What's he up to these days?

I think professor is a pretty cool guy, eh btfo SJWs and doesn't afraid of anything

>>8865217
Preparing to get fired for being a hateful bigot.

>>8865217
I'd be sympathetic to /pol/tards if they actually found an intelligent academic critic of Identity Politics, instead they just made a wagon out of the first professor they seen getting shouted at by trannys

>>8865235
Why do you find his criticism unintelligent?

>>8865235
In all fairness, he does seem to understand Nietzsche pretty gud.

>>8865232

>Reason and calm well constructed argument = hateful bigotry
No wonder people hate you

>>8865243
"Freedom of Speech" is a dull analytic argument foundation. We know thats a secondary part of this issue

>>8865235

Actually I was watching Peterson's lectures way before this stupid shit with the SJWs started. He's been putting his college lectures on youtube for a few years now

>>8865235
>Identity Politics
You mean a lefty? Peterson is quite intelligent and his thoughts are traditionalist although not radically so.
>>8865281
I only got to know him because of the controversy but I found his ideas, lectures and interviews much more interesting than the wrongthink witchhunt.

>>8865281
I enjoy him for his lectures too. I don't really care about this tranny drama cause I don't have too strong an opinion either way. I think maybe Peterson is being a little brash but I don't necessarily think he's wrong.

>>8865302

He's only being brash because his Job is at stake and he doesn't want a repeat of the horrors of the early-middle 20th century and he just sees what's going on in Canada atm as baby-steps in that direction

He's a bit of an alarmist, but I don't see why anyone cares about him all that much, whether they're really mad about him or whether they think he's a hero. All this pronoun stuff is extremely low stakes for every party involved, whether they'll admit it or not.

Outside of that, he has some interesting interpretations of mythology and probably some valuable work in psychology, but that's about it.

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>>8865355
>hehe guys sjws arent that much of a problem come on now

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>>8865366
Ignore the carnage, political suppression, media collusion, ideological takeover of the universities and all that. Progressives are totes not a threat at all. Just like smoke some weed and relax brah.

>>8865366
I'll admit he's right about feminism and women's studies departments. His defense of traditionalism is retarded though, and the pronoun law in particular just doesn't really matter

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>>8865387
>hehe who cares about leftists shitting all over the word and more importantly spirit of freedom, adventure and inquisitivity our ancestors raised our culture with lol, words are dangerous and damaging so we must limit ourselves

>>8865385
It's important that we keep all of the terrorism in the brown countries and outside of the white countries, because white people are more important

>>8865399
Are you saying white people should govern muslim countries and teach them not to kill people? Didn't work so well last time we tried that.

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>>8865399
White people don't blow people up or run trucks through crowds. I'd argue they're more valuable.

>>8865397

please delete this photo

>>8865423
White people have done that before. And the vast majority of brown people do not dot hat.

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>>8865428
I don't recall many Christian suicide bombers. Can't think of a single one actually.

Anyway, are you saying arabs are worth more than Europeans? Why should we flood the continent with an obviously hostile population? It's pure madness. I don't actually care that much about race even though I want to keep racial cohesion and ethnic stability, what matters much more to me is faith, culture and ideology.

Now if they want to blow themselves up in the middle-east then that's their issue, liberals taught me that colonialism is bad and that every volk should be self governed so it's up to them to solve it. Now if Christians which to seek refuge here then I have nothing against that, don't care what race they are.

>>8865355
>but I don't see why anyone cares about him all that much

Because we need as many people as him as possible speaking to a large audience. We're drowning in ideology here and noone seems to raise the alarm, all they want to do is play the opposite identity politics of the 'other side' and claim moral superiority.

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>>8865449
>I don't recall many Christian suicide bombers

You don't need suicide bombers if you have an actual military at your disposal

>>8865397
The pronoun law isn't going to limit anything other than how you're supposed to address people if you work in the public sector

>>8865456
the invasion of iraq by the US was bad
the invasion of europe by muslims is also bad

>>8865457
>first they came for the public sector workers

>>8865456
>This kike puppet here is totes a Christian warlord

>>8865457

That's not the point. This law is a test run to see if anyone will protest from having their speech controlled. The left-wing ideologues are going to just chip-chip-chip.

It's subtle but there's a huge fucking difference between creating a list of things you can't say to creating a list of things you have to say or face criminal charges. Just think about that for a moment.

