ZIZEK DESTROYS CULTURAL MARXISM

>>8598938
He didn't destroy it!!!!!

Hahaha wtf

seeing what this board has to say about zizek is excruciating

>>8598961
By "destroyed" OP means "identified"

>>8598938


>Please take the time to read what others have written, and try to make thoughtful, well-written posts of your own.

>>8598976
He identified it, labeled it as a conspiracy, filled a man with straw over the 'muslim fanatics are not real, it's all just marxists', and then moved on.

The nuance that the marxists use real fanatics that are completely at odds with their own social motivations and his own far deeper worrying over European right-wing over Sharia enthusiasts is lost on him. He's literally the kind of marxist that the 'cultural marxist' conspiracy theorists and right-wing 'intellectuals' are talking about.

>>8598983
OP here.

Ok.

Zizek correctly points out the complete absurdity of the extreme right in modern day politics.

Supporters of Russia yet believe that Anti-Russian sentiments in the forms of buzzwords created by Naziism (cultural bolshevism) are actually real.

Entirely opposed to refugees due to women's rights yet simaltaneously extremely mysoginistic in their approach to women, sometimes bearing on autism and even believing in restricting their pre-existing rights including sentiments of female inferiority (must be submissive to husband, restore family way of life, etc.)

Both extremely patriotic yet believe that their countries leaders are financing regimes opposed to them to push Muslims into europe in order to cause havoc for some reason eh? whatever!

Complete rejection of 20th century philosophical movements and attempts to turn these movements into some mass conspiracy with incredible paranoia somehow related to obsifcation of language, yet they themselves employ these same methods.

Extreme support for Israel in its functioning against islam which drives them to the west but anti-jewishness.

Simultaneously economically libertarian yet support a protectionist leader (donald trumo)

>>8599001
If you actually watch the whole video, he attacks both leftists and people on the right, he does believe in islamist fanaticism and hates it but he criticizes the right because he thinks they are the wrong people to take up the debate against islam, rather it should be secular leftists.

>>8598962
I feel like there was a few months where Zizek posting worked out well.

>>8599027
Why would I waste my time? What I heard him say at the end of the video was that the European right-wing is far worse in its social policies than the fanatical migrants being brought in.

His example was abortion in Poland and the three exceptions to pro-life laws (rape, harm to the mother, deformities). Somehow that was meant as proof that the European right-wing is far worse than Islam. Truly he just came across as SHOOK that the leftist project is dwindling and that the various right-wing components are becoming sophisticated enough to stop it. It could have been an interesting thought had he compared leftist sentiments from ten years ago, in which leftists were openly criticizing Islamic practices, to their sentiments today and then tried to figure out how such a change had come about.

I then heard him criticize anarcho-syndicalism based on the hard hitting, 'when has it ever worked historically?'. This coming from a Stalinist or whatever the fuck he would like to call himself.

>>8598938
1:30:00 the eternal clash of marxism and anarcho syndicalism

>>8599051
You took his words literally, in the sense in which he says it and if you know his speech, you will know he means generally, as in a minority among refugees or hate preachers

*i am not in agreement, i am simply an analyser

>My broblem is the following... wan
>HAHA
>*sniffs*
>*rubs face*
Throw in something about niggers and dildoes and you have everything Zizek is capable of in under 5 minutes

>>8599020
I would have went with:
>entirely opposed to refugee crisis
>support destabilization of middle eastern governments which cause said crisises

Making it a gender issue, and fitting their narrative of leftists labeling everything racist or misogynist, is too easy and ignores the real issue, and gives them an easy rebuttal of "HA cucc."

Why is this guy so famous? Funny meme accent and sniffs?

What is with this dude? Why is he always sniffing and rubbing his nose? Does he have a cold that will never go away? Why does he always sound like a dentist is operating on his mouth?

>>8599094
his analysis is actually pretty good desu
>>8599100
nervous tic

Does Zizek have Tourette's? Interesting guy but very difficult watch
Also how does he interact with anarcho-capitalism? I'm a religious fundamentalist and an anarcho-capitalist so I criticise both Islamic violence and European immigration policy. The former for being violent and the latter for being public (violent)

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IMAGINE A WORLD WITHOUT CULTURAL MARXISM

>this entire thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ti2GCl0C5_A

>>8599191
For some reason it's 2d

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>>8599020

>Case in point

Tonight in New York City, MILO along with Gavin McInnes, Martin Shkreli and more will present a piece of performance art at “Daddy Will Save Us,” the first Pro-Trump art show.

ANGEL MOM
MILO, 2016
Ceramic bathtub and pig’s blood

In this installation, MILO pays tribute to the suffering of those who have lost loved ones at the hands of illegal aliens and Islamic terrorists. Many violent criminals have been deported multiple times only to return to the United States to commit more crime.

Drenched in the blood of innocents, MILO urges the viewer to consider the suffering wrought by globalist, Left-wing immigration policies, lax policing and the obsessive pandering and mollycoddling of Islam by progressive social justice warriors.

MILO is a warning from Europe. He urges the viewer to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN in November.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SRlK8bZvqk

>>8599164
You, sir, have been memed beyond wildest imagination.

