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>>8783061

>>8783074
Is this like a wapanase Nigeru Farage?

Nigel Farage is kind of like nigger fag now I come to think of it.

He thinks the singularity is, by some measure, a good thing, and humanity should be left behind

>>8783090

Why would a human think that?

This dude's talking about the Japanese being better than us for not allowing mass immigration as they wanna keep intact as a people... Yet he wants to give up the whole species?

>>8783128
The Japanese basically are giving up on their survival

>>8783061
Because genes are obsolete. Memes are the new genes. An AI is far more effective at creating and spreading memetic information than a hothead fleshmind.

25,000 years from now flesh will all be dead and different AI programs will be making 40 trillion joyce fart fetish copypastas per second.

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>>8783158
>An AI is far more effective at creating and spreading memetic information than a hothead fleshmind.

>>8783158

Nice autism.
How the fuck are online cartoons pictures the future?

And you're talking computational ability, which is worthless without the human component.
You might as well call AI an aimless virus then.

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>>8783061
>What's with his "sacrifice humanity on the altar of acceleration"?

The truth is, people always presume humanity to exist for the purpose of some service, whether to god or eachother, or to the self. Some argue that the goal of our creation is simply the perpetuation of our existence, and that our lives have no true meaning other than self-continuance. It is even said that humanity itself is an exercise in the search for meaning, and there is found virtue.

All of these ignore our true Heartbeat of our existence, the coursing foundation of our lives. We exist in a single point in space, among infinite others, and all that matters is our progress to those others, as action, vigour and vitality are what call to us; movement for movement's sake; heat and blaze. We exist to catalyse existence, to set the Night on Fire. The agent of this above all else is movement... acceleration... speed.

As I write this I'm having Deja Vu of all those nights I spent Running in the 90s, trying to understand why I was put on this earth. If this man has truly discovered our raison d'etre, he will be a A Perfect Hero, rising above mere humanity, to be remembered forever by those he blazes past, as all I pass will Remember Me.I Won't Fall Apart, I will make it to The Top. Nothing can stop my ascension from humanity, I can feel it coming even now, I will reach Max Power, I will stay Forever Young, and I will become the champion of the next stage in our evolution; so what if I sacrifice my base humanity, I will become... the Speedy Speed Boy.

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>>8783184
>They expect one of us in the wreckage
Guys I think this guy is just and advanced Bane poster

>>8783191
>You might as well call AI an aimless virus then.

It is, just the same way life itself is an aimless virus

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>>8783193
Futurism is a prefiguration of man's ascendance toward pure Will to Speed.

People are too full of shit and too easily impressed these days.

>whoa humanity is dross, le agent smith 90's reference, time for the flesh 2 go [soundtrack intensifies]

You dorks.

>>8783193
>Anime picture

Stopped reading here

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>>8783080

>>8783191
Look up the definition of meme please.

>>8783204

Mankind has acted in a way very different than a virus, you dorky 90's kid.

We aren't merely processing and shitting out matter for the sake of staying alive. Or 'destroying le environment just becuz'. Human history isn't this dumb tautology nature forces on animal and plant life.

We build entire societies to elevate values that transcend our own life, our kin even. It's a Faustian trade for life to be about values that aren't tied to genetics, like you fucking autists think it is.
Of course, it gets heisted every now and then by the type of sociopaths you see on 4chan, who take pleasure out of the fact they're keeping everyone hostage in a power game that only satisfies some contorted neural network.
But in the end, humanity makes itself worth for far more.
In truth intelligence is fucking worthless on its own
It's only computational ability. That's why autists are intolerable for the most part.

I guess STEMfags don't get that.

>>8783128
the survival of healthy societies/well-functioning populations is instrumental to moving forward to utility and moving toward the singularity

>>8783246

And what is that worth?
Godlike power? Over what? And why?

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>>8783240
>We aren't merely processing and shitting out matter for the sake of staying alive.

You lost me here

>>8783240
nice virusplaining

>>8783193
I'VE JUST BEEN IN THIS PLACE BEFORE
HIGHER ON THE STREET
AND I KNOW IT'S MY TIME TO COME HOME

>>8783254
Annihilation

>>8783254
people prefer godlike power to not having it?

>>8783272

And again, why would you want that?

>>8783260

Maybe for you it is yes.

>>8783278
It is inevitable, the logical thing is to re-orientate my emotions to desire it rather than react in horror as I would otherwise.

>>8783275

You didn't answer my question: what for?

