just make it their job to justify ideology
Honestly I interpret it in another way. It is not that philosophers didn't want to justify the ideology, the problem is that there are no really good arguments for doing so.
It is easy to see fascism as reasonable if a) you're just talking about it with a friend and b) you're completely oblivious to its history, it is really hard to do so when you're trying to actually ground it in any ethical or moral framework.

>>9030170
philosophers may be liberal or marxist, but none of them actually make it their duty to advocate their ideoligies within their philosophies (except trash tier philosophers desu)

Sorel influenced fascism enormously, as well as communism and anarchism. His own ideology isn't really important, more the fact that his ideas had a lot of influence.

Peguy was a libertarian and anti-clerical earlier in his life but later on became a devout christian and nationalist, it was his works during this period that influenced fascism the most

That's the interesting thing about fascism, is that most its important figures weren't originally conservative like most think, but were in fact very political liberals or socialists who changed radically, and that's why personally I find it so interesting

As well you can't exactly label fascism as completely unreasonable as a whole because there were so many wildly different interpretations, I prefer just learning about it without inserting a modern view

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>>9023118
Please go back to /pol/

T. Fascist

>caring about politics
>caring about an ideology that can be just as easily replaced with something else
>wanting to return to the old values instead of making new ones
Plebs

>>9026376
de Maistre

>>9023510

That's a strong rebuttal there dude. I think you convinced them with that great argument.

http://www.english.illinois.edu/maps/poets/m_r/pound/fascism.htm

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>>9028847
>Liberalism has often been reproached for this purely external and materialistic attitude toward what is earthly and transitory. The life of man, it is said, does not consist in eating and drinking. There are higher and more important needs than food and drink, shelter and clothing. Even the greatest earthly riches cannot give man happiness; they leave his inner self, his soul, unsatisfied and empty. The most serious error of liberalism has been that it has nothing to offer man's deeper and nobler aspirations.

>But the critics who speak in this vein show only that they have a very imperfect and materialistic conception of these higher and nobler needs. Social policy, with the means that are at its disposal, can make men rich or poor, but it can never succeed in making them happy or in satisfying their inmost yearnings. Here all external expedients fail. All that social policy can do is to remove the outer causes of pain and suffering; it can further a system that feeds the hungry, clothes the naked, and houses the homeless. Happiness and contentment do not depend on food, clothing, and shelter, but, above all, on what a man cherishes within himself. It is not from a disdain of spiritual goods that liberalism concerns itself exclusively with man's material well-being, but from a conviction that what is highest and deepest in man cannot be touched by any outward regulation. It seeks to produce only outer well-being because it knows that inner, spiritual riches cannot come to man from without, but only from within his own heart. It does not aim at creating anything but the outward preconditions for the development of the inner life.

>>9023118
/pol/ is your board, now go back.

Fucking faggots jerking off to a dead ideology.

Fascists got fucked HARD and deserve to remain histories bitch boys.

Now go post a Hitler cocksucking thread on your containment board.

>>9032390

You don't feel the pendulum swinging to the right these days?

>>9032381
>we need to change society because people aren't spiritual enough for me
You can't depend on society to make you a fulfilled person. True "spiritual fulfillment" only comes from self-mastery, which can only be done as an individual.

>>9032400
It's been doing this for the last couple years, doesn't mean I want to see fucking "lel hitlor did nuffin wrong" and "lollercaust nvr happned" on every single fucking board.

This "new" surge of KKK tier faggotry is the most overmemed, loudest, most obnoxiously retarded "movement" I've seen in a long time.

Say what you will about "muh SJWs" but at least they didn't annoy the shit out of me with their bullshit rhetoric, you had to go to their online playgrounds if you wanted to be offended by their whining.

Neo-Nazi fags on the otherhand A: Have a retarded argument that is entirely dependent on "muh Joowish boogeyman XD" and B: are fucking EVERYWHERE.

Also, what the fuck is with Neo Nazi faggots being hardcore Christians?

Last I checked, NSDAP was just as hard on christfags as they were on any other religious group.

