alright so It's out and I grabbed my copy. so far his writing is childish, shallow and yet also pedantic. it seems like overblown genre fiction. are his comics also this poorly written?
plyb
>>8504164
>it seems like overblown genre fiction
Who'd a thunk it
you're at fault for picking up something clearly beyond your level on the basis of memeposting
pleb
>>8504164
no. however, it's comic books and a mediocre writer can achieve massive success in a field where the level of intelligent readers is somewhat lesser than that of literary works. having read only the first page of Jerusalem but several of his short stories, i do not doubt the writing can be pedantic and sophomoric.
>>8504164
Is everyone on /lit/ a jealous piece of shit, wannabe writer?
>>8504164
You don't read Moore for prose. You read him for the same reason you read Philip Dick
>>8505853
well, no. generally, when you read Alan Moore, you read him for the cartoons. he only has one novel (series of short stories if you ask me), several spoken word bits, and a handful of short stories to his name outside the field of comics. i find his comics and some of his spoken word stuff fun and intriguing. his prose? not so much. he may be a master of the comic book medium, but not yet one of prose. his pastiches in LXG Black Dossier were laughably awful.
>>8505853
No, you read him for the same reason you read Joyce (Finnegans Wake version)
>>8505853
>You don't read Moore for prose
Because he isn't a prose writer holy kek, he is a comics writer.
how the fuck is it "childish" writing?
>>8505964
it's just shitty
Was Moore mentioned around here before this thing?
>>8505992
Use your words, in what way is it shitty?
I'm not that anon, I just want to know if it's worth picking up before it gets cheap.
>>8506019
Yeah. It's definitely a lot more right now, but there's always been a consistent level of background Moore posting p much since the board started.
I think typically people have felt his writing isn't bad, but it isn't amazing compared to Kafka or something. This is a little different because it's like his magnum opus, and either it'll be terrible or way better most likely. I think most of the hype were comic book fans finding it too hard to read.
>>8504164
Yes. You got memed the fuck out by /co/ crossposters.
>>8506019
Rarely. and it was never taken seriously. He's being shilled hard.
>>8506019
Only by memers who kept shitposting the same "Is watchmen/Are comics literature?" thread every few days.
> mfw get Jerusalem tommorow
> read it
> enjoy
> /lit/ cries
>>8506038
>compared to Kafka or something
Kafka isn't an outstanding case of someone whose "writing" is amazing. Really, Kafka? Have you read him in German, at least?
>>8506019
His first novel was regularly though not often mentioned (in good terms, since only by its audience, as opposed to people who've been pushed into something non-classical by hype).
>>8506061
>He's being shilled hard.
By a small publisher that already has a ridiculous amount of media publicity?
>>8506063
>every few days
For the last 5 years
>>8506102
The Gene Wolfe shills around here are obviously freebooter volunteers
>>8506099
>Kafka isn't an outstanding case of someone whose "writing" is amazing.
He is amazing, but there's no point in comparing him to Joyce or something. In subject maybe, but in prose quality it's stupid, like saying "these dwarves are shorter than those giants".
>>8506109
Wow I'm tired. Kafka is amazing, but why compare Moore to someone better really?
>>8506102
anon means the last 3-4 days
people on this board somehow get used to every shitposting movement no matter how long it endures but will whine out loud about perfectly explainable and temporary on-topic spikes
>>8506109
>>8506117
That's still senseless. Kafka barely deals in "prose", the great majority of his writing is one step above functional - one crucial step, yes, but no matter how intentional those ungrammatical sentences and lacks of punctuation, how subtle this word order, how meaningful these repetitions are according to critics looking to praise him where others haven't yet, his prose is all about approaching, describing, with brush strokes or frame strokes, an idea or feeling. And as irrelevant as a comparison between writers with such different styles is, there is a good faith argument to be made that as to concern over musicality and aesthetics, Moore is a much better prose writer than Kafka, which I suspect you have already scoffed at for the exact same reason I assume you've brought up such a poor example in the first place, and only for that reason: Kafka's status.
tl;dr Kafka is great, but please grow some literary balls.
>>8504164
I can't wait to buy this, put it on my shelf, and read the posts.
>>8506223
it looks nice on my shelf beside my other boxed book miss macintosh my darling
>book is a massive tome printed on heavy paper and bound with high quality materials.
>comes in a sleeve with cool artwork printed on it
>meme magick
Well, it must be a masterpiece then.
>>8504164
Why is an actual ceremonial magician's writing less mystical and magical than someone like Don Delillo's? Is he just full of shit?
>>8506252
What book are you reading? There's some missteps, but I'm still getting a vibe of eeriness and potentially mystic shit lurking around the edges of things.
has anyone noticed OP is just changing around a Peter Griffin quote.
>>8506250
Can't tell if sarcasm or serious. It doesn't matter though, it's all the same, and I want that book. Welcome to the final frontier.
>>8506279
Mystic shit is boring there.
>>8506287
It's not a Peter Griffin quote.
>>8506252
>I haven't read/listened to Unearthing
I'm not up to date, what is it about exactly?
>>8504164
>Over a thousand pages
In some cases, less is Moore
>>8507205
banger
>>8505839
I sure am
>>8506195
>his prose is all about approaching, describing, with brush strokes or frame strokes, an idea or feeling
And Derrida uses language to showcase his ideas. Isn't that interesting.
Can you please step up a little bit and not say something as vacuous as they use language for their ideas? It really lowers the quality of the board.
>>8507182
>Weird events that went on in Northampton
>Semi-autobiographical stuff inspired by Moore's life
>Metaphysical stuff about the nature of time/existence
>Forgotten or buried history, especially of working-class people
>Ceremonial magic
>>8507205
yu think you can get away with something that doesn't actually make sense
>>8507346
Refrain from inserting your pet peeve where you lack the most basic understanding of context. Yes, this doubles as sex advice
>>8507459
You're not making sense again bro.
>>8507473
... FYI, uselessly namedropping Derrida does the opposite of what you think it does (especially) if you have to make such a poor show of comprehension afterwards.
>>8507487
It's one of those rare /lit/ memes. Brownbear, a famous tripfag and pseudointellectual once said something as equally vacuous on the subject of Derrida as yourself on the subject of Kafka.
I don't know why your posturing about it meaning something different to nothing tho.
>>8506107
>mfw never gonna stop wolfeposting
>>8505839
Yes. Most are anyway.
When you read those "post your stories" threads you get to see what fucking losers this faggots are
>>8505839
>Is everyone on /lit/ a jealous piece of shit, wannabe writer?
No.
>Is everyone on /lit/ a jealous piece of shit wannabe?
Yes.
>>8507498
Context: prose and ideas, technical ability and message. Do the math or don't, I'm not going to try and convince you that you should put more effort into interpreting 4chan posts than yours are worth.
>>8506438
yes it is lmao. you guys are all idiots.
>>8507575
It's not.
Why is it called Jerusalem? Shouldn't it be called Northampton?
>>8507587
Blake reference, Moore's a massive fan
>>8507579
https://youtu.be/OpbdGnJbneE. lol
>>8507615
Exactly. Not a peter griffin quote
>>8506287
holy freakin' crap, he's right lois
>>8507629
I find your response shallow and pedantic
>>8506063
Watchmen is, comics aren't
>almost not a single post in over 60 actually discussing the book
have any of you faggots even started reading it? Not sure if I should bother with a physical copy or just download a 100mb epub file
based
>>8507528
Word salad again dufus.
>>8507799
Sweetie, please learn what words mean before attempting to use them
>>8507587
Let's see. Northampton means something like "North home town" as Southampton means "South home town" and Wolverhampton means "wolf home town" (wolves held citizenship under Saxon law).
