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This has got to be one step above adult coloring books, right?

Recommend something if you see your country.
>inb4 it all sucks
You know that's not true

>>8464737
>Brazil
Ther eis a lot to recommend, but there is at least 2 authors I think everybody should know of:

1. Guimarães Rosa
Most of the time people say he is the brazilian Joyce, which doesn't really reflect his style, his linguist techiniques can be really "joycean" but his original approach to coloquial terms and slangs are unique, so is his neologism techniques. Because of that he is an extremely difficult author to translate and I don't know how good the translation of his masterpiece Grande Sertão: Veredas (in english"The Devil to Pay in the Backlands") is, but I think everyone should give it a chance. This books is one of the most fantastic experiences I've had with literature, an profound psychological and ontological analysis on "nordestino" people that have a lot of Faust in it, also a lot of raw, natural, human violence, in certain ways its a mix of Faust and Blood Meridian with a joycean approach to writting, a work of a genius.

2. Machado de Assis
the most famous author from Brazil, and his fames doesn't even do justice to his genius. In many ways he can be considered our Tchekov/Babel with his amazing, national human short stories and also our Sterne with his great novel Posthumous Memoirs of Brás Cubas that have a lot of influence from Tristam Shandy and Voltaire's Candido. Everybody should at least read his short stories that are atmospheric, ironic and murky. Also a man of extremely natural talent since he was an autodidact, mulato and from poor origins.

Keep in mind that I'm making most of those comparisons just to illustrate what to expect from their work, they are way above being a "poor man's X", they are their own thing, have their own voice and style.

>>8464737
Friendly reminder that if you can't speak the country's national language and only read a translation, you can't fill it in

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>>8464926
let's post people that could only mark 3 or 4 countries
I start

>>8464976
That's obviously false though

>>8464976
>makes an occidental canon
>can't mark italy, portugal, spain, russia, south american countries, slav countries, central america countries
>says he "can read in french and german but can't talk or write in it", so his marking of germany and french are really, really sketchy

welp...

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>>8464926
>hfw he loved Borges but can't mark Argentina

>>8465009
but he's written works on authors from the countries he allegedly can't mark

is your name David?

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>>8464926
>hfw he loved Schopenhauer but can't mark Germany

>>8464926
>>8464976
LOL XDDDDDD LE >TRANSLATION MAYMAY XDDD FUNEEE LOLOLOLOLOL EPIC XDDD

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>>8464926
>hfw he loved Tolstoy but can't mark Russia

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>>8464926
>hfw he loved Schiller and Goethe but can't mark Germany

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Egypt, Canada, China and South Africa will be filled soon, but man, still missing a lot I guess

>>8464892
Ya I already have Machado de Assis on backlog, but GuiRosa sounds like something that would lose its salt out of the original language.

>>8465141
What South African lit are you reading? I heartily recommend Herman Charles Bosman

>>8465181
The basics Cortazar, Borges, Bolaño, Marquez, Assis, Rosa, Drummond, João Cabral de Melo Neto, etc

Also thanks for you recommendation! Never heard of him, going to look about his works.

>>8465178
Yes, and no. The same could be said about the epics, Virgil, Homer, Dante, Ovid ( even tho Dante and Ovid aren't actually "epics") and guys like Joyce and Musil. Reading in the original is aways the best thing to do, but I am a firm believer that, if you aren't fluent of confortable with the language you should read a translation, and if you have interest in becoming fluent or getting deeper into the author read the original after. The only exception is if you read for the unviersity or want to become a scholar, so the original should aways the primal approach.

I know most people here doesn't agree with me on that, but lets take Ulysses for example, native speakers, without any guidance or support material, can get what? Maybe 25% of the book in their first, blind experience with it, sometimes not even this. So, if you read a translation and get 30%, who understood more about the work in the larger sense? Can you say that the guy who read the translation can't talk about Joyce? IMHO I think both, the native speaker and the guy that read the translation can talk about Joyce and BOTH are somewhat oblivious about the full scope of the work, but native speakers usually aren't humble enough to admit that may haven't really understood most of the work, yet they will aways say that you can only experience Joyce in the original language and put Ulysses and Joyce as their favorite.

I'm using Ulysses as an example because, besides FW, its probably one of the hardest books to translate, yet you have translated versions in Chinese, German, French, Portuguese, Spanish, etc. It shows that there is a big part of the work that goes beyond the language barrier, even in this kind of book.

With Rosa is almost the same thing, language (style and poetry) is a big part of the experience, but it isn't the whole thing, the themes, atmosphere, characterization, story, motifs, metaphors and all the human feelings presented can be considered universal, and lets be honest, who here only reads because of the "beauty of the writting"? I say, give it a try and see what kind of experience you can get from that.