>>9032427
>all this anger
>reddit spacing
>getting mad at memes
triggered

>>9032436
>Reddit spacing

Is this a real thing? Because that's just the way I format my posts.

I've literally never even been to reddit.

Also, as for "memes" go ahead and keep acting like the people that post this shit on a daily basis don't fucking mean it.

I don't think naziposters are being anywhere near as ironic as you think they're being.

TL;DR: Suck my cock, bootlicker.

>>9032450
>TL;DR
>I've literally never even been to reddit.
Fucking wew

>>9032448
>You've never been to university?

No, I haven't. This is partly why I despise naziposter fags as much as I do SJWs it's all an indoctrination factory.

>>9032454
>TL;DR

You haven't been on this website for very long, have you?

>>9032461
t. damage controlling redditor

probably underage too

>>9032427
>you had to go to their online playgrounds if you wanted to be offended by their whining.

Have you picked up a paper in the last few years, or been employed, or had to fill out job applications, gone to university or talked to people?

>>9032465
You're a shit tier troll, m8.

Best just quit right now.

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>>9032469

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>>9023102
Here OP

>>9024810
Carl Schmitt is the one. Concept of the Political really helps make sense of fascism

>>9032467
>Have you picked up a paper in the last few years

No, I don't pay attention to mass media news.

>or been employed

M8, I live in Eastern Oregon, which is essentially the white trash bible belt part of the state, everyone I work around is a Trump spewing fuckwit.

And, as I said before, no, I have not been to a university.

Jesus christ, you faggots act like it's impossible to avoid the big news machine.

Fucking ignore it.

>>9032427

>being this triggered on a Mongolian mustache maintenance forum

>>9032474
Nice meme.

Not that you'll believe me, but I've been posting on 4chan since 2005 and never even heard the name reddit until 2008 or so.

>>9032479
>easily offended
>gets mad over posts on 4chan of all places
>fucking hateful white trash bible shiteating retards
we've found a legit cuck here folks

>>9032481
>He typed a lot

>That means he's TR1GGRD

Yeah, okay kiddo.

>>9032420
You just said exactly what Mises was saying.

>>9032483
kek, you obviously haven't if your jimmies can get this rustled

>>9032484
AHAHAHA, like you have any room to talk.

Go praise that all knowing sky daddy that you love so much.

Christfags are the worlds #1 cucks.

>>9032493
>lol jimmies

>lol i trull u

M8 just... stop.

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>>9032496
Isn't there a thread on /r/atheism you need to be posting in?

Anyways, here's a racist frog

>>9032498
>this angry
>spacing between greentexts
This isn't reddit kid

>>9032479

You can ignore it but it won't ignore you, my white male friend.

>>9032501
This is the last (You) I'm throwing your way le ebin troll.

Better savor it.

>>9032505
>I've been here for years dude!
>calls people trolls

>>9023146
What a mental midget.

>>9032536
I always venture to these threads to see if something interesting gets posted.

It always starts with this: >>9023105 which is correct since the best fascist literature extols the virtues of the nation in which it grows.

Then someone posts >>9023165

Then someone posts the cover of Mein Kampf

Then some asshole drops Evola even though he never read Evola, and Evola was acquitted from all charges because he was never a fascist.

Then someone drops Hamsun, who renounced fascism and anti-semitism, Mishima, who was more concerned with aesthetic and his own pronounced mental illness, or Junger, who was a conservative ANTI-fascist.

Then, if its a troll, OP responds as he has in this thread, with a defense of the spooks that drive him.

Then some /pol/ infographics are posted, and the replies get shorter, and the thread dies.

This shit happens every fucking time, 50 times a year, and nothing of interest ever comes.

>>9028847

I wouldn't describe Dosto as either a fascist or an anti-Semite. He was definitely conservative (maybe even reactionary) but he was also antitotalitarian. On the Semitic front he definitely had some anti-Jew feelings (as seen in his diary) but on some occasions went so far as to write public defenses of the Jews and he wrote some Jews as sympathetic characters in his novels.

