/sffg/ - Science Fiction & Fantasy General

Would anyone recommend Book of the Long Sun?

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Whats some good standalone science fiction? All I've been reading recently is series books.

>>8957237
TUC this summer senpai

In it the consult wins and Kellhus escapes causality and fucks off, leaving humanity to deal with his mess

>>8957434
The Carnelian Cube.

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>>8957434
quite liked this

>>8957434
Embassytown

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>>8957239

Can anyone recommend some military sf with a grounded tone, say something that could almost be an alternate history of a real conflict with a focus on politics and realism over action? I'm trying to write something at the moment that's basically 'space Syria/Chechnya' and I want some inspiration

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>>8957764
You made me laugh.

I haven't laughed since October 2010 when my girlfriend miscarried.

Buy yourself some banana stickers.

>>8957434
For an entertaining post-apoc about religion, dreams, and memory, with surprisingly good characterisation, Tom O Bedlam by Robert Silverberg.

For a PKD novel that reads intriguingly like a Martian soap opera while speculating about schizophrenia and autism, Martian Time Slip.

For something more cerebral that, by its icy prose and surreal post-flood imagery, could leave a mark on you (people who like him, really like him) The Drowned World by JG Ballard.

I rarely read series desu, there is a lot of good standalone SF

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>>8957950
>miscarriage
I-is that you?

Hey, what's some genuinely good portal fantasy for adults?

I've already read all the Amber books and the Magicians trilogy.

>>8958540
The Compleat Enchanter.
Three Hearts and Three Lions.
>>8957510

>>8958540
Dan Simmons Hyperion Cantos features portals extensively but sci-fi.

>>8958547
Thanks.
>>8958555
Might check it out.

>>8958540
Not prime Wolfe but There are Doors is thick with portals

100 pages into The Wizard and I was really shakey about Wolfe when I finished The Knight but now I'm hooked, this thing really is good and holy fuck do I appreciate all the little shit, story feels light and adventurous while still bringing up stuff that most fiction would think of as dark fantasy
I seriously might pick up Book of the New Sun because I've heard good things about it here and it's held in high regard, fuckin thanks /sffg/, haven't felt like this about a story in a while

>>8957434
Timothy Zahn's Flight of the Icarus is pretty good.

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What would be a good series or one off after old man's war? I need to get my sci fi fix.

>>8958760
The Man Who Folded Himself.

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Just finished this. Goddamn, it was good.
Halfway into Marko Kloos' "Terms of Enlistment" and liking it. What's some other good military sci-fi?

>>8958748
>Flight of the Icarus
Are you talking about The Icarus Hunt?

>>8958760
Starship Troopers, Armor, and Forever War

>>8958846
Ignore this

>>8959040
homophobe

From a person who's read a lot by PKD already but not everything, what should I read next: Martian Time-Slip or Dr. Bloodmoney?

Anybody else have trouble getting through the Foundation trilogy? I've read a decent amount of sci-fi and have some appreciation for Asimov, but I couldn't get more than 100 pages into it. It just felt like I was watching CSPAN with spacesuits.

>>8959118
I loved the Foundation Trilogy.

>>8959136
I know at least one person IRL who read it all the way through and really dug it. I really wanted to like it, I just couldn't get into it. Maybe I'll give it another shot.

>>8957805
Could you expand on what you mean by "grounded"? To me that means stuff that's less whizz-bang ooo-rah space marine stuff like Starship Troopers, and more like Hammer's Slammers (mainly drawing off the author's experiences in Vietnam in a tank unit) which is more about actual soldiers at the sharp end instead of the author going on about patriotism and MURICA or whatever.

>>8958866
The Red by Linda Nagata. It's very near future (almost more technothriller "logical applications of DARPA programs") stuff about a team of special forces soldiers, with a rogue AI being the catalyst for a lot of events.

>>8959201
Have you even read Starship Troopers?

So is there any good stand alone fantasy or sci-fi where the girl wants to destroy the universe for whatever reason?

>>8959329
Anime
Or try empress though it isn't standalone (it is if you read the first book). It's about a gril that wants to remake the world for her god.

>>8958555
>>8958633
Portal fantasy refers to the "person from our world goes through a portal and ends up in a magical place" deal.

I'm actually not even sure to what extent the Amber books apply since Corwin is from Amber.

But examples (not all aimed at adults; just here to give you an idea what the term means):

>Narnia
>The Magicians
>Alice in Wonderland
>Neverwhere
>The Phantom Tollbooth

Arguably also the story of Orpheus descending into the underworld.

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>>8959824
So, Thomas Convenant then?

There's also this by Terry Brooks.

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>>8958760
could try the Agent Cormac series

>>8959831
I was gonna say Thomas Covenant but I will add that it's shit. If you say otherwise it's your 12 year old nostalgia reminiscing on your first rape experience. Read as an adult and it's shit(doesn't even hold up well).

>>8959834
>anon gave the shekel and is now shilling Neal Asher on my behalf
Did you read Bv Larson too anon?

Best sci fi of 2016? Best fantasy?

>>8959861
Not saying it isn't was just all else I could come up with.

>>8957406
I would, but mostly just so you can reach Short Sun. It's good, but Wolfe took criticism of complexity to his heart so it's far less evocative, outside of the rare instances of neoplatonic ecstasy. It's an epic with something like 40 important characters, who are all well written, but is missing the intimacy of his other works.
Short Sun on the other hand rivals New Sun, Peace and Fifth Head as his best.
>>8958733
Book of the New Sun is far less adventurous compared to The Wizard Knight. He wrote two decent adventure novels recently, A Borrowed Man and The Land Across were decent. Depends on what you like in him, if you are interested more in his contemplative side Peace, New Sun and Fifth Head are highly recommend, if you want adventure TLA and ABM are decent choices.
>>8959824
The Wizard Knight has a portal and a boy going through.

