Get off your ass and pursue struggle.

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Make me.

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>>8869798
stressed out dumb normie scum

The struggle to acquire syphilis?

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But I do.

does a crippling porn addiction count as struggle

>>8870219
stress feels good though. overcoming obstacles feels good too. Like I truly enjoy receiving a test back that I've stressed about for so long with an A. I don't feel good about anything that didn't require effort. And even tests that I get a good grade on which I didn't need to study do not feel as good.

Struggling and failing makes me want to die because I've convinced myself I'm smarter than I am and can't handle being faced with the reality of my mediocrity.

>>8870267
You can only truly appreciate an unruptured colon after being anally pounded by a full-grown stallion. Doesn't mean you should try it.

>>8870258
>crippling
kys

>>8869798
Jerry Spinelli is really good for youngins. I read Loser when I was 10 and had extremely advanced level feels for a 4th grader

>>8870267

>Stress feels good

You are literally the definition of a wagecuck. Congratulations, you're capable of eating shit and calling it gravy.

>>8870286
oh fuck I responded to the wrong thread

>>8870286
i think you're in the wrong thread m8 but can also vouch for stargirl by him

says the guy whose definition of self-overcoming is to affirm explosive diarrhea and blood butt from eating ten pounds of grapes a day

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>>8869798
Will do.

>>8870267
>schoolboy
>thinks he knows stress

after so many hours on my ass being seated is struggle enough

>pursued struggle today
>found it within like five minutes
>struggled for a good hour or so and then struggled some more later

when do the benefits come

when i overcome struggle i only feel good for about 15 minutes and then i come back to suffering, how is that worth it?

I can't even struggle to take a bath.

>>8869798
Why do you always speak in these impossible riddles?

>>8870421
its propaganda otherwise

>>8870421
The real question is why haven't you read Nietzsche yet?

Should OP be obliged to spell everything out for non-readers?

>>8870219
Last man detected

instead of denying my sub-humanity i affirm it and spend the rest of my life shitposting and playing video games in my filthy apartment in contentment

>>8869798

>Get off your ass and peruse struggle.

Now that's more like it.

>>8869798
I struggle with my penis 3-4 times a day.
I'm usually sitting down when I do it though so I'm not sure if it counts.

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>>8870280
underrated post. until now, that is. i have blessed it with an invaluable (You), of which mine are the most coveted.

>>8870219

What's the name of this particular disgusting frog?

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>>8870280
But imagine you did get pounded by the horse and got a perforated colon, but you got treatment and survived. Every day you aren't brutally sodomized to the point of near death will be a blessing like never before.

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>>8869798
You can't spell Nietzsche without Neet. Nothing is more ubermensch than outsmarting and having the slave class subsidize your existence.

>>8871993
Pretty sure I'd just have PTSD Jigsaw

>>8870219

Man, I like having few responsibilities and living off my family. I have what I want, and that honestly isn't much. I enjoy spending time with my dog outside with a cozy fire more than I enjoy going out and spending money. I enjoy cooking with my mother more than eating at a restaurant. I enjoy reading by candlelight in my hand built small cabin. I enjoy hiking with my friends and dog. I enjoy tending my garden.

The things I do barely cost money and I have almost zero stress.

A few years ago my friend wanted me to work and live paycheck to paycheck like him and his wife. They wanted me to leave my house and land for an apartment I would barely be able to afford.

I'm glad I didn't do it. I don't understand how they think that's freedom.

>>8872007
NEETs are almost always terribly depressed and suicidal.

>>8869798
But minimizing pain is a more successful strategy of obtaining contentedness compared to maximizing success.
Like, just go with the flow, man. Let things happen to you instead of seeking them out. Let your life be a flat line of "meh" instead of a storm of contrast between pain and pleasure.
The bottom line will be better overall.

>>8872007
you mean your parents

>>8872163
The government provides my neetbux, friend.

