Would you choose the pleasure machine?

Only if I had nothing left that I cared about knowing enough to put me off. It's kinda like being offered a great new Netflix show which you can watch if you abandon the one you're watching. If the one you're watching isn't as good but you still want to find out what happens in later episodes you probably won't abandon it for the show even though it is better. Same with life e.g. what happens to my friends, family, projects I've invested myself in etc. Projects in the real world that I desire knowledge about, which no simulation of the machine can provide.

>>9019676
Though I should probably add that such a view does depend on a problematic causalist epistemology.

>>9020418
>such a view does depend on a problematic causalist epistemology.

the fuck are you talking about?

>>9019676
is this about infinite jest?

love dfw haha

>ywnb a cute lesbian in san junipero
>heaven will never be a place on earth

>>9019676
Did he make a virtue machine as well?

It's objectively the best experience possible

>>9022222
but its not """real""" brah

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>>9019676

Why is there a picture of Nozick beside this question instead of Tesla?

>>9022234
Being drunk/high isn't real either

>>9022237
Because Nozick was a philosopher and Tesla was a hack fraud meme

>>9022222
those digits are the best experience possible

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>>9022244
Said the elephant killer

I feel like life would be torturously boring without pain and suffering. The low points make the high points all the better. Pleasure and good times all the time would make me want to blow my brains out

>>9022244
Tell me more about Tesla being a hack

>>9022997
>rationalizing pain and suffering this hard.

>>9022997
You're mistaking cause and effect here.
We suffer cause of our ambitions, and that's what gives meaning to our life: our goals.
Pain and suffering is just a result of the dissonance between the need of having a goal and the struggle to reach it.

The pleasure machine is an inferior form of existence cause of its inherently static nature.

>>9022997
Then why not spend your time in the experience machine having good times and bad times?

>>9019676
In a heartbeat.

Nozick's thought experiment simply proves the irrationality of people, our capacity to delude ourselves against our interest.

>>9023046
>The pleasure machine is an inferior form of existence cause of its inherently static nature.
You can unplug from the machine periodically if you wish to experience the harshness of reality, or simply program in some difficulties in between all the orgies. It doesn't change the question of simulation vs reality.

The apparent world is the only one. The true world was merely added by a lie.
-- Freddy Neechee

>>9019676
>Would you choose the pleasure machine?
Most people ALREADY choose the machine, it's not as sophisticated but what are drugs if not the same thing? No-one would choose to be an alcoholic, but give them a taste and it'll happen.

>implying i haven't already

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>>9019676
It'd be far superior to my current life of desperate escapism, so, yeah. God yes.

>>9023226
THIS TBQHWYF
I've had a conversation with a group of friends about this pleasure machine, and we all agreed that we'd go into the machine except for one of us.
Their reasoning was that it's not real life, and you don't get to have other emotions but didn't bring up why it would be such a terrible thing not to have other emotions, I felt the only reason why they chose not to is simply to be a contrarian and to feel that they were better than, they're that type of person from past experiences with them

>>9022222
Without defining the best experience it's not obvious that it can be attained via a simulation machine.

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>>9019676

According to google pic related is the pleasure machine

I'll take four

>>9023038
Maybe it is a mere rationalization, but it's better than wallowing in self pity because life is rough

>>9023046
I'm not taking about cause and effect; I'm just imagining a world in which i succeed in every endeavor and receive everything i want. It'd be nice for a week but then it'd be hell
>>9023087
What would be the point?

>>9023341
Well it turns out i was wrong. I WOULD like to be inside a pleasure machine

>>9023226
>against our interest.
Which is universal and what again?

>>9023226
Or perhaps it shows that there is more to a fulfilled human life than just pleasure. I'm not saying you are wrong, only that you have assumed things, such as what our best interest means, and the nature of morality, which lead you to your assertion. It is that from these assumptions you are saying that everyone who disagrees with you is a deluded fool

>>9023237
There is an enormous difference between choosing something that brings pleasure and the pleasure machine. It's like saying someone is choosing an inferior pleasure machine because they add sugar to their porridge.

>No-one would choose to be an alcoholic
Of this I disagree. I also disagree that all alcoholics are so because it brings them pleasure. A great many people drink not for pleasure but to mask pain. These are not the same thing.

>Most people ALREADY choose the machine
The vast majority of people have no dependency on drugs.

no, and I would destroy everyone else's pleasure machines just to spite them

We discussed the experience machine in an introductory ethics tutorial today and it was a disgrace.