I just think he's more nuanced than you imply.

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>>9023102
Probably the most edgelordian title in all political philosophy

>>9032552
What interesting discussion can come from a thread's OP that views literature as a tool to defend what he already believes?

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>>9033826
>Absolute Monarchy
>Anarcho Capitalism
>Fascism?

Part of the book has what's basically an anti-nationalist tract, and it blames democracy for fascism.

>>9034901
What if OP is a communist with an open mind, who wants to listen to the arguments of his enemy's ideology? I don't see how you can extrapolate from the OP that he is anything really.

>>9035070
It's true I can't tell what OP actually believes in, but I can be fairly certain that this thread was meant for shit-flinging This thread archetype was posted too many times already, with the exact same phrasing, for me to give people the benefit of the doubt.

>>9032509
spotted the midget mental

>>9032481
>You mean a german bootlicking textboard

The Italian futurists (led by Marinetti) wrote a lot of interesting stuff. I've been reading as much of his stuff as I can find at the moment and it's all quite interesting because of how "alien" the ideas feel but there is a real beauty to some of it as well.

And his article about communism has some pretty funny lines. Sometimes you get the feeling that there's some degree of proto-shitposting going on.

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>>9023510
This is censorship. I didn't choose the fash, the fash chose me. The authoritarian, hateful Marxists and social justice warriors have me no choice.

>>9023118
cant i be marxist and fascist? how am i supposed to force the good down the throats of the delusional?

>>9026963
You need to be extremely pessimistic about human beings, and see countries as green houses for growing more people, only a tiny fraction of whom actually matter.

my diary.

Trump is an intrinsic product of capitalism and the epitome of how it effects humanistic ethics in exchange to perpetuate an otherwise unsustainable society based on materialistic values, which ultimately lead to fascism. I personally idealize the idea of a global community for multiple reasons so it's sad to see separatist attitudes that avoid looking at the bigger picture of any situation. The power is in the people and I hope we see it through so that everything works out. It's important to me to try and stay educated and not fall to either side of the political spetrum to the point of forming dogmatic opinions, in which people on both sides of the spetrum do. I'd rather try and seek what truth and perspective I can find in these situations so I don't blindly follow anything because otherwise you'll just end up recycling hate in your own voice. The divide between us as people is a conditioned illusion and if people are too shitty to realize that, that's pretty stupid but, idk, I have faith we're smart enough to come to a collective conclusion on such a thing and move in a direction that's more beneficial for all of us instead of fabricating fictional divisions, because we're all on the same level and we're only human.

>>9038590
t. radical centrist

>>9038613
The fact of the matter is that we can be more of an oriented global society than letting our illusions make Americans more convinced to a dead sense of jingoism. Yes, some communities will be hit hard but the world as a whole will become richer and probably safer.

>>9038656
I literally have NO idea why you think your "community" is more important than people who otherwise are poor. however my understanding of human nature makes me think we have an illogical allegiance to our specific culture, however that also has benefits. But obviously we cannot win peace otherwise.

>>9038624
and I am not. I'm a democratic socialist/anti-nationalist, honestly fuck captialism because all it focuses on is profit over human needs.

>>9038687
seriously I thought this board was against alt-right

>>9023102
The Declaration of Independence
The Constitution
The Bill of Rights

>>9023102
Based

>>9038719
This is 4chan kid

>>9023446
where can i find his childrens books?

>>9038590
This is satire, right? Every cliche is here.

>which ultimately lead to fascism
Fascism is the primacy of the political in areas of life, and is directly opposed to the primacy of the economic you see in most societies.

>The power is in the people
It's in the military. Making the people an important actor in the state incentivizes ideologically controlling and misleading the people.

>to the point of forming dogmatic opinions.
You did.

>The divide between us as people is a conditioned illusion
You can condition incompatible cultures, and not all humans are exactly the same. The Christian anthropology you find in social science departments frequently ignores evidence when it's troublesome to a universalist narrative.