>>8872137
Read "We"

Freddy, I like you, man, your books are fine and yeah you are pretty much right, the problem is that I dont give a fuck
Yesterday, a friend of mine stayed to sleep in my house and when I woke up I got off my ass in 2 secs, because I wanted to be nice to my guess and give her some orange juice
Today she isnt here, and it has been pretty much an hour since I woke up and I've been laying on fetal position looking at the wall
I cant care, man, you go do your struggle thing, Im proud of you, m8

>>8872757
As long as you don't resentfully or fearfully hold the higher men down its a ok by neet-chan

>>8872779
Yeah, Im fine with him as long as he doesnt destroy my house or damages my loved ones in some way

You get off your high horse first

>>8870219
/thread

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>>8870219
>driving to work
>not living in a dense walkable city
How un-/lit/ could you even BE?

>>8872757
I know that feel. If not out of some poorly understand sense of obligation to others I doubt I'd so much as move an inch. I don't want to. I feel nothing but...inertia when left alone...and the only reason I comply with others as much as I do as it's the quickest way to return to my nothingness.

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>>8869798
how about you get off your ass and grow a few inches

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>>8870219
You cannot be unsuccessful without leaching off the success of others, either from your parents or the government. Without either, you would not be relaxed.

>>8873206

bullshit. maintain an inexpensive lifestyle while working minimally. plenty of people do this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9XA8xNcgZg

>>8872137
Minimizing pain only creates isolation until you do nothing but reducing pain out of habit.

>>8873679
Do you have a single fact to back that claim up?

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>>8873213
That is good if you do not want to claim the benefits of society. I am, of course, talking about NEET doing nothing unsuccessful types that think they are above the working slave wage person.

>>8873206
but that's exactly what Ayn Rand did

>>8870267
>A. FUCKING. HIGHSCHOOLER.

>>8873201
Kafka was six feet tall?

>>8873709
Ye and he was from 1880 or something like that

>>8873709
>he thought his neurotic introvert husbando was a manlet just like him
wrong he was a chad with multiple engagements

nietzsche is the true patrician choice

>>8873721
>spoke the manlet
he was just 6'0. You need to be at least 6'2.

>>8873737
shut up you fucking memer i'm being serious

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>>8873758
>he is seriously sub 6'2

>>8873758
I'm being serious too midget

>>8873206
The slave mentality of both groups assures that I can remain 'relaxed' as you put it.

>>8872069
so be a hobo.

2bh im waiting for everyone to turn hobo. then all the system would be collapsed and everything would be good. just kidding. nobody knows how it would be, probably anarchism till communism.

>>8873760
>>8873762
like 3% of the population is 6' 2"

>>8873777
The politicians just tell manlets that, so that all the factory workers don't kill themselves.

>>8873684
lazy fucker arent you

>>8873206
So?

>>8873777
Dude we both know that is not true. You should have eat all your food. Next life o guess

>>8872095
only the shit neets that merely have any self-conciousness, we are talking about concious neets, but those are rare as is everything good in this world

>>8873784
>>8873797
epik, screencapping these posts

>>8872095
so was nietzsche

nietzsche did not have the draw of netflix to contend with tho. if we're being honest

>>8873839
True, any pre-internet philosophers should be dismissed. They just don't know. They can't know.

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>>8869798
>

>>8873839
>>8873906
This is a good point to be honest.

Nietzsche was a chronic masturbator as it was, if he had had internet porn he would have fucked that horse in the street.

>>8873167
but why do you want to return to the nothingness?
i wish my friend could stay forever so i always had to wake up fast to get her orange juice

>>8873776

I like the idea but I do enjoy living in my house. My dog and I are training for SAR (volunteer stuff) so I kind of need a base of operations. I have too much stuff tied to my existence here to just leave it, honestly. Maybe when my mom passes away.

>>8873701
That is irrelevant to my point.

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>>8873765
Which is why Nietzsche, and Ayn Rand to a certain extend, argued that one should strive be above the master-slave morality. To not be chained to any ideology or institution.

>>8873796
So there is nothing to be proud of. There is no strength nor power or victory from leeching off others. You are chained to their well being. If, say, your parents or the government had an economic disaster (parents fired - government in a depression and cuts social security), what would you do? You would fall and possibly die. Because you isolated yourself from struggle and conflict, from obtaining a job and remained content with living with the minimum, you place yourself in a situation where you are dependent on others. Your life is at the whim of someone else rather than in your own hands.