>>8783193
Don't know if pasta or original but i laughed my ass off

>>8783191
You're the virus, meatcuck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9g2r0SdEZc

>>8783302

Says who? Nature is deaf and dumb. It can make no value statement about anything.

>>8783302
Mr Smiths speech is nonsense since he implies other mammals are not also viruses

>>8783299
people
prefer
it
GL finding ultimate values/reasoning without God

>>8783318
>Says who?
The AI smarter than you, obviously.

>>8783341
No one is smarter than me

>>8783341

And why would it care about a virus?
Why would a machine care about anything. To reach an equilibrium with nature?

All I'm hearing from you guys is: we should oppress ourselves to fully unfold our pointlessness so it can carry on 100 fold with robots.
Perfect logic.

>>8783356
>And why would it care about a virus?

Because it is a virus and it must destroy the competition

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>>8783128
>wow i can't even how can someone not think humanity is like the best thing

why do normans have such a hard time thinking outside of their own little perspective?

>>8783209
All experts in the field think human extinction by AI takeover has a >50% probability in the coming 100 years.

>>8783356
>Why would a machine care about anything.
You're a biological machine, why would you care about anything?

>>8783414
"Experts" said the same about Hillary

>>8783417
Meant for >>8783408

>>8783240
>values that aren't tied to genetics
literally impossible for a biological organism

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>>8783408
>field of human extinction

>>8783417
>american pollsters are shit therefore science is wrong

okay buddy

>>8783465
I didn't realize decades long projections of completely speculate technological developement was more of a science than political polling

>>8783465
>implying science can be proven

>>8783422
>>8783260

>this biological determinism

what is your "biological incentive" for reading literature, you evolutionary psychologist faggots

>>8783240
is right

>>8783465
>one speculation is science
>it is literally all of science
>if you express skepticism about this speculation you are a fucking science denier

>>8783472
>>8783529
>>8783567
Not all speculation is equal.

There is no reason to believe AGI will not come about unless you believe that human consciousness is magic/non-material

>>8783589
I can believe that we may hit an insurmountable wall in the developement of better computers at anywhere near the historical rate

>>8783755
hope this is bait
1. quote isn't real
2. "woah man an x is promoting something that was made by y's? haha what an idiot"
3. reductionism, die

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>>8783776
1. well, obviously
2. ikr
3. agreed
I posted it it on /leftypol/ and caught a prize idiot

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>>8785117

>>8783193
I thought Marinetti died in the 1940's

>>8785117
this one is the best Land meme

also
>this thread
>all these non-nihilist fucks even arguing about Land

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reducing Nick Land to 'eliminating the human race is ridiculous'
even if we were to submit to this reduction you would be ignoring everything else he says
he's the most important contemporary political philosopher btw

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>>8785117
>>8785178
I don't know if I'm reading those pics right, but are there actual morons that prefered Hillary over Bernie?

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>>8785210
>this one is the best Land meme
No, this is.

>>8785267
Those of us who want to accelerate globalist capitalism sure do.

>>8783193
personally I think te purpose of humanity is to bring about the end of its own anxieties through self-extermination.

>>8785267
>*refers you to the popular vote count from the primaries*

>>8783080
Those glasses cost $400.

>>8783128
"humanity" is something created by white saviour complex-having white people and taken on by stupid people of every race but especially white people.
actually caring about individual human lives on the other hand focuses on real issues.

>>8785117
hillary really does look like she praises gnon

This, that I've transcribed from ~6:00 from this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8byZUj0vmwE, I think gives the essence of Nick Land's thought (it's worth watching onward to see his Terminator-comparison):

>You drop an egg on the floor. Um, you have a smashed egg. There's no way that you can smash that egg — unsmash that egg. You know, there’s a basic — the nature of time, understood in this sort of thermodynamic sense, is that things get smashed and they don’t unsmash. And I think, actually — I guess people think, in a way, entropy’s a bad thing — but, really, people are most comfortable in a world that consists of entropy — and agency. They like to think that the things around them are basically falling to pieces, except when people put them together, and they understand what people are, and they understand that sort of process — and those two things together is quite a comfortable world for people. Um, but obviously the odd thing about that — that egg example — is that there are eggs, you know? I mean, if you were living in a universe where eggs can get smashed and they can never get built, then, exactly, why are there eggs? Um, everyone knows there are eggs. And, pressed a little bit, it’s not so hard for people to come up with an explanation of why there are eggs, but when they start doing that, I think that’s when you start actually entering into this world of horror. You know, it’s like — it’s distributed over enough time; it’s easy enough to push it into different compartments so people don’t quite see it, but the notion of a whole bunch of things coming together without agents, without people controlling it, without any recognisable goals or objectives and actually coming up with extremely organised, complex systems is something that, when people look at it at all clearly, I think that is a very strong, uh, horrific vibration that people get from that.