>we're smart enough to come to a collective conclusion on such a thing
You're crazy if you think the political dialectic will meaningfully synthesize, ever.

>we're only human
Empty term for attempting to politically unite and mobilize people who have competing interests and hate one another.

>>9038721
well I wouldn't say I'm a stooge, explain yourself

just a reminder that only continental Europeans can be fascist

>>9023715
why do commies act like Stirner is a commie too

>>9039620
>Fascism is the primacy of the political in areas of life, and is directly opposed to the primacy of the economic you see in most societies.

That's not how serious people define fascism.

>It's in the military. Making the people an important actor in the state incentivizes ideologically controlling and misleading the people.
Do you think that it is the only way to do so? Is it the best one? And how much influence does the general population have on how the military is organized? (don't even bother to answer, we both know the answer).

>You can condition incompatible cultures, and not all humans are exactly the same. The Christian anthropology you find in social science departments frequently ignores evidence when it's troublesome to a universalist narrative.

Perfect egalitarism is not necessary to design a tolerant, diverse society. Slippery slope, my friend.

>You're crazy if you think the political dialectic will meaningfully synthesize, ever.
That's a speculation, yet you're failing to give us an argument for it.

>Empty term for attempting to politically unite and mobilize people who have competing interests and hate one another.
A plurality of self-interests mean that we can't work towards a society that, at least intuitivitely, appear as an ideal one? Appeal to society.

>>9028937
No you're an embarrassment.

>>9039645
Both parties are complete fucking idiot cooks

Friendly reminder that society has only thrived through cultural fascism.

>>9039661
>not how serious people define fascism
Tell me how serious people define fascism.

>Do you think that it is the only way to do so?
All political legitimacy always traces itself back to the barrel of a gun. Clearly the military follows orders, and it would take a lot of centralized authority within the military for it to do something else, but yes, the military is necessarily the basis of authority in any political system.

>Perfect egalitarism is not necessary to design a tolerant, diverse society
What the hell is good about diversity? There are obvious drawbacks (ideological and ethnic splinters which undermine national unity, tribalism that is easily converted into violence and instability, dysfunctional groups with distinct identities that coalesce into scold classes and demand advancement at the cost of others, an easy method for politicians to wield resentment and fear to gain voting blocks, etc.).

"Liberals are baffled and infuriated that poor whites vote Republican, yet voting on tribal grounds is a feature of all multi-ethnic democracies, whether [in] Northern Ireland, Lebanon or Iraq. The more a majority becomes a minority the more tribal its voting becomes, so that increasingly the Republicans have become the “white party”; making this point indelicately got Pat Buchanan the sack, but many others make it too.

Will it happen here [in the UK]? The patterns are not dissimilar. In the 2010 election the Conservatives won only 16 per cent of the ethnic minority vote, while Labour won the support of 72 per cent of Bangladeshis, 78 per cent of African-Caribbeans and 87 per cent of Africans. The Tories are slightly stronger among British Hindus and Sikhs – mirroring Republican support among Asian-Americans – who are more likely to be home-owning professionals and feel less alienated.

The Economist recently asked if the Tories had a “race problem”, but it may just be that democracy has a race problem."
-Ed West

>That's a speculation
You think democrats and republicans will finally agree, ever? People are not rational and they do not view issues objectively.

>A plurality of self-interests mean that we can't work towards a society that, at least intuitivitely, appear as an ideal one?
It means it's very likely we will not cooperate. Google game theory.

Distributing power to everybody does not assure the best for everybody.

>>9039745
this.

>>9023836
Savage

>>9023660
but italian fascism wasn't ethnonationalist

>>9039620
>>9039661
>this is satire right
no, this is my essay im writing for my school paper. It is science to say that humans are pretty much all the same, it's only our socialization that defers us, otherwise we would all be the same.
I think you're still stuck in your ideas of a hateful opinions.
>>9039661 I think we should aim for egalitarianism, because we, as a nation, of various peoples are considered a "Diverse" society. This has not allowed us to move into a direction of peace. >>9040119
The military is not necessary to maintain a stable, civilized society nor an ideal society, otherwise many violent nations would be, however in our culture we have normalized violence, suffering and war because we are aware that we indirectly cause it and benefit from it. The only real drawback to diversity is that bigots refuse to adapt to the global community to which we are destined.