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>>8959864
>>8958540
Anubis gate
Cabal the necromancer
His dark materials trilogy
Night watch by.. ser(in my pic)
The magicians trilogy
The iron druid chronicles
Jim Butcher
City of stairs
Black Jewels Trilogy
Iron Dragon's Daughter
Perfect state
Quantum thief

>>8959898
For >>8959872
Fucking java emulator crashed

I've got The Thousand Names, Promise of Blood, and The Black Prism sitting on my desk. Which one should I start?

>>8959904
Black Prism

>>8959908
Thanks

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>>8959897
A-aram that you? Happy New year.
Did you like the Wolfe meme I made?

>>8959864
He's in my backlog.

>>8959916
It's not Aram and I don't like your meme.
I am the other prime wolfeposter who was away for months and will probably again go away as this thread and lit in general are still incredibly awful.

>>8959933
Nuuuuu! Don't abandon me to these degenerates.

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>>8959944
>Nuuuuu!

>>8959933
>>8959944
>degenerates.
Have either of you had an urge to fuck a trap?
Would you fuck line trap?

>>8959969
No.
No.

Is 'Red Mars' /lit/?

>>8960008
it's /lit/ af

>>8960057
literally can't wait, I ordered it yesterday.

>>8960063
>literally can't wait
>is waiting anyways
You don't know what that word means do you anon?

>>8960111
You're literally killing me with your faggotry

>>8960111
>literally (adverb)
>used for emphasis while not being literally true.
>"I have received literally thousands of letters"

Gonna power a series. Should it be Red Queen's War, Shadow Campaigns or Long Price Quartet?

>>8960191
Shadow campaigns is the best of the three imo

>>8958866
The Hammer's Slammers series

>>8959201

Yeah, I suppose grounded in that sense but also in terms of going into history, politics, logistics, effects on civilians, all that kind of stuff. As opposed to being exclusively about combat scenes and cool tech. I know something like Starship Troopers has a lot of political chinstroking but the actual war itself isn't really fleshed out that much from what I remember.

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>control + f "bakker"
>0 results

>>8960419
Not sure if something to that extent exists. I'd surely like to read it as well if it does.

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>>8960419
maybe the lotgh translations?

>>8960561

Give me another 500 years of banging my head against a wall trying to research enough to do it justice

>>8960573

I have an autistic aversion to weeb stuff but I'll give it a look

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Shaeönanra did nothing wrong.

>>8960419

Not really Military SF but i thought the Commonwealth Saga did a good job of world building and including a shitload of POVs that give different perspectives on events and the impact of a rapid arms buildup. But its slow to start and the ending is a bit shit. It also goes into history a little but it isnt in depth. You might be better served by reading actual history books concerning wars or individual battles (Antony Beevor's Berlin focuses heavily on the civilians fears for the future and the war crimes by the red army and i think it would help)

>>8960617

Yeah, I've read tons of history stuff from GOAT Beevor narrative type stuff and civilian/military first-person memoirs to dryer strategic accounts, plus reference books on logistics and command/control etc. The problem is now I've shoved all that shit into my head I can't write a basic plot because all I can think about is how fucked you are if you run into the wrong gauge of railway line or something. I don't know whether to carry on using the bits of a novel I've started writing or just accept that it's basically a detail-wank setting and write a bunch of short stories set within it.

I'm starting to realize that I do not much like it when a novel constantly switches perspective because it leaves me in suspense as to what's going to happen next for that character and breaks up my flow. When I'm reading slowly it makes for decent stopping points but I don't always want that.

What are some good books that don't switch perspective too often, if at all?

>>8960707
Try Senlin Ascends. No switches at all.

>>8960707
>a novel constantly switches perspective

Perspective change does not have to equal cliffhangers. You're just reading shitty authors that think they're writing a script.

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>>8960586
LoGH will hopefully make you realize how silly it is to call all Japanese things "weeb" because it was written in the 80s and thus does not fit the stereotypes people tend to imagine when they think of Japanese stuff.

>>8960710
Thanks, hopefully.

>>8960711
I don't necessarily mean it results in cliffhangers but I usually want to see what's next for the character only to turn the page and find I'm now reading about a different character.

>>8960609
Getting exposed was probably not part of his plan

>>8960638
off-topic but for a military history rec Pacific Crucible is top-tier.

>>8960778

looks good, I'll be sure to get round to it

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I admit that I'm too dumb to understand 99% of this book.
Is Permutation City also full of physic stuff and theories? I heard it's better.

>>8957805
You really should read
> Starship Troopers
> The Forever War ( Joe Haldeman )
> Forever Peace ( Joe Haldeman )
> Downbelow Station ( C.J. Cherryh )
in that specific order.
Starshiptroopers gives you a very inside look into a militaristic society, The Forever War expands on that theme from the viewpoint of a Soldier, but also commenting on the militarized society and the effects it has ( but mostly on the alienation of a soldier versus the society he left behind which kept on evolving ),
Forever Peace is down on earth, and ( belying the title ) unrelated to Forever War, but goes more into details of continued war, associated societies and such.
Downbelow Station is mostly a civilian point of view onto a war which has been going on for generations, and how they cope with the resulting fallout of constant warfare, isolation, empoverishment, refugees etc.

That's as far as SF is concerned. There's possibly some more stuff you could read, specifically:
> Three Body Problem ( Liu Cixin )
> The Dark Forest ( Liu Cixin )
> Death's End ( Liu Cixin )
which form a splendid Trilogy. They essentially deal with perpetual warfare state ( as earth needs to progress scientifically but also has this big war going on ), an insane societal pressure applied to humanity. What's great with this is his perspective on things, as to how people deal with such overwhelming pressure applied from above via a gouvernment. ( His perspective here, I found, must be unique as I found it rather Alien. Which is possibly natural, seeing as he grew up in communist china ).