>>8865399
>Human life
>Having some sort of inherent and equal value

You have to try harder than that to justify your positions.

>>8865478
Technically you won't have to use their pronouns. You just can't use pronouns that aren't theirs.

>>8865457
You are forced to partake in the delusions of people who ought to be in mental hospitals. It's pure insanity.
>>8865486
>You don't have to address me as Your Highness Emperor Napoleon, you just can't address me as anything else~

>>8865470

>not realizing the zionists and the filthy rich politically involved christian ideologues are part of the same club

They both want Israeli supremacy in the area, its just that their motives differ, but don't fool yourself into thinking they're not the best of friends.

>>8865492
I doubt any true Christian ideologue would want war and instability anywhere. It's just something that's politically expedient to call yourself in America. Saudis and Jews can go fuck themselves, as can the Amerikwan establishment.

>>8865483
That is how I feel about human life, honestly. I'm sorry you disagree.

>>8865489
Transgender people and people who prefer not to identify with a gender aren't insane.

>>8865512
>Transgender people and people who prefer not to identify with a gender aren't insane.
[citation needed]
Unless you radically alter the definition of mental illness they fit like a glove in that category.

>>8865509
no true scotsman

>>8865523
It doesn't necessarily cause suffering or hinder your ability to function, which is what mental illnesses do.

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>>8865355

>All this pronoun stuff is extremely low stakes for every party involved

Unless you live in Canada, in which case you'll have the law on your ass for using the wrong ones.

Anyone want to see the Canadian approach to free speech? Pic related, it's a riot.

>>8865525
Not at all, it goes against the religion and flooding the west with sheepfuckers also isn't very high on the Christian agenda.

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>>8865486

>Technically you won't have to use their pronouns. You just can't use pronouns that aren't theirs.

What did he mean by this?

>>8865541
You can just use their name.

>>8865533
That's just your interpretation of the religion.

>>8865531
>It doesn't necessarily cause suffering or hinder your ability to function
Actually it does both, as does homosexuality but to a lesser extent. If it was a mental disorder which did not lead to suffering then why all this ruckus about having to use their made up bullshit words? Why even try to be something they're not if they are alright in their current state? Transgenderism stems from deep mental issues which ought to be addressed by a psychiatric rather than be acknowledged and affirmed by the rest of society.

>>8865355
>alarmist

Considering the state that Canada is in I would not say it's alarmist at all.

The one thing that annoys me about Peterson is that he doesn't go the extra step and point to our Charter of Rights and Freedoms as the real problem in this country. It has done us so much harm to replace the bottom-up common law system with the top-down code law system. When I tell people that I would like to see the Charter abolished they imagine me as some sort of authoritarian dictator when the great irony is that the Charter is inherently authoritarian because it took away our common law rights by declaration, and then decided which rights it would confer back to us (which left out property rights, free speech, etc.) Then I ask them, do you think Canadians didn't have rights and freedoms before 1982? They are always struck dumb.

The whole thing is a farce disguised with sweet sounding language.
>muh rights and freedoms!
but very few Canadians understand that we underwent a total regime change and irreversibly changed the course of this country from what the 1867 BNA Act wanted for us.

>>8865548

But what if they identify as Two Spirit/etc, in which I can't ask "What is your name?" as I would have to ask "What is their names?"

I'd be guilty of hate speech for trying to find out.

>>8865563
It only applies to gender.

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>>8865532

>Truthful statements can be presented in a manner that would meet the definition of hate speech, and not all truthful statements must be free from restriction..

Seriously Canada?

lel I trool /lit by posting ideologue only teenagers would be impressed by, you all mad

>>8865556
A lot of transgender people seem to get along fine from what I've seen. I agree that some of them care too much about pronouns, though.

>>8865550
No, it's THE interpretation.

>>8865568

Two Spirit is a gender.

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>>8865532

>That pic

>>8865574
>from what I've seen
Shooting spree killers also seem fine to people until the moment they snap. In the case of trannies they most often kill themselves though. If you think that's just fine and dandy then I suppose we are done here but I do not think so and that they are healthy which is why I oppose it being socially accepted as something that's okay. If you're not just baiting how about you read this thing written by a homo supporter which lays out how we came to this point:

http://www.c2cjournal.ca/2016/12/not-my-rights-movement/

>>8865397
Jesus Christ is that photo real?

