Can someone explain the female book blogger/vlogger phenom? I

harry potter and twilight did this to us
hunger games whatever the fuck ass niggas

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>>8539197
>Can someone explain
People like looking at cute girls. Girls like to read shallow novels about relationships, this has been known for a while pic related. Some of the latter are cute, and modern media allows hem to project their cuteness to a wide audience in return for validation, or the prospect thereof.

>Why
The feedback mechanism is simple. They post pictures of themselves chatting about their execrable taste in fiction, anywhere from several to tens of thousands of people tell them how great they are, so they keep doing it.

>>8539197
they want a fun hobby and they're not into athletic shit or video games, what's wrong w/ that

>>8540015
did she delete her tumblr too? I looked around for it a few months ago and i couldn't find it.

>>8540015
goddammit 4chan

>>8539197
>why are they so desperate to parade around their mediocrity?
This is something happening on a MUUUCH larger scale, far beyond the vlogger thing.

To address your question: dunno. But i share your curiosity.

>>8539197
They're trying to dispense writing advice even though they only just talk about what shitty books they've read? Sheeeit.

Most women are incapable of privately enjoying something. They need to put it on display.

Any suggestions for recent works that discuss the linkages between narcissism and social media?

>>8540028
Literally nothing. If you like shitty genre fiction, it's perfectly alright. People have liked bad fiction for centuries now.

>>8540749
http://www.npr.org/2016/07/12/485087469/me-me-me-the-rise-of-narcissism-in-the-age-of-the-selfie

>>8540015
you bunch of dinguses

>>8540827
I liked it

>>8540033
No she still has tumblr, but it's a new one.

>>8539197

Women like to talk and show themselves. Betas like to listen because they need a surrogate friend. It's the same reason let's plays and ASMR are popular.

If only we could kill everyone who watches this shit.

I've thought about this a little.

People (at least young people) need a sort of identity to try and fit comfortably into the world. Being a 'bookworm' is an identity and thus preferable to being a nobody who sits about and does nothing all day.

But some people aren't faithful that their identity is legitimate, and need some sort of recognition. Youtube does that. It doesn't matter whether they actually are good, because they just need to feel that they're doing something worthwhile.

I don't think this is unique to 'book bloggers' or tumblr users or women or anyone, but universal thing. It's the same here -- people get into literature because they think it's worthwhile and to not to be doing something worthwhile is unthinkable. It's just a comparatively pleb way to do it.

>>8539197
How are you even exposed to this shit unless you seek it out. To call it a "phenomenon" seems a stretch.

>>8540801
>mememe
Coincidence?

>>8540921
>Phenomenon
>a fact or situation that is observed to exist or happen, especially one whose cause or explanation is in question.

How is it not a phenomenon, then?

>>8539197
She looks like the waitress from IASIP

>>8540943
>3. a remarkable or exceptional person; prodigy; wonder.

Yes, I accept that women make videos of themselves discussing their favorite books. Probably because some women are intense readers, just of the female equivalent of genre fiction

>>8540015
This was perfect. Did we really scare this girl away from making cheerful videos about her books?

>>8540920

I've noticed this too, Millenials seem to be the most attentionwhoring generation ever and with the internet coming into play it's made us look incredibly boring and average. So now everyone is doing outlandish things to try and make themselves stand out from the crowd, even though ironically they are conforming to another crowd with the same beliefs, ideologies as them..

I think some of them aren't as bad as they come off, they just know they won't get views if they talk about Ulysses/Infinite Jest/Gravity's Rainbow/etc.

>>8540920
The search for identity and the ease of instant validation through social media. Hmm ... Sure I'll buy that premise for a dollar

>>8540015
that is beyond hilarious

>>8540033
She has an astrology blog too. Or at least she did like half a year ago.

>>8541094
>Millenials seem to be the most attentionwhoring generation ever
60s counterculture was plenty wew. Of course they didn't represent all.

>>8540004
Old hags aren't cute

>>8539197
Readers-and I use that term loosely-used to be marginalized and secluded, so called nerds and geeks, same as gamers. But with the onset of social media platforms like youtube and instagram, these outcasts found a hug box/circle jerk station (think /lit/ but less existentialism and DFW) which they held for a while, untill geek culture became a thing and it was taken over by chads and sluts. Consumerism is nice to voyeuristically observe and look up to, that's why there are so many Book Hauls and Book Shelf videos and very little concise reviews and discussions.