Hope I could be of help! :)

>>8958633
>Not prime Wolfe but There are Doors is thick with portals
No, "Sorcerer's House" is the Wolfe portal fantasy novel.

>>8959897
Wizard/Knight is the very best Wolfe novel by far. 'Home Fires' is also great.

>>8960008
>Is 'Red Mars' /lit/?
If by '/lit/' you mean "aimed and 80 IQ students who think they're hot shit because they sat through some dumb-as-a-brick feminist lecture them about curtains in fiction", then yes, definitely very /lit/.

>>8960548
/lit/ is cucked

Anyway, need some GRI recommendations. I have read almost everything.

Give me some obscure shit.

>>8961069
If all you care about is GRI, just go to /h/ and read greentext. It'll be quicker.

>>8961069
>>8961086
ok, let me rephrase.

Someone recommend adult SF or Fantasy with mature themes and without young adult bullshit.

>no
Sanderson
Rotfuss
Womym
>yes!
Malazan, Game of thrones, Prince of nothing, The quantum thief, Forever war, Dune, Red mars, 3 body problem, Legend of the galactic heroes, Anything by Wolfe,asimov, Thomas covenant etc etc

Of course, I like some more than others, but you get the point. I don't know what else to read...I have exhausted every list in this thread.

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>>8961131
Try this.

Any thoughts on Malazan?

>>8961148
I think I need to man up and get my re-read over with

>>8960970
>Starship Troopers
>Militaristic society
When will this meme finally die? The only militaristic society in ST is the military. Military aren't allowed to vote and high-status families demand their children pick the non-violent option.

>>8961145
Is this the "murder mystery but with mushroom people" one?

>>8961131
Richard Morgan?

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>was gonna read malazan
>woman warriors

just why. I know there are white knight faggots on here but why? If this is accepted then I might as well accept men becoming pregnant in the novel. Oh wait gender roles don't exist duh. Yeah they fucking do. What's the point of having female characters if they are just going to take on male traits?

Any one got books where women are women and men are men?

>>8960970

I know ST and the Joe Haldeman well yeah (>tfw you get back from trapping Zoidbergs in domes and the whole planet is gay). That trilogy sounds really interesting and I hadn't heard of it, thank you.

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>>8961269
hnnggghhhh

>>8961269
>Any one got books where women are women and men are men?

Literally every book ever. A = A is assumed.

If you mean "anyone got books where women are all barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen, eternally making sandwiches and men are all constantly killing things," not any good ones.

I mean, shit, Conan is the archetypal "manly man" and his stories have at least one female warrior.

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>>8961269
1. women warriors, although never the majority, have existed plenty of times
2. fantasy books can have unrealistic things in them.
3. stop being mad on the internet.

>Any one got books where women are women and men are men?
prince of nothing

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>>8961269
>was gonna read ASOIAF
>dragons

just why. I know there are scaley faggots on here but why? If this is accepted then I might as well accept bats having scales in the novel. Oh wait species doesn't exist duh. Yeah it fucking does. What's the point of having lizards if they are just going to take on bat traits?

Any one got good books where lizards are lizards and bats are bats?

>>8961294
>Literally every book ever. A = A is assumed.

Idiot?

He clearly meant right now men are men and women are men with tits

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>>8961269

>woman warriors

Very rare in actual history but not unheard of. If that sort of thing triggers you so badly why read contemporary fantasy novels at all? You seem fragile and easily offended desu.

>>8961337

>>8961269
2bh historical fiction is a better bet. Check out Patrick O'Brian or George McDonald Fraser.

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>>8961337
checked

>>8961352
Just avoid the interwar period since there were women among the non-fascist armies in the Spanish Civil War, and among the Red and Black armies in Russia and Ukraine respectively.

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>>8961325
only 3 women in 3 books
>whore
>stupid concubine
>incestuous old bitch
why does he hate women?

>>8961382
wasn't there a female necromancer?

>>8961397
not in first trilogy i think

I know a lot of people love the Magicians trilogy and a lot of people hate it.

For those who DO like it, what are some other fantasy novels (especially another series of 3-4 books) you'd recommend that are similar?

In particular, in the following areas:

>Characters who are damaged and who fuck up, but who are usually well-meaning and sometimes even heroic.
>Bits of humor without being comedy.
>Willingness to take time to deal with mundane, realistic problems like alcoholism and a couple growing apart, but also intense, exciting action scenes.

>>8961437
Read something good instead.

>>8961437

I don't know, maybe Prince of Thorns

>>8961446
It is good. Eat shit.
>>8961447
I'll look into it. Thank you.

>>8961437
Scott Lynch - Gentleman Bastard

It's tonally not very similar to The Magicians but satisfies those criteria.

>>8961446
I haven't read Magicians but surely there's something you would consider good that fits anon's greentext criteria? Why not recommend it, then?

Is roadside picnic better than the film? I watched the movie and I fell asleep like 30 mins into due to all the slow pacing shots of mundane bs. The philosophical conversations were interesting though... Hmmm

>>8961131
Try reading my diary desu.

I just started Snow Crash and it fucking hooked me.
Any similar SF books?

>>8961382
>Implying esmi isn't the most realistic depiction of modern women in fantasy

I don't remember female warrior being that big of an issue in malazan, and aren't most of the females sorcs anyway?

>>8961596
Lostara Yil , Krughava and Masan Gilani off the top my head. Didn't bother me.

>>8961269
>tfw the female warriors aren't thick, muscular, hairy gals
Fuck all these skinny girls taking huge men on.