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>>9023102
YEAH, THE AMERICANS CALL IT THE CONSTITUATION

>>9024625
blah blah blah capitalist blah blah blah capitalists.

>>9040788
but capitalism doesn't work

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>>9028877
every post of yours shall be replied with a racist meme only to male you sperg out all over the thread

>>9040840
I bet it was those bloody Sunni's that did it

>>9036937
this

>>9038676
lol. do you know what solipsims is? also if won't sacrifice muslef and my family o the altar of an hedonistic "global society"

>>9040890
but he was wrong though

>>9040907
Yes, I've heard the word, why would you need to ask that

>>9040772
>It is science to say that humans are pretty much all the same, it's only our socialization that defers us, otherwise we would all be the same.
I'm certain now that this is satire.

>>9040918
becuase you're cleaarly an idiot who believes in spooks

i respect real communists who pro worker and anti globalists, but you're "enlighted" moralistic and self hating kids are just a waste of oxygen

>>9040928
Science hasn't even successfully predicteded anything

>>9040928
Well, this year in my class we talked about the anthropologist Franz Boas and he found that the science of race at the time which said that skull shape is determined by race is false. The environment shapes our brains and skulls.
Anthropology and other sciences have basically found that race is genetically not in existence, so why are we fucking let these illusions make us fight each other.
Also in 1950 UNESCO meeting of academics from all backgrounds agreed that different races are equally and innately capable. Pretty much only scientists who followed Eugenics disagreed, so tell me what you think, I think scientific evidence is pretty much transparent.

>>9040938
I don't respect anti-globalists but enlighten me what these "spooks" are. Real communism isn't about fucking people over, we obviously see the effect of other ideologies based in certain beliefs of the right.

>>9041000
justice, egalitarianism, and belief of a fundamental good in the human nature.
and, of course, the belief that good and bad exist.

answer anon's question: why should i fed you before i fed my own family?

>>9040977
lol. the western world colonized africa, india and the americas. how did they do that? why were they more advanced than africans and amerindians?

>>9041000
real communism it's not about destroy your working class and let companies exploit cheap labour in third world countries

>>9030218
You've literally just contradicted your first two points in your last one you stupid cunt.

>>9040977
What does this even mean? Different races formed because of different environments. This very much implies there are going to be differences between races.

>OOOo my teacher said this and this and then he told me I was special because I lapped up all of his bullshit and sucked his cock.

Think about what you're saying you twat.

>>9041176
this. if enbiroment shaped our bone structure and our skin coulour, how it didn't shaped at least sone traits of our innate attitudes?
i'm not saying that other races are inferior, just that are different

I want the /pol/ spergs to get the fuck off my board...

>>9041288
muh board. sorry but /leftypol/ efforts to colinize /lit/ are vane

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>>9041325
Are you saying that /lit/ is a right wing board?

>>9041357
/lit/ is full of frogposting retards now. The only oldfags here have addictive personalities or they're dumb.

Zizek is an awful meme by the way.

>>9027199
Thanks for this rec bro. I love when /lit/ clues me into shit I never would have heard of in a thousand years otherwise.

>>9041469
I'm 30 and in academia, and I've been right wing on /lit/ since the board started.

>>9040977
>Well, this year in my class we talked about the anthropologist Franz Boas and he found that the science of race at the time which said that skull shape is determined by race is false. The environment shapes our brains and skulls.
This is just a complete lie. It's simply not true, you're a retard for believing in this shit. Go outside and actually LOOK at people, LOOK at different skulls of different races. This is some psuedoscience revisionist bullshit, holy fuck

>>9040977
>Anthropology and other sciences have basically found that race is genetically not in existence
This is a very popular opinion.

>>9040977
>everybody is the same because it makes me feel good
Liberals are so fucking intellectually dishonest

>>9023102
Actually, no.