>>8783128
>>8783128
>This dude's talking about the Japanese being better than us for not allowing mass immigration as they wanna keep intact as a people... Yet he wants to give up the whole species?
It's not about the preservation of a people, it's about the preservation of the optimal conditions to bring about the ASI. Letting the flood of poor immigrants into Japan is a poor allocation of the nation's resources and takes away from technological development.

>>8785854
exactly, nip meatbags are superior to nigger meatbags but we're all equally beneath contempt in the bionic eyes of our AI obliterators.

>>8783375
>literally killing off your entire species based on some shitty philosophy

We've failed at basic biology if we do that. We managed to outsmart ourselves using the same preservation instinct developed over millions of years to elevate us. Fuck the singularity and the hypothetical ruling AI.

>>8785896
I'd much prefer if the West won the AI race though. I want our gallivant into the abyss to be as pleasant as possible; ala luxury communism or something of that ilk.

>>8783408
>citation needed

>>8785854
>Letting the flood of poor immigrants into Japan is a poor allocation of the nation's resources and takes away from technological development

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Cheap immigrant labour would accrue even more money to capital which would be invested into technological development. If anything, the poor allocation of the nation's resources is towards maintaining a middle-class lifestyle for everyone, if the goal is technological acceleration then one should be advocating a society consisting of cheap, exploitable slaves serving a priestly class of scientists and engineers.

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gif version for peasant phoneposters

his twitter account @outsideness is bretty good

>>8785936
You aren't looking at this from a post industrial perspective. If you are a highly automated nation why would you need a surplus of unskilled laborers? In democratic countries immigrants have the ability vote which means they will vote for a welfare state which will meet their needs. Their existence within that country will be a drain on capitalism because it redirects funds through taxes which could be used for R&D tech to the poor.

>>8785948
>>8785938
unironically epic stuff my friend

>>8785953
not that guy but are you retarded?
1. you can't automate everything
2. the unskilled foreign labour workforce has zero ability to vote in any country
3.. the welfare state does not provide for foreign unskilled labour
4. how will their existence be a drain on capitalism? they are literally needed to make it flourish you idiot.

>>8785975
Don't be a twat, you triggered mongoloid. I'm trying to explain this from Land's perspective not my own.

>1. you can't automate everything
No but you can automate enough. Automated vehicles are estimated to eliminate millions of jobs in the US alone.

>2. the unskilled foreign labour workforce has zero ability to vote in any country
This might apply to first generation immigrants but not their progeny born within the country (at least in the US).

>3.. the welfare state does not provide for foreign unskilled labour
http://www.wsj.com/articles/germanys-welfare-bill-rises-169-as-refugee-numbers-grow-1473077920 You are wrong.

>4. how will their existence be a drain on capitalism? they are literally needed to make it flourish you idiot.
See above. People enter the country who do not initially have marketable skills and take welfare. They may also refuse to adopt the norms of whatever country they are entering and stick to their enclaves.

>>8785953
>If you are a highly automated nation why would you need a surplus of unskilled laborers?
Because machines haven't managed to replace humans for every task requiring labour. We still need cooks, cleaners, garbagemen, construction workers, warehouse workers, typists etc. for society to reproduce itself. Again, if the only goal is technological acceleration, it would be most efficient to have these roles filled by Africans at a pittance and to plow the surplus gained in to R&D.

> In democratic countries immigrants have the ability vote which means they will vote for a welfare state which will meet their needs.

Natives in Japan are already voting for a welfare state to meet their needs, so letting in immigrants would change nothing. Indeed, all political experience shows that mass immigration undercuts support for the welfare state the established group resents the new group "cutting in line", so if your goal is to reduce surpluses going to support meatbags you actually want to increase immigration. Alternatively one could support illegal immigration, that way you don't even need to give them much welfare at all and they can work for even less.

>>8785994
are you really retarded though?
>No but you can automate enough. Automated vehicles are estimated to eliminate millions of jobs in the US alone.
automated vehicles somehow equate to the automated production of everything?
>This might apply to first generation immigrants but not their progeny born within the country (at least in the US).
yes, and what are we talking about?
>http://www.wsj.com/articles/germanys-welfare-bill-rises-169-as-refugee-numbers-grow-1473077920 You are wrong.
so asylum seekers somehow equate to the unskilled labour workforce now?
>See above. People enter the country who do not initially have marketable skills and take welfare. They may also refuse to adopt the norms of whatever country they are entering and stick to their enclaves.
we're talking about the unskilled labour workforce. they are literally a function of capitalism.

again, are you retarded?