What's the closest series I'm going to find to LOTR? Written similarly. Like a 'realistic' adventure.

I'm a sffg virgin, and LOTR is all I've read.

>>8961678
btw, I've read Malazan Gardens of the Moon, and although I enjoyed it, I felt a bit pathetic reading it, like if I were to watch anime, because it seemed like an anime battle-fest. Like I was indulging in a low, shameful pleasure. Like eating a bunch of donuts. I don't want stuff like this.

>reading mistborn after stormlight archive
>loved the latter but find this one gay and dumb
>suddenly get to the point where I realize what the (((ten))) metals stand for and what the relation to stormlight archive is
>everything falls into place and starts making complete sense
DEEPEST LORE, WHAT THE FUCK

>>8961685
Go jack off about Pynchon and other pretentious shit in outer /lit/ then.

Decide for me:

Wheel of Time OR The Stormlight Archive OR Gentleman Bastards

>>8961685
i think you're allowed the occasional donut anon

>>8961697
Gentleman Bastards > Stormlight > WoT

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>>8961540

This is very different but it's another ultra-silly post cyberpunk book that's tons of fun, you might enjoy it and I don't see it shilled around much.

>>8961837
The second

>>8961447
>>8961478
Don't listen to him!
Prince of Thorns is shit! SHIT!!!
Just too juvenile and too edgy for me. In book two 2 wins a sword-fight with a handgun he pulls out of his ass.

As for what to recommend instead, based on your parameters, maybe you should check out:
Lies of Locke Lamora
Tales of Dunk and Egg
The Bas-Lag books, though I don't remember too much comedy.
The Expanse if you're willing to read sci-fi.

>>8961915
>he pulls out of his ass.

Did you not fucking read on? It clearly makes sense

>>8961928
I know where he got it from. Still it felt cheap.

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A few threads ago, someone was asking for the name of a story about a primitive person fighting a ghost, and it turned out to be a hologram inside of a ship, or some such.

What are some other stories or collections of similar stories? I enjoy the concept of the futurism in sci-fantasy.

>>8961966
prince of thorns yet again

>>8961966

I know 40k sets off the pleb alarm round here but there was one really cool short story that started off like a standard fantasy thing about peasant villagers praying for angels to come back and save them from the monsters in the woods, and eventually it turned out to be assault marines clearing 'nids off an uncontacted primitive planet. Simple idea but it was really nicely done

>>8961148
You should read it.

>>8961269
>woman warriors
Soldiers. There's a difference. There's very, very few actual woman warriors in Malazan, and the ones who are actually formidable are either Ascendants or non-human. In fact in one instance where you had a woman fighter going off to fight on the front lines like some kind of bad ass she gets beaten easily and then raped.

Recommend something 2014-2017 scifi books please. I need something totally new.

>>8962195
Embassytown, and I hear good thing about Ninefox Gambit

>>8962216
*just checked and Embassytown's way older than I thought... time flies. Maybe Three-Body Problem instead.

>>8961857
Only the first book and maybe the second. The third was bad. I've got hopes for the fourth though considering that's where he actually wanted to start the series.

>>8962091
What about the Malazan marines? I seem to recall a lot of women in them.
>In fact in one instance where you had a woman fighter going off to fight on the front lines like some kind of bad ass she gets beaten easily and then raped.
I thought it was interesting that he added that, but had lot's of female fighters elsewhere.

>>8961915
>Tales of Dunk and Egg
Are they substantially different from ASOIAF?
>The Bas-Lag books
I've read Perdido Street Station. I remember liking it. Will give the other two a read.
>The Expanse
I'd heard good things about it. Thanks.

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>>8961337
Ironically the "viking warrior women" thing is pretty much entirely bullshit. There's a wealth of historic references to women fighting everywhere else, but for the vikings/norse there's only a reference to a single Norwegian pirate.

>>8962304
he acknowledged the solders. It's "warriors" he disavowed.

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>>8962342
stronk

>>8962344
I guess I don't understand the distinction being made.

>>8962353
soldiers are salaried professionals presumably

>>8962353
Being a soldier is a job, being a warrior is a calling.

>>8962312
>>Tales of Dunk and Egg
>Are they substantially different from ASOIAF?
They are shorter, with a more limited cast - so more condensed, and better for it. The interesting characters and plot enthralled me, even though the setting, Westeros a century before aGoT, comes through as somewhat melancholy in the end.

>>8962361
>>8962368
Oh, honestly I found the number of professional female soldiers stranger than the handful of warrior women.

>>8961269

>Being triggered by a Woman swinging a piece of metal in a direction

wew lad

>>8962443

I'm fairly certain not all of them constantly fighting they had other tasks too didn't they

>>8962344
This is a thing I've noticed in Malazan, I think 95% of the non-soldier female characters get raped at some point but literally none of the professional soldier ones, would have been nice if he mixed it up a bit.

>>8962473

>Females who can defend themselves won't get raped
>The defenseless females get raped

this didn't make me think, your post made me think, and i wrote down what i came up with after thinking

>>8962478
No you dumbass, the warrior ones not in the malazan army got raped all the time, read what I replied to before randomly vomiting your thoughts.

>>8962459
A lot of them were heavies. Only read about them in the context of fighting.

>>8962446
It's a legitimate criticism since there's virtually no historical precedent. Especially this flavour of warfare.

>>8962487

sorry

>>8962495
societies not developing along patriarchal lines somehow? manpower shortages? Don't know.

