Is fantasy and science fiction literature?

>>8728064

some is of course /thread next

*sigh*
in everyone genre of fiction you can find things that are literature (dune, do androids dream of electric sheep) but that doesn't mean that the genre as a whole is literature.

A single book can of course be literature, asking if a setting can be literature is nonsensical

>>8728064
inventing new meanings for words to imply prestige is something pretentious people do

>>8728084
I never really got why this particular book was elevated. Or Dune. There's a shitload of better SF, more literate, better science, better ideas. Both are good sure, but neither are great.

unequivocally yes.


does it have literary merit? some does, some doesn't.

>>8728099
Recommend me some good sci-fi, my man

>>8728064
Its Trainspotting or Lord of the Rings Cinema??
It is Radiohead or Pink Floyd Music??
Spoiler: No.

Frankenstein is SF so fucking duh it is. (sci-fi is a sub genre of fantasy)

There are no genres, there are only talents. — Jean-Francois Revel

>>8728111
Gene Wolfe
John Crowley
Ursula K Le Guin
Samuel R Delany
Stanislaw Lem

Jack Vance, Micheal Moorcock and Philip K Dick are a good deal pulpier but I would still call them literary.

>>8728135
>sci-fi is a sub genre of fantasy

If this is just b8, then congratulations because I'm going to respond to it in earnest
No it absolutely is not. SF and Fantasy differ in terms of usual time setting (future vs past), driving force (scientific development vs magic), intent (speculation vs escape), plausibility (yes* vs no), priority given to worldbuilding (less vs more), and so on. All of this is why, for example, Star Wars is (space) fantasy but really not SF

Is Lovecraft Sci-Fi?

>>8728242

No, he's Horror. There's no speculation on advancement of technology or society anywhere, is there?