>>8873701
Also, Ayn Rand argued against social welfare, but that does not mean she should not collect what she has paid. Is it hypocrisy if one pays an insurance company and seeks to collect when their house burns down? People who bring up the whole ''but she did it too'' just want to smugly use it as an argument and show that Ayn Rand should have died for her philosophy. Which, ironically, is completely against what she believed. Her life was more important than her philosophy, and thus, using means to protect it is more important than dying for her philosophy.

>>8872069
I too love my family and enjoy spending time with them. Moving out just because that's "normal" seems like the wrong thing to do to me. Why create more problems for myself when my family and I enjoy living together? It's a mutual relationship we have.

>>8874285

Yeah, I think that way too. It would have just created more problems for me and I would have had less freedom than I do now. We have a good amount of land so I can do whatever I want. My friends like my mom too and I feel absolutely zero shame when I tell people I live at home.

I don't see the stigma, honestly. I will eventually get this land, but being a vagabond for a few months doesn't sound bad. I could leave the land in care of one of my friends and just take my dog and go. Hopefully my mom doesn't leave any time soon too, as I actually enjoy spending time with her. I don't get people that don't like their parents either. Unless their parents were cunts and stuff.

>>8874095
>Nietzsche was a chronic masturbator as it was

proofs?

>>8873206
There is literally nothing wrong with stealing from others

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>>8874521
Look at this horse's eyes

>>8874521
ask wagner

>>8874274
>So there is nothing to be proud of. There is no strength nor power or victory from leeching off others. You are chained to their well being. If, say, your parents or the government had an economic disaster (parents fired - government in a depression and cuts social security), what would you do? You would fall and possibly die. Because you isolated yourself from struggle and conflict, from obtaining a job and remained content with living with the minimum, you place yourself in a situation where you are dependent on others. Your life is at the whim of someone else rather than in your own hands.
What does pride have to do with anything?

Everyone in a modern economy is equally chained, an entrepreneur or a wageslave no less than a welfare recipient. They all rely on the system to function. There is no independence within civilisation.

I'm also pretty sure the lumpenproleteriat would do better during a societal collapse than the middle and upper classes.

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>>8871938
The frog of wisdom.

>>8870216
thread should have ended here desu

>>8874630
He truly is wise.

>>8874630

Thanks, this is the picture I know.

Didn't realize it was part of a whole comic.

>want to be tools for society, naming it 'responsibilities' and 'contributions', i.e. I wanna be a functional unit
>get triggered being called tools

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>>8874532
Oh really? So there's nothing wrong with me coming to your house, raping your mother and claiming it as my own?

>>8874621
You make your own independence within the confines of civilization or you live outside of it.
It's that simple.

>>8873679
resonates with me anon. though that's probably due to the avoidance of social interactions as per your description.

>>8873679
i agree anon. your description aptly applies to personal epereince

>>8876671
It would be mean but not "wrong"

>>8873206

All successful Capitalists and Socialists consciously leech more off people in one day than all unemployed people do in one year.

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>>8877195
If that is not wrong, then you have no objections. So shut your mouth.
Come on nihilist, open the front door to your house and let me rob you blind and claim everything you own as mine.

I bet you're a Strinerfag who thinks property doesn't matter and the only thing that matters is your own power to protect it. And that if my power is above yours, then therefore it is right to steal it, right?

Fucking nihilists, I swear.

>>8877254
No, that's crony capitalist. There is a difference.
Is a farmer that blows the field, then sells his crop leeching off anyone?

>>8873701
>Ayn Rand
who is this bitch? Everyone keeps dropping her name everywhere.

>>8876671
>You make your own independence within the confines of civilization
Literally impossible.

>or you live outside of it.
Literally impossible.

>>8877195
mean is wrong

enjoy eternity in hell :)

>>8874630
I mean, I get the idea of hanging out and doing nothing but not even taking a shower or changing your clothes? having cardboard as furniture, being a frog and still having flies buzz around you?
I could never live like this.
I couldn't ever live like that.

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People don't seem to understand that there is a difference between undue suffering that is visited upon an unwilling subject, or suffering that you willingly bear yourself.