>>8962501
>societies not developing along patriarchal lines somehow

LIterally never happened

>>8962304
Those are soldiers, not warriors. A soldier specializes in doing what he or she is told and being part of a large fighting force. They aren't really required to be individually formidable. Marines especially so. If you remember, the kit the marines are issued is crossbows and short swords. They are hybrid skirmishers/medium infantry usually mixed in with sappers. So most of the time they're blowing shit up with munitions or taking potshots with their crossbows, not really meeting the enemy head on in pitched battle. In fact I seem to remember most times marines end up having to fight in melee they get cut to pieces. It's only when they have munitions and sorcery to back them up that they're really formidable.

In the Malazan army there's only like one or two women I'd say were real tough fighters, and they were uncommonly large and strong for women.

>>8962473
>but literally none of the professional soldier ones
There was Gruntle's waifu, but technically she was a mercenary. Seren Pedac also got raped and she's a pretty tough chick, though not a soldier. I always thought the main reason none of the Malazan marines got raped is because they're all so nasty, either in appearance or temperment. Cause some of them, like Masan Gilani, are really sexy, but that bitch is like 6'6 and could crack your spine with one arm.

While women were rarely deployed in battle the idea that they were somehow weak and delicate in ancient warfare is bullshit. If they were in the rear area with their kids and their men got btfo they had nothing left but to go down swinging and could often be fearsome in those circumstances.

>inb4 someone calls me a white knight instead of engaging whether it's true or not

>>8962505
I know plus Erikson studied anthropology. I'm only saying maybe he came up with some theory or event for his world.

>>8962518
who was the other sexy Dal Honese?

>>8962533
Flashwit? Or Mayfly? I can't remember who all was in that squad.

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>>8962533

Sinter and Kisswhere who were sisters.

Which books talk about the original Kruppe squad team doing things after the first one
All the whirlwind and super bitchy female cunt worst bitch ive ever read about in second or third one were boring

>>8962524
>Erikson studied anthropology
Suddenly a lot of the stuff in the books makes sense to me. He seemed to really understand longterm societal development and how hierarchies and economic structures are formed.

>>8962560
yea particularly the time scale. I really need to read the Kharkanas shit.

>>8962555
3rd. I'm assuming you're talking about Felisin,.

>>8962570
One of the things I love most about the books is how he'd just describe some interesting tidbit of ecology or how some tribe came to live in a place the way they do. Just pages of anthropological fiction. I bet he had tons and tons of it he didn't even get to put in the books cause he couldn't find a way to fit it.

>>8962577

Yes Felisin fuck her fuck that cunt so fucking much I fucking hated reading her bitchy fucking god damn that cunt I read the book a year ago and I still get triggered so fucking hard when I think about her

>>8962585
For me Deadhouse Gates was the hardest book to finish.

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Who was worse?

Felisin or Shallan?

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>>8962555
You're a lvl away from being a devil.

>>8962550
>>8962533
I have a suspicion that Erikson's favorite ethnicity in his series is Dal Honese.

>>8962618

Literally not even a contest

>>8962618
Felisin was a bigger cunt but she eventually dies so we're rid of her eventually at least. Shallan is more obnoxious than cunty.

Anyone have any Ancient Egyptian fantasy recommendations? Or anything with fantasy bronze age civilization stuff?

Also I'd take Indian/South Asian fantasy recommendations.

>>8962618
Shalan's biggest problem is being bland and that's about it.

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>>8962623
pretty much

>>8962646
My favorite Dal Honese is probably Iskaral Pust, you'd think his shtick would get old but it doesn't.
>many mules have tried to match wits with me, almost all have failed!

>>8962630
still pissed baudin died for the bitch

>>8962662
yea. shit with his wife gold 2bh

>>8962662
Why was he so perfect?

>>8962675
Cause it's impossible to figure out if he's actually insane or not, and then you realize it doesn't matter if he's doing it deliberately because the outcome is so confusing nobody can make any sense of his motivations anyway. Iskaral Pust is the only "mind games' character I can't figure out.

Just ordered Hammer's Slammers. This had best be good, I've been wanting to read it for years.

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>>8961966
Please give more responses. ^_^

>>8962368
>Being a soldier is a job, being a warrior is a calling.

My definition would be that a soldier is a disciplined, professional fighter in the service of a state and bound by the laws of war. Sgt. Zim's speech in Starship Troopers about the controlled use of force to carry out the goals of a state is a great example of this mindset.

Whereas a warrior is somebody who fights for personal gain and glory, and perhaps has ideas of honor that are different from universally recognized laws of war. Think more along the lines of the behavior of mercenaries and knights in the 30 years war and medieval period.

David Drake's "The Warrior" is a excellent exploration of this.

>>8962679
that's a pretty good description

might need to do power rankings for Red Rising's various speeches. Quicksilver's muh freemarket number one.

>>8962632
I think Jemisin's got a series set in an Egyptlike, Moon in the title IIRC.
As for Bronze Age I can only think of one thing (Spirit Walker) and that's a kids series

>>8962696
>for personal gain and glory
or vengeance typically

>>8962662
>>8962668
>when his wife wanted sex and was behaving coquettish
My sides.

>>8962632
anubis gates I suppose?

>>8962681
It's good. If you got the collections I'd suggest reading "The Butcher's Bill" and "The Interrogation Team" stories first. I'd say my favorite full-length story would probably be "Rolling Hot", which is about a bunch of second line and support units getting thrown together into a ad-hoc battlegroup in a emergency.

>>8962668
I love that first scene when they come face to face in Deadhouse Gates, and also where she healed Mappo and he talks about the Woman's language.
>...she stepped back out of the ellipse and began singing in the Woman's Language, which was, of course, unintelligible to Iskaral's ears. Just as the Man's Language -- which Mogora called gibberish -- was beyond her ability to understand. The reason for that, Iskaral Pust knew, was because the Man's Language really /was/ gibberish, designed specifically to confound women.
Dal Honese culture is fascinating.