North is etymologically related to "left" (because you look left from the rising sun) but also "beneath" and "hell".
Home is etymologically to dwell or inhabit.
Town is etymologically related to down and coming full circle. So we have "beneath dwelling down" or "Hell inhabitant coming full circle" or variations thereof.
Jerusalem means foundation of peace. How these are all related is self evident, very clever title.
>>8504164
Serious question here, OP. Why didnt you read the many excerpts and previews that were online? this shit costs 35 dollaridoos and you spent it blindly on a massice 1200 page doorstopper without doing any research into wether you'd like it or not? You're either shitposting and didnt actually read the damn book, have the attention span of a brain damaged 8 year old, or are stupid enough to buy shit without knowing what it is you're buying. I've read some of it and it is verbose, but I'm enjoying it and I'm curious to see where it goes.
>>8507761
made me smile desu
>>8507889
Except Northampton drove all of God's chosen people out of Gold street back in the 18th C I think. Can't build Jerusalem without any Jews ;^)
>>8507960
Yes, well, "like Jerusalem, but better" isn't a very snappy title
>>8507900
His use of pedantic is absolute murder
>>8507992
>"like Jerusalem, but better"
>Northampton
Lolololololol
Kek why is this in all the scifi sections of the bookstores I have been in. You should have known from there
>>8508024
Northampton is well known for being science fiction. It's just a town Moore made up, it doesn't really exist.
>>8508020
Stop trying to defend your fuck up
>>8508020
Ura big stoo
>>8508030
Forgot proof
https://youtu.be/4xKjGqefH7U
>>8508033
>At least you don't get suicide bombed in Northampton, on the whole.
Because we have the actual army of Jesus here.
>>8508038
Really, stop. You're embarrassing yourself. Pedantic and narcissistic have nowt to do with one another
This bloke did a diary of his first reading, only took him 16 days with analysis. Git gud anons.
http://www.themillions.com/2016/09/readers-diary-alan-moores-jerusalem.html
>>8508108
>an ambitious attempt by Moore to encapsulate the soul of his hometown of Northampton, England. The city was the same setting
Fucked up there.
It looks like the kind of book I end up buying and reading piecemeal off it sometimes and enjoy what I read, but never get around to finish it, let alone read it from start to finish...
>>8508020
I don't even like moore or this book but it's supposed more of a cheesy/cutesy gesture than a narcissistic one to have a blurb from a schoolkid that says you're the best author ever as the only one on the back.
>>8508045
Does jesus have something against phone booths?
>>8508343
>implying you wouldn't have used that blurb
>>8507603
Fucking hippies.
>>8508364
That wasn't implied actually
>>8508351
I think he has something more against driving a bus with any sense of care. That's at the top of Abington Street and I would guess this happened when the bus came down the Wellingborough Road too fast, failed to turn all the way around the corner going towards the Kettering Road and had to ditch part way through and drive onto Abington Street and smash up some telephone boxes.
>>8504164
>shallow and yet also pedantic
how did people fall for this
>>8505853
I like the writing style in A Scanner Darkly
>>8508624
You're stupid and you suck at writing
if this thread is any indication of the type of reader Alan Moore brings to the table, well, i think i'll pass on attending any Jerusalem signings.
>>8506028
Look up the word in the dictionary, faggot. It's just bad, what else is there to say. I don't give a shit if you buy it, you are doing only for the meme factor anyway, it's not like you care about literature.
>>8506195
Now this is shitposting. Stop being a pleb.
>>8507528
Is english your first language? You seem to be having a stroke.
>>8508627
>le everything is a meme xD this is le 4chan after all we're anonymoose
Stop browing this site for a few days, the memes are rotting your brain.
>>8509109
>>8509116
>>8509122
HE HAS RETURNED!
>>8509233
>tfw there are people here RIGHT NOW who haven't figured out what the Third Borough is yet