What do you think of this fellow?

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meme

>>8999246
Rebel, polymath, libertine, philosopher, mountaineer, chess player, poet and a monstrous narcissist.

Still, it's irrelevant to dwell on his personal qualities when he was such a good writer. As we know, all the best writers were bastards, and he was hardly the worst.

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>tfw to intellgent too be limited by dimenisons

>>8999246
I dont like thinking lad

I tried to get into Occultism as a way of life and ritualistic practice as way of realizing ideals in the material world but all it did was make me feel like a dork with hypersensitive apophenia.

Don't fall for the Occultism meme.

>>8999605
You can get a lot out of Crowley without believing in magic. I know I have.

Robert Anton Wilson's interpretations of Crowley's teachings are better than Crowley's works themselves. Dude was obsessed with obfuscation.

>>8999700
To be fair, Wilson (and Leary) knew Crowley better than he knew himself. They were familiar with the concept of the "reality tunnel," and could see past the convictions that limited Crowley.

Wilson was also the supreme synthesist (much better than Crowley) who excelled at forming a holistic view.

("Holistic" is a word that makes me cringe, but it's appropriate here, unfortunately.)

>>8999728
Yes, I would agree with all that. It's a good way of putting your finger on what makes Wilson so enjoyable to read.

However I found that having Wilson be my introduction to all things occult made it rather hard to read Crowley after the fact. It just felt convoluted for the sake of >muh secrets and not at all practical unless you were willing to peel back his layers of symbology and read his obfuscated prose. Wilson simply told you the secrets (although he didn't always tell you he was doing that).

The only book of Crowley's where I really think he "got it" in terms of passing on practical knowledge (which I consider the whole point of the occult) was Diary of a Drug Fiend, and even that is only useful to someone who has experienced addiction .

>>8999246
Quite literally, a lunatic.

>>8999526

He genuinely wasn't that good of a writer, though. A common trick for him was to resort to conventional ABAB-tier poetry, and to make use of alliteration. These are perfectly valid literary techniques, but they're not exactly high art, or sublime.

>>8999246
Gurdgieff was better

>>8999246
What went down in his head? Did he talk to the dead?

>>9000466
How so?

>>9000467
No clue but he allegedly once took a guy out to the desert where he gave him peyote and sodomized his asshole over the course of a day or two

>>8999246
A god amongst men. Really, doesn't get a fair shake by the logocentrists because his work takes actual analysis to understand rather than fitting his ideas into preordianed Western philosophical schema.

>>9000811
your forget your redpill bullshit

What RAW books should I read in order to get a grasp of Crowley's ideas and system?

>>8999246

He effectively started the apocalypse.

>>9000793
that's awesome

>>9000959

Prometheus Rising and Quantum Psychology are both fun to read.

>>8999246
Just some SIS operative who went under the guise of occultism to get into higher circles

>>8999246
waste of time

>>9000959
The Historical Illuminatus Chronicles

>>9000793
That would be Victor Neuberg, and I'm pretty sure he was cool with it.

>>9000811
>A god amongst men
Actually he believed all men (and women) were immortal gods, passing through serial incarnations just to amuse themselves.

>>9000197
>He genuinely wasn't that good of a writer, though.
Well that's just, like, your opinion man.

>A common trick for him was to resort to conventional ABAB-tier poetry
And Homer stuck to rhyming couplets. Doesn't mean the poetry was bad.

>>8999762
It's a different thing, though. Crowley was attempting to induce the brain change, seeming to sometimes assume that the reader was already aware that this was the aim. Wilson took people in who didn't even know what the goal was, and made that explicit.

>>8999246
i hate moby

>>9001208
>And Homer stuck to rhyming couplets
I like this kind of nice clean family friendly bait.

>>9001759
He could get stomped by Obie

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>>8999699
>not going art-as-magic, magic-as-art

>>9001794
you 36 year old baldheaded fag blow me

>>9000000

>>8999246
A schizophrenic bhuddist

>>9000675

Gurdjieff was smarter, a better writer, kinder, and his esotericism was much more complex and appealed towards intelligence

>>8999450
fp;bp

le bump

Typical 'master' of the occult, a thoroughly repulsive human being, drug addict, pimp, heartless exploiter of women, homosexual, left one of his mistresses in Paris sick and starving, prostituting herself to buy him luxuries, then he took off with another poor naive bitch... And some people think they can learn 'wisdom' from these despicable cads...

I'm so fucked up

>>9003866
>drug addict, pimp, heartless exploiter of women, homosexual
One of these things is not like the others

>>9001757
That is a good point. There is also the historical argument that secrecy was more necessary in Crowley's time than in Wilson's when one is talking about, say, magical buttfucking.

>>9004231
kys sjw libnigger

>>9005591
He meant drug addict bro. The only one that doesn't deal with sex.

>>8999246
Purposefully got addicted to morphine and cocaine just to willpower himself sober iirc, dont know if that works but fun idea, heard his tarot is crazy accurate, there is a good song about him. Interesting person whether you believe in his stuff or not.

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>>9005595
sorry, I'm a swede, if you're reading this post you will drink nigger cum atleast once in your life, unless you reply

>>9005657
reply to what? I'm sure everyone has replied to something at least once in their life.

Nobody need reply to this post.

goddamn it marie they're minerals

>>9000959
Read Man Without a Shadow by Colin Wilson.

>>8999526
you left out morphine addict who began life with a fortune as an heir to a Scottish lordship and ended it penniless and trying to eat hard-boiled eggs with filed down teeth.

>>9001129
this. Albert Einstein and James Joyce counsel a guy who has been traumatized by... guess who.

also when L Ron Hubbard tried to join the OTO, Crowley thought he was fucking nuts and didn't recommend him.

>>9005648
> tarot
> crazy accurate

my sides just left for the Lesser Magellanic Cloud at approximately ninety times the speed of light.

>>8999246
Globalist, pedophile, disgusting madman. Not to be respected.

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Is pic related any good?

>>9007660
bumping for this. What's a synopsis?

>>9000959
Cosmic Trigger 2 has always been my favorite. Better than the other ones (1 & 3).
And Prometheus Rising...

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>>9002086
I liked the part in Promethea where they meet Crowley riding the Camel (Gimel?) back through the center of the Kabbalah Tree back down...

>>9000960
Nah, that was Nietzsche. Crowley canonized him as a saint of Thelema.

Thelemites pray to Nietzsche during their gnostic masses.

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>>9007660
"Lower me down..."

>>9008135
It's a lot about war, if I recall...

I think the only occultist book I've read is Prometheus Rising.
The first half was interesting, the second half was meh.
Intersting read nevertheless,

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>>8999246

Ian Fleming, while in the Royal Naval Intelligence, was instrumental in recruiting Crowley to get Rudolf Hess to drop into England which resulted in his capture and interrogation in the London Tower. I guess the Raiders of the Lost Ark wasn't too far off with the Nazi's superstitions...

He used Crowley as the template for his first villain Le Ciffre in Casino Royale, his first James Bond book (corpulent body and general demeanor). Le Ciffre is French for "the cypher".

"He always struck me as a villain." -- Fleming
(quoted from a foggy memory)

"Rudolf Hess arrived in Scotland on May 10th, 1941, reported in the popular press by May 13th.

PIC: letter from Aleister Crowley to Ian Fleming, May 14 [1941?]"

>>9007600
shame he wasn't American, or he would have been president.

>>9010887
oh sh-

>>9010887
true, good thing we'll have a crowly fantasy land soon enough anyway

>>9003866
That's right, we should only read nice people.

>>9007003
It seemed like an irrelevant detail. But thank you for contributing.

>dude I'm a master wizard, trust me bro
>retard degenerate druggie in reality

What did occultists mean by this?

>>9007660
Best review here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0Yn72QM-lg