>>8962750

I'm actually pretty hammered (kek etc) and I'm not sure what collection I actually bought, I think it's the original short story anthology? I don't know how many collections there are

What are some books with main characters like Cugel? Like picaresque rogues?

>>8962775
A while back three volumes got released with everything in the series, as I recall V1 is all the short stories while V2 and V3 contain all the full-length ones, Baen reissued them as paperbacks a few years ago.

The original 1979 collection is good too, it's got 7 of the original short stories.

>>8962838

Ah, pretty sure I've got the 79 one then. That's fine.

>>8961269
Fantasy is FANTASY.

If you're looking for historical fiction, read something else. (and even historical fiction will disappoint your black & white, "people always adhere to gender roles" mentality). Look away from Joan of Arc.

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What are some fantasy works with lots of races? Elves, dwarves, donut steels, whatever. Not a big fan of the 'humans only' fantasy that has been given precedence with Game of Thrones.

>go to library
>search for a bunch of fantasy novels
>0 copies available
>search for harry potter
>390824219075858935 copies available

fuck

you guys have been good to me with the recommendations so far but i reckon it won't be long until i get an absolute turd and i'd rather not pay $15 for it.

>>8962888
at some point you need to go digital

>>8962885
malazan
witcher
acts of caine
bas-lag

>>8962888

I haven't paid more than £3 for a book in years, obscure stuff and reference books excluded. Abebooks alone makes life easymode. Or just pirate if you're not fussed about owning physical copies.

>>8962888
My local library system clearly hasn't pruned the SFF section in a couple decades. There are a lot of bestsellers/books by big name authors from the 80s and thereabouts that have like 4-5 copies, but probably don't get checked out very often any more, a lot of them are "monster of the week" type books about whatever the hot new trend of the year was (Global warming/cooling, overpopulation, alien abduction, etc) and are really dated now.

>>8962944
It's the only media I still give a shit about physical copies for but storage has become an issue plus ergonomically I far prefer the reading itself on an e-reader.

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>>8962966

How many copies of this do they have?

>>8957239
just picked up Leviathan's Wake. Is there a /lit/ consensus on this? Only 3 chapters deep but so far it's decent. It has this snappy, kind-of to-the-point style of narration.

>>8962994
thought it started alright then degenerated into nonsense. Didn't read any others.

>>8962944
Personally I've largely switched to ebooks since I inherited a Kindle, I like not having to deal with tons of paperbacks I'm going to read once and then sell or donate, and I can use physical storage space for rare stuff that will likely never get a digital release like Andrew Offutt's "War of the Wizards" series or J.F. Rivkin's "Silverglass." And my prized copy of "1999: The Texas-Israeli War." (Israeli mercenaries with laser-armed tanks must rescue the US President from the clutches of the perfidious Texans)

>>8962984
None, surprisingly. Two DVD copies of The Omen though.

>>8962994
Good SF pulp, the one where they go to the alien planet with the colonists is probably the worst in the series.

>>8963000
>>8963029
To be fair, I read SF and F when I want to read pulp. I'm not expecting anything spectacular, just wanted a decent series I could delve into. Martin's recommendation of the series pushed me over to trying it, although I do recognise he may have done so as a courtesy (at the back of the novel it says one of the co-authors is Martin's assistant or some shit). Plus the many references to Martin's works (ariadne, dorn, probably more) in only the first 3 chapters kind of destroys any illusion of this being anything other than a 'GoT in space'.

>>8962872
>Joan of Arc.
kek

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>>8962984
I remember being creeped out by the poster for that when I was about 9

>>8963100

There's a scene in the novelisation that absolutely wrecked me at about the same age, the bit where the gribbly eats some campers or something. The way it's revealed and described coming out of the woods scared the shit out of me

>>8962944
I generally pay 25c per. Bit lucky with a local source though.
>>8963023
>1999: The Texas-Israeli War
Kek, I've got that one. Was mildly amusing, but the title is great.

So what rationale does Kellhus have for leaving the situation in Momemn to fester? If he is "mad"/insane and actually loves Esmi to a degree, why risk her life so much? If he doesn't and wants the empire to degenerate into chaos to make his harvest of souls as the new No-God easier, why come back and save her?

>>8961069
>>8961131
Hogg

>>8961352
Colleen McCullough and Mary Renault are also good bets. Though don't expect any fantasy or scifi in them at all.

>>8962872
Not that guy, but then there might as well be an explanation for why something is the why it is. Women soldiers makes no sense in any pre-gunpowder society where males exist, and barely make sense even now. Now, a novel with magicians and shit on the front lines? Great, have women there, awesome. But everybody's hacking around with swords and spears? Nope.

>>8962885
Malazan Book of the Fallen. It doesn't have traditional fantasy races, but plenty of non-humans makeup the cast.

>>8961966
Book of the New Sun.

>>8962501
Manpower shortage, mutation that makes 99/100 births female, whatever makes sending physically weaker individuals that are essential to continuation of the tribe to risk death less of a selective disadvantage. Matriarchs would just send the boys off to war.

>>8962520
Cimbrian women went to battle with their men, hung back with the wagons though. Any man that ran from the battle line was butchered by the women.

it's a someone wakes up and starts replying to a ton of stuff episode

>>8963344
I only did three of those actually.

>>8963263
>Colleen McCullough

Her Rome stuff is in theory on my list. Worth it?

>>8963344

>tfw when post goes unanswered in a thread and someone responds to it in the next thread a day later

Trying to find the name of a scifi story I read a while back, general outline as I remember it:

In the distant future Humanity offers all the various antisocial jerks a free ride out of the solar system on generation ships designed to drop them off in a orbital habitat if it finds a habitable system. One of them eventually passes through a system populated by bird aliens, so the birds send a crew to check it out. Bad news for them is they enter the habitat filled with white supremacist cannibals. One of the birds survives and flees to the other end of the ship where they're rescued by Mennonites who think they're a angel but it manages to tell them otherwise. One of the Menonites sets off with the alien to get it back to it's shuttle and the rest of the story is basically a adventure where they encounter the various other habitats (IIRC including North Korea, xtreme sports fanatics, and a matriarchal version of Goreans) and eventually get the alien back to their ship.

I think maybe it was published by Baen?

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>>8963370
baen?

sorry

>>8963380

I laughed

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>>8963380
>it would be extremely painful, for DRM

>>8963263
Because he realized after the nuke that the ordeal might not succeed, and he might not escape damnation.

Or he used his absence and the empire crumbling as a lure to bring out the last of the rebels and destroy them all in a single attack.

>>8963417
gotta finally read this cuckfest

>>8963263
>>8963417
I'm hoping TUC (when when WHEN?!) will at least explain the nature of his madness.

Aside from assraping Proyas, he still seems like a straightlaced Dunyain. Unless that was also some sort of Dunyain scheme.

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>>8962520
Women are actually pretty weak and delicate compared to men. There are tons of cases in history of women taking up arms to defend themselves (successfully and not) but they don't really have a place as professional soldiers when men are available. Especially not when you remove the semi-equalizing factor of guns.

Getting back on track, how is Guy Gavriel Kay's Fionavar Tapestry? I enjoyed Tigana and The Lions of Al-Rassan. How does it compare?

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>>8963932

None of which contradicts anything I said so I mean, what?

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Genre fiction shouldn't have good prose.

>>8964133
Wait, are you saying it should intentionally have bad, clunky prose that's hard to follow? What the fuck?

What's the hypest sci-fi or fantasy trilogy (or quartet) ever?

I don't mind a slowish build as long as the characters and world are interesting enough from the start to keep me hooked until the story gets going. But I'd really like something that builds up to being really exciting.

I just care that the story is interesting and the characters good

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>Jefferson Pinkard gets cucked AGAIN
For fucks sake Turtledove. Please stop triggering me.

>>8963935
Men have significant advantage over a females strenght wise. They have no place in war. You'd have to be fucking retarded to want to go to war. Women are lucky.

Men are largely disposable, women are not.
men are biologically stronger than women.
And yes I know you are a white knight because what you're defending women for some reason when surely they could defend themselves and don't need a guy in shining armour to stick up for them.

Unless perhaps your a woman...?

>>8964184
go read Ya you pleb. Prose makes or breaks a novel. Anyone can tell a story but if the writing is middle school tier then that's just lazy and down right pathetic.

>>8960922
It s more about computer stuffs not psychic. It's game of life meets ubik.

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>>8961330
Good post

>>8964172
>simple prose = good

wahahaha genre plebs

>>8964247
>...
Fuck off back to >>>/reddit/

>>8959916
I posted just for you. Yes, i like it. It's funny because it is true. My work on Short Sun is now thankfully complete, the crowning glory of mine and Wolfe's divine work.

>>8961065
>Wizard/Knight is the very best Wolfe novel by far.
This is the first time I have ever seen someone express this opinion.

>decide to check out leddit's fantasy board
>brandon sanderson circlejerk
>"diversity" in fantasy
>sjw mod elected for having a vagina
>these are the people you're writing for if you ever get published
JESUS

>>8964388
There's also threads upvoted basically saying "Stop reading what you want. For every white male book you read, you have to read at least one female/black/whatever book."
It's pretty disgusting.

>there is a head on a pole behind you
wtf kellhus

>>8964247

you'll have to try harder than that sonnyboyladdyjim

>>8964325
When is your other book coming out aram senpai?

Tor's articles about new fantasy releases can be hilarious

>Romance, intrigue, and plenty of action are woven into a rich and suspenseful narrative in this powerful YA fantasy. The mixed-race heroine Myra is a Flickerkin and can flicker (become invisible) at will. She hasn’t cultivated or revealed this ability, since Flickerkin are persecuted as potential criminals and spies. When invisible people become tricksters and then murderers, Myra’s Flickerkin heritage becomes a deadly secret, putting her relationship with the leader’s son—and her own life—in jeopardy. Loyalties shift and difficult choices are made before Myra understands who she wants to be.

>>8963898
>TUC when?

June or July. And it was a scheme

>>8964418
Dudes off his rocker

>>8964464
I need to deliver one more essay but the editing and formatting time on this will be negligible compared to the first volume, which needed major overhauling in terms of structure and content. This one I have stayed up on as I went, and even written in ebook format, so once I finish this essay it entirely depends on the cover art and lettering. It got way too long, so vol 2 covers to 2001. It is much stronger than the first volume.

>>8964498
Is this about black people?

>>8964917
nice casual racism

>>8964917
>>8965101
Vague enough to be any minority you like, really - they want brownie points for being "inclusive", but don't actually have the guts to address a specific issue. I've seen better treatment of this stuff in bloody X-Men comics.

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>Internets, we need to talk about fantasy writer R. Scott Bakker.
>Specifically, we need to talk about what he has to say on the subject of women, sexism and feminism in his own work. Which is, frankly, both frightening and creepy as fuck, but made even more problematic by the fact that Bakker considers himself to be a feminist writer (or at least, neither a sexist nor misogynistic one).

uhh oh..

>>8965412
>problematic

there's that word again

>>8965412
criticism continuing to degenerate into evaluating the extent to which a work espouses the approved politics or not.

>>8958555
Orson Scott card has a series, the gatekeeper or gate thief, it's ok, it's fantasy

>>8961184
The only to become a citizen, and thus able to vote is to join the military for almost everyone.
All schools have military veterans teaching a class every single year

Large army bases with dangerous training

Troopers are used as political weapons

After the bugs attack, it's quickly total war

It's not SPARTAAAA but they're pretty militant.