>>8599209
I thought that Trump was the candidate to vote for if I didn't like gay leftist """"""""""""""""""""art""""""""""""""""""""

>>8599226
>he doesn't know how faggy right wing art is
Ha Ha Ha Ha

With US politics being completely exposed in how much corruption goes on in it. I'd hope people would give more thought into the matter than write it off as a conspiracy theory.
What was exposed in America started off as conspiracy theories too, until they got exposed, now it's reality. We need to create a new word. Conspiracy theory is tainted.

>>8599209
I love the contrast between the Stefan Molyneux crowd that supports Trump for thought-out principled reasons and some naked gay dude smoking a cigarette in a bathtub full of pig's blood
All these anti-feminists on Youtube and edgy teenagers aren't conservative. They're ideological whores who don't give a shit about consistency. They're just right-leaning leftists

>>8599226
Right wing art is unironically ridiculously homoerotic.

>>8598938
he said nothing of interest at all. his actual argumentation was stupid. really shows how bad the political understanding is here that anyone would think this is good.

>hardcore muslims believe it's okay to rape for a husband to rape his wife, stone a woman if she cheats, women aren't allowed to drive, women aren't allowed to be alone with other men if unmarried, can rarely show skin to men other than their husband, etc, etc, etc.
>wellllll in poland hardcore conservatives have rules against abortion!

wtf zizek, i respect you but come on

>>8599209
This shit is embarrassing

>>8599281
It's the ideology behind the points he's criticizing.

>>8599287
one ideology at its height did essentially fuck all to harm women vs. men (nazism)

the other is easily the worst ideological virus for women's rights in human history

not an argument

>>8599291
As in the idea that the right claims to be the protectors of women when it's just a power grab but I assume this is a bait post based on the last line

>>8599294
If you'd actually make a fair historical comparison between Christian and Islamic conservatism (let alone their literature) it'd be obvious that the right has legitimate concerns.
But nah, I'm sure all those conspiracy theories about Rotherham, Sweden and Germany are just made up by conservatives so they can get more power.

>>8599294
it can't be both? no shit it's a power grab, and muslims vie for that power. everyone with a working amygdala advocates for their in-group vs. the out-group.

are you baiting?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal
>1.86% of popln.

>>8599303
>>8599306
You two have to actually be retarded to so blindly miss what I was saying. Zizek is claiming that the current right has many misogynistic overtones yet is claiming to be the protectors of women, which is what he calls ideology.

>>8599315
he says poland's conservatives treat women worse than muslims.

"...these same people in internal european politics are usually even more conservative than muslims who are arriving."

this is blatantly FALSE. who cares what he's saying about ideology when his foundation is so pocked with holes?

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/11/europe/britain-muslims-survey/

>>8599257
If you think molyneux has even a tenth of the intellectual worth of even a second rate leftist theorist today then you should really just fucking off yourself.

>>8599315
I hope you realise that "misogynistic overtones" are absolutely nothing compared to the historically consistent views of Islam every since the writing of the Quran. Just read the New Testament and compare it to the Quran. Both texts reflect each society's treatment of women for the past 1500 years and to say that Christians and conservatives don't really care about the mass rape and oppression of women is pure paranoia. There's no basis for that. Zizek is simply wrong in saying that European politicians are more conservative than Muslim immigrants. Is that even relevant though? We've already seen the effects of mass-immigration of Muslims into the West, and these European politicians have essentially been vindicated.

>>8599333
>I hope you realise that...
I do, you don't seem to be getting the point. It's not that they don't care; it's that that caring is an entirely secondary point.

>>8599328

That's the problem with leftists. They're theorists.

Leftists want more niggers and spics? They haven't even integrated the ones that are here.

83% single motherhood rating Milwaukee.
79% single motherhood rating in Detroit.
72% nationally.

What the flying fuck you retard leftists, that's not integration.

>50% highschool drop out for nogs and spics.

Get these fucking failure savages out of our communities you complete and utter retards.

Incentivize births from your white and Asian populations, and make a fucking utopia.

This is why China is really heavy into censorship and is super, super racist. They're not going to be subverted by retard leftists.

I fucking love how the west keeps trying to school China on "human rights" and what not.

Every Chinese diplomat when dealing with any other nation is thinking in the back of their heads, "we've had civilization for 5,000 years. We'll be here 5,000 years from now."

When you fill America and Europe with people who can do little more than pick fruit, you're going to have a really fucking bad time when shit hits the fan.

China is going to sweep every other nation so fucking badly in 100 years because of just how badly the marxist ideology will fail.

You honestly think white men and Asians are going to pay for shitskins for more centuries and stand for diversity quotas?

lol you leftists are delusional.

>>8599349
>another race bait thread

>>8599349
>China brought to you by Xi "We get bombed regularly by brown people in our country and can't even keep people who speak Cantonese and drive on the wrong side of the road" Jinping
>Here in 5000 years
>A model for anything

>>8599349
>the marxist ideology

>>8598938
I'm not going to waste any more time listening to this babbling retard.
>Let's rather throw out the non-muslim fundamentalists
>They're a bigger threat to Europe.

Absolutely idiotic, along with his little followers on this board and others.

>>8599349
>China is going to sweep every other nation so fucking badly in 100 years
>implying the U.S aren't gonna take the world down with them in a nuclear war sooner than let that happen

>>8599340
>waaaaaaah why can't everyone be free of ideology!

women don't even WANT to be protected by men of their own race based on their voting, so there isn't much input from women on that side. if women voted far more conservative they'd influence that party block and advocate for their own rights.

so men are blamed for being racist neanderthals, and men will only be blamed again once the countries are overrun, for being weak. and white men will deserve it.

the fact remains that one is pure evil and the other, when left to its own devices, comes with several niggling and annoying detractors attached.

>>8599354

>No guys open borders is totally ok. We've fully integrated everyone and everything's fine!

literature

>>8599363
>autistic child throws a fit
Not surprised desu

>>8599363
what are you doing?

>>8599367
This is at least the third in two days. This is a literature board. There is a board for politics.

>>8599373
No, there is a board for national socialism

>>8599371
autism

>>8599388
Go to /r9k/ then, they love that shit
Just don't post it here

>>8599371
>>8599370
>>8599354
>>8599358
>>8599340
>>8599315
>>8599294
>>8599287
>t. autists

>>8599399
wow you really showed them
10/10

>>8599403
autism

>>8599411
autism

How can anyone defend Zizek here

the claim that European conservatives are more conservative than Muslim Fundamentalists is not only false, but hilariously false, that there isn't any way to really respond to church absurdity

>>8599446
>European conservatives are more conservative than Muslim Fundamentalists
he said than 'most immigrants' not Muslim Fundamentalists

>>8599451
annnnnd once again i repost this low-hanging fruit, because there's plenty of evidence of how wrong that position is, esp. since each successive generation is becoming more radicalized instead of less.

>http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/11/europe/britain-muslims-survey/

>52% of British Muslims in poll think homosexuality should be illegal

not that gay marriage should be illegal, but that gays should be imprisoned or killed.

>>8599454
>that position
My 'position' was about what he said.

>*fidgeting*
>*wipes nose several times*
>*licks lips*

holy fuck, the shit about his fucking "tics" are not wrong

and that was just in the time I skipped to

>>8599476
you were just giving us the correct interpretation of the falsity of his argument, is that it?

lol

Why people still support multiculturalism after seeing the destruction it has wrought just baffles my mind.

>>8599320
>>8599454
By definition, British Muslims are not Muslims immigrating into Europe.

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>>8599164

>>8598938
Žižek is getting old. His rambling is completely off the mark.
No, European Christian fundamentalists are not worse than ME/African muslims in any way imaginable.

Also, anti-immigration is much more than just Christian fundamentalists who hate muslims, in fact they're probably not even the main anti-immigrant force.
There are many others, such as plain racism or ethnic preservation (which is a taboo topic to the leftists), working class people scared of losing jobs, secular cultural concerns or even just an angry backslash against the mainstream pro-immigrant propaganda.

Maybe Žižek is ignorant of this or maybe he's just stuck in his role of the leftist intellectual and is scared of losing his reputation/job.

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>>8598938
Cultural Marxism is very real, you need only look at the SJW college politics in recent years. They are marching through our institutions and ruining the west.

>>8599616
I'm p sure he says European anti-immigration fundamentalists. Him saying Christian fundamentalists would have been weird to my mind.

>>8599598
not him but what makes you think that british muslims would have more conservative, anti-western values than muslims immigrating into europe?

>>8599271
>>8599226
i guess we must vote the third way :) hello mussolini, old friend

>>8599650
"Fundamentalism" means religious conservatism. European fundamentalism (that doesn't really exist anymore, especially in the institutions) means Christians and ME/Arabic fundamentalism means Muslims

>>8599205
/pol/ and /a/, together at last.

>>8599676
>"Fundamentalism" means religious conservatism.
If that's how you want to be I'd suggest you stop posting 2bh. Even if we go a little autismo and stick to dictionary defs it's going to have wider application than what you're portraying. You've gone full autismo tho: you've decided on some narrow definition and then used that as a way to interpret something in a weird as shit way.

Nobody can have a discussion with you when you act like this. So what's the point of posting?

>>8599887
I have never heard fundamentalist used in a way that did not relate to religion.

>>8599887
Literally just look up fundamentalism

>>8599893
>>8599952
L M A O
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I love Zizek.

>my gott, the left has no real solutions! this is the tragedy of the left, they're fukuyamists!
>stop insisting we need solutions you technocrats! what we need to do now is think!

Anyways, nice of you useless left wing fuckfaces destroying our civilization with the import of cheap labour islamic hordes :).

>thread on right wing thinker
>deleted after 5 posts

>thread on left wing thinker
>228 replies, 68 images

t. mods

>if the unborn child is monster, freak whatever

>>8600039
>the labour meme

what are robots

Žižek is a hačk.

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>>8600074

I'd rather have robots than Middle Easterners.

>>8600080
Me as well, anon.

Praise Gnon.

>>8600096


Tomorrow will always take care of itself.
Hail hydra.

Does anyone have Fanged Noumena as an ebook?

>>8600110

https://s3.amazonaws.com/arena-attachments/406213/42bdb859549f609953a0ca61aca0bee3.pdf

>>8598938
Haha yesh My Gott some immigrants are bad, and so on, but they are not as bad as Christian fundamentalists who comprise a *snif* *pull shirt* wooping 0.001% of a Northwestern European country, thus it is not the, how you call it, immigrant muslims and so on. NO, it is the fundamentalist chrisians who we should pay attention to.

Fuck Zizek on this, I like him though I often disagree with him, but here he is just blatantly wrong in his analysis.

I also dont get this argument that: yeah things are bad, but look at that group! they are even worse, so let's stop focusing on group A cuz group B is even worse.

This fucking Leibnitzian concept of 'we're living in the best of all possible worlds' crap.

It's the same when some shitty VVD politician told a member of PVV why he was still in Holland if everything was so shitty. How the fuck is that an argument.

>>8600150

I feel like everyone is acting so fucking retarded these days.
They can't seem to think and just kneejerk their way through discussions with shittest of tier arguments.

You hear arguments like "ok you say so many people in North Korea are imprisoned, but guess way, there's even more in the US!"
As if these things aren't qualitatively different...

>>8600042
It shouldn't be happening, but /pol/ itself - I think the reason for the delete - doesn't necessary behave that well. Not that /lit/ is any better.
I remember a thread about the alt right, and I was interested in knowing about it, and got insulted with typical remarks, yet I am not even from /pol/ nor do I consider myself rightwing.

At /his/ we come much more often in discussion, and often conflict, with /pol/ but it never results into the kind of insulting and shit flinging that I've experienced here.

I do not want to imply that all rightwingers are /pol/.

>>8599209
If you think this was cringeworthy, you need to see this:
https://youtu.be/mBSqCEwAliI?t=41m55s

So much for the alt-right.

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>>8600171
>the masses are stupid
stop the fucking presses

>>8599226
>Milo=Leftist
wew

>>8600042
This literally doesn't happen
Every actual right wing thread (ie not 'CANT STIUMP DA TRUMP XDDDD) hasn't been deleted

>>8599284
>>8600251

it's truly a wonderful time to be alive. this is what reality looks like in 2016, Dutch Happa crusader Geert Wilders speaking at MILO's gay pro-trump art show. This picture in not photoshopped

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>>8600625

>>8600625
I want to die

>>8599020
>Supporters of Russia yet believe that Anti-Russian sentiments in the forms of buzzwords created by Naziism (cultural bolshevism) are actually real.

Its possible to support some aspects of Russia while condemning others...

>Entirely opposed to refugees due to women's rights yet simaltaneously extremely mysoginistic in their approach to women

Literally what. Gonna have to elaborate on that one bucko

>Both extremely patriotic yet believe that their countries leaders are financing regimes opposed to them to push Muslims into europe in order to cause havoc for some reason eh? whatever!

Loving your country =/= loving your leaders, dumbass

>Complete rejection of 20th century philosophical movements

Not all, just some

>Extreme support for Israel in its functioning against islam which drives them to the west but anti-jewishness

Thats a huge generalisation. You cant lump neo-cons, alt right, and cons into the same group

>Simultaneously economically libertarian yet support a protectionist leader (donald trumo)

Even bigger generalisation

To sum up, after reading your points, I have to conclude that you are not an intelligent person. Possibly one of the dumbest posters I have seen on /lit/

>>8599616
>ethnic preservation
spooky AF

>>8600751
>Literally what. Gonna have to elaborate on that one bucko

much like the thesis of this popular alt-right video. boils down to barely sublimated sexual anxiety about muh big muslim cocks and sluts fucking everyone but me. Actually, people are having less sex than they did back in the heyday of the sexual revolution

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxpVwBzFAkw

>>8600782
Im not *deep* in the alt right or anything, but I have spent a lot of time on /pol/, so I know more or less what they're views on women are (I assume that's the crowd you want to talk about, even though its only a tiny subset of the right wing.)

I can't be bothered watching that whole video but I skimmed a bit and I can already guess what the message is. It's probably very similar to the generic /pol/-view on women, which is: They do not think rationally enough to be worthy of a vote.

First point: This is partly true. Women do act more on emotion than men. They are also more in tune with social pressures and social status, so they will often take positions based on what will benefit them socially.

Second point: This is partly false. Men are like this too, to some degree, and many men will also choose their political views based on emotions and social pressures.

I think the alt-right crowd believes that having individual views that are not swayed by society or emotion is a traditionally masculine trait, and I would agree with them on this. I would also agree with them that masculinity is dwindling and discouraged in modern western society.


(NB: I do not agree with the term 'alt right', I believes it seeks to define something that does not exist, but I am using it for simplicity's sake.)

>>8600758
False. There are many objective measures of how much better societies function with ethnic cohesion.

Striner-fags are far too cavalier with the spook-trigger these days

>>8600813
A spook isn't something that isn't factually supported, it's an idea that only has as much power as people give it

>>8600834
I know that.

>only has as much power as people give it

Ethnic cohesion has unconscious benefits for a society. Its not something you have to think about go 'oh yep, thats a good idea'. It just works on its own. Ever noticed how animals of a certain species variant will not mingle with those of a similar variant of the same species? Its a part of 'natural law', if you will.

>>8600840
>Ever noticed how animals of a certain species variant will not mingle with those of a similar variant of the same species?
this happens?
>It just works on its own
because people buy into it, at least subconsciously

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>>8599257
>the Stefan Molyneux crowd that supports Trump for thought-out principled reasons

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>>8600846
>this happens?

Yes, a lot actually.

First example I could think of off the top of my head was Killer whales. As you can see in pic related, the different 'types' differ very little in appearance, less than races of humans. But a pod of whales will always consist of a single type, and these different types inhabit specific geographical ranges.

There are thousands of examples of this in the animal kingdom. I'm actually surprised you hadn't heard of it before. Maybe they try to avoid talking about it in schools because it doesn't support the idea of muh globalist 'one world nation'

>>8600884
>Maybe they try to avoid talking about it in schools because it doesn't support the idea of muh globalist 'one world nation'
Or because I never had to take a class beyond biology 1 lol

>>8599209
I like Milo, but this is disgusting and embarrassing af.

>>8600921
>I like milo
Disgusting and embarrassing af

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>>8600921
>I like Milo

>>8598962
Not unsimilar to how excruciting it is to hear what Zizek has to say

>>8600927
Not that anon, but I think he is a very good speaker. He manages to get certain points across that challenge the status quo without looking like a sperg, which is harder to do than you think.

He's a breath of fresh air in the media scene. All of this alt-right shit is. That's why I can't hate it. It is the single movement in our time that challenges the status quo, and I think for that reason it can't be ignored.

>>8600971
>caring about such plebian things as 'the status quo'

>>8600978

>Being so indifferent to the status quo that you don't care whether or not you are a part of it, thereby incriminating yourself as a highly probably plebeian

>>8598938
How are euros more conservative than hajis that demand their women to cover up? I don't understand this argument.

>>8600982
>not even making sense
pleb af

>>8600982
capital is the status quo. Milo is a multimillion dollar multimedia brand, a phantom conjured up by the spectacle as a means to keep you docile and spooked af. Milo is actually about as transgressive as Buzzfeed or any of the other intersectional liberal content farms.

>>8600998
>Milo is actually about as transgressive as Buzzfeed or any of the other intersectional liberal content farms.

Now this just isn't true.

His views on young boys and how education is failing them (mostly by trying to raise them the same way as young girls) is not something that anybody else wants to talk about. It is a LOT easier to make money by preaching that girls have all the hardships. Normies are far more likely to buy into that view. But he chooses to focus on the issues facing boys, simply because no one else will. His views on free speech are less unique, but just as difficult to monetise.

tl;dr if he was purely in it for the money, he is going a very stupid way about it.

>>8600884

Killer whales also have different "cultures." Different types feed on different things and have unique whale songs.

For example resident killer whales feed exclusively on fish, while transients range more widely and hunt other marine mammals. There is a third type that swims far from shore and hunts both fish and large animals.

>>8601019
he's tapping into a large crowd thats has been previously ignored
how is that not fishing for dollars?

>>8601019
modern education is part of a larger, increasingly absurd capitalist system that is about to fail itself, probably dragging us all along with it.

>>8600971
>He's a breath of fresh air in the media scene. All of this alt-right shit is.
Just want to point out that Milo is not alt-right, neither according to him nor to the alt-righters.

that brown chick at the end wanted the zidick!

>>8601055
Ok but there is a lot of crossover. I'll be the first to agree that the term 'alt-right' is still very loosely defined. I'm just not aware of any other terms to describe the young, right-wing resurgence we're seeing amongst the younger millennials and older gen Z.

Also milo sucks, everyone on the supposed "alt right" which doesn't even actually exists in real life thinks he is a gay jew and controlled opposition, no one takes him seriously besides the jew media and idiots.


The alt right is an umbrella term for people who are against mainstream conservatism, leftism, and liberalism.

Its a coalition of far right extremists who dont even agree with each other on some things, there are actual fucking monarchists in there.

Another thing is that there is no organization, the alt right is basically a guy with right wing views who has access to the internet.

Another thing is that they are more intellectual than the previous waves of right wing, they are into julius evola and René Guénon and Joseph de Maistre and guys like that.

I would like to see a cage fight between zizek and Alexander Dugin live at summerslam


No one actually gets what nazis where, they weren't traditionalist, they wanted to burn everything to the ground and start a new order

The alt right are about tradition.

It is sort of ironic that the consertive right wing people use the 'women's rights' argument when they usually want to limit some -other- rights of women I guess is what he's saying?

But both ways of taking away rights can be found bad right?

>>8599349
those single motherhood rates aren't constant through history; they're not an essential aspect of the black soul

>>8601136


The funny thing is that we saw the destruction of the black family coming, there is something called the Moynihan Report that describes everything that has happend to the black familly and how we should fix it but we did nothing about it because liberals called it racist.

The thing about liberals is that they need black people to be dependent on the government to have a voting bloc.

A strong black family would be more conservative, would be more successful and less reliant on government programs

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Negro_Family:_The_Case_For_National_Action

>>8601100
>Another thing is that they are more intellectual than the previous waves of right wing

Every movement has some intellectuals, sure, but the bulk of alt-right seems pretty ignorant, based on what I've seen posted online. And very quick to condemn things as degenerate with no real argumentation. Not to mention the anti-Jewish paranoia.

>>8599363
Please leave.

>>8599020
Sounds spooky.

>>8599598
>an "integrated" populace with bigoted values is sure to have worse morality than people pulled out of syria!

great "point"

>>8601458
delete your 4chan account

>>8599209
I have a boner

>>8600628
What the fuck, why is the right spending time in these degenerate activities

>>8601214
The bulk of people in general is pretty ignorant senpai. The amount of doublethink from the Left is what baffles me the most.

Daily reminder that 4chan is the alt-right's biggest platform. Just let that sink in, just that little nugget. Feel better now?

>>8602993
tfw been here for seven years and these fucking kids now tell me to go back to tumblr

>>8600628
Wtf is going on in this pic

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>>8599609
>but then the local papa johns shells your house

>>8602999
don't you know political correctness is bad and the solution is to be an actual racist

>>8603152
what is your solution?

>>8603176
be a racist you fucking nigger kike beta cuck whiteknight

>>8603152

yeah, you really should go back to tumblr though.

>>8603181
do you like trump because nobody likes you irl?

>>8603182

i like trump because i live in a third world country and don't want to be bombed by hillary shekeltonberg

>>8603192
haha you remind me of this autist my mates and i kept around for laughs

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>>8603196

sure.

>>8603201
is that supposed to be you?

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>>8603202

this is me

>>8603209
daniel?

>>8603152
>an actual racist
Nice buzzword. Every normal person has some "ethnic preferences" so we're all effectively racists.
You can pretend this isn't true, but sooner or later someone will speak up and feelings will get hurt.

>>8603217
ethnicity isn't race you dumbfuck and how you equate the existence of racial preferences to using racial slurs is autism at its finest. stay friendless mate.

>>8603241
>insults and buzzwords

I expected nothing else. You're a living stereotype.

>>8603217
>Everyone is racist
Oh Boy, it's the leftist original sin

>>8603277
>any word i don't know the definition of is a buzzword
i thought autists were smart but you've gotten the short end in both fronts.

>>8603241
you know people are born "dumbfucks" and "autists", just like they're born "niggers".
why do you feel it's ok to use some insults but not others?

>>8603312
>dat autism

>>8598938
Why do people like this want attention so much? He could just right books, nothing about his person is qualified to speak in front of people. Why is it always the least interesting people that want the most attention?

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>>8603337

Dude is fucking young pussy and making millions of dollars spitting and sniffing in front an audience

>>8602976
The nüright is all about defending western faggotry and free market economics

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>>8603455
>and free market economics

?stealth marxist propaganda?

>>8598938
I'm pretty sure he said it that critics of cultural Marxism are conspiracy theorists, which would make sense since Zizek is basically a cultural Marxist.

>>8601019
Even if he's preaching to the minority, it's still a significant minority. The market for leftist media is so over saturated that it's probably a better play to do the alt-right thing if you're willing to sacrifice your image.

First time I've heard this man speak. Why does he sound like he has a jolly rancher in his mouth?

>>8603182
I like trump because I love western civilization. I've read Shakespeare. I've read Orwell. I appreciate Bach and Beethoven. I don't want us to throw it all away in the name of political correctness. That's why I support Trump. He's our Lionheart, our Charles Martel, our Robert E Lee. He's the only thing standing between us and SJW cultural marxist dystopia.

>>8603507
>leftist media
Mainstream media is neoliberal AF. They merely incorporate the language of identity politics.

>>8601019
The Economist has written extensively about that exact issue, and it's about as much of a mouthpiece for the neoliberal Establishment/Cathedral as it gets.

*rambles*

*sniffs*

*adjusts shirt*

*rambles*

>>8600971

>'This is all so refreshing!! Such a breath of fresh air!'

What are you a middle aged soccer mom? When will this godawful meme die.

I'm not intelligent or patient enough to think through why your line of reasoning is wrong but I just know, to my core, that it is and you're a fucking idiot.

>>8603589
Do you honestly think SJWs are out to do away with Shakespeare and Beethoven? Don't be fucking stupid, anon. Trump doesn't give a shit about western culture or high art or anything besides making money.

>>8603345
You say this based on what evidence?

>>8603589
People like you are so fucking stupid holy fucking shit. You've ACTUALLY swallowed and digested this whole left/right, SJW's vs. good salt-of-the-earth people shit. You'd have the most stupid, ill-equipped dickhead take office because:

>He's the only thing standing between us and SJW cultural marxist dystopia

What in the fuck is that. Are there any actual thoughts of your own in your cunt brain? 'He's the only thing standing between us and X!!', I mean, holy shit really? Kill yourself.

>>8599205
Kek

>>8603661
>>8603634
Trump is the last hope for Liberty and western civilization. If the regressive left and the Muslims were to take power. It would all be gone. The world would be one massive safe space, thought criminals to the gulag. Coffee colored genderless peasant units toiling away in collective farms for all eternity, under the watch of the party. No liberty. No individual thought. The old culture is banned forever. This is what the Marxists want. They hate the west.

>>8604186
7/10

Almost had me.

>>8603345
And Lesie Jones is rich. There is something deeply wrong with the world.

>>8600751
to sum up, after reading his points, you should have concluded that you do not know the programs of any of the far right parties in Europe.

>>8599209
Wow, you can tell that they really care about those people on the back wall who's lives were brutally cut short. How tasteful and respectful.

>>8604249
It's always fun to see the inverse of the No True Scotsman tho: the "yeah well I'm not even Scottish, where do I fit in? How does this apply to me?" argument.

>>8599271
The Nazi party was also filled to the brim with faggots before the night of the long knives.

>>8600806
>I'm not involved
>but I know what they're like
>but they're a minority
>who don't exist
Woah.

>>8603337
>He could just right books
Surely up there as one of the saddest sentences.

do liberals really think that europeans are more patriarchal and oppressive to women than islamic fundamentalists

>>8604338
What does that have to do with this thread?

>>8604411
>>8604338
Tbh even the idea of liberalism in the sense that anon means being something big in Europe is weird af. Europe's more about labour movements, liberalism is like a US/Can/Aus thing.

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>>8599663
What makes us discuss true blue Westerners being more right wing than Syrian immigrants too? It's multifaceted, but it's worth bearing in mind that much of the Arab world is something like what's being called "liberal", that their far right by and large are not immigrating but rather attempting to form a right wing super state, and that the response to oppression from the right tends not to engender right wing sentiments either.

As to why a single, CNN click bait study showed something, a lot of it is going to he because it's single and clickbait. We're not doing a literature review here, a single report of a study is not going to tell you much (they may be misrepresenting it, but more importantly there's just no way to assess the study from just the results). Even if we take the above link as on par with a comprehensive review (we can imagine we have brain damage or something for a second), a lot of the time immigrants (esp 2nd and 3rd gen) end up over compensating to fit in and get a weird mix of hyper traditional conservative values from their home and cultural origin. Far right muslims may also be more inclined to respond than other muslims.

>>8599209
First as tragedy, then as farce.

Can't I just have my nation be strong?
Why you gotta force me to accept policies that degrade the security and economic strength of my land?
I know, globalism this globalism that. You know what, that doesn't solve the problem. When someone islamic can cross the border and we don't even check their facebook page I have to ask myself just what are we doing?

I'd rather stay away from arguing philosophically who's better, because policies are what's going to determine the future of our lives not philosophy.

>>8606284

You're right, modern Marxism is a farce in all its forms.

>>8606300
I don't subscribe to mainstream Marxism fortunately. They're just as big of a joke as the modern right.

Zizek is a rambling retard who's doing the exact things he weakly complains about.

>>8606295
IMO the fundamental problem is the problem of ownership, in a general sense.

That is, the pro-immigrant "no borders" types believe that the people who live in your country are not the exclusive owners of your country and that the world belongs to every human on Earth.
It's a "nice" idea that looks good on paper and theoretically it could even "work" and make us all happy, but every person with the basic knowledge of history, "human nature" and common sense can see that it just leads to conflicts and/or mediocrity, because people are fundamentally selfish and they just want good life and resources for themselves.

As soon as you argue that all people and all cultures are equal ("those Africans aren't worse than us, they're just different and we just don't try hard enough to understand and accept them") you're fucked. Even someone like Žižek admits it on a cultural level (he's not a cultural relativist), but he won't go one step further, because doing that would kinda make him a legit right winger and "racist".

>>8606322
>Even someone like Žižek admits it on a cultural level (he's not a cultural relativist), but he won't go one step further, because doing that would kinda make him a legit right winger and "racist".

Well, he does say that, for example, he wants some things to be set in stone, he doesn't want to live in a world where we have to have endless debates on whether raping women is morally good or not ever day, and he has some other examples too, but you'll notice that he always picks examples that the typical SJW has to agree with so that he doesn't fall out of favor with the mainstream academia, which is such a weaselly spineless thing to do.

>>8606322
>That is, the pro-immigrant "no borders" types believe that the people who live in your country are not the exclusive owners of your country and that the world belongs to every human on Earth.
You're making a poor reference to Locke. Locke is really better read as what is at hand belongs to you if you can make better use of it. If you can do something better than the """indigenous""' population, then you have divine right to do it better.

This still means that the people who live there are the ones with a right to the country, because they are the only ones with the resources at hand. Where you tripped up is assuming a kind of ownership to begin with, *your* country. The *you* has some kind of divine right to the country separate to the people who live there. In other words a Robert Filmer argument.

>>8606330
>he always picks examples that the typical SJW has to agree with
You know he's like actual best friends with Judith Butler? He isn't some prof looking for tenure either.

>>8606420
>You know he's like actual best friends with Judith Butler?
Yes, what of it? He's in with a bunch of insane dykes actually, I've seen dozens of his speeches.

>>8599020

>Supporters of Russia yet believe that Anti-Russian sentiments in the forms of buzzwords created by Naziism (cultural bolshevism) are actually real.

Different things

>Entirely opposed to refugees due to women's rights yet simaltaneously extremely mysoginistic in their approach to women, sometimes bearing on autism and even believing in restricting their pre-existing rights including sentiments of female inferiority (must be submissive to husband, restore family way of life, etc.)

Maybe they might be two different people saying two different things? Find a person that says both of those things at the same time

>Both extremely patriotic yet believe that their countries leaders are financing regimes opposed to them to push Muslims into europe in order to cause havoc for some reason eh? whatever!

liking the regime/=/ liking a country

Complete rejection of 20th century philosophical movements and attempts to turn these movements into some mass conspiracy with incredible paranoia somehow related to obsifcation of language, yet they themselves employ these same methods.

Give an example

>Extreme support for Israel in its functioning against islam which drives them to the west but anti-jewishness.

Most anti semites do not like Israels treatment of Palestinians

>Simultaneously economically libertarian yet support a protectionist leader (donald trumo)

Has it ever occured to you that you do not have to agree with a political candidate on everything?

He is just creating strawmen

>>8606477
>I've seen dozens of his speeches
We got some kind of expert here!

The only coherent part of >>8606330 is Zizek has some kind of need to falsely endear himself to SJW/mainstream academia and as such must hide his true racist misogynist self. The actual lay of the land shows that he neither needs to endear himself to either, but by virtue of the relationships he has chosen to have he is not racist or misogynist.

Where he differs from SJWs and also for that matter /pol/esmokers (that really are very similar) is in how he talks about racism and sexism. When he says his jokes about race both look at him and go "oh look really this guy is a racist" but in fact he is not.

>>8606483
>Maybe they might
This is the attitude endemic to your whole post. You weasel about never really engaging with any points, never really making any points yourself, and to top it off you throw in a fedora tipping accusation of strawman.

>>8606517
I throw in an accusation of a strawman because that was his whole post random assumptions trying to make the whole right seem contradictory and hypocritical.

>>8606523
Again he is not talking about the whole right, he is talking about a certain movement in politics in Europe on the right.

>>8606532
ok,i'm not right wing btw
I am volentary egoist

>>8606510
>When he says his jokes about race both look at him and go "oh look really this guy is a racist" but in fact he is not.

Besides the fact that we don't really know what anyone "really is", we don't even have an unambiguous definition of racism.
So at the end of the day all this talk of racism is very lowbrow.

>>8599349
Leftists are the types of people who are so up in the clouds they become blind to basic common sense that's apparent to everyone else, they're generally intelligent of course, but their narcissism leads them to use their all their brain power towards becoming something far more stupider than your average Joe who they despise only because he doesn't have enough raw intelligence to do vain and petty mental gymnastics.

>>8600806
>women do act more on emotion
>men are like this too
so human beings have the ability to be emotional? thanks for the info.

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If this degenerate thinks parties in the West calling for reduced abortion rates is equivalent to massive sexual assault, terrorism, and martyrdom on a CBA scale, then his critical faculties are surely impaired; and it is typical someone with those same impaired faculties advocates for a sort of utilitarianism, when he shows obvious inability to adjudicate the data sufficiently.

>>8607240
>degenerate
stopped reading there

>>8607260
If you're so afraid of the word, perhaps you should cease being a vanguard for degenerative opinions.

>>8607260
Just sit back and enjoy the idiots jump around trying to do something with Zizek and fuck up over and over. It's almost like a brute force attack.

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>>8607552
Claims with no warrants.

>>8607638
It feels like you're trying to signpost something there... is it the Toulmin method? If so you've screwed up in understanding it somehow.

>>8600782
HAHAHAAH this video is the embodiment of a beta cucks manifesto, autists trying to rationalize why he cant get laid 'w-woman are biologically attracted to bad boys, t-thats why they don't like me, r-right?' fuck man, I hope multi-multiculturalism does breed these pathetic pinkskins out of existence

>>8599349
>72% of American moms are single mothers
Holy fuck no wonder you guys are so messed up

>>8609536
I like those passing moments where "society is too bubblewrapped, evolution and natural selection don't happen anymore, if only we like lived in the wild or some shit and you'd see how edgy I could be as a hunter gatherer" and "wah, everybody is having sex but me, I will die a virgin, those people are genetically different to me and procreating but it's because they're actually worse than me somehow!" intersect.

>>8598938
>Slavic lisping clown stereotyping muh-marxism in English ultra-neo-liberal media.
>revealing a conspiracy.

Come on OP, you're supposed to be able to read beyond the entry-level to post here.

Right, guys..?

Guys...?

>>8598938
The cultural marxist conspiracy was started by a publication that also claimed the New Critics were agents of the British Empire.

>>8609630
Are you aware of the Moynihan report?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Negro_Family:_The_Case_For_National_Action

In 1965, they considered a 25% (twenty five percent) rate of kids born out of wedlock alarming and needing an urgent response, and Moynihan compiled all the info and all the things needed to create policies to counter that.

He was called racist and anti-feminist and sexist, and now it's 75% and no one gives a shit because they're a great Democrat voting demographic.