When people say start with the greeks which one do they mean?

>>8788564
>Plato or Socrates?
If you researched the topic for five minutes you would realize how stupid this question is.

>>8788571
Start with Homer and Hesiod
Then read a few tragedies
Then Plato then Aristotle then whatever you want

>>8788564
>Iliad
>Odyssey
>Aeschylus
>Sophocles
>Euripides
>Aristophanes
>Herodotus
>Thucydides
>Plato (Socrates is the star in his dialogues you dumb niggers)

>>8788690
>forgeting about the pre-socratics

>>8788564

Dude....

It's code for gay sex, they're asking if you want to have gay sex.

>>8788694
Not that anon. The pre-Socratics can take a bit longer for an in depth look, and their influence is often as a misinterpretation. You're better off looking at more dialogues desu.

>>8788564
Socrates only wrote poetry I thought?

>>8788703
Socrates didn't write nuffin

>SOCRATES: You know, Phaedrus, writing shares a strange feature with painting. The offsprings of painting stand there as if they are alive, but if anyone asks them anything, they remain most solemnly silent. The same is true of written words. You’d think they were speaking as if they had some understanding, but if you question anything that has been said because you want to learn more, it continues to signify just that very same thing forever. When it has once been written down, every discourse roams about everywhere, reaching indiscriminately those with understanding no less than those who have no business with it, and it doesn’t know to whom it should speak and to whom it should not. And when it is faulted and attacked unfairly, it always needs its father’s support; alone, it can neither defend itself nor come to its own support.

>>8788733
Didn't Socrates mention somewhere in the Apology that he was moved to write poetry by a muse or something?

>>8788771
That was in Phaedo.

>pon this Cebes said: I am very glad indeed, Socrates, that you mentioned the name of Aesop. For that reminds me of a question which has been asked by others, and was asked of me only the day before yesterday by Evenus the poet, and as he will be sure to ask again, you may as well tell me what I should say to him, if you would like him to have an answer. He wanted to know why you who never before wrote a line of poetry, now that you are in prison are putting Aesop into verse, and also composing that hymn in honor of Apollo.

>Tell him, Cebes, he replied, that I had no idea of rivalling him or his poems; which is the truth, for I knew that I could not do that. But I wanted to see whether I could purge away a scruple which I felt about certain dreams. In the course of my life I have often had intimations in dreams "that I should make music." The same dream came to me sometimes in one form, and sometimes in another, but always saying the same or nearly the same words: Make and cultivate music, said the dream. And hitherto I had imagined that this was only intended to exhort and encourage me in the study of philosophy, which has always been the pursuit of my life, and is the noblest and best of music. The dream was bidding me to do what I was already doing, in the same way that the competitor in a race is bidden by the spectators to run when he is already running. But I was not certain of this, as the dream might have meant music in the popular sense of the word, and being under sentence of death, and the festival giving me a respite, I thought that I should be safer if I satisfied the scruple, and, in obedience to the dream, composed a few verses before I departed. And first I made a hymn in honor of the god of the festival, and then considering that a poet, if he is really to be a poet or maker, should not only put words together but make stories, and as I have no invention, I took some fables of esop, which I had ready at hand and knew, and turned them into verse. Tell Evenus this, and bid him be of good cheer; that I would have him come after me if he be a wise man, and not tarry; and that to-day I am likely to be going, for the Athenians say that I must.

>>8788564
Socrates didn't write anything. When you read Plato you get both Plato and Socrates. It's like asking "Should I read Jesus or the Apostles"—almost everything we know about Jesus is the Apostles' writing

>>8788699
>gay sex
>asking