>>8465017
If you read lolita would you mark america or russia. He never got anything out before coming to the states so while it was published in america, it was written by a russian.

>>8465293
usa

>>8465278
I believe that when a book is translated it loses its character. Every individual has a unique writing style, and when you translate you lose that. I believe there are parts of joyce that are easily translatable, but as a whole, a book like portrait of the artist as a young man is a quasi-autobiography, joyce writing about his childhood in the third/first person. Any translation loses that essential autobiographical sense seen later in the book when the "character" of Steven Daedalus fuses with Joyce himself. When translated the book is just about a guy named steven daedalus growing up in dublin, whose life somewhat mirrors that of Joyce. While a German and an American who speaks German could both discuss the book, the characters, the metaphors, the symbolism, the German did not have the same connection to the author the English speaker did.

In another sense, language is very cultural. There are certain intrinsic things understood by an english speaker about Joyce's childhood that might seem foreign to someone from say Japan. American culture is heavily influenced by Irish culture, so for an american alot of the experiences steven daedalus goes through are familiar enough that his childhood is relatable. Someone who grew up in Japan might not understand why Steven felt so nervous when going up to the Dean's office, or how he felt such contempt for the teacher that prompted him to. These cultural affections are lost on the Japanese speaker.

>>8465324
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that a translated book can be 100% equal as the original, it will never be the case, but I don't think it loses character, at least not all of it.
The author is giving the style, the story, characters, all in a plate to the translator, and a good translator can emulate much of the style in the majority of the cases, it will aways be an adaption, but the substance is there. I could give examples but since you probably don't know portuguese it won't matter at all.

>Any translation loses that essential autobiographical sense... the characters, the metaphors, the symbolism ... did not have the same connection to the author
And why you say that? To make such assumption you need to have read both versions. I've read Portrait only in my language and I can identify with everything people discuss about the book, most of the feelings he talk about are complety understood and experienced by most of the occidental world, but then we fall in another territory, not of language, but of cultural differences.

>There are certain intrinsic things understood by an english speaker about Joyce's childhood that might seem foreign to someone from say Japan.
This is most by cultural aspect of the work, and not because of the language, but again you need to be aware of how the culture in Japan works, saying that "These cultural affections are lost on the Japanese speaker" is kind of "dangerous ground" don't you think? This feeling you have quoted from the book, mostly derived from hierarchy are truly lost in a country like Japan where hierarchy is much more respected than our modern occidetal countries? I couldn't say, and I bet you can't either, because we aren't japanese, so how can you affirm that a Japanese person will never be able to enjoy "The Portrait..." if you can't simulate his point of view?

But let me give you some examples of what I'm trying to say...

Mishima wrote in japanese about japanese things, yet we can relate, when we read The Temple of the Golden Pavilion we don't need to be a troubled monk to relate with what is happening, and the weight of what is happening, hell is even one of the most comment authors here. We also don't need to have lived in the french aristocracy world to enjoy Proust, be an exiled roman to enjoy Ovid, or have lived in early XX century Dublin to read Ulysses.

What I'm trying to say basically is, translation are portrayed in this board in a very poisonous manner, in a way that may discourage new readers and pull them away from amazing works of literature. I say read what you can how you can, and if you got anything from it how can others say it was a waste?

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>>8464737

better than I thought.

>>8465433
What have you read from Lithuania?

>>8465320
only patrician ITT

>>8465439

My aunt stocked up on some books from there since she's half Lithuanian, and I read a few. All in English. I don't even remember what they were called, they were all about how evil WWII and the USSR were.

>>8465293
in the words of john updike (i think) nabokov is the best writer of english prose currently holding american citizenship. thats good enough for me.

though presumably most people have read an american and a russian with less controvesial citizenship.

>>8465278
I don't see it as a matter of "getting" more or less of a book, and in all honesty, while I recognise that there is more to Ulysses than prose and that it works only as a whole, I wouldn't have had any interest in it if it weren't for the language. Having looked at translations of Ulysses, in particular, I don't expect the elements which draw me towards books like Gran Sertao Veredas to carry over in translation.
(I wouldn't be giving this any thought if it concerned a language in which I didn't imagine ever getting fluent, though)

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I put Life of Pi as Canadian even though it's more about India than Canada.

Otherwise looking for recs for East Europe and Africa.

>>8465953
Africa: Coetzee, Camus, Mia Couto, Naguib Mahfouz and Pepetela

Mexico: Pedro Páramo by Juan Rulfo, Gringo Viejo by Carlos Fuentes

>>8466028
>Coetzee and Mahfouz
Mahnigga

I want to people to read some Croatian literature.
p-please

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still waiting on that literature from Lesotho and Swaziland.