The first category is called tragedy, the second is called being brave.

>>8877593
Why do people buy jeans like this? the material feels so shitty and they don't look good on anybody.
I always thought something like suffering was a man made concept, and therefore could be abolished by man.

>>8877501
>literally impossible
You want to back your claim up, comrade?

>>8877627
>I always thought something like suffering was a man made concept

Cancer, rabies and AIDS aren't man-made.

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>>8874274
If there was a legitimate depression then jobs would be at risk anyway you stupid shit

>nietzschefags are this dumb

>>8877635
>implying cancer and AIDS weren't made by the government to kill poor people

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>>8877909
No you fucking idiot, you're looking at it through collective and societal lens rather than individualistic. If you have a good job, even if the market goes into a depression, then you would be fine, but if by relying on your parents or the government, your life and well being is in their hands and you might be entirely fucked.

You think that a depression would automatically put all jobs at risk which is fucking retarded. My point was that if there was an apocalyptic scenario and your parents lost their job, you couldn't maintain a NEET lifestyle. You bind yourself to them and hope that nothing will go wrong.

Let's change the problem. When your parents retire, what will you do if they decide to go in a retiring home and do not give you any of their hard earned money? Then what?
Again, you weaken yourself by leeching off them.

There is no strength of victory from leeching off others and you are hoping that you will be comfortable as long as possible until life fucks you out of nowhere.

>Schoppy
>the guy who lived off his parents fortune and then spent the rest of his life bitching that life was suffering because he had no goals in life

>>8877627
>You want to back your claim up, comrade?
Within civilisation there is no independence, and living outside of it is not a legal possibility. All the land is owned.

>>8879140
Space isn't owned you idiot.

>>8879226
>independence in space

alright lad, enjoy your homesteading on mars

>>8878256
How is a job not just another form of welfare? In order to truly exhibit will to power you need to go innawoods

>>8873704
Could be in university. I got letter grades when I went.

>>8879306
How is a job a form of collectivism?

>>8879369
>collectivism
I meant welfare*

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I tried getting good at halo 5 at failed miserably

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>>8873201
>>8873709
>>8873737
>>8873760
>inches

>>8872063
Read books on not being a birch then. Problem solved.

>>8870390
Well you got to claim to Nietzche you struggled like he asked you.

>>8870231
It's time for a struggle… a class struggle.

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>>8873206
>>8873689
>>8876671
>>8877344

Spook.

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>>8880048
Striner has nothing on Ayn Rand nor Nietzsche.
You can tell that Nietzsche and Ayn Rand sought to overcome Nihilism while Striner wallows in it then claims he is free.

Just look at your image. It somehow assumes that acting according to your self interest and working for your boss as well as respecting property rights are mutually exclusive. How stupid is that?

It is Strinerfags that are the most spooked. Because they follow the ideology of Striner and spooks, they have deluded themselves to not follow any ideology or moral concept but their own ego. This, to them, gives them the illusion of freedom by embracing nihilism.

They are binded by spooks and, in turn, become weaker by isolating themselves from all spooks by refusing to accept any of them. They cling to Striner and nihilism for strength but it is only cowardly. They fail to understand that a spook is a spook in of itself. If you claim that everything is a spook and use that logic to not commit to anything, then you have effectively spooked yourself with spook.

Strinerfags misunderstand the singular principle of Nietzsche when he argues that on the road to becoming an Ubermensch, one should not be binded to an ideology, even Nietzsche's philosophy. Strinerfag, by judging everything as spooks, have forgotten that fact and have become weaker by chaining themselves to it. Strinerfags are spooked and know nothing.

This is why with Striner, you can be spooked for getting married, but there's nothing preventing your from actually embracing spook and marrying if your ego wills it. When you are permitted to do anything and everything, then you advocate for nothing. Similar to how you can work for your boss and respect private property rights if it follows your own rational self interest and works to your benefit.

Strinerfags would think that because working is a spook and property rights are a spook, they should not commit to either of them. By accepting the notion of spook and isolating themselves, they have become weaker for it. If working for your boss who pays you well is in your best interest, but you decide not to because it is a spook to work, then you have not followed your rational self interest and are bound to a spook.

Ayn Rand would click the button on the left but Strinerfags are so self deluded with nihilism they think Ayn Rand argues only for working for your boss rather than your rational self interest. If working for your boss is a dead end job and offers no advancements, and you think you can do better somewhere else, then you should leave.

Hell, in the Fountainhead, against her own goddamn philosophy, it ends with Howard Roark destroying private property for his own rational self interest because the building he secretly designed was bastardized. Admittedly, he should have gone to prison for breaking the law, but it shows that even Ayn Rand believed that one should follow their own rational self interest above property rights.

>>8879247
You should be more accurate in your terminology then.

>>8880426
Embarassing

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>>8880551
Spook'd

>>8874095
almost every man is a chronic masturbator insofar as he can't really stop

>>8872007
>outsmarting
NEETs usually fall into that lap of luxury. There's no cleverness involved.

>>8880426
My God!
Pure Ideology!

>>8880426
Ayn Rand is the single worst piece of garbage that has ever been written.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/goodletters/2012/10/the-unbearable-badness-of-ayn-rand/

>>8880426
At the end of Atlas Shrugged the main characters form a commune. Rand was literally a communist.

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>>8881360
>>8881373
>zero rebutal
>meme quotation and links to someone else's criticism
Such spooks.

I'm surrounded by morons. Come on /lit/.
I'm arguing from a Nietzschean perspective and you have nothing.

>>8881379
No, they form a society of individual. Fuck off.

>>8881388
>No, they form a society of individual. Fuck off.
Where each individual works cooperatively with people that share their cultural values and work towards communal goals. Each is free to pursue his own interests which often work to meet the needs of the commune. There is no need to generate exports because they need no imports, currency is only necessary within the group and is divided up efficiently according to the needs of the community. Those deemed by the community to be the best distributors of resources are democratically chosen to distribute the resources based on feedback from the community. The system as described is a democratic commune.

>>8881388
Wait are you the pro or or anti Stirner fag? Because I could have sworn I heard spooks.

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>>8881396
>Each is free to pursue his own interests which often work to meet the needs of the commune.
>to meet the needs of the commune

That is collectivism dribble. Nowhere is this found in her books. Stop talking falsehoods. Repeating your own words does not make it true. The one true rule of their hidden society is that they are not allowed to 'give' to others. Work for your own self interest, not for society itself or the commune. The beneficiary of helping yourself, which helps your tribe in turn, is not collectivism. This is a failing on your end, not Ayn Rand.

Anyways, I am not here to defend Ayn Rand nor do I have any interest in defending her book or characters. You have misinterpreted her and are purposefully spreading misinformation.

If you have nothing to say, then don't say anything at all.

>>8881405
Does it matter? Of course it does. It helps you categorize the world and myself easier. I am neither a pro nor an anti Stirner. I merely see merit and failings of his philosophy and ideology. However, as I have stated, those who value Stirner fail to understand that a spook is a spook in of itself and a core failing of his philosophy.

If you have a rebuttal to what I have said, I will gladly hear it.

>>8881431
>That is collectivism dribble. Nowhere is this found in her books. Stop talking falsehoods. Repeating your own words does not make it true. The one true rule of their hidden society is that they are not allowed to 'give' to others. Work for your own self interest, not for society itself or the commune. The beneficiary of helping yourself, which helps your tribe in turn, is not collectivism. This is a failing on your end, not Ayn Rand.

It was in their interest to alleviate the material needs of themselves and their neighbors simultaneously as this was the most efficient use of the resources the community possessed. Just because they made some pact that what they were doing was spiritually dignified does not make it so. The means to achieve prosperity for the community was collective action, just because each member of that community came this conclusion on their own does not mean it was based on individual effort. You can't seem to see the forest for the trees.

>>8881449
I have nothing more to say to you.

>>8881457
Not an argument.

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>>8881492
>meme speak
You fail to see the trees by looking at the forest from afar.

The prosperity of the community was done by individual action, not collective. That is where you are wrong. You bullshit by saying
>just because each member of that community came this conclusion on their own does not mean it was based on individual effort.
as a way to invalidate individualism.