This guy is kind of getting too deep into the Anti-SJW corners of the internet. It's cool if you want to be an Internet Intellectual but even the Hitchens bros wouldn't talk to Joe Rogan for three hours or make an appearance on Louder with Crowded.

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>>8865532

The Supreme Court is packed with professional sjws. For most of our history the Liberal Party has been firmly in charge and boy does it ever show. For example affirmative action "rights" are written into the Charter of Rights and Freedoms i.e. the Canadian constitution. It's literally unconstitutional to complain about affirmative action.

Imagine if elementary school teachers formed a junta to rule a country and you have Canada in a nutshell.

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>tfw a crossdressing faggot tells me he's a woman and I have to respect his mental illness

>>8865613
Jesus. The day doctors start getting fined for refusing to give teenagers hormone blockers is the day I move to Ireland or Russia

>>8865531
41% of trannies have attempted suicide. The majority suffer from clinical depression and a slew of accompanying mental issues. If that doesn't qualify as hindering one's ability to function, I don't know what does.

>>8866126

Yes. Everything you see on the internet is bona fide.

>>8865399
It's important not to import third world problems into our countries.

>>8866809
They shouldn't be our countries. They should be everyone's countries.

>>8866892
wouldn't it be a tad crowded

>>8866903
not really, see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_iNRGac_uM

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>>8866892
>should

>>8866907
I mean that was fun but that has no bearing on reality at all

>>8866932
> no bearing on reality at all
Welcome to the world of liberal logic

>>8865235
What the fuck does /pol/ have to with peterson? Hes a fucking lefty.

>>8866959
He's actually stupidly centrist to be fair

I'm friends with his son, maybe I'll get to meet him one day :3

>>8865235
/pol/ isn't a person

>>8866985
YOU're not a person

>>8866959
>Hes a fucking lefty.
Actually he's mostly apolitical and anti-ideology.

>>8867568
>anti-ideology.
The fuck does this mean, that he agrees with your basic tenets?

>>8867579
Please contain your autism, Zizek.

>>8867579
>anti-ideology.
What a meme, this is what religious people describe themselves as when they're pretending that their beliefs aren't a form of ideology.

>>8867579
>>8867615

Peterson says that ideology essentially acts like a parasite attached to religious thought. Ideology is how 160 million people die in a living hell in 2/3 of the 20th century. There is no such thing as innocuous ideology.

>>8865355
>He's a bit of an alarmist
what's that shit about frogs and boiling water? yeah just wait until the situation becomes completely terrible to voice your concerns, good plan. also a good alarm alerts you to danger before it becomes dire. you don't want your smoke detector going off after your house has already completely ablaze.

>>8865399
Your own group is always more important.

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>>8868321
Our spokesfrog was almost starting to boil. The water is already scathing hot.

>>8865217

really wish he wasn't a leaf, i find it too difficult not to hate him because of it.

>>8865280
b8 m8 r8 etc

>>8865457
Nazi Germany didn't happen overnight.

>>8868450
he's the only leaf worth saving from the day of the rake desu

>>8867932

I'm stupid, what are the differences between religion and ideology?

>>8868979
Ideology never tells the entire story. Try to tell a radical feminist that the supposed society(e.g the patriarchy) we live in that she hates so much, is also the society that gave her a roof over her head, an ability to take a shower everyday, never having the need to go hungry and gave her a university education, and see how she reacts.

>>8869016

How is that different from religion?

>>8869042
It's different from religion, if you are talking about religion in broad strokes.

Fundamentalist religious people commit the same mistake. They essentially ideologize their religion.

But very few religious people are in practice as ideological as a revolutionary Communist, or a Nazi.

>>8869053

That's probably because you only notice the committed ideologues. A lot of people say things like "I could be considered a communist/socialist/etc, yes" and never go beyond that.

>>8869058
Yeah, but the point is that everyone believes in something.

And the goal is to believe in something that represents the world to the best of your ability, and then it becomes extremely problematic to believe in only one side of a story, such as a Communist ignoring the fact that workers can be extremely successful and earn a lot of money in a capitalistic system, or a Nazi ignoring the fact that people of different ethnicities and races can co-exist fine in the same space.

>>8866985
It basically is

>>8869064

>Yeah, but the point is that everyone believes in something.

I agree.

