So /lit/ help me out with this
I was reading the dialogue between Socrates and Thrasymachus
Thrasymashus says that what is right is to obey the interests of the stronger party (aka a government), Socrates says that if the stronger party makes a mistake and then the people following the laws are no longer really doing what is right because the law is no longer to the interest of the stronger party.
Thrasymachus says that a craftsman, such as a mathematician, or a doctor; cannot make a mistake. So a ruler cannot make a mistake and does whats best for himself, so "right" is when the subject follows the laws made.
My problem is that this makes zero fucking sense, a doctor and a mathematician can make mistakes, insomuch as a ruler can. How the fuck then can Thrasymachus say that they cannot make mistakes?
I did not read this particular dialogue but it's pretty obvious that the >implication is that even if these craftsmen make mistakes, they do so not out of malice or incompetence, but because such things are inevitable therefore it's foolish to consider them such.
>>8615777
I don't think that's what they were getting at, but thanks!
>>8615748
>a doctor and a mathematician can make mistakes,
A doctor can make mistakes, i.e. scalpeling the wrong organ, but surely a mathematician can't. The mathematician discovers mathematics.
If he's making a mistake it must either be in his own calculations or a fault in the fabric of his doctrine.
IDK
I don't think we actually get any points for reading gay ass greek things.
If you're new to Philosophy you might as well skip the greeks, they're redundant now anyway.
>>8615748
Even if a doctor, leader or mathematician can make mistakes, these guys are still experts, so your best bet, as a layperson, is to trust them (in matters where their expertise is relevant, obviously).
>>8615748
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>>8615748
He's highlighting the difference between utilitarian and humanitarian prerogatives.
A craftsman is always performing his craft correctly in as far as his goal is the same no matter what errors he will make, his end is the production of a form, and when he makes errors they are simply miscalculations that create unwanted difference between what he has created and what he is trying to create.
The reason for all of this is mostly because the craftsman is concerned with particulars and not particulars except in that his reasons for doing the craft might be of a more universal, philosophical nature, but that's besides the point.
In things like philosophy, "mistakes" are a much more frightening concept because these universal ideas dictate particulars, for instance a religious craftsman will create religious art, or a barbaric craftsman will create something to harm others; the criteria which determines what they choose to make is of a universal nature, not a particular one.
The particular is the stroke of the brush on canvas, the universal is the end to which this activity is directed.
>>8616197
>particulars and not particulars
m( particulars and not universals