>>9023567
>Get fucked. This is the dawn of the new fascist age and it is time the rest of 4chan accepted it.
Fuck OFF you pathetic neckbeard. Fascism is not the antidote to your virginity. Your "age of fascism" is about as impressive as somebody giving themselves a nickname.

>>9041980
>his point: the environment makes us different (there but for the grace of God go I)
>your understanding of his argument: nobody is different

How can you be this retarded?

>>9042050
>his point: the environment makes us different
This isn't entirely true but race doesn't actually exist either.
Evolution isn't even 100% determined by the environment(natural selection).

>>9042060
No shit, the organism and the environment are inherently connected in an unbreakable feedback loop.

Doesn't change the fact that the other anon seeing the point as a liberal trying to argue that everybody is the same is ridiculous. It's closer to argue that everyone is unique (including people supposedly of the same race).

>>9042060
I'm not arguing against the increasingly complex understanding of human evolution, and I am not arguing for fascism, but I HATE these sorts of arguments where "X doesn't exist". Yes it does you fuck, that's why there is a word for it. If you have a better concept, or an argument about why we can do away with that concept altogether then go for it, but you can't just cry spook and pretend that all the phenomenological experience leading to the existence of a word is magically poofed out of existence and history.

>>9041016
how are those things a spook?

>>9042105 It's because European culture has an innately racist society since the beginning due to culture, so how would our definitions of race ever have been accurate before.
What we see as different is, however, a system of debunked history. Geneticists, scientists, who were pro-eugenics knew what how to spin it.

>>9042231
>race doesn't exist
>problem is definition of race
Get your position straight.

Also, pretend I am travelling to a strange new land...
>wow, all the people here look different, speak different, have different cultural norms, have a different relationship to the environment, seem to sometimes have a completely different way of thinking about things... It's like they are a completely different... Um... A different... Uuuuum... A different SOMETHING!

>>9042426
Not the other guy, but nobody is denying different cultures, ethnicities and peoples exist, the issue is that the American definition of race is incredibly retarded and nonsensical.

Your example is incredibly stupid as well

>>9042475
Sorry, but I was responding to someone who LITERALLY said race does not exist, so shut the fuck up.

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>>9042566
Race the way American define it LITERALYL doesn't exist, it's arbitrary and an artificial construct.

Arabs are white, pic related is black, don't get me started on Latinos or """"hispanics""""

>>9038590
>society based on materialistic values, which ultimately lead to fascism
why is it, with absolutely no knowledge of the ideology, people like you make such ridiculously false claims?


also mods delete this derailed thread please thanks

>>9040977

>Also in 1950 UNESCO meeting of academics from all backgrounds agreed that different races are equally and innately capable.

Well, that settles it I guess. We must never challenge the findings of these academics, ever. We don't want any of this free inquiry bullshit going on in our universities.

>>9042639
>also mods delete this derailed thread please thanks
Shut the fuck up, butthurt poltard.

>>9042619
Can you recommend some literature that offers a better definition and summarise said definition please?

>>9042821
>stfu

still, fascism was all about muh spirituality and honour, ancient rome and the old values. very different from a extreme capitalistic society mindset

>>9038677
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

i sincerely hope you are not serious

>>9042821
leave

>>9042937
Nah, you can just go fuck yourself instead.

>>9042901
Great. Now that we know that, we can retain all that honor while doing away with the fascism!

>>9042821
go away

>>9023102
The issue is that fascism wasn't around long enough to amass a true intellectual following
>inb4 "that's cause fascism isn't intellectual"
Yeah and so is everything further left than social democrats

>>9042968
you're stupid. the fact that an ideology isn't materialistic doesnmt make it good or viceversa.

you brain works like this:

>materialism and capitalism are bad
>fascism is bad
>therefore fascism is materialistic

>>9042981
your*

>>9042968
>>>/reddit/

>>9042976
although intellectuals may subscribe to an ideology, it is inherently unintellectual

>>9042981
I'm not even that materialist gibbet from before you fuckwit.

I just happen to like honor (maximise) and dislike fascism (minimise). Materialism is neither here nor there (moderation).

>>9042974
>>9042996
4chan isn't your safe space for intolerant dickwads

>>9043020
I am not intolerant

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>>9043020
>intolerant

>>9038590
The concept of globalism has been corrupted by the core of capitalism, my man. As >>9038613
implied (in a kind of egotistical way, since most countries that export their workforce have cushions for the lower class), the concept of global comunity is just a way for companies to "export" the proletariat to places without proper sindical movement or work laws and get away with it while getting supreme profit.

Postindustrial or "information" societies are a farce based on the suffering of the underdevelopment of entire countries. Being saciated with "the capabilities of human beings" and ilustrated sophism is to get nowhere.

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>>9043168
>All these pseudo intellectuals
I feel like you are ignoring how desperately we are trying to enforce labour standards on the third world

>>9042976
same goes for everything further right than social democrats desu

>>9043201
No, you are just a pseudoscientific hack who does nothing but masterbate at pictures of Denmark

>>9043178
only people who unironically use the term pseudo-intellectual are those with an inflated sense of their own intelligence desu

>>9043020
. i wasn't defending fascism just stating that it wasn't materialistic. simple as that, jeez. some fascists used to critizise both liberism and communism for that aspect

>>9043204
Nordic model master race - aint nothing pseudoscientific about being the best place in the world senpai

>>9043178
Is this income per year? Also, could you pass me up data about companies/international entities effectively stablishing labour standards and administration outside of UN's charity-like dispositions? I highly doubt that third world countries' expansion is due to "us" trying to desperately try to enfource labour standards, but of the reactions of industrialized workshops in societies that were not so.

Of course, income inequality has been on a pretty slow decline since the end of colonialism, but companies don't export workforce without reason. China (the most exponential general growth in the chart you mention) hasn't had a sindical movement thanks to developed world's intentions, for example.

>>9043224
Nordic model has a relatively nice tax structure (it isn't stupidly progressive like the US) but Australia and Singapore are objectively better if you consider longevity

>>9043178
Also, yeah it is income per year, I forgot to erase that from the response, sorry I'm stupid.

>>9043227
>Is this income per year?
Yes
>Also, could you pass me up data about companies/international entities effectively stablishing labour standards and administration outside of UN's charity-like dispositions?
Look up the ILO friendo


> I highly doubt that third world countries' expansion is due to "us" trying to desperately try to enfource labour standards, but of the reactions of industrialized workshops in societies that were not so.
Third world countries arguably aren't developed enough for the labor standards we try and enforce on them (through the TPP for instance, hence me telling you to look up the ILO.) It's really a good example of Western paternalism

>Of course, income inequality has been on a pretty slow decline since the end of colonialism, but companies don't export workforce without reason.
The rise of income inequality is largely the result of skills-biased technological changes which has shifted the labour market to favour the well educated over the poorly educated. Trade, immigration, and shifting tax structures have had some impact, but the brunt of it is technology.

>China (the most exponential general growth in the chart you mention) hasn't had a sindical movement thanks to developed world's intentions, for example.
That's interesting, does china allow Unionisation? I know Vietnam doesn't, but would have to if the TPP was implemented

>>9043240
>TPP
If I remember correctly, wasn't the TPP (and the TTIP in extension) a pretty lenghty reenforcement of property and patent rights, thus stablishing the technology in the hands of those who own it in a definite manner?

Also, China doesn't allow unionisation, but has a national sindicate.

>>9043292
It was affirming intellectual property (completely asinine as you can't apply property rights to non-scarce goods) to a degree, I believe, and it was mostly detailing out which and what can be regulated where as "free trade."

