the dadaist movement was right

so was your mother

Not
Literature

>>8564779
and my father to be quite honest. they conceived me and they were born at the same time because dada means father I guess and DUCHAMP MADE URINOIR

>>8564783
ask Tristan Tzara

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>>8564773
>>8564783

more like left

>>8564773

Pretty cmuch early 20th century equivalent hipster nu males and sluts trying to be unique/deep and rebel against bourgeois society and renaissance art because they were too pussified to take up arms. Just fuck off this is not even literature REEEEEEE

>>8565713
remember what WWI meant to France and don't compare

>>8564773
ignoring common sense because you're shit at art and inducing worldwide feelings of pointlessness and nihilism is so epic

thanks duchamp, you useless uninspired untalented fuck

>>8566485
>>8566397
>>8565713
shut up

>>8566485
They were very talented but they chose A different path for fun and to protest

>>8566485

Duchamp was extremely talented, too bad for him all he's remembered for is a toilet.

Why don't you look up shit before giving your stupid opinion

Is 4chan the modern dada?

>>8567440
We are cubists

>>8567440
Belching up stale memes is in no way Dada, quite the opposite and what Dada was critiquing.

Is art always leaping behind philosophy? I thought his fountaine was an illustration of a 'problem' that was dealt with ages ago. Same with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Oak_Tree.

>>8567484
>fountaine was an illustration of a 'problem'
this is misinformed on so many levels

>>8567484
Dada was just a anti-realist reaction against the World war I. not a big deal.

WHAT IS ART? HEHE. TROLLED.

>>8567484
It is probably more about philosophy claiming it has "dealt with" something and dismissing it blissfully ignoring the real word that still finds it significant and worth discussing.

Philosophy is the aloof teen saying they are too wise and smart for childish things while science and art are gleefully playing and discovering new things.

>>8567500
I didnt mean it was supposed to be such an illustrtion, but that what it showed in the end wasnt a new addition to philosophy.

>At about this time, Duchamp read Max Stirner's philosophical tract, The Ego and Its Own, the study of which he considered another turning point in his artistic and intellectual development. He called it "a remarkable book ... which advances no formal theories, but just keeps saying that the ego is always there in everything."[17]

lel

please stop posting

>>8567512
I suggest you visit the online philosophy store for new thoughtful additions every day!

>>8567520
Who are you talking to

>>8567533
Everyone

>>8564773
Dada wasn't even an art movement you obtuse degenerates

>>8567649
Are you retorded?

>>8567649
Yeah, it's more literary and philosophical than artistic.

>>8567699
Name one, just one, dadaist writer except of Tzara

>>8567649

Dadaism was to art what Nietzsche was to philosophy.

That is, its corollary.

>>8567711
you[/spoiler]r cunt[/spoiler]

>>8567718
We are witnessing a degrengoladic downfall of /lit/

>>8567711
Hugo Ball

>>8567726
now fetch my newspaper, boy

A dada masterpiece:

$66##&&
This is
Code coad cod
Doc
Turlee turlee jinx
Inzeenieer making my day
Low lay
Once again i repeta code coad cod, doc
5"#&&/4
Thank meyou

I want millions of dollars and to be a legend

>>8567756
upvoted

>>8567756
>millions of dollars
Since when were the Dadaists particularly rich?

>>8567796
I am a neo-dadaist and this is my manifesto

>>8567756
basically 4chan posts from the 1920s

>>8567849
Is dadaism ironic shitposting

Art is at its best when it reflects mans search for God.

>>8566485
>being this pleb
unironically????

>>8567948
And at the start of the 20thC the toilet was the best place to find him.

>>8567987
the Buddha of the bathroom

>>8567756
Is that the tracklist for the new Autechre album?

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>>8567969
Anon is pretty spooked.

>>8568032
No its the tracklist for the new Bon Iver

>>8568101
Disgusting.

>>8564843
Why is Leto a pharaoh's head on a giant dong ?

>>8564773
Hang on... that Breton mini-expo aisle just opened up in Paris which is titled "when the surrealists were right", and it happens to be situated within a few dozen feet of one of Duchamp's own two replicas of the pisspot.
Do I win something?

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>>8568141
maybe

>>8568141
fuck Breton pope of surrealism

>>8567649
>>8567695
>>8567699
DADA DOES NOT MEAN ANYTHING

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>>8566485

>duh it's not a photorealistic painting of a horse so it's bad

Fuck off back to Rebbit.

>>8567506
This is ignorant.

>>8566485
>common sense
*laughs controllably and with a good cadence*

>>8566485
WE NEED MORE PAINTINGS OF SHIPS IN A STORM

>>8568694
>All non-representative art is of equivalent value by virtue of it not attempting to be a photograph

neo-dada is even more right

>>8569924
the fountain is non-representative?

>>8567484
>The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy states that "to fail to consider it a great work of art because it fails to give rise to a distinctively aesthetic kind of pleasure does not actually undermine the project at all. Conceptual art, as we now know, is about conveying meaning through a vehicular medium, and not to provide its audience with experiences of, say, beauty. Any attack on this fundamental feature of conceptual art targets not so much an individual piece but the artform as such."

Kekkek

>>8569929
It is what it is and does not attempt to be a representation in lieu of another thing.

>>8569937
it attempts to be a representation of a fountain

>>8569941
Which it either simply is, or otherwise is an incredibly poor representation of.

>>8569953
a poor representation doesn't mean non-representational. it's not abstract

>>8564773
Right about what, exactly?

DODO

>>8565713
Dadaism wasn't trying to be deep or unique, it was self-described as "anti-art". It was about "intellectual violence" (a Dadaist term), directed against the people who were emotionally numb to war and suffering (particularly WWI), but were emotionally enthralled and captivated by art. It was a giant shit on art, produced by nausea.

>>8570034

So it was basically built on the fallacy that no one actually likes real war and that real war can't be glorious/awe-inspiring?

>>8570040
It wasn't directed against people like Junger, it was directed against the elite.

>>8569941
How so?

>>8565713
in the case of cubism it was more a revival of renaissance art principles of draftsmanship and the close study of objects even if it did depart from the conventions of representation, especially euclidean perspective. early modern art isn't so much a rebellion as it is a resolution of art. the true anti-art occurred in the 19th century when it tried to appeal to the middle-classes, since they now actually had access to art after the effects of the enlightenment and the revolutions changed the structure of society (and consequently the purposes of art)

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>>8570040
>real war

>>8570034
>>8570049

Which one of these is right?

>>8570110
I am, that guy is just an idiot spouting off Marxist drivel about how "real art" is ideologically revolutionary or something, and because Dadaism was ideologically revolutionary, it was "real art", and the bourgeois art was anti-art.

even Andy Warhol was talented

>>8570121
not only do you have the most pleb opinions on art, you can't even read or comprehend the arguments of others. what about 'renaissance principles' is revolutionary or marxist to you, faggot?

>>8570373
>replying to a non-anonymous poster

>>8570380
Nice try namefag but what anon wrote concerning dada and cubism sounds about right to any reader that's a wee bit educated on art history.

>Art is what you can get away with
What did he mean by this?

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Honestly anyone here bitching about "art today", don't understand art. If art conveys more than one emotion or idea, introspection.

It isn't about looking pretty. It can involve light show, sound, it can involve sculpt, it could involve bird feathers, who cares, as long as the ideas conveyed form a cohesive whole that's legible in context. And mostly, none of you are in context.

None of you art read in art.

You say we should go back to landscapes. But what do they even suggest? They are meant to be evocative in a totally different way, but you just chose them because they look pretty.

Looking pretty hasn't been part of art for a long time. The same people who make jokes about Hitler, and are all for NatSoc, and returning to tradition, values, these same people will defend the Gestapo locking up or even killing artists that disagreed with party line. Or depicted the human body in nude, or suggestively at all. Created music with suggestive themes of intimacy.

It's fucking nonsense, the amount of talent gone out the window because of ideas of exactly what art is always creates the opposite effect, and demands more cerebral art you don't care for.

I would rather have an Egon Schiele than anything any of you consider "good art", anyways.

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>>8572560
If you have to ask, you'll never know.

>>8572560
He meant that he masturbated in public whenever he could like the degenerate he was.

>>8572708
Oh just shut up. The people here have done worse without even justifying it as art. Should I consider all your unique tragedies and cold eyes art? If I did, it would be a compliment you should take.

>>8572596

I'll ignore everything you said since you're so butthurt to point out that Egon is actually GOOD and talented and hardly any people argue against that, especially art critics. I don't know why you use that example. Most people complain about what's been happening since the 50s and 60s whether they realize it or not but you're just a dimwit.

Muh feelings, muh introspection. Ya cause obviously renaissance painters just liked le beauty and there was no deeper meaning.

>>8572715
I'm still right.

mudslinging is pretty dada

Why is all art shit now?

>>8566487

Mad art history major detected.

Fuck off

>>8564773
this isn't dada you fucking troglodyte go do some research before you post

>>8567756

is this and aphex twin tracklist?

>>8572718
>I don't know why you use that example

Because your complaints were of art being too ugly. Art dying, art being for tired intelectuals who have nothing else to contribute, that art has become for the world's loser.

All of them weren't new, and all of them were lobbed at so many of his time at him, illiterate as you are to art and what it means. What art even is.

It comes from the soul, what you want is shit.

>Most people complain about what's been happening since the 50s and 60s whether they realize it or not but you're just a dimwit.

Another generation complains about art, new art comes, new art goes. Those who never understood what it was all about, miss the point and lament for a time which they never saw or never heard or never felt or never touched.

>Muh feelings, muh introspection. Ya cause obviously renaissance painters just liked le beauty and there was no deeper meaning.

I would rather criticize idealism in art than sit here all day fucking praising it to death. Never use "muh" in a sentence again you fucking amateur, it makes you look like a foolish teenager who repeats what he sees like a parrot.

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How do we get art out of the galleries and into peoples homes?

>>8573196
Not at all an art history major, I'm just tired of you and your kind commenting on art for all the wrong reasons. You can be educated in many different subjects, and you can speak on them.

You can speak on many topics uneducated as well.

I will loathe the latter, while embracing the other.

>>8572596
Bad art is done in self-congratulation or pseudotransgression.

That man spreading his asshole that one some award or something is both of those things.

DUCHAMP WAS TO ART WHAT HUGH MUNGUS IS TO MEMES

TRIGGERING PEOPLE LEFT AND RIGHT

>>8573401
>>Bad art is done in self-congratulation or pseudotransgression.

Are the posts you make about art, bad art?

>>8572596

>schiele
>good post

I like you

>>8572708

>masturbating in public
>anything but patrician

laughingdiogenes.tiff

>>8573412
Posts are not art.

>>8573433
You're right.

>>8573433
THIS POST IS NOT A ART

>>8573433
>>8573444
>>8573452
>>8573412

beuys would like to have a word with yall

>>8565713
Duchamp is a genius and a spearhead of Daidaism, so you're dumb.

>>8573258

I'll just ignore that you deleted your original post for the sake of public congruence.

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>>8573561
Dadaism is the world!

why was he exempt from french military service?

>>8572894
Because you don't know where to look, or you have spent too much time in the past and now your standards are also in the past.

>>8570040
No, Dada looked at the huge clusterfuck that was ww1 and looked at their ""''glorious european culture"""" that produced it and felt sick and deluded for having bought their own bullshit.

That's a big part what's behind dada

>>8572596
>Honestly anyone here bitching about "art today", don't understand art.
You only understand modernity

>>8569919
WE NEED MORE (badly installed) URINALS

>>8567506
Philosophy is the only truth, and that truth is that we can't know anything.

Solipsism is the only truth.

>>8574113
>You only understand modernity

Pfftftpptpfptpfppf

>>8572596
this, the key is understanding that art has and does fulfill different purposes depending on the art itself. otherwise you may as well shit on romanticism in music because you can't dance to it at the club. the only thing i disagree about is i don't think egon schiele is that good

>>8572718
most people complain about the same things artists from the 50s and 60s were complaining about i.e. action painting, but they don't have an actual sense of art history so they think it's all one homogeneous, elitist wankparty that they're too cool to be invited to

>>8573261
paint more boats in storms

>>8574226
>the only thing i disagree about is i don't think egon schiele is that good

You got me more heated than if you just insulted me.

>>8573772
glorious french culture*

dadaism was looked down upon in france because it seemed too german

>>8574237
maybe you don't like asger jorn

>>8574244
I know it's a totally generic answer, but I cannot help but love the beauty of any Gustav Klimt piece, to be honest. The beauty in each is intoxicating.

>>8574248
i understand the appeal but klimt just isn't for me

>>8574241
and dadaism was looked down upon in germany because it was too french, what's your point

>>8573561

>"Artist"
>genius

lol

>>8568140
Because Leto Atreides is his own spirit animal.

And that animal is half man, and half giant Sand Worm.

He is also the last Sand Worm by God Emperor of Dune, and so the galaxy is reliant on his highly addictive mutagenic alien poo, and his alone.

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whats the modern day's dadaism in art? meme rap?

Dada is like a big white dick covered in poopoo jizzing on all our faces.

If you meet dada on the road, sniff its rear end.