Cervantes vs Shakespeare

I am with the side who judges an author's work on their writing and not the lifestyles they lived.

>>9013709
>Le death of the author :^)

>>9013703
>only the poor are 'real people'

>>9013743
>things OP never said

>>9013728

Well, the two do share the same date of death*...

>>9013703
>Wrote complicated books

He wrote fucking plays you stupid spic.

Cervantes was a realist. Shakespeare wrote of the human soul through a stylized poetic reflection, and all the more striking and universal than any of his peers. For in this reflection no clear trace of the author himself is present.

>nobody acknowledged him in his life

t. someone who doesn't know shit

>>9013775
>plays are not books
>Cervantes was a realist
>there is trace of Cervantes himself as author in his works

>>9013791
Correct on all counts. This man is a true patrician.

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Spanish lit is trash tho

>>9013703
>implying there's any rivalry between them
>implying they were even aware of each other's existence

>>9013703
(((Cervantes)))

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>>9013825
>Modern scholars have suggested that he may have descended from a New Christian or Converso background, i.e., that his ancestors, prior to 1492, had been Jews.[48]
holy shit

>>9013832
They do that every time there arent sufficient records available that prove otherwise.

Fucking whitecis males? Why would I read that?

>>9013854
Cervantes wasn't white and Shakespeare didnt even exist

>>9013703
you sound like a Marxist fag

Cervantes wins. End of story

I prefer Cervantes but it is a ridiculous to say nobody acknowledged his work. DQ was a worldwide bestseller at the time and Cervantes was also a fairly successful playwright.
Comparing two writers only through their biographies is ridiculous anyway. The author might not be dead but that doesn't mean his work isn't of central value.

>>9013753
>newfriends dont know what implying is

>>9013703
Cervantes is clearly the better human being since he was poor.

All human virtue can be distilled into whether you have stuff or don't have stuff.

>>9013703
>nobody acknowledged him in his time
>implying
>>9013812
>implying they were even aware of each other's existence
>implying Shakespeare didn't read Quixote and write a play with one of his mates based on part of it

>>9013775
>Cervantes was a realist
lolololol

>>9013857
>Shakespeare didnt even exis

Aliens are here, man
The aliens are here, man
The reptilians are here, man
The Illuminati's listenin'

>>9013728
Even T.S. fucking Eliot was against biographical criticisms ffs

Besides if you actually READ Barthes' essay you'll learn there's a lot more to the death of the author as a phenomenon than the untenability of biographical readings, dealing with issues of cannonicity given the literary environment of his time and anti-theological arguments re: fixed meanings

Yes I'm autistic but you should kys

>>9013703
I would go for Cervantes but not based on your shit tier post
Don Quixote is such a genius work, I dont understand how could a dude from the 1600's write something than could be easily be taken as a post-modern work

>>9014396
>write something than could be easily be taken as a post-modern work
Retard detected.

>>9014406
not an argument

>>9013703
Your comparison is inaccurate. The part about the spainard is true but Shakespeare was the people's poet. He was not some oligarch writing down to what he saw to be a bunch of animals. He made fun of the oligarchy of his day and wrote classical tragedies that showed their faults and the consequences thereof. He may have been a shrewd businessman but he was no elitist. When it comes to choosing a favorite it comes to a matter of personal preference. They wrote for the same purpose. Stop pushing the race meme and fucking up what is beautiful and good.

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>>9014396
>Don Quixote is such a genius work, I dont understand how could a dude from the 1600's write something than could be easily be taken as a post-modern work

>>9014490
not an argument

>>9013703
>Muh Shakes vs Cervantes
>Muh Dostoyevsky vs Tolstoy
>Muh Joyce vs Woolf
>Muh Hemmingway vs Faulkner
get over your apples vs oranges bullshit, both have contain necessary vitamins for sustaining your stupid body.
[Spoiler]ShakesDostoWoolfFaulkner[/spoiler]

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>>9014531
>tfw you forget to click the button

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>>9014531
>>9014535
>using spoilers incorrectly
>thinking the image spoiler button enables spoilers

wew lad

>>9014482
I agree with most of what you say, but he didn't simply play to the people and make fun of the aristocracy. Much of his dialogue would've gone over the heads of the commoners and was meant to entertain the aristocrats rather than just satirize them. Overall, yes, his plays were largely written to be accessible and entertaining to the masses, but I think your analysis is a tad simplistic.

>>9014396
Is Sir Gawain also post-modern? Oh wait, no, satire has existed for a very long time!

>>9014406
>>9014490

If it can't be confused with an actual postmodern work, it certainly addresses in a deep and knowing way many postmodern themes and concerns, and it's fairly arguable whether any actual postmodern lit has advanced much if at all beyond the terrain Cervantes has already mapped.

>>9014531
All comparisons are potential illuminating.

>Cervantes wrote one (1) good novel
>Shakespeare wrote a couple dozen great plays

Shakespeare > Cervantes numbers don't lie

>>9013832

*chuckle*

The OP illustration of Cervantes is practically a merchant head.

>>9014643
A good novel is worth a hundred plays

>>9014684
A good play is worth a thousand novels.

>>9014688
Therefore a good novel is worth 100000 novels

>>9014694
Interesting paradox.
How do we get out of it?

>>9014717
we dont, you are living on it, welcome to the simulation, bitch

>>9014688
Disregard this I suck cocks

>>9014684
>>9014688
>>9014694
>>9014717
>>9014810
kek

Cervantes killed muslims, so it's obviously Cervantes.

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>>9014827
And Shakespeare's Muslim killed the white woman, so it's Cervantes.

Ty for clarifying this seeming imponderable.

>>9013728
That's even DotA.

>>9013791
Plays aren't book you cunt.

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>>9014891
>"Plays aren't book"

Except when they are, numbnutz.

>>9014827
yeah and he was ironic towards their religion on several passages of Don Quixote
How can one man be so based?

>>9014694
shakespare btfo

>>9014717
It's not a paradox

1 good novel = 100 (not good) plays
1 good play = 1000 (not good) novels
Therefore 1 good novel = 100000 (not good) novels

Interestingly 1 good play equals 1 play, which makes sense because plays are all shit

>>9014891
>thinking book is a synonym of novel

Fucking idiot.