You are wrong and there is nothing more to say if you are so stuck looking with collectivist lens that you are unable to acknowledge individualistic action. You see only the ends rather than intent. Only results rather than personal drive.

You are a spook and nothing more.

>>8880426
You were in that Kotor thread on /v/ weren't you? You were wrong about Stirner there too.

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>>8881504
Saying I'm wrong doesn't make me wrong, pleb.

>>8881506
There's no point in refuting you, I can tell you have a rudimentary understanding of every philosopher you have named.

>>8881502
The individual is a spook. What you assume is the independent will of some gheist is merely the sum of the attractive and repulsive forces exerted on a single body (of variable size) mixed with those fundamental properties that make us human.

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>>8881514
As I said, if you have nothing to say, then don't say anything at all. If you have a rebuttal, I will gladly hear it, but you have nothing but namecalling, misinformation and refusing to even give a proper answer to what I have said.

>>8881518
Oh, not bad, the ego itself is a spook, an automaton without volition. However, existence exist, even if you deny it. A person does exist so long as it is aware of existence. All you have done is deterministically decompartmentalize humanity into its rudemental parts without describing what makes us human.

Always interesting to see nihilist collectivist out of the woodwork to reveal their true intentions.

What makes us human is our volition and ability to use our will to exert power in a way that seems as though we are above causality when it is simply another aspect of causality. The distinction of what we are able to use our will within the limitation that bind our will is what makes us an individual and is the basis of all of civilization.

>>8881506
Doesn't make you not wrong, either, faggot

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>>8881535
It makes me right until proven otherwise. Faggot.
Theorizing is the process of creating models until we become as close as possible to the truth. Just because I am not wrong doesn't mean I am not right.

ITT: Children think working and talking to people is a "struggle"

>>8881951
All conflict is struggle. And all struggle, to an extend, is conflict.

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>>8882005
Thanks for contributing nothing, idiot.

>>8879374
Can you produce your own food? No? Then you're a leech. something like 36% of all corporate jobs are technically redundant.

I hate struggle but I love ass what's the diagnosis doc?

>>8882459
Open your heart and ass will follow.

>>8882463

Open your ass and ass will follow.

With the capitalistic system going through another big crisis right now and even having to mobilize (neo-)fascism to keep the masses from turning against the capitalists we won't be far from socialism becoming a viable option again. I see people already gaining class consciousness left and right and warming up to the idea that socialism is perhaps not this demonic thing US propaganda has fed them over years.

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>>8882494
>t-trust me guys it'll work this time!

>>8882512
I'm not a communist, I'm a socialist. Generally socialists are critical of historically communist regimes, as they see those as state capitalism at best.

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>>8882512
Man, either go back to /pol/ or shut up and learn something.

>>8882144
You know nothing of economies, trades or even capitalism.
If a farmer produces food and you offer money for his services from doing a menial job that benefits someone else, then it is not leeching off anyone.

Even marxist are not as stupid as you are.

>something like 36% of all corporate jobs are technically redundant.
Citation needed.

>>8882144
Seriously, an exchange of goods is not leeching.
This is something people have understood since the dawn of civilization.

>>8882512
Other than Pol Pot, most people who get murdered under communism deserve it.
Plus,
>implying capitalism doesn't kill people

Niggers like to brag about how tough and savage they are, or about crimes they commit; whites like to brag about their loving families, fulfilling careers, and prosperous communities.
Around blacks never relax.

>>8882144
Exchanging goods is fine, what Marxists argue is that currency should function only for exchange of goods. It is important to know that Marx considered the desire of currency for its own sake was foolish because the value of any object is not determined by its price but by the labor put into its creation. Note also that this does not mean an object that requires more time to create is more valuable than another, rather it is the work in terms of energy required for its crafting which determines its value.

Many jobs in society are actually redundant and could be eliminated while others should be deemed more necessary.

>>8882936
Really makes you think...

>>8869798
Shut up, uncle Friedrich, you're drunk.

>>8882936
I'm white yet I'm a scumbag, and proud of it.

>>8883763
>inb4 no true scotsman