>And the goal is to believe in something that represents the world to the best of your ability, and then it becomes extremely problematic to believe in only one side of a story,

This could easily be applied to religion too.. I really can't see where religion ends and where ideology begins.

>>8866181
he posted a link to a /pol/ thread on his twitter feed just a few weeks ago

>>8869079
>I really can't see where religion ends and where ideology begins.

Well I tried to give you an idea.

I can do another.

Take some politician in America who has made it his sole political goal to outlaw homosexuality and abortion.

Now think about that for a second, he has read a select few passages in a book of at least a thousand pages, and turned those into a political ideology.

I think this is the wrong way to be doing politics. And I also think it's a wrong way to be doing religion.

>>8869097

I mean, this just seems unusually convenient for the religious. They get to define religion as universally good and brand the "bad" parts as ideology.

Not to go off track but homosexuality and abortion WAS highly inappropriate shall we say. What you're saying is basically that billions of people were(and are) ideologues who don't see 'the whole picture' because they oppose homosexuality and abortion directly because it contradicts the teachings of the Bible. This does not seem like a reasonable definition to me.

>>8869116
>What you're saying is basically that billions of people were(and are) ideologues who don't see 'the whole picture' because they oppose homosexuality and abortion directly because it contradicts the teachings of the Bible.

Yes, and that is what I am saying.

If abortion and homosexuality is the most important things to you where politics is concerned, be my guest, but I think you are misunderstanding your religion if you're doing that, because there's literally thousands of other parables of importance and wisdom in that book that has literally nothing to do with politics.

>>8869137
>>8869097
Abortion is a very political issue because it has to do with the rights of the mother vs rights of the unborn and our collective morality as a society. It's a proxy for how we treat our weakest and most vulnerable citizens.

Religious ideologues do get involved and the topic of abortion is often used to devalue political debate but it comes up so often because it seems to strike a nerve in everyone

>>8866959
He's absolutely not

>>8869158
Well homosexuality and sodomy used to be hot political issues too, as did whether or not women should be allowed to vote, but both of these things were settled decades ago, and only the most reactionary right-winger brings them up now.

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>>8869137

Well, that's your opinion. I was afraid I'd derail the thread with that bit but there you go.

If a woman has a forced abortion, that's murdering the kid. If she aborts herself it's perfectly fine. That is pure ideology.

You're also making it seem like people were thinking about homosexuality and abortion all the time which is completely wrong and probably consciously misleading.

In many countries, homosexuality is seen as a sexual deviance, similar to how necrophilia and pedophilia is seen in the West.

>>8869210
>If a woman has a forced abortion, that's murdering the kid. If she aborts herself it's perfectly fine.

Yeah, and how is this ideology exactly?

If anything it is the perfect opposite of ideology. Ideology would be to control a woman's reproduction cycle through arguments from tradition and violence.

>>8869228

Killing is killing regardless of who does it.

>>8869236
No, it isn't. Literally nobody believes that, not even Christians.

>>8869246

What?

>>8869252
Ask the Christian soldiers in the U.S Army whether or not they consider killing civilians and soldiers in Iraq was morally justified or not.

>>8869263

Alright then.

this question is still valid >>8868979

>>8869285
No, it isn't, as I explained here >>8869137

>>8869294

And I responded here >>8869210

>>8869303
Yeah you responded. But you didn't explain or say anything other than "nuh uh".

>>8869316

If that's all you got from that I don't know what else to talk about. The question remains.

>>8869339
You said the following:

>"You're also making it seem like people were thinking about homosexuality and abortion all the time which is completely wrong and probably consciously misleading."

Which isn't my point at all. I am saying to the extent that they DO think about it and make it their political struggle, they are ideologizing their religion.

Why aren't they taking "Love thy neighbor as thyself" and making that a political statement instead for example? No, because they are ideologizing, and don't care.

>>8869348
>Which isn't my point at all. I am saying to the extent that they DO think about it and make it their political struggle, they are ideologizing their religion.

I would say it's the exact opposite. Nobody thought of homosexuality or abortion until leftists came and shook things up. Those things were simply not appropriate.

>Why aren't they taking "Love thy neighbor as thyself" and making that a political statement instead for example?

"They" do. AFAIK The Catholic Church is the largest charity organization on earth plus it's literally an obligation to donate to charity in Islam. But because this is a 'good' thing you'll say this isn't ideology but religion.