>>8465293
Russia for the earlier books he wrote in Russian, but Lolita, Pale Fire, etc., are very american

>>8466028
Camus is about as African as Norman lords were English

>>8466146
Well?

>>8466028
thanks anon

>>8466305
>Hesse

ay

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>>8464737

>>8466305
>no france or spain or mexico

>>8465278
>what south african lit
>The basics Cortazar, Borges, Bolaño, Marquez, Assis, Rosa, Drummond, João Cabral de Melo Neto, etc

heh

>>8466385
I'll get round to it, have a few classics on my shelf I'd like to start.

>>8466410
I havent even read anything from china or india so I can't say anything really

just pullin your leg

>>8466387
ops, read "south american" lit

>>8466305
Slovenc?

>>8466315
I recommend Cyclops, a novel by Ranko Marinković... if you were asking for that. It's one of the best pieces from Croatian literature

>>8465324
I would say that a very good translation is going to be its own separate work of art which should be judged not on its relation to the original but on its own merits. Inevitable it must be different from the original so to judge it as to how similar it is it will always be weaker. Borges has said that some of his works he prefers in translation, and he (among others) have said that Dostoevsky's prose is so weak that almost nothing is lost in a competent translation. DF Wallace said that he refused to read Infinite Jest in French because he couldn't stand the thought of it being better the English version.

So in a sense I agree with you when you said that a translation loses its character, but by skillful hands gains a new life separate from, and potentially the equal or better of the original.

>>8467147
Also Bloom said that Poe is so weak that any translation would improve his work, even that he needed an english "translation".

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Still have a long way to go

>>8464737
You've really never read anything by an American author?

>>8464737
>Leave blank places
>blank

>>8467659
>blank =/= filled
>in this case filled with water
What's the matter?

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AMA

>>8468132
kys

>>8465141
>>8465291
>>8465433
>>8466358
>>8467653
What did you guys read from Algeria ?

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>>8464737

>>8464976
as someone who has list at the back of The Western Canon open on his desk literally all the time I am furious

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>>8468168
Camus probably

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Surprised by how much looks filled in actually. I'm a Canadian who studies American lit so that's at least 90% of what I read.

>>8468168
Either "Camus counts!" or they read that algerian Stranger fanfiction back when it was being memed

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( ._.)

>>8468132
are you from Baltic countries?

>>8468132
what have u read from Slovakia?

>>8468238
No
>>8468274
Zizek

>>8468168
I'm >>8467653, i've read The Lovers of Algeria, The Meursault Investigation and Nedjma.
Do you have any rec?

>>8468339
Y'all should have taken example on >>8465953 and used different colors for "only read books from the Antiquity", "only read Camus" and "only read Zizek"

>>8468339
He is from Slovenia.

>>8468194
Why wouldn't he count? He was born there, spent a huge part of his life there and the country was very dear to his heart.

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What are peoples criteria for filling this out? If someone came from a country that no longer exists or exists in a form so radically changed from the they lived I don't include it. Otherwise you could read something by an English Victorian, something from the Roman empire at it's geographical height, something from Spain at its greatest extent etc and have with only a couple of books be able to fill out most of the planet.

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ROMA
OLIM
MILO
AMOR

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>>8464737

>>8468132
Mali lit please.

>>8467653

What did you read from Uruguay?

>>8469996
>inb4 Lautreamont

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>>8468132
>>8465953
>>8468193
Argentina: Arlt (Los Siete Locos y Los Lanzallamas), Bioy Casares (La invención de Morel), Lugones (Las Fuerzas Extrañas), Mar, Sábato (El túnel), Walsh.
Avoid: Cortázar

>>8469996
Not him but Benedetti is great.

>>8470173
>Avoid: Cortázar
Is he a case of locally unappreciated writer that got popular abroad?
Found his stories underwhelming so far.

>>8469996
>Benedetti
La tregua, Pedro y el capitan, antologías poéticas
>Onetti (fucking amazing)
Cuentos completos, El astillero, Juntacadáveres, El pozo, Vida corta
>Horacio "balas flojas" Quiroja
El hombre muerto, Cuentos de amor, locura y muerte, La gallina degollada, El crimen del otro y cuentos de la selva
>Roberto Echavarren
Ave Roc, Oír no es ver, Poemas Largos
>Eduardo Galeano
Las venas abiertas de América Latina
>Henry Trujillo
Ojos de Caballo
>Juana de Ibarbourou
Las lenguas de diamante
>José Enrique Rodó
Ariel
>Idea Vilariño
Nocturnos

You produce some really amazing literature for a country so small

Less "Argentina is the only country in latin america" than I would've expected ITT

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>>8467653
>>8471123
Where are you from?

It's odd to see someone read literature from Uruguay that doesn't live in South America.

