Anyone here read Swedenborg? How do materialists rationalize

Swedenborg was behind it all, as a ploy to work up his reputation. He had the fire started and hired professional fartsmen to ensure strong winds.

He was a product of rationalist enlightenment thought and wrote extensively on science. At some point he had a breakdown and got heavily in to god. Producing huge books on theology that no one cared about or barely knew existed. So he conceived a marketing ploy using his scientific and engineering knowledge to start a time delayed fire which he could predict along with a few other parlor tricks. Gaining a reputation of a visionary with a hotline to the divine helped his second career flourish.

Oh well might as well post it, not so sure about professional farters though.

Around 30 years AD, Jesus was crucified and stabbed with a spear. On the third day he rose from the dead, as reported by Paul and multiple other sources.

How do materialists rationalize this kind of shit?

>>8667855
Wait, wasn't Paul the guy who converted later while seeing Christ on his way to Damascus and not part of the original apostles or something? If anything, his testimony about the resurrection counts the least, unless that was the joke.

>>8667880
Correct, Paul a shit.

>>8667801
Wiki says his biographer says the dinner happened on the 29th.

I would at least point out that carrier pigeons can fly at 80km/h comfortably and that the fire didn't end until the 20th.

>>8667830
>Producing huge books on theology that no one cared about or barely knew existed.
>no one

simply not true

/lit/ should get together to read some Swedenborg and post about it, just like we've done with other books

how funny would it be if /lit/ knew about swedenborg eh

>>8668141
/lit/ knows about Swedenborg, Borges quoted him

>>8668134
I like how you focused on the slight exaggeration and ignored the major conspiracy theory. His first books about theology were fairly obscure and unknown until he had established a reputation. Certainly read by a small theological crowd but not with a mass market appeal.

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>>8667801
>How do materialists rationalize this kind of shit?
Now pleasing sleep had sealed each mortal eye;
Stretched in the tents the Grecian leaders lie,
The immortal slumbered on their thrones above;
All but the ever-wakeful eyes of Jove.
To honour Thetis' son he bends his care,
And plunge the Greeks in all the woes of war:
Then bids an empty phantom rise to sight,
And thus commands the vision of the night:[1]
"Fly hence, deluding Dream! and, light as air,
To Agamemnon's ample tent repair.
Bid him in arms draw forth the embattled train,
Lead all his Grecians to the dusty plain.
Declare; e'en now 'tis given him to destroy
The lofty towers of wide-extended Troy;
For now no more the gods with fate contend,
At Juno's suit the heavenly factions end.
Destruction hangs o'er yon devoted wall,
And nodding Ilion waits the impending fall."
Swift as the word the vain illusion fled,
Descends, and hovers o'er Atrides' head;
Clothed in the figure of the Pylian sage,
Renowned for wisdom, and revered for age;
Around his temples spreads his golden wing,
And thus the flattering dream deceives the king:
"Canst thou, with all a monarch's cares oppressed,
O Atreus' son! canst thou indulge thy rest?
Ill fits a chief who mighty nations guides,
Directs in council, and in war presides,
To whom its safety a whole people owes,
To waste long nights in indolent repose.
Monarch, awake! 'tis Jove's command I bear;
Thou and thy glory claim his heavenly care.
In just array draw forth the embattled train,
Lead all thy Grecians to the dusty plain;
E'en now, O king! 'tis given thee to destroy
The lofty towers of wide-extended Troy.
For now no more the gods with fate contend,
At Juno's suit the heavenly factions end.
Destruction hangs o'er yon devoted wall,
And nodding Ilion waits the impending fall.
Awake, but, waking, this advice approve,
And trust the vision that descends from Jove."
The phantom said; then vanished from his sight,
Resolves to air, and mixes with the night.
A thousand schemes the monarch's mind employ;
Elate in thought, he sacks untaken Troy:
Vain as he was, and to the future blind;
Nor saw what Jove and secret fate designed;
What mighty toils to either host remain,
What scenes of grief, and numbers of the slain!

Emerson was a big fan of Swedenborg. He also influenced William James, whose father was a Swedenborgian. Never known where to begin reading Swedenborg though

>>8668141
>>8668149
Wasn't he also an important influence to Kant, at least in his early works or something?

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>In 1763, the philosopher Immanuel Kant (1724–1804), then at the beginning of his career, was impressed by these accounts and made inquiries to find out if they were true. He also ordered all eight volumes of the expensive Arcana Cœlestia (Heavenly Arcana or Heavenly Mysteries). One Charlotte von Knobloch wrote Kant asking his opinion of Swedenborg’s psychic experiences.[102][103] Kant wrote a very affirmative reply, referring to Swedenborg's "miraculous" gift, and characterizing him as "reasonable, agreeable, remarkable and sincere" and "a scholar," in one of his letters to Mendelssohn,[104] and expressing regret that he (Kant) had never met Swedenborg.[105][106] Joseph Green, his English friend, who investigated the matter for Kant, including by visiting Swedenborg’s home, found Swedenborg to be a "sensible, pleasant and openhearted" man and here again, a scholar.[107]

>However, three years later, in 1766, Kant wrote and published anonymously a small book entitled Träume eines Geistersehers (Dreams of a Spirit-Seer)[108] that was a scathing critique of Swedenborg and his writings. He termed Swedenborg a "spook hunter"[109] "without official office or occupation."[110] As rationale for his critique, Kant said he wanted to stop "ceaseless questioning"[111] and inquiries about Dreams from "inquisitive" persons, both known and unknown",[112] and "importunate appeals from known and unknown friends",[113] as well as from "moon calves".[113] Kant also said he did not want to expose himself to "mockery."[114] More significantly, he became concerned about being seen as an apologist for both Swedenborg and for Spiritism in the guise of his interest in Swedenborg,[115] which might have damaged his career.[116] Dreams was intended as a refutation of all such thinking.[117] This left Kant in the ironic or hypocritical position of trying to free himself of ridicule while he at the same time ridiculed Swedenborg.[115]

>spook hunter
Oh how ironic.

>>8668347

>Emmanuel Kant: Spoop Hunter

I would watch

>>8668347
>be Kant
>believe Swedenborg was a cool guy
>still shitpost about him irl so chads think you're cool dude
Pottery

>Anyone here read Swedenborg?

certainly

i have read his vision about heaven and hell, "heaven and hell" when i also was reading dante. unlike dante it is so dry -_-

afaik he is a founder of yet another protestant church which still exists, its main difference it's that it believes in good works like catholic churches and is non-trinitarian

his fame as a spiritual visionary and even a medium was rather scandalous back then as it is nowadays too

>How do materialists rationalize this kind of shit?

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>>8668149
also william blake in his "the marriage of heaven and hell". he, like kant, was tsundere for swedenborg:

> As a new heaven is begun, and it is now thirty-three years since its advent, the Eternal Hell revives. And Io! Swedenborg is the Angel sitting at the tomb: his writings are the linen clothes folded up. Now is the dominion of Edom, and the return of Adam into Paradise. See Isaiah xxxiv and xxxv chap.
...
>Have now another plain fact. Any man of mechanical talents may, from the writings of Paracelsus or Jacob Behmen, produce ten thousand volumes of equal value with Swedenborg’s, and from those of Dante or Shakespear an infinite number.
>But when he has done this, let him not say that he knows better than his master, for he only holds a candle in sunshine.