>>8869376
>Nobody thought of homosexuality or abortion until leftists came and shook things up

Sure they have. Even the Romans had abortifacients. It's not until Christianity arrives that aborting, or terminating pregnancies is equivalent to the murder of a grown human.

>"They" do. AFAIK The Catholic Church is the largest charity organization on earth plus it's literally an obligation to donate to charity in Islam

Yeah, but donating to charity isn't politics. Abortion laws and sodomy laws are.

>>8869158
>It's a proxy for how we treat our weakest and most vulnerable citizens.
Wrong. It's an issue because of religious groups, and politicians who require their support and loyalty for real issues. States in the US with the harshest abortion laws also offer the LEAST support to children and the disabled.
>http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Texas-Begins-350M-in-Medicaid-Cuts-Children-Affected-407211905.html
By this standard, a person's life has zero value the moment they are born, and tremendous value before then. It's pure and ludicrous ideology.

>>8869376
>"They" do. AFAIK The Catholic Church is the largest charity organization on earth plus it's literally an obligation to donate to charity in Islam. But because this is a 'good' thing you'll say this isn't ideology but religion.
The Catholic Church has tremendous amounts of money they don't use for the benefit of others. The Vatican is a rich country. They don't take their own doctrine seriously.

>>8869393

We don't live in Rome. Aztecs pulled organs out of people while they were still alive, I'm not about to debate public human sacrifice any time soon.

>Abortion laws and sodomy laws are.

And why are those politicized? Are age of consent laws politicized? How about bestiality laws? Because of ideology or religion? What is the difference?

>>8869407

The point is that killing a baby is murder. The baby is supposed to be supported and protected by his or her parents but the leftists destroyed marriage so now the state has to step in to raise somebody else's kids.

>>8869468
A fetus isn't "a baby".

And it's not like you can terminate a pregnancy any time you want. After 21 weeks of pregnancy it's illegal in most of the Western world.

>>8869477

That's your opinion and I agree but others don't and they have their reasons and arguments just as potent as yours. Doesn't mean they're ideologues and you're an enlightened man of reason.

>>8869527
You obviously haven't been paying attention to anything I've been saying the last 2 hours.

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>>8869533

How could someone talk to you and not agree? Must be a misunderstanding.

>>8869542
No, you're not paying attention. Which is vastly different from simply disagreeing.

>>8869208
Its not just the right or the religious bringing up abortion. The left brings it up as well to promote less restriction, or more public funding for it.

>>8869477
Canada has no laws whatsoever on abortion. When I tell this to my leftist friends they suddenly see the sense in at least some restriction...

>>8869570
>Canada has no laws whatsoever on abortion.

And yet, statistically most of them are done in the first trimester or earlier.

>>8869477
Whoa, at first I didn't agree with you, but now that you've begged the question I've seen the light. Seriously, Christians are against abortion precisely because we see a fetus as a human being made in the image of God.

>>8869590
I know Christians see it that way.

The question is whether or not that should be the most important thing in a Christian's life.

>>8869579
Yes but we have about 100,000 abortions a year. 90℅ are done within 12 weeks but that means there are still 10,000 late term abortions occurring every year. Tax payer funded.

Abortion is a huge issue because it's kind of the tip of a political iceberg.

>>8869610
>Tax payer funded.

Which it shouldn't be, because it means people who don't support them have to pay for it anyway.

While I don't agree that it should be illegal, I'm not stupid.

>>8869614
And because it's tax payer funded it hangs on the collective conscience of the country.

>>8869639
Only if you assume that any abortion at all is wrong.

>>8869667
Fair point. But like I said, when I tell my friends and family (most are very liberal) in Canada that we have no laws whatsoever on abortion they have all been horrified.

I doubt there are many people who want completely unrestricted abortion and that implies that most people do see something wrong with it. I could be wrong though.

>>8869697
It implies that it isn't completely value neutral. And it isn't. In my country Norway, which is by all intents and purposes very liberal too, abortion is illegal after 21 weeks, and that ruling comes from a board of bio-ethicists which is mostly made up of doctors who made the argument that after that point the fetus has a complex nervous system and can survive outside the womb(though with medical assistance), and therefore it would be wrong to end the pregnancy.

>>8869477
>A fetus isn't "a baby".
Why is a fetus more okay to kill than a baby?