Consider reading Montevideanos. It was Benedetti's attempt to copy Joyce's Dubliners.

And Felisberto Hernandez
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17574861-piano-stories

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I am Argentine

No order in particular of countries or writers

Great Britain: Shakespeare, Graham Greene, Dickens, William Prescott, Agatha Christie, Saint Thomas More, Chesterton, Conrad, Gibbon, Pope, Wilde, Coleridge, Tolkien, Chaucer, John Henry Newman.

Ireland: Only Joyce.

Belgium: Only the historian of the middle ages Henri Pirenne, but Ive read everything he wrote.

Poland: Sienkiewicz, the guy who wrote Quo Vadis.

Russia: Only Tolstoi and Dostotievsky

South Africa: Only Coetzee

France: Leon Bloy, Voltaire, Baudelaire, Flaubert, Henri Troyat, Moliere, Camus, Sartre, Proust, Verlaine, Houellebecq, Jules Verne, Pascal, Montesquieu (because college), Dumas, de Maitre, Rimbaud, Maritain.

Nicaragua: Only Ruben Dario

Mexico: Rulfo, Paz and Fuentes.

Peru: Vargas Llosa and Cesar Vallejo

Chile: Bolaño, Parra and Neruda.

Colombia: Garcia Marquez

Argentina: Too many to mention every single one. I think Borges is the only great Argentine writer, and Bomarzo by Manuel Mujica Lainez the only great Argentine novel. I am not a fan of Cortazar.

Uruguay: Horacio Quiroga

Spain: (many of these you have to read in high school) Fray Luis de Leon, San Juan de la Cruz, Santa Teresa de Avila, Cervantes, Gongora, Quevedo, Calderon de la Barca, Lope de Vega, Baltazar Gracián and Diego de Saavedra Fajardo (these 2 read because of Borges), Unamuno, the Machado brothers, Guillen and Garcia Lorca.

Cuba: Only Alejo Carpentier

Netherlands: Erasmus of Rotterdam and Espinoza.

Czech Republic: Only Kafka and Comenius (because of college), I had to google to be sure Kafka wasnt born in Austria.

Portugal: Saramago and Pessoa.

USA: Walt Whitman, Meville, Faulkner, Hemingway, Poe, Twain.

Denmark: Only Kierkegaard.

Switzerland: Only Hermann Hesse.

Germany: Kant, Hegel (because of college), Goethe, Hoelderlin, Nietzsche.

Austria: Rainer Maria Rilke

Italy: Machiavelli, Dante Alighieri, the person who wrote the travels of Marco Polo, Umberto Eco, Di Lampedusa.

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>>8466926
>Worst Korea propagandists on /lit/

>>8472853
forgot Japan.
Only Yukio Mishima, although Murakami is a best seller here.

Most I've read are from countries that don't exist anymore.

>>8472863
you are truly profound!

>>8472881
>>8472889
So, what do I do with my downloaded, blank map? Do I just kill myself right here and now? Nah, my friend, no I choose to not accept that fate. Killing myself wouldn't work in this current situation. Masturbate like there's no tomorrow or masturbate like there's no yesterday? No, I won't masturbate since masturbating causes acute blindness in the practicer. Hang myself with a belt on my own back porch with a bandana on my head? K, maybe I'll do that last part with the bandana but maybe not. K-kill niggers and rape little children and punch grannies on the street? I'm not racist, so, no, and I love children and grannies and wouldn't ever harm them. The old Ancient Greece doesn't fucking exist anymore. Tell me what the hell I'm freaking supposed to fricking do do. Huh, where do I plot the freaking map? Huh, what do I gotta do to get an answer? Huh, why the h**k aren't you answering me?!

>>8472863
>Greece, Rome, France, Germany
Me too...

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>there are kids in this thread that never read Borges

wow

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I'm pretty happy with this.

>>8474089
By 'this' what you mean is having chosen the most horrendous color available, don't you

>>8474335
Gold?

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pleasantly surprised

>>8474362
Looks more like birdshit to me

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I'm planning on increasing the amount of colour once I finish reading the Greeks.

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kinda disappointed desu

>>8474542
>dat Ecuador

>>8474664
I actually live in Ecuador atm and have just read like 2 books from Pablo Palacio (he's quite alright). Quite disappointing to think that I have read so little in Spanish/Southamerican.

I'll get to it once I finish the Greeks.

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I forgot to colour in Alaska.

Now, my real problem is that I don't do enough background research on the authors I read, so there could be some from places that I've completely missed.

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I'll take recommendations for blank countries.

>>8474489
Get your eyes checked.

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Will be filling in Russia and Iceland v soon

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>>8465042
>He admired, read deeply, and corresponded with Tolstoy, but cant mark Russia

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>>8468132
I