Greatest mind of the 20th century?

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he wasn't even the best American thinker of all time

that goes to this man, dude was literally the American Leibniz

>>8682963
not 20th century

>>8682954
Wittgenstein, Tarski, or Chomsky.

>>8683020
Chomsky for the 3rd century running, obviously.

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the negro celine

newton

This is the literature board, so it's James Joyce.

Alexander Grothendieck

Von neumann

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>implying you could prove otherwise

>>8682954
T.S. Eliot effectively says Einstein or Joyce in his short thing about the Mythic Method. So Einstein probes.

>>8683071
is this a meme?

Grothendieck

>>8682954
Godel, Wittgenstein, and James Joyce.

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This man.

Although in all honesty it is Einstein, it's not even up for discussion really.

>>8682954
Einstein was unmatched, honestly. Seems a little cliche, but he was borderline idiot-savant.

>>8683071
>>8683255
What has Joyce contributed that could contest the achievements of anyone mentioned in this thread except Rand.
>Inb4 Ulysses
unpack it beyond a namedrop

are the top tier scientists smarter than the top tier social scientists? generally speaking

is Einstein, in terms of pure brain power, smarter than Dubois?

>>8683454
yes

i don't want to start a STEM vs. humanities/social science shit fest

but something like General Relativity, I believe, requires deeper thought than the stuff Dubois did

not to say Dubois didn't do anything important, and of course its always hard to define what 'intelligence" is...but my answer still stands

>>8683463
I decided to make another thread on this issue

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Pic related

Or else
>>8683082

Einstein
Wittgenstein
Godel
Keynes
Adorno

Probably one of them.

>>8683339
The Mythic Method. He invented post-modernism while being and early modernist. He destroyed purple prose by perfecting it.

>>8683560
>He destroyed purple prose by perfecting it.
Why is this good?

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>>8683560
Well holy shit I'm convinced that he was the smartest man of the century

>>8683082

This

>>8682954
Robert Fripp

https://youtu.be/FhKJgqxNDD8

This is literally undebatable.

>>8683679
ur face

>>8683715
Pfff, if you want to mention someone in music at least name a serious composer like, say, Gerard Grisey

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de_dw0B_bSk

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>>8683751
>Style: Post-Modern

>>8683758
It should say spectralism, but sadly I cannot control what music uploaders on youtube put in their descriptions

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>>8683763
>spectralism

>>8683758
fuck Saeki is so hot desu (o 3o)

there should have been more scenes with her

>>8683765
I'm sorry you're not interested in revolutionary new styles of music and are only capable of enjoying glorified dadrock.

>>8683766
Easily best girl, breaks my heart that she wasn't the star. Look at that evil one-eyed smile. Bible Black will never be surpassed. It's to eroge what 'Red' is to progressive rock.

>>8683771
There is nothing more revolutionary than King Crimson. Those faggots live on the cutting edge, they are the cutting edge.

Spectralism is just autists looking for the last sounds that haven't been made by orchestras yet.

>>8683751
As far as 20th century music is concerned,i don't get how you could pick anyone other than Schoenberg.

>>8683775
I actually picked Grisey because he was born the same year (1946) and that piece because it came out the same year (1974).

There probably wasn't a *the* greatest mind, but there were several.

I'd say something like:

Von Neumann
Carl Jung
Heidegger
Wittgenstein
Quine

>>8682954
Einstein made an advance on physics so unimaginable big that not considering it among the greatest minds of the 20th century just shows how much of a pseud you're.
Also, Bohr and Wittgenstein are probably up there too, along with Foucault.

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>>8683804
>Foucault

>>8683806
Ok, he's more of a personal favorite. I aware that he's not even top 10.

>>8683794
>Carl Jung
He was great, but how is he on the same level as those other guys?

>>8683816
>but how is he on the same level as those other guys?

Might simply be a personal favorite I guess. It's hard to estimate the actual genius of certain people by any rational metric, when what they are engaged in isn't particularly rational.

me tbqh

>>8683832
nah, tbqhwyf it's me

I didn't add Einstein in because General Relativity is quite an easy concept to understand

>>8683845
But nobody saw it as a possibility until he came in.
Also you seem to understand what pop science says about general relativity, but not the mathematics behind it.

>>8683845
Special Relativity would of came without Einstein roughly around the same year, Poincare almost had it....


General Relativity however was all Einstein and kind of came out of nowhere

it would of eventually came but probably decades later to be honest if it wasn't for Einstein

>>8683856
but is Einstein really smarter than say WEB Dubois?

>>8683863
If you judge a fish...

>>8684176
/pol

>>8682954
>Greatest mind of the 20th century?
I think it was someone that didn't get famous. He died in poverty with an IQ of 200+.

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Tesla.

FBI knows. Pynchon agrees.

"I am become death, destroyer of worlds"
Oppenheimer assured there wouldn't be another world war by creating the most devastating weapon in history.
He literally saved mankind.
Y'all faggots

>>8684903
you mean Tesla

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W.L.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0niXuJUdDY

btw Paul Erdős more gifted than Einsteins or Godels or Wittgensteins

>>8683092
>a jewess

>>8684908
a literal meme

All things considered, Bohr/Heisenberg/Dirac trio. These men dared to challenge the very foundation of physical reality, chased it against all odds, and proved it conclusively, embarrassing MUH EINSTEEN to death. If anyone ever embodied both the dreaming philosopher and logical intellectual values, its them (Dirac was a fucking autist though)

>>8684945
>All things considered
>both the dreaming philosopher and logical intellectual values
>All things considered
>Screw the arts etc.

>>8684956
Arts is applied philosophy, just sayan

>>8684969
Or philosophy arts for the fainthearted

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>>8682954

Prove me wrong

pro-tip

you can't

>>8684893
????
Tesla is meme tier

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>>8682954
my senpai desu

>>8685039
whoooooooooooo

Tolstoy lived to see the 20th century you fucking idiots

>>8685025

from someone with such a noble upbringing, he achieved nothing of note. he was a good orator. that's it.

>>8685208
The thread is greatest minds not greatest achievers, otherwise it would have to be Mao Zedong or Stalin

>>8685187
Read image file name

>>8685218
There is no evidence of Oswald Mosely having even an above average mind

>>8685282
Epic meme! Crush those fascists comrade xD

>>8685291
No I mean, he was an MP and held offices, which was to be expected of him due to his lineage. He had strong political views. He spoke well. That's pretty much it. The thread was "great minds", not "people i think r cool"

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>>8685301
>Authors write well. That's pretty much it. The thread was "great minds", not "people i think r cool"
>Philosophers philosophise well. That's pretty much it. The thread was "great minds", not "people i think r cool''
>scientists science well.That's pretty much it. The thread was "great minds", not "people i think r cool"
>Brain surgeons surgeon well/That's pretty much it. The thread was "great minds", not "people i think r cool.

>>8685313
Yeah, authors write well. They write books and things that people read and think "Wow that's broadened my worldview. This author must be very smart to write such thought-provoking work".

Scientists science well, and produce theories that explain things and people think "He must have been very smart to be the only person who could come up with that theory".

Mosely spoke well, but nobody really cared that much. He started a union which got shut down and then he ran for office again but nobody really cared or supported him. If he'd spoken that well, you'd think he'd have something to show for it.

You make it sound like as a result of his speaking something great happened, which would validate the fact that he spoke so well he could change hearts and minds. But he couldn't. Because he was just a run-of-the-mill politician.

>>8682954
foucault

>>8685359
Lmao i literally read none of that

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>>8685390

>>8685390
Not an argument

>>8685401
huh?

>>8685390
>says "prove me wrong"
>doesn't read arguments
wew

>>8684903
Oppenheimer was a general. He didn't do shit

>>8683082
how many times does it need to be said? It's this or einstein and it's not close

>>8685577

Von Neumann was brilliant, but doesn't have any good accomplishments

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>>8684908
>>8685537
I hope this is bait
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Oppenheimer

>>8685528
huh?

>>8685619
the question was greatest mind

>>8685661
>>8685619
and that's retarded too. holy shit

>>8683339
Finnegans Wake

>>8683845
General relativity isn't an easy concept to understand. Perhaps the presentations of it that you've read in pop-sci books by Stephen Hawking or somebody are easy to understand, but general relativity isn't. I'm guessing you don't even know he prerequisites for understanding general relativity. I have a degree in math, and while admittedly my interests are in others areas, I wouldn't understand shit if I picked up an actual text on general relativity. You pretty much need working knowledge of multivariable calculus (relatively easy), topology (substantially harder), and non-Euclidean geometries. I have a decent understanding of the first two subjects, but not the third. Even with that though, I would probably need to study several semesters worth of physics before I know how to apply my mathematical knowledge to problems in general relativity.

>>8685619
>Von Neumann
>doesn't have any accomplishments
He founded game theory. While that might not be a nice thing, it is a very influential field.
And that's just beside being the most important mathematician of the last century.

>>8685743
Game theory, not to mention made highly significant contributions to set theory, computer engineering and programming, as well as automata theory (which is basically the branch of mathematics underlying computer science), and physics.