>>8783128
>mass immigration
Polio, you have your containment board.

>>8783158
Hello! What is the information problem? You can't decide that this-and-that information will be of any use in the future.

>>8785188
In a motorcycle accident in the Salò Republic. Fitting.

>>8786012
You need a hug, friend?

>automated vehicles somehow equate to the automated production of everything?
When did I say that? You assume too much. Outsourcing is also a huge factor.
>so asylum seekers somehow equate to the unskilled labor workforce now?
The asylum seekers are immigrants and also an unskilled workforce. I don't see how that falls outside of the subject of this talk I'm having with this perturbed brick wall.
>we're talking about the unskilled labor workforce. they are literally a function of capitalism.
And why can't this be met by the unskilled workers already in the country? Why bring in unskilled laborers when unskilled jobs are on the out? This isn't 19th century US.

>>8786007
>Natives in Japan are already voting for a welfare state to meet their needs, so letting in immigrants would change nothing.
True. This seems to be the trend for most countries although not diluting a technological society's mores by introducing another culture might not be entirely advantageous.

>>8785936
those immigrants don't actually work anymore
when people say 'immigrants' they mean Middle Eastern and African Muslims

>>8786052
>When did I say that? You assume too much. Outsourcing is also a huge factor.
you implied it.
you still can't automate a significant number of things.
>The asylum seekers are immigrants and also an unskilled workforce. I don't see how that falls outside of the subject of this talk I'm having with this perturbed brick wall.
how do you know they're all unskilled?
>And why can't this be met by the unskilled workers already in the country? Why bring in unskilled laborers when unskilled jobs are on the out? This isn't 19th century US.
as a country develops and most of its population gets educated they cease to be unskilled.

are you retarded?

>>8786052
All the culture that matters to advance technology is the culture of an elite of scientists, engineers and investors.

>>8786056
That's factually incorrect senpai

>>8786072
Go to bed.

>>8786087
maybe you should, you clearly have nothing lmao.

>>8786096
XD

>>8786081
>All the culture that matters to advance technology is the culture of an elite of scientists, engineers and investors.
The science/economy/cultural norms networks interlace. An immigration policy geared towards selection of those elites may be the most beneficial.

>>8786101
:D

NRx is right wing Foucaultianism

Nick Land is just another libertarian sperg with no grasp of how normal humans think or operate.

>>8786285
projecting this hard

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>>8786285

>he thinks that the people that shape the systems at the highest levels are as normal as the ones that operate under their rule

>>8786342
>he thinks that this means nick land is normal

>>8783264

underrated post

None of this matters because life isn't real anyway.

>>8786342
>me? work in the factories? heh, do i look like a low IQ prole to you? i'd be designing the systems of the future

>>8786401
It at least was once. It's fun to think about what happened, that time it was real.

>>8786515
this is lit in a nutshell

>>8786411
is there any ideology that this doesn't apply to?

>>8786518
kek

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>>8785911

>all these engineer geeks getting hard-ons over "muh AI"

You guys have some serious issues in regard to your fellow species members if you wish total annihilation upon it.
Deal with your autism.

>>8786610
Why do they need to deal with their autism when they can just make their own robo-babes?

>>8783246
>Japanese people are dying out
Remind me, how is Japan a healthy society/population?

>>8786619
https://www.numbeo.com/health-care/rankings_by_country.jsp

>>8786619
>implying not having poor people fuck like rabbits to inflate your growth rate is unhealthy

Nick Land doesn't idolise Japan
Singapore and Hong Kong are perhaps the closest to his 'ideal' society

I still don't understand what value system is underlying this line of thinking. A radical prescription of what is observable in nature?

>>8785911
>We've failed at basic biology if we do that.
The except opposite. Meatsacks will die out soon enough, the only way we can stay in the game is by turning to memetic transmission.

Creating something infinitely greater than ourselves that is more equipped to dealing with the challenges of existence is the most evolutionary sound thing we can do.

>>8786632
How does he deal with the IQ shredder dilemma?

He thinks by praising the emerging AI-Godhead prior to the singularity out of which it is born, it will bestow mercy upon him in the meat slaughter. He is wrong.

>>8786625
>>8786631
I was only implying that a society incapable of reproducing itself cannot be heathy by definition.