>>8869610
>it's kind of the tip of a political iceberg.

What did you mean by this?

>>8865232
>t. Pleb
If you can't handle a civilized discussion where both parties hold different points of views then why are you on /lit/? Shouldn't you be dyeing your hair &a crying about the patriarchy?

>>8870502

It's not sentient.

>>8865232
poor bait

>>8870686
Are you sure babies are sentient? I'm not convinced.

>>8870505
The battle over abortion is the battle of larger, distinctive ideologies, probably. Religious freedom and state influence, taxpayer funding, right to refusal, metaphysics, privacy, duty, individual v. communal, and so on.

>>8870827

They begin learning and inscribing emotion-laden memories from birth.

>>8869614
It's much more economical for the state to abort unwanted children. That's why it is tax payer funded, it helps everyone, it lowers crime, poverty, etc...

>>8869639
>And because it's tax payer funded it hangs on the collective conscience of the country.
Lmao, what? So many things are funded by taxes that people don't care about at all, they're a fact of life. Abortion is an issue because it has been politicized, it's very artificial.

>>8871657
See
>>8870848


It's not artificial, but it's a proxy for many other things. it's much more nuanced than sjws and the religious right make it out to be.

>>8865423
>White people don't blow people up
Every race blows people up.

>>8871949
Yes but what is the nature of the correlation? It's not psychological, for example. It's simply a matter of conflating agendas, a particular stance on abortion becomes an association of what it means to be a right winger, and to disagree with an aspect is to disagree with the whole. This correlation IS artificial as it has been manipulated to be as it is, and is subject to further manipulation and change, change even that wholly undermine the current form in the future. That's what I mean by artificial.

>>8870848
How is it about any of those things?
>>8872024
Why is it artificial?

I would think that the act of taking a life being wrong is a conclusion one could arrive at regardless of the belief system one subscribes to.

>>8872070
Untrue, westerns kill people every single day just by doing what they normally do. Your prosperity is subsidized by the death and agony of others, hell, even not being an organ donor is much more of a clear cut murder than early abortions.

>>8872078
You're deflecting, even if you accept that allowing harm is equivalent to doing harm it doesn't make abortion more justifiable.

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>>8869418

>The Catholic Church has tremendous amounts of money they don't use for the benefit of others. The Vatican is a rich country. They don't take their own doctrine seriously.

t. idiot

>>8872070
>How is it about any of those things?

Really?

>Religious freedom and state influence

How much power should religions have over laws? Should the government overrule the states? If the parents' religion outlaws abortions, how does that effect 'parental notification?'

>taxpayer funding

Should you have to fund something you find morally abhorrent? Should taxpayers foot the bill for a private, non-life threatening procedure?

>right to refusal

Can we deny procedures we don't agree with? What about people with beliefs we disagree with?

>metaphysics

When does life start? Does the fetus have a soul? Does the fetus have rights?

>privacy

Do we have the right to privacy for abortion? Does the husband have to consent? Do the parents? What other implications does this have for things I do in private?

>duty

Does the mother have an obligation to the fetus? Should abortions only be allowed in cases of rape?

>individual v. communal

How much can society decide laws for individuals? Is the fetus more important than the mother's desires?

Etc. Surely you can see the massively broad implications these questions have for one's ideology and political philosophy, yeah?

>>8872101
>t. faggot who has never read the Bible
it's extremely clear that they are at odds with their own book of magic rules

but in the modern mindset somehow Christianity and wealth are compatible, when really Jesus would scorn anyone who doesn't give until they've nothing left

>>8872089
Most people don't carry out abortions, retard. It's the exact same thing as allowing harm, the same way your taxes wage unjust wars. Except in the case of abortion it actually has a significant improvement on quality of life. You lose.

>>8872200
Yeah, I'm totally going to go with some edgy fedora's interpretation of the Bible over the scholars who's entire worldview is based on it.

>>8872400
Those same 'scholars' used to sell indulgences. Scholarship has nothing do with accurate interpretation, but rather profitable interpretation.

>>8872400
>>8872400
>who's entire worldview is based on it.
You mean their profession/identity. Christ and his disciples were all poor and disdained wealth and the wealthy, easier for a camel to pass through the thread of a needle than a rich enter the kingdom of heaven yada da. The Catholic church have very clearly distorted the teachings of Christ as they formed into something else, modern Christianity is at odds with the Bible, plain and fucking simple.

>>8869418
>The Catholic Church has tremendous amounts of money they don't use

And Harvard has 35.7 billion it sits on and never spends. That's how endowments work nigger.

>>8865449
what are some essential juden kinos

>>8872413
Christianity is about personal salvation, the church having money and doing good work doesn't conflict with the teachings of Christ.

>mfw when a bunch of pseuds distance themselves from an academic as soon as he gains popularity

I hate fuckers whose asshole clenches the moment someone discovers their brand of coffee and now can't drink it anymore. If you had an actual identity, no one could take any enjoyment, like/dislike away from you.

>>8872413
>you have to hate your parents to be a good Christian

Where do these guys get this stuff

>>8872435
That's why they go around Africa proselytizing people and teaching people not to use condoms in the most aids ridden region in the world, right?

>>8872499
They don't encourage sodomy.

>>8866979
I demand selfies.

LOTS

>>8872499
If you'd read, you know that they encourage relationships were condoms aren't necessary, but that they advocate using condoms when in sinful sexual relations, only that you shouldn't do them in the first place.

>>8872564
Oh yeah, neither fornication nor sodomy is allowed.

>>8872462
I haven't distanced myself from Peterson at all. I think he's very interesting, and that has nothing to do with his popularity, but his opinions on psychology and religion.

what is with the influx of fedoras on this board today holy shit they're worse than the robots

>>8872603
Fedora originally meant edgy reddit atheist

Then it meant MRA/atheist edgy internet guy or some hodgepodge like that?? (mostly because girls just wanted a catchall shaming-word for anyone who irritates them, so they coopted fedora to mean "anyone who stirs the pot online"/"edgelord")

So, /r9k/ users were already included in almost the original definition of fedora

You seem to be RE-confusing the term for the same reason as the chicks who did it the first time, but even more confused because you don't realize that the meaning you want is already contained in the confused term as already confused by other confused women

Rather than sorting out the precise metaphysics of this and convening a council to designate a word for you to use that means "everyone who disagrees with me, and is thereby ipso facto a loser-nerd-virgin hybrid," have you considered just having a good cry and hiding the thread?

>>8872622
If you don't think men's rights is an important topic then you are a psychopath

>>8872622
>muh stipulative definitions

>>8865457
Somehow you don't understand that these people literally believe that the system, which they believe is ruled by white males, oppresses and exploits them. I wonder how that went with the Jews who most people believe, namely their success, was the reason for their persecution in Nazi Germany to happen. The same with the Kulaks in the USSR. You're successful, well that must mean you get your success out of marginalizing or exploiting others, therefore you are an oppressor and my enemy, yeah this form of thinking works wonders and is totally not the reason why 100 million people were sent to their deaths in communist countries.

his next video will be on the metaphysics of Pepe!

SHADILAY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0b5mnuKQvs

around 35:30

>>8872564
>>8872533
That's some specious bullshit.

>>8872622

Maximum keks

>>8872413
the Bible didn't spawn the church, but the other way around

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>>8873143
This is the best timeline.

>>8873132
It wasn't. Stalin was trying to industrialize Russia, so he arrested everyone he needed to work as slave labor. Kulaks were an easy target.

>>8872413
>Christ and his disciples were all poor

>https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+8%3A1-3&version=NABRE
>Joanna, the wife of Herod’s steward Chuza, Susanna, and many others who provided for them out of their resources.

>>8872413
Well, okay. The church is rich, none of the 'men' are supposed to be rich. Besides, they're the successors to the Apostles are created by the Apostles themselves. According to their text, Christ gave them "loosing and binding" powers, which means they get to say what the church is and what it does on earth.

I don't know what it matters. The Catholics are all Nestorian heretics anyways.

>>8872413
They organized it and picked which texts to use. Which is what makes the Protestant attachment to the scripture as absolute truth kind of comical, since it would seem the Church should be primary.

>call yourself a Christ-ian
>don't actually follow the teachings of Christ
pottery

>>8865560
tweet this to him

>>8873150
it actually isn't.

>Don't take heroine!
>But if you do, use clean needles!
>Incidentally, don't take the recreational drugs like acohol that we don't have a problem with with needles, clean or otherwise, take it orally

Makes perfect sense

>>8875661

na bro, it's c u l t u r a l c h r i s t i a n