>>8965504
IIRC you can do any sort of "civil service" - the narrative's about military people, of course, but there might be other types we don't see

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>book is described as "action packed"

>>8965508
Is earning citizenship through non-military civil service mentioned within the actual text of the book or was it clarified by Heinlein? I can't recall.

>>8964282
>"good" prose is prose that deliberately obfuscates meaning and makes the reader confused
I see you've drunk deep from the post modernist kool-aid.

I want to give Heinlein another chance. About half a year ago a gave up on Stranger in a Strange Land, where to go if I want to avoid similar experience?

>>8957531
Almost the best fucking book I've ever read.

>>8965591
Good prose is understandable without being simple. Rothfuss is a good example.

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>>8965741
>Rothfuss is a good example.
... of bad prose, right?

>>8965741
Obvious bait

http://www.strawpoll.me/12093282

Answer please. It's important

>>8965789
By checking out peoples opinions outside of goodreads and reading the blurb.

>>8965789
Catgirl cover = Sale

>>8965789
Goodreads might be a good place to start, but when Percy Jackson gets 4.5/5 you know that it's not the end-all-be-all of reviews.

>>8965565
Yeah, it's mentioned explicitly a few times.

>>8957515
I would also rec this

>>8959864
What the what now? Neal Asher's work is infinitely better than Larson's.

>>8965181
Remember that hilarious "save the pearls" one? Where they had a model in blackface for the book trailer?

>>8964911
Whats the latest on the Hugos with no survivors?
What will happen this year? Will you get nominated again?
Will you show Wolfe my meme work? I'm a fan of BoTNS

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>>8965823
What about fox girls?

*Kellhus teleports behind Malowebi*
"Nothing personnel, kid"

And sorry lad, I don't know how to do spoilers.

>>8963360
100% worth it in my opinion, shit is like a history book made interesting. She researched for years before writing a single word so the world she recreates is full of depth and character. Also it starts 10 years before Julius Caesar is even born so you get to learn how awesome that period of Roman history was, and you get three amazing novels before you start getting memed on by Gary Stu Caesar.

>>8963417
>>8963898
Ohhh, great explanations Anons, thank you both. Bringing out the last of the rebels seems great, so of course he used the Probability Trance and determined that it was worth it risking Esmi and/or Maithanet in order to bring Fanayal out and lay down the law/completely affirm his authority.

I'm pretty stoked for what'll happen with demon-headed Malowebi, I was pretty surprised when that happened.

>>8964418
Easy, he doesn't know where the thought that is moving him comes from. It's not his own. He's not one of the Conditioned anymore, because the No-God has spoken to him.

>>8965632
For Us, The Living.

>>8966001
For spoilers you just highlight the text and do Ctrl+S like thus

>>8966001
>Gary Stu Caesar.
Isn't that pretty much historically accurate?

>>8965632
>Stranger in a Strange Land
That was a 5/5 book. What you on? and this is coming from the chartfag

>>8965412

This is a huge problem though

>>8965445

There's nothing inherently wrong with the word, just how it's used by those people

>>8965789
You need to allow me to choose multiple answers.
I do:
>name of book
>cover
Goodreads blurb
>goodreads review
In that exact order every single time.

>>8965990
Isn't a fox closer to the feline family than canine?

>>8965632

Moon is a Harsh Mistress

I want to read something that is really gripping and gives me the feeling "I want to know what's next". Any recommendations? Other than Red Rising.

>>8966006
Thanks my love

>>8966024
Ehhh, not so much. Remember, almost all (maybe all?) of the info we have on Caesar is through letters, essays, etc. that were either approved by or literally commissioned by the Roman emperors. Past Augustus none of them had more than a secondhand version of events, and all of them including Augustus had great reasons to make Caesar look like a god.

I don't deny that he must be one of the most (or THE most) talented Romans ever, but with Gary Stu comes the big dick (you can hear the waves crashing in McCullough's vagina as you read) and a care for the common people that's unrealistic in what is essentially a ruthless genocidal psychopath politician.

>>8965915
They are both enjoyable though. I read both and shill both.
The undying mercenaries are enjoyable.

>>8965990
They're okay, but I'm not sold on manga style covers for books.

>>8966051
Anything by Steven Gould.

>>8964247

They can do stealth missions and plant explosives without getting into conflict, they can have their uses.

>>8964282
Clarity=/=simplicity
Moby Dick and Lolita are easy to understand, while minimulism can easily under describe things.

>>8964247
>implying the right blowjob could not have prevented WW2.

Redpill my on Bakker and the prince of NothinG

Worth reading?
Did he really shill it here?
Is he shilled as a meme like orphans of CHAOS

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>>8966087

>>8966087
No he probably didn't shill it here.

Probably the best of the GRI works, but it's a dark and hopeless world, so don't read it expecting anything else. Probably one of the best horrific evil entities I've seen in fantasy as well

>>8966087
I dropped it because it was all prose and no plot - a modern conceit.

inb4 autist makes new thread right when bump limit happens because of the stevian boogeyman

>>8966215
Buy my book anon

>>8966028
Found it dull and uninspired, trying too hard to be more than simple scify, which it still was.

>>8965412
>like omg so creepy
Fucking women.
>tfw fantasy practically has to be a safe space for SJWs to get anywhere these days

>>8966060
Oh, it is some kind of word manga...
I'm just a man who likes sexy felines on his totally serious SFF books.

>>8966087
Orphans of Chaos isn't a meme.

NEW THREAD
>>8966391
>>8966391
>>8966391
>>8966391

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>>8964282
Anon. Anon you're a faggot.