>>8541094
I think it's hard to say if it's a millenial thing. It definitely could be, but I would say that it's rather the youth of the present generation rather than something inherent to them. Once people get older this behavior tends to stop (unless they fail to grow up). My thinking was influenced by Erikson's stages, precisely the part where he said teenagers were fighting for an identity.

http://web.cortland.edu/andersmd/ERIK/sum.HTML

>>8541192
Dealio

has that slightly-lesbiany northern england girl made any more videos? the one who allegedly posts here

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>>8540015

>>8541323
>slightly-lesbiany northern england girl who allegedly posts here
I'm interested

>>8541323
https://www.youtube.com/user/PionsAndQuarks
You mean her?

>>8541333
yes, thanks anon.
i liked her old hair better

>>8541325
>>8541323

>Northern England
Is she a fellow Geordie?

>>8539197
i think it has to do with some peoples' general shit taste in media being taken advantage of by publishers and writers of YA. its become a genre with a huge following. if youre a youtuber for this its really easy to do things that make the products more enviable and give the community more interaction(giveaways, tweets, tumblrs about books/fandoms, reviews(ads)). its the same shit that surrounds certain types of low-grade anime and tv shows.

>>8540015

always forget about the piss bottles and lose my shit when i get to them.

>>8541397
not that far north you barbarian, she sounds more manc

>>8541578

>Manchester
>Northern

>>8541581

Manc is North you pleb

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>>8541581

>>8541304

I just thought of something interesting it could be related too. Advertisement was incredibly big in the 80s and 90s in the form of television, with the rise of the internet happening in the late 90s and early 00s. People are paying less and less attention to what's around them and more online, being consumed by their smartphones, so this could be some kind of hungover effect with adverts imprinting onto people. Now instead of products, ideologies are becoming the new cash cow.

>>8542260

To add further to my point, I will call this the Coke t-shirt analogy, in the 80s Coca cola was big and people liked to wear the shirt because they liked the advertisement, the red being the thing which attracted them. Move forward to now in the 10s, instead of people watching Coca cola adverts on TV now they are reading about social justice issues on the internet and are subconsciously giving into the advert, now instead of wearing the shirt they are dying their hair in stupidly bright colours and wearing thick rimmed glasses to make themselves seem smarter to get their opinions across. Hopefully that is more clear.

>>8542267
It seems silly and pedantic to say > the red being the thing which attracted them.
But the general idea of the post appears to hold some degree of truth.

I believe the echo chamber that social media gives is to be blamed.
If all or most of your peers agrees and express blatantly on the internet that: "This is wrong and that is the correct" and if you also share the same beliefs this overexposition will work as the Coca Cola ads you mentioned and the "t-shirt behavior" will arise.

>>8542662

Now I'm trying to think what could've been used as an echo chamber much like how the internet is now used for in the Coke t-shirt analogy.

>>8540004
All stories are about relationships just an f.y.i.

>>8542753
>>8542662

I would say rock and roll were the echo box and trolling of the 80s. It was something people used to vent their frustrations into, similar sort of thing except the method has completely changed.

>>8542260
People always search for identity, especially young people. For some it is advertisements, for some it is ideology, for some it is literature, for some it is retro cars. I don't understand why you need to make this into a chance to make a potshot against smart phones.


>>8542267
I would say that people would wear the T-shirt because it was legitimate -- coke is a recognized brand, and so to wear a coke shirt is to be recognizable, even if that's a bit of a stretch. I didn't live through the 80s and so I'm not going to try and conjecture about that period.

People who die their hair colors and wear thick glasses are trying to create an individual image for themselves, even if it is influenced by the people they admire. The opinions don't matter; The fact that they have their own opinions is what they care about. They could be anything, so long as it instilled a sense of uniqueness.


>>8542662
The echo chamber of social media gives legitimacy to them; It leads them into believing their ideas are correct and thus makes them feel better about having them. I suppose it's like the coke shirt in that there is a perceived quality to the coke shirt that they liked. But I believe the insecure nature of youth is actually what is to blame.


>>8542810
Think more literally. People's echo chambers would be the opinions of their friends. Imagine three liberal girls who sit and do nothing but talk liberally all day. That's an echo chamber. Interesting analogy with rock&roll, though.


>>8542777
Yes, a love triangle between the reader, the writer and the subject.

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>she got a book published before you


/lit/ BTFO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPvA-aBN5eE

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>you will never fuck XXXtine while smacking her over the head with literature

>>8542965
It is not my ambition to be published but rather to create a great work. I don't care if it burns after I die, so long as I do.

>>8542981
I bet you also want to live the literary lifestyle you fucking poser.

Cute. CUTE!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D5ezfAwunc

>>8542986
I already am, motherfucker

It's fun to watch a cute girl talk about stuff you like. Not really complicated.