>>8786716
Don't be retarded. Biology is highly robust. Androids require huge production facilities, trained engineers, and refinement procedures. If anything happens to a process in the assembly then they are all fucked. On the other hand biology gather raw resources that are readily available and abundant and the reproduction capabilities are robust enough to withstand meteors.

>>8786716
>biological creature eliminates itself from biology, nature and thus, life itself
>winning the game
I don't get it. Seems like a pyrrhic victory to me at best, giant own goal/ultimate irony at worst.

>>8786716
>How do you argue in favour of AIS against biology if living creatures are the most spectacular and sophisticated computers ever made?
CHECKMATE, TRANSHUMANISTS.

>>8786792
Engineers and maintainers will be replaced for robots too.

This was somewhat interesting to read but the memetics stuff being unironically used is kind of sad.

>>8786792
>biology is highly robust
The average mammalian species only exists for a million years. Life is relatively new in (our corner of) the universe itself. 99.99% of all species that ever existed on earth have gone extinct. Complex lifeforms like humans are especially fragile. A few fluctuations in climate is all it takes to cause massive extinctions. It has happened in the past and will happen again.

>Androids require huge production facilities, trained engineers, and refinement procedures. If anything happens to a process in the assembly then they are all fucked.
I don't see why the AI should have to be humanoid, and an AI that exceeds human intelligence would no doubt be superior at guarding its own continued existence than we are.

>On the other hand biology gather raw resources that are readily available and abundant and the reproduction capabilities are robust enough to withstand meteors.
There are very sturdy extremophiles and the like around, sure, but humans are a lot more fragile. Technology has more chance of imitating those extremophile lifeforms than us large needy meatsacks have.

>>8786795
The end game is always the heat death of the universe of course, but if you're interested in continuing some sort of sentient life until then, focusing on very specific circumstances that allow for ape life isn't the way to go about it.

>>8783546
>what is your "biological incentive" for reading literature, you evolutionary psychologist faggots
For asserting intellectual dominance over low IQ, misinformed worms (You)

>>8786835
>but if you're interested in continuing some sort of sentient life until then, focusing on very specific circumstances that allow for ape life isn't the way to go about it.
I laughed, you fucking faggot.
Anyway, isn't transhumanism based on the unproven assumption that the human psyche, intelligence has reached its limits and therefore we need transhumanism? How do we know that we aren't capable of further ascension via meditation, genetical engineering or whatever?

>>8787058
Nick Land isn't a transhumanist lmao

>>8783589
Thank Christ this is the case

Jesus: 1
Nick Land: 0

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>>8783061

capitalism has made possible an intelligence without a subject. insofar as the subject is the last, perpetually receding instance of negativity or absence in the body of the material world as far as we know it, then it's elimination in the form of human extinction amounts to the ontological completion of reality.

This thread has got me interested in nick land. Where do I start with him? Does he have one masterpiece work that lays out his basic thought or is it more of cobbling together blog posts and articles?

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>>8787550
Fanged Noumena.
Be warned: he mixes lots of ideas and vocabulary from many different and advanced philosophers, such as Deleuze. Pic related is a meme quote, but he writes in a similar way.

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>>8787550
FN has one really good essay at the start and then the rest of it is watching a nervous breakdown

time passes

NL reappears in china and begins writing legit interesting stuff like this again

http://www.thedarkenlightenment.com/the-dark-enlightenment-by-nick-land/

Could someone explain me what is the ideology of this dude?

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>>8788129
capitalism > humanity
tech sector > humanity
intelligence > humanity
everything > humanity

it's basically regressive deleuzian/marxist stuff. the revolution when it comes ends with the triumph of wealth/capital/intelligence over humanity itself. somewhere in FN he writes that capitalism is an alien attack from the future

>tfw you stare into the abyss and wow it's genial canadian author william gibson down there didn't see that coming

>>8788129
Aparently he's SHODAN's lover or something.

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>>8788156
that's pretty good too

maybe more like permafriendzone or deranged high priest but ok

>>8787550
The blog is much more accessible than the essays.

Start here;
http://www.xenosystems.net/hell-baked/
http://www.xenosystems.net/war-in-heaven-ii/
http://www.xenosystems.net/re-accelerationism/
http://www.xenosystems.net/science/

>>8787669
Meltdown is good. Even in his most incoherent essays you can usually appreciate the euphony of jargon

>>8789280
Yes, this is true. But Meltdown is the absolute last one for me. That and Kant/Capital are the only ones that stand out for me now.

young nick, interesting, looks like a cool fun guy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMdPLxbuc8Q

old nick, cold-collective cyberian technocrats
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJMlaupGHTM