Which one, /lit/?

>>8629994
Kobo :)

>>8629994
Book

Anyone who answers otherwise is gay and probably likes justin beiber

The kindle/mobile reading has the benefit that you can tap a word and it will show you the definition. Books can't do this.

But I still prefer books because I like to sit in buses and trains and make people see what I'm reading. Sometimes I'll spent hours considering which cover of a book I should buy.

Beautiful object vs ATM machine

>>8629994
> v.s.

Kindle, because I don't have to pay for books

>>8630042
>not stealing from friends' houses and from stores

>>8630042
The way you sentenced that is wrong. You're implying that you pay for kindle but not for books, when you probably meant the other way.

>>8629994
E-reader because of not being faggot

I like physical but hate the wear and tear, makes me buy 2 copies for storage and for reading anywhere. While Ebooks help me read during the night and no wear and tear.

>>8630047
No, if anything he accidentally implied that he was already or inherently not paying for books, which then brought him to the Kindle somehow

>>8630056
But that would mean he's even more retarded than I have originally estimated

Ebooks

>free
>can read instantly

>>8630020
This

I wish I could read ebooks because they're so much cheaper (free) but I have a hard enough time with concentration as it is, I can only hope to concentrate on physical books for some reason

Do you buy your ebooks from Amazon© and/ other stores?

>>8630069
This is not a bad reasoning. Read a few books physical then switch to ebooks. If you have an android phone I really recommend you to get Moonreader. With the right settings (margins, font, spacing, bg colors etc.) it looks A-MA-ZING, it even tops out those shitty ereaders.

Book of course

Why Book is so great:
-doesn´t need a battery
-immune to sun and water
-better vision
-more handy
-real, physical copy
(ebooks can be deleted, if your account gets deleted)
-you can beat people with your book, if they don´t agree

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>>8630099
>books are immune to water

>>8630103
if you spill your beer over an Ereader it´s gone.

A book will survive.

>>8630099
>-immune to sun and water
nop
>-better vision
not unless it's a low eyesight edition, in which case e-readers can display in even larger font
>-more handy
overall heavier and bigger, no
>-real, physical copy
?
>(ebooks can be deleted, if your account gets deleted)
doesn't work like that
>-you can beat people with your book, if they don´t agree
with an e-reader, you've read enough that you can bring up real arguments instead

checkmate atheists

>>8630124
reddit: the post

Two days ago I would have said the e-reader but now the touch screen on mine has died from a 2 feet drop off of my bed so I'm not so sure anymore

book

you can build a whole shelf with books
also you can use books to insulate your walls during winter and make a fire

I prefer paper books for actual novel reading, or for any long form reading. But comics and graphic novels are much easier to acquire, use and read on an e-reader or a tablet.

>>8630054
are you being serious?

>>8630069
Same here and it's annoying as fuck. I can read from a book just fine, but can't focus on an e-reader at all for some reason.

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>>8629994
Pretty happy with my paperwhite.
>Pretty high initial cost is offset by pirating a bunch of books afterwards
>Can read in the comfy dark without turning any house lights on (the PW light is adjustable, you can make it very dim)
>you can "carry" about a thousand books around with you
>I mostly read in my second language and if I don't know a word I can tap it and read the dictionary entry for it.
>literally impossible to lose your bookmark
>You can lie in bed on your side and you don't have one half of your book annoyingly in the way
>grills can read their porn books in public
>you can get an E-book instantly and don't have to hike down to the library or order it and wait. Also available 24/7
>People who read A LOT don't fill their house with thousands of books they eventually have to get rid of any more.
>If you are a buyfag ebooks are usually cheaper too
cons:
>No "Book smell" (all though you can, and should, put it in a protective leather case giving it a nice leathery smell)
>less sentimental value. Some people care about feeling the paper, and holding an object.
>Books with lots of pictures (childrens books or science textbooks and such) are usually displayed pretty badly.
>Can't give a book to a friend to read unless he also has an E-reader

Neutral:
Battery life. The Batteries in my PW hold for ages and usually I recharge it when putting new books on it. I never had to stop reading because it needed to charge.

Who kind of luddite retard would actually prefer paper books?
Ebooks are light, have customizable fonts, word search and shitton of other fantastic functions.
Keep wasting money on slices of wood, faggots

>>8630131
Since when is reddit equivalent to being right? You may needtogoback.gif

>>8629994
Books and Kobo. Books are nice, build your own shelf and whatnot and I find reading an actual book more enjoyable, somehow. Kobo is a lot more portable, easier to hold, has back lighting and most books are "free", so I have both.

>>8629994
Pictorial literacy commands that the one depicted in the right is the protagonist, left the enemy.

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books. i like to jot down notes on the side of the page.

>>8630022
>hating Justin Bieber
How's 2012 treating ya?

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the kindle brand name being used interchangeably with e-readers as a whole makes me think of how normies talked about ipods 10 years ago and it fucks me up

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One of the caveats of ecucks is that you won't be able to add to your bookshelf, thus preventing you from owning true patrician's home library.

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>>8629994

>there are multiple "people" in this thread who either paid money for a book or paid money for a kindle

How can you even be that retarded? Just download the books for free as pdfs and then you can read them on your phone or laptop.

>>8630060
No, you idiot, he fucking bought a kindle and downloads books onto it for fucking free.

I read from my phone. I read while I'm commuting and I don't have to carry around extra books or gadget this way.

>>8630235
Also, search function and ability to translate shit are pretty nifty.

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>>8630099
>doesn't need battery
My battery lasts for weeks. It is not an issue to me. Although this is an advantage that books have over e-readers, even if it's a minor one.
>immune to sun and water
Books are not immune to sun and water, on the contrary. My Kobo, on the other hand, is immune to water and sun.
>better vision
What does this even mean. E-ink technology allows for "vision" that is as good if not better than books. Also back light.
>More handy
Fuck no. Try taking a 1000 page doorstopper of a novel on the train. It's unwieldy as fuck. An e-reader on the other hand is a lot lighter and handier.
>real, physical copy (ebooks can be deleted, if your account gets deleted)
All my books are DRM free, my friend. They're not linked to any account.

All in all a pretty stupid post.

>>8630209
You can put notes in an e-reader

>>8630253
To be fair, putting notes or highlighting text in an e-reader is usually slow as fuck, at least it is on my device. I hate people who write in books though. I just use a notebook.

>>8630226
>paid money for a laptop
You can steal the Nooks on display easily if you're not a dumbass

Digital storage and distribution of text is obviously better than the alternative but I hope for clever new iterations of the devices.

>>8630265
I might be missing the point, but it's not very obvious to me that digital storage is better

>>8630264

>paying for electricity

Just use the free everything at libraries, you can even sleep there so you don't need to pay rent for your own place.

>>8630269

How is it not obvious? It makes the information available everywhere and also free and indestructible. Are you intentionally being contrarian?

>>8630269
Takes up less space, easier to copy and distribute, takes a lot less resources to produce.

>>8630269
A whole library of information fits in the palm of your hand, is instantly cloned at no cost or effort and can almost instantly be distributed to the other side of the planet.

>>8630311

b-but muh shelves...

>>8630318
Don't let your possessions own you

>>8630269
Doesn't degrade, can't get dirty, no wear and tear, take up less space,(to a point where you can fit an entire fucking library on a decent sized hard drive, so MUCH less space. a fraction of the space.) can be send across the globe in seconds. On top of that it doesn't kill quite as many trees.

And as has been pointed out: E-readers are just all round better for any books that are purely text. The only reason that speaks for traditional books over Ebooks are sentimental ones.

>>8630282
>>8630283
You'll have all the information of the world, but print, or rather, not even print, and barely "writing", will lose all local specificity, since all information will be decentralised. Meaning information itself will tend to be more and more global in the sense that it cannot concern only the interests of this or that region, with their local writers, traditions to keep, etc., but everything will belong to everyone, and therefore some things must needs be reduced and abolished for the sake of avoiding a colossal information overload with no selective appeal of relevancy to it. You will have everything yet you will not be able to make anything of it. Interest in context will not disappear, but the understanding of the notion of context will, since all "text" will speak to all contexts at once. Writers will not know to whom they write; they will not be able to calculate effect as a Shakespeare or a Chaucer could in their own specific situations, etc.

>>8630327
I and my possessions share each other, fairly and evenly.

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>>8630336

>muh shelves

>>8630336 (Me)
>>8630353
Yes.
It really is a sort of God complex that we're developing, wanting Literary (or informational) Omniscience, Literary Omnipotence, Literary Omnipresence. The difference between the immediate experience of book-reading and kindle-reading is a moot one. The point is in the different kinds of services that book culture, or print, are configured within, as opposed to the decentralised services that digital technology are configured within.

And the services of digital technology really don't need much literacy. We're killing away the conditions that gave us our literary heroes, sweeping it away with the condition that give us our movies, TV, Internet personas. But to keep our consciences a bit diverted and quiet we come up with these provisional anaesthetes like the Kindle devices. The Kindle device revolutionises literature much in the same way the barbarians revolutionised Rome.

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>>8630233
>free books
>Have to pay for the fucking kindle
>not going to the library for actual free books

Book. I have a Kindle and used to read on it but it was just so easy to load up a browser and start surfing the world wide web. Plus, staring into a torch before bed is never good. I also like the physical sensation of a book and being able to gauge my progress easily.

>>8630396
This is the true and most patrician answer, but you'd have to have an amazing library to have access to everything /lit/. My library has no pynchon and I really wanted to try his stuff because memes, I'm assuming they're lacking a ton of other stuff

I hate reading on my laptop. Would I hate an e-reader?

>>8630814
No, the screen is different. I'm always surprised when people here say they read on their smartphones. Even the new phones with amoled display are still tiring. E-readers are much kinder on the eyes.

Went from spending $20 a month on paperbacks to rarely buying anything with this one simple trick.

>Sentimental reasons are not valid

Do you guys even read?

Book>Kindle

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Kindle, because I'm an environmentalist.

>>8630909
A book can break down in 100 years. Kindles do not.

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>>8630909

That's the dumbest reason I've ever heard.

>kindle with plastics and metals that don't degrade and cause emissions when created

>book made from paper

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>>8629994
>mfw all these grandpas ITT
Kindle is objectively better, it's time to get with the times and let go of the vastly inferior alternative.

>>8631021
>book made from paper that has to be shipped to your door in a hulking smoke-spitting mammoth delivery vehicle

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>>8630984
>>8631021
>there are literal retards in /lit/
You do know that trees are slaughtered to make paper, a product that is used for books...right?

>>8631021

After the initial investment of the kindle, at least, it's not constantly hungering for more paper and ink like a printing press. Add that the logistics of delivering the books from the press to stores/homes. Also, how quickly something degrades isn't the only factor in regards to the environment.

I'd say digital is still more environmentally friendly.

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>>8630022
>this album
>bad

>>8630131
Top Kek

>>8630139
Wood floors Anon?

>>8629994

My phone. I don't care how I read the stuff just that I read. I have read more on my phone than I have from books.

>>8630077
That for that Moonreader suggestion, anon. I have just pirated it and it seems to be a step up from fbreader I've been using for a long time.

>"nudnikally"
>tap word for definition
>"definition: in a nudnik-like manner, in the manner of nudnikality"
>the word happens to be conjugated in a way you can't highlight just "nudnik"
>or the software simply doesn't let you
Fuck mobile dictionaries. If I want to find the real definition I'll have to google it anyway and so the Kindle is rendered useless.

The main reason I prefer books is that reading from paper is comfier than reading from screen.

Tfw can't read during the night without lights on. True patrician can see full vision during the dark, right?

>>8630311
Booklets btfo

>>8629994
Does anybody else here subtly edit ebooks of the classics, like changing a line or two every page and shares them on the internet? I must have influenced the literary experience of so many strangers.

>>8630114
The nook and some kobo models are waterproof :) just soak up the beer with a paper towel and wipe off any dried on residue with a damp cloth!!!

>>8630401
>kindle
>browser
What did he mean by this?

>>8631617
you mad bastard.

>>8631533
My nook lets me type anything into the dictionary search after i select a word and hit look up; so i could just touch the search bar then backspace 4 times

I'm sorry you bought a shit device lmao

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>>8631024

>Kindle is objectively better

no they aren't. physical books are vastly superior for annotating. pleb board tourists pls go.

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>>8631722
>ruining your books
>not taking separate notes

The alpha male feeling of owning a physical version of a book outweighs all the benefits of kindle.

>>8631724
chaotic good i guess

>>8631726
>the alpha male feeling of owning a book
the standards for alpha males seem to have gone down in this nu-male age

>>8631724

>>ruining your books

a few of the rarer, time-worn ones in my collection i would take notes alongside and leave unmarked.. but for every book?

i buy them to study them. your method is overly delicate and time-consuming.

>>8629994
both because I'm not an autist that has a fit when something is different from normal.

>>8631731
Shut the fuck up

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Textbook pdf in landscape mode.

Zero issues.

How will books ever recover

>>8631731
>tripping

please don't come back

I prefer dead trees too, but I ran out of space for bookshelves. Electronic books is honestly a space-saving solution.

I use it for free classics and pirate sociology texts.

>>8631699
I haven't actually bought anything. My experiences come from borrowed devices and my phone.

>having to handle search bars and typing and backspacing shit
Why? I'm not going to touch any nook or whatever the fuck until they know how to handle a dictionary so that it comes up with the definition I'm looking for with a single tap. It cannot humanly be that fucking hard.

Just give me the definition of "nudnik" right away. Don't make me backspace or search for anything. Give me the definition even if it reads "nudnikally" and not just "nudnik". No, I don't want to fucking highlight half the word, why can't a dictionary figure that out?

Please tell me why some people are willing to pay for the ease of single-tap definitions when it's several taps more complicated half the time.

>>8629994
Books are preferred. They feel nice in your hands, and I would argue that certain artistic choices about typeface and cover image etc. make a difference to how the content is perceived, which ebooks erase. Also, I take a book seriously whereas an e-reader it doesn't feel as important. Plus, e-readers need charging and screen glare is always a problem (for me). That said, e-readers are great if you don't have the carry-weight/space for books on a plane, though I usually take a 250 page SF novella just for flavour.

The one that really makes me prefer books is the smell. The paper smells amazing as it ages, and each library has a unique smell. When I read books from my local library it puts my mind at peace as I can recall the quiet, relaxed yet studied atmosphere of the silent section. Bliss.

>>8630396
>going outside
>ever
Jesus Christ.
>waiting for your library to order in
>if they can
Why not just download instantly?

>>8631812
Do books give you the definition?

Books. The concept behind the Kindle is great, but it's just not satisfying, and I find myself not retaining as much.

>>8631929
>I am a complete pseud
You only think you don't retain as much, because you think you've been told this is the case. Which is stupid, because no scientific study supports such a position.

I'm not even going to touch your "satisfaction".

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>>8631976

You're a little bitch aren't you? You can't comprehend that a person doesn't enjoy the act of reading an illuminated screen?

>THERES NO SCIENTIFIC STUDY STATING THAT PHYSICAL BOOKS ARE BETTER.

That's the most retarded thing I've ever heard. Congratulations

>>8629994
I like reading.

>>8632191
fucking leave now you cunt

>>8631046
its adequate at best, and it wasn't because of Justin's vocal performance.

>>8632059
>You can't comprehend that a person doesn't enjoy the act of reading an illuminated screen?
Why would it be illuminated anon?
>That's the most retarded thing I've ever heard. Congratulations
That's the most retarded thing I've heard today. Congratulations.

>le /v/-tier reaction image

Both.

Ebook if i can't find the book for free, and if i can't then a paper version because if i'm going to pay i'd prefer a physical edition.

Still so much shit you can't get or find in ebook format

Books and E-Readers.
There's just something about holding a book in my hands. The smell, the feel. Especially an older book. I like to sit in my living room and admire all the books that I have collected.
E-readers are more of a convenience than anything. I can't count the number of books that have been destroyed from getting caught in a rain storm. Then there's the matter of storage and price. I just recently purchased the Complete Stories of Sherlock Holmes, which includes all novels and short stories, for $0.99. Definitely would have costed much more if I were to by them paperback.