>>9043292
It was an extension of US copyright laws onto other countries, most western nations largely have them already (i,e Australia)

It's kind of funny how "progressives" in the US were so vehemently against it because of it's copyright and ISDS laws that were openly in favour of Western interests, yet they ignore how poorer nations were the biggest proponents of it. They just laugh off the fact it would boost Vietnam's GDP by 10% and give their workers the labour rights that we won over decades. Western progressive paternalism is cancer. Trump's reasons for opposing it were wrong, but at least his weren't outright dissonance

what is fascism actually? i honestly don't know. the way people use the term it seems like it's just Very Right Wing (whatever the hell right wing means) Nationalism.

>>9043369
>fascism
Originally it meant specifically the system of Mussolini's regime. In time it gained additional meaning to encompass any and all regime employing totalitarian/opressive methods.
Nowadays it's often used for dramatic effect because people incapable of making a point otherwise love to exaggerate.

>>9043369
>>9043380

Forgot to add, the name itself originates from the fascist party, from the Italian "fascio", which denotes a bundle of... sticks, for lack of a batter word, an old Roman symbol. You know, strength in unity, one stick breaks easily but a lot of them together are strong.

>>9043380
>any and all regime employing totalitarian/opressive methods
but no one calls saudi arabia or iran fascist

or north korea, eritrea, or burma under the junta,

>>9043387

Yeah, because that would be racist according to the loudest left-wing nutjobs (who ironically at times employ fascist methods themselves).

>>9043387
Saudi Arabia and Iran are odd cases and I'll divide it like this.

Saudi Arabia is probably a bit closer to fascism in certain respects because it's an absolute monarchy (which would make it definitely not fascist) but it relies on a paramilitary force (which is very fascist.)

Iran is an anomaly and should not be as successful a country as it is because it is a theocracy that has a guise of republicanism about it but generally relies on good old fashioned religion as well as a population that is upset but generally passive yet resourceful (find any historical account of Iranians and Persians and one would realize that they are some of the most agreeable people on earth, some French commentators (I believe) stating that they value comfort above all other things.)

North Korea is basically National Socialism. Juche is to them what the Volk was to the Germans. If the Nazis had managed to remain in power, Germany would be slightly wealthier than North Korea because it's more rich in resources, but it would retain many of the same cruel features and probably a good deal of technological oddities. Maybe not wood-burning cars, but I question if there would be a full on internet there.

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>>9023165
>The Rein of Quantity & the Signs of the Times

Has anyone actually read this book? I own it; and I cannot even understand what the hell Guenon is trying to convey here. At least Evola uses evidence from past civilizations to clarify his views. Guenon just appears opaque and esoteric - and not in a meaningful sense. I don't even understand what he is arguing against. The problem with the modern world is that it is quantitative as opposed to qualitative, but true quality extends beyond manifestation, hence it is not quantifiable and cannot be. Either this is a gross misrepresentation of what he is saying or the sentiment is totally bananas.

>>9044486
>countries with no ideological link to fascism are fascist because I can make unrelated links
"no"

fuck off to /pol/

>>9044725
North Korea is literally based off of military first and they are now more obsessed with the fact that they are the only ones with "pure korean blood" than they are with being communist.

>>9045599
>lol dude military and racism are only fascist
it's time to stop posting

>>9045617
I wasn't even comparing NK to fascism, how did you get me on this? I was comparing them to National Socialism.

>>9043380
>>9043369
does anyone know of an essay/article where the author tries to define an essential characteristic of fascism?
I lost the link but it seemed sort of useful.
His point was that fascist states control every aspect of fascism, for example in fascist states private businesses are only allowed to exist if it benefits the state.
I don't know enough to say if he is right desu. All suggestions are appreciated /lit/zards.

>>9045889
every aspect of the economy* fuckkk

>>9045889
https://mega.nz/#!K80XgA7I!CZaAUCjk4yIqzS62KqhxI7r6830ystp7A3vALLoaZQo

>>9027879
>manly agency
is this a joke?

>>9023102
why the fuck is this thread still up

>>9027897
>Spanish falangism was very successful
Spain was an impoverished backwater until they entered the EU

>>9047346
Falangism was diluted to the point of abandon after Franco took over

>>9043384
Faggot is the English term, literally a by dle of sticks