>you should plug in to the machine if your life is shit and you cant afford your rent
>you shouldn't plug in because """"real"""" life is intrinsically better
This is the standard of discourse at a 500 year old university.

The real answer is of course that the distinction between real and artificial experience is arbitrary and from a hedonistic point of view you always ought to select the experience machine.

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>>9024128
>Which is universal and what again?

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>>9022234

tell that to Duran Duran.

>>9022997
>Pleasure and good times all the time would make me want to blow my brains out
It wouldn't, you just have a hard time imagining it. If the pleasure would cause you suffering to the point of becoming suicidal it would not be a pleasure machine.

>>9023046
Stasis is not in itself problematic.

>>9024568

that's not how the nervous system works at all

>>9024085
>What would be the point?
To make the good experiences fun; for instance, you could be having a giant orgy for hours and then get beaten up, then go back to the orgy in order to make it pleasant

>>9019676


Yes without hesitation. I honestly can't understand why anyone wouldn't.

>>9025990
have u even seen the matrix? it doesnt work without suffering

take the blue pill

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>>9026025
>human generators

trannies suck at simulation theory

>>9022234
party on :D up the irons \M/

pleasure is intrinsically painful

>>9021767
i understood this reference

also yes

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>>9019676
L O L

Pleasure isn't a concrete thing that can be activated by some labcoat psychologist. It only exists in opposition to pain. After a couple of hours in the machine you would experience 'pleasure' as your normal, baseline state and need more 'pleasure' to feel pleasure

Read some Neechee or talk to your local wino

>>9026071
>I am a pleb who thinks he has something to contribute because no scary 'Authors' were mentioned in OP

kill yourself

>>9026091
refute me faggot

>>9026071
>Pleasure isn't a concrete thing that can be activated by some labcoat psychologist
Sure it is. Let me just pump you full of dopamine, serotonin and a bunch of endorphins. We'll see if you don't feel happy.
Unless you mean in the "I'm in so much pain but it's making me stronger, such PLEASURE" type deal because fuck you then

>>9026071
>>9026155
And no, you wouldn't feel less pleasure after a bunch of hours. You'd feel the exact same amount because those chemicals ensures it. You wouldn't be able to feel bored or in pain with the right amount

>>9023261
>I felt the only reason why they chose not to is simply to feel that they were better than [us]
So that person is motivated by pleasure more than being honest? Sounds like you guys are more similar than you thought, fucktard.

>>9022222
Digits confirm

>>9026155
> Let me just pump you full of dopamine, serotonin and a bunch of endorphins.
I know what you mean on principle obviously, but lol

>>9026663
Yeah, I'm going to pump you full of pleasure

>>9026071
>Pleasure isn't a concrete thing that can be activated by some labcoat psychologist
In this case it is. Have you even read the book OP is quoting from?

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>>9026155

>dopamine, serotonin and a bunch of endorphins
>equals pleasure

>>9019676
Being human requires accumulating experiences, but the only way to be in ecstasy indefinitely is to block the ability to do so. Otherwise we would be conditioned to pleasure, and it would cease to be pleasure. Indefinitely increasing pleasure isn't feasible; the only way would be forced amnesia.

A pleasure machine would be a great way to get rid of useless people though, and I'd probably take it for a spin on the weekends if possible.

>>9023261
The point is that the machine does not provide a genuine experience. Would you rather live in blissful ignorance or be enlightened to the true nature of existence, accepting the risks of adverse consequences? If the former, why are you discussing literature instead of burning it?

>>9025992
Yes it is.

>>9026921
>The point is that the machine does not provide a genuine experience.
But it's you who feels the experience, and you feel it as if it's lifelike, and you don't know your in a machine

>>9026921
>genuine
Spooked hard

>>9023034
He once paid for his hotel room by giving the owner a sealed prototype of his death ray, and warned him not to open it without the appropriate precautions.
After his death, the hotel owner opened the box and found only spare mechanical pieces

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>>9026157
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habituation

Have a gander assface

The brain adjusts its pleasure threshold over time and experience. Hence a starving child enjoys a scrap of bread more than a billionaire his weekly foie gras. Continually receiving pleasure chemicals will drive the threshold so far up that after a couple of years you would need an absurd amount to get the kick you once had. Wouldn't work, physically

As a purely hypothetical scenario (which is probably Nozick's point) I would decline. Living for pleasure alone seems myopic