>>8543026
you like rubbish YA pulp? ayyyyy lmao

>>8540735
that's an insane/untrue statement
>>8540749
do people really assume that because you put your face on the internet you like/are obsessed with yourself?
plus most of these popular girls are making money, it's about that not narcissism
>>8541094
google codpieces
all of you saying young women are the worst most shallow attention hungry people to ever have existed
just...google codpieces or crakows

>>8541248
Also, just because you're an attractive girl doesn't mean that finding people to talk about your fairly niche hobby (even reading John Greene or other popular garbage, maybe 5-15% of a given high school class has read one of his books) is any easier. People like to connect about things they enjoy...sounds...o almost like this board (except these people probably read more).

>>8543378
Why do you feel the need to correct the opinions of NEETs on 4chan? Is it just an insatiable urge for you people?

>>8543387
I usually resist but >>8540735 was just such a bonkers statement I was jarred into replying. I've long learned they're immune to basic logic, facts, or reason.

jake is a gay name

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16 year olds would rather read about a dystopian world where theyre made the victim and a strong handsome guy comes to their rescue, Instead of reading a really serious long book. Just like most women like romantic comedy movies and light films/books stuff like that.

Most dont even read books anymore and intead listen to the audio book, they want an excuse to seem smart and cute by saying they read while also being shallow, superficial and having no taste at all.

another example is girls who say theyre into gaming, just to seem "nerdy" and likeable to guys bc theyre trying to be edgy.
Thats my guess

Read Schopenhauer's On Women, it will all become clear to you. Single most redpilled piece of philosophy in history.

>>8543455
So few young men read that there isn't even YA dedicated to them...do they even read the Hardy Boys...
(and before you say it's because they jump from Dr. Seuss to Joyce no, or comparatively few, women read far more fiction of all genres than men).

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>>8543466
they read the same shit the "teen" girls read, even though all these book vloggers are 25+

>>8543472
kek why are faggots so gay

>>8543455
Exactly it. Women care a lot about how others perceive them and not necessarily how they really are. Don't think I'm being malicious though because they're still generally decent people.

>>8543455
ok holden. (did you get what i just did there? come to 4chan dot org/lit for the most lit book references)

so are there actually any good book/lit related youtube channels? i looked around and pretty much everything i found was focused on YA or sci-fi/fantasy which i'm not interested in at all

>>8543633
try googling books you like and work that way...answer is still likely not really...

>>8543633
no. why would you even think that

>>8543455
I want to turn Christine's bookshelf into a fuckshelf!

>>8539197

Not everyone reads the stuff /lit/ seems to love. This board focuses on stuffy works and philosophy. Some people just wanna sit around reading young adult literature or romance. I rarely visit /lit/ because I read more stuff from the kid's section then I do Shakespeare, but no one here wants to talk about any kiddie novels except Harry Potter.

I don't watch the videos but then again I don't like vlogs. I don't care what you brought at the store. People probably enjoy the person's personalities and enjoy discussing books with people.

>>8544119
/Lit/ likes literature.
What those vloggers are peddling are word-based products with no underlying cultural or literary value.
They can all be shoveled into a furnace and nobody will miss them.
Literature, however, was the base of western culture since millennia ago.

>>8544119
>Some people just wanna sit around reading young adult literature or romance
Yeah, and they're massive faggots.

>>8544321
>Literature, however, was the base of western culture since millennia ago.
WEW LAD

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https://www.youtube.com/user/TheBBCorps

Check this channel out. Book and tobacco reviews. Cringe from the other end of the spectrum.

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>>8540735
>im literally like this
>im a man
H E L P !
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!

>>8541333
She sort of looks like Diane in the Trainspotting movie in that Debords video.

>>8544601
Well done, you don't have autism.

>>8544119
>except Harry Potter
Oh piss off.

>>8542267
>in the 80s Coca cola was big and people liked to wear the shirt because they liked the advertisement, the red being the thing which attracted them
You may have heard of the Berlin wall falling and capitalism beating communism, etc.

What you failed to do with your analysis is work out why the behaviour occured in the first place. So did the economic actors suddenly like red in the 80s and for some reason this behaviour is still around today but not before? Or was there some special reason that coca cola t shirts were the red shirt of choice then? You've just gone "this is red, this is red, they're the same" which is retarded baby.

>>8544566
Kill me now

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>>8540015
Didn't ANYONE save her videos?

>>8540015
This is how you go to hell.

>>8544601

Do you happen to be homosexual?

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>>8544119
>stuffy works
>I read more stuff from the kid's section then I do Shakespeare
>then
>Harry Potter

wanna know how I know you're a pleb?

I've seen a few on youtube and honestly it looks like a very simple money maker. A lot of times I even get the impression they haven't even read the book but were paid to shill so they're just reading some brief synopsis they were sent, or skimmed through wikipedia and turned that into their "review."

>>8543378
>google codpieces or crakows

The exception that proves the rule desu
>two exotic examples from the middle ages are enough to compensate for the nigh seasonal frivolities that women engage in for attention

>>8540015
The only thing they did wrong was linking her to the thread.

>>8546923
>The exception that proves the rule
Spoken like a pseud.

If you really think men refrain from attention seeking behavior or that this type of behavior is new then you need to read a book instead of watching youtube clips.

>>8547117
Spoken like someone who could only provide two extremely dated examples for his fallacious argument and got his butt whooped for it.

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>>8547126
I hope you didn't forget about these guys because if you did they might ... steal your girl.

>>8546923
>two exotic examples
That's meant to be what you're both talking about bruh, peeps doing crazy shit for attention.
>from the middle ages
That's their point, you say "it's happening now!" and they're pointing out "it's happened before! But different!"
>are enough to compensate for the nigh seasonal frivolities that women engage in for attention
In the current year? Clearly what happens in the current year is only what is important because it is the current year etc etc.

This whole thing is badly argued on both sides, but you just start replying with so much bullshit here it's silly.

>>8540015
Are straight guys this unable to keep it in their pants?

>>8547147
I feel like your comment is just too far removed from what happened. Can internet losers not piss in piss bottles is probs more relevant.

Tbqh this was somewhat of an aberration in board culture.

>>8547142
You don't seem particularly knowledgeable on critiquing arguments...

The debate was not "it's happening now" vs "it happened before" but rather "it's happening now with staggering frequency" versus "it apparently happened twice in history"

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>>8547162
I get it man. It's like.... men do things for themselves but women are the only ones who do it for attention.

>>8539197
some youtuber just unbox soap and it still gets likes

>>8540015
Its like watching a trainwreck

>>8544321
>>8544119
It's not that these vlogs aren't about stuffy stuff, but it's all wish fulfillment

>Books where some kid/teenager becomes special and is better than the adults, and love blooms, even on a battlefield
Harry Potter
Hunger Games
Twilight
Inheritance Cycle
Beauties/uglies series
City Of Bones
Mortal Instruments
His Dark Materials
Divergence
Maze Runner stuff
City of Ember stuff


I can read for fun, but the vlogger stuff reviews is self-insert wish fulfilment

>>8541233
If there's one thing women love more than reading books meant for children, it's brainless bullshit like astrology.

>>8547292
>implying people like to feel special
>implying astrology gives people a sense of destiny
>implying astrology provides a similar relief to pleb-level of religion
eh, pretty spot on there.

>>8543633

bulletdeer

seems to alternate between ironic video games, tv, movies, and books

probably dead now though

>>8544651
>that was communism read theory m8

>>8541333
A year or two at university and she's got short colored hair and ear gauges

Apres Oxford

>>8548972
More like PionsandQuirks lmao
fucking oxford

>>8548977
PeonsandQuirks, even

>>8548137
No bruh, coca cola shirts were not "communism" w/etf that means.

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didn't you guys read pic related? Nabokov devotes a great deal of his Flaubert lecture discussing philistines–people without intellectual pursuits. Emma Bovary projects herself into the plot of her romantic novels, which is the shallowest way to appreciate fiction.

But now, in 2016, Emma Bovary has a webcam. After 150 years, Emma is still babbling about superficial artistic views, except she now delivers these shallow reflections to thousands of faceless Léon's

>>8549135
Oh shut up.

>>8541590
>pleb
>give us owt mint or I mad wiya

>>8541581
You're thinking of Mississippi, my man.

>>8549135
>takes nabokov seriously

>>8540749
>linkages
How the fuck did this abomination of a word come to be? The word you're looking for is "links." Anyone who uses the word "linkages" should be shot.

>>8549135
>Emma is still babbling about superficial artistic views, except she now delivers these shallow reflections to thousands of faceless Léon's
nice, solid prose

>>8549159

I've would never read a Nabokov novel lol. Speak, Memory dwarfs his fiction.

>>8543455

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=annE9RuzCEg

>tfw she's writing a YA book
>tfw she'll probably get a publishing deal cuz she has 300k subscribers ayyyy

Do you think I should start booktubing, /lit/?

Currently reading Henry IV, part 2.

>>8549189
>The word you're looking for is "links."
No, link and linkage are similary but different things.

>>8549289
Why is she screaming? Why are there so many sudden cuts in the middle of sentences? Why is she wrapped in lights? Why is she talking like that?

>>8549295
do it!

>>8549295
do you have big boobs or an annoying voice

>>8549356
no and no 2bh

>>8549295
you a cute?