Why do Lacanians hate Jung?

>>8960611
Jung doesn't exists outside US universitaria. Just like Derrida

>>8960611
Attempted to make Freud's discoveries safe and appealing to the religious public, Nazi's, Americans; covered over the radicality of Freud; supplemented Freud with imaginary totemism

Third-wave Jungianism with its emphasis on Hegel and dialectics seems compatible with Lacan. I would like to integrate the two.

Because Lacanians are materialistic. Practically all materialists hate Jung.

>>8960649
L O L

>>8961316
bingo

>>8960611

Because Jung realized that Freud was essentially the head of his own self-created cult.

He parted ways with the 'Great Leader' - whereas Lacan pays homage, to the point of suggesting a "return to Freud."

It's not a mystery.

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>>8961316
> Lacanians
> materialistic

Maybe in the sense that they drive fancy cars like Lacan did with his white Mercedes, but that's about it. Lacanians are as idealistic as it gets when it comes to "you can't know nuffin" epistemology and probably hate Jung's speculative approach (which Deleuze loved probably just because it was speculative). Zizek is something of an exception, but he criticizes Lacan's conservative approach to politics while keeping the German Idealist limitations. Lacan had countless priests rigorously attending his seminars as well if that's worth anything.

>>8961746
Well it is materialistic in the sense that they think that all cognitive categories must necessarily be related to some unsolved psychopathology caused by an actual physical event in time and space(Usually when people were children).

Like Freud's Oedipus Complex.

>>8961856
True, they're not idealistic in the sense of holding onto the ontological category of Platonic Ideas or some other metaphysical fundamental entitiy, but the Lacanian Signifiers play pretty much the same role insofar as the mind is concerned. A materialistic psychology would involve, as far as I can tell, actual matter. Not reductionistic biology, but not complete methodological Cartesian separation either.

>>8962098
Fair enough.

>>8962098
>they're not idealistic in the sense of holding onto the ontological category of Platonic Ideas or some other metaphysical fundamental entitiy
Yeah, but Jung almost is, which makes Lacan more materialist in comparison.

>>8960611
economic incentive

>>8960611
What texts should I read before reading Lacan?

>>8964214
Lacan for Beginners, which introduces you to Lacan but also to Freud

>>8961238
Er, no

>>8961856
empirically wrong as for freud