>>8629994
First read an ebook. Then buy a physical copy.

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>>8631617

It's all making sense now. Leopold Bloom was never really cucked and doesn't actually take a shit as part of the story, it was all just anons meming on me with edits.

>>8629994
Books. I like to feel the pages turn beneath my fingers and smell all the different scents that books possess. That said, I do still read some stuff on the computer and on my phone, but I'll always prefer actual books.

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>>8630099
You are a literal retard a complete waste of dubs

"Book design" is a thing-- it encompasses the art, the materials, the typeface, the paper quality, the layout... Aesthetic considerations.

A kindle too was designed and with aesthetic considerations, but while the device itself may be nice, it displays every book in the same cold and sterile way. Or in a few different cold and sterile ways. Presentation matters, and kindles have none.

Epubs/pdf or whichever digital file they use for ebooks.

Books are nice but i hate it when the .gets wrinkly when you open it.

>>8630020
FPBP

>>8631024

this is actually false lol

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>>8630026
>this very much this

>>8629994
Book; pleb eyes can't stare at a screen without crossing ;_;

>>8629994
Both.

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>>8631686
>soak up the beer with a paper towel
>Wasting beer
Stay out of the alley from now on.

>>8631617
Whether this is true or not (I'm guessing it probably isn't), you just made every ebook pirate cringe in collective paranoia, including myself. Now that's the power of the written word.

>>8630271

>public libraries close at 10 PM

That's why you go to public university and apply for financial aid as homeless. Then gain access to the 24/7 library master race and carry a hammock in your backpack.

>>8629994
audio book
>>8630045
do I look like stalin?

>>8635124
How do you get your audio books?

>>8629994
book
it's impressive going from one page to another and then have read eight-hundred pages

>>8635138
from audiobookbay.me turns out I look like digital stalin.

>>8636058
Audio accompanied by reading? Or just audio

>>8631029
Most paper companies are a net contributer of trees

>>8631024
a kindle doesn't look as nice as a real bookshelf

>>8636361
What would it be an audio of if not of reading? if you mean that "GraphicAudio" bullshit than no, that crap can make any book insufferable. had The Warded Man (Demon Cycle, #1) from them and it was extra garbage

>>8636361
what would it be audio of?

I prefer books.

I like the paper, the whole "sensation" of reading a book. The whole vibe. One of my greatest experiences with books was going through my grandfather's collection. Lots of books, some nearly a hundred years old, all dusty but in overall good shape. Sometimes I'd find one with a coffee spot or a cigarette burn and I'd think: "This book was part of someone's life. Not only its content, but this specific print".

I admit I judge people based on the amount of books they have, and their state. A girl once invited me to her flat and I just wanted to grab and kiss her when I saw old books with faded covers and torn joints. Old prints of Sartre, Camus and Dostoyevski just laying around the flat, all weathered and obviously often read sealed the deal for me. You know she could get new ones in any bookstore, but she kept reading the old ones.
When I see new prints of classics it's just "meh". They feel soulless.

Somewhere deep down I also like people noticing what I'm reading without having to tell them. I don't care if it's some unpopular and objectively shitty book I'm trying to finish and just get over with it or a timeless classic, or something not well-known. Not for the cool-factor, just for the possible conversations it can start. It's kind of a statement. An ebook reader says: "I'm reading". A book says "I'm reading this specific book". That difference is important to me, but I can't explain why, at least not well enough.

Can someone explain what the point of 'e-readers' is when we already have laptops, tablets, and smartphones covering every possible size you could ever want to read off of?

>>8631046
god every fucking time i see that cover i just think what the fuck this guy has got one of the most expensive and tightly constructed public images since they have been trying to reconstruct how he is percieved after his shenanigans and arrest and yet somehow they made this fucking hilariously shite cover with his hands not even praying more like hes scheming for his next devious little misadventure i mean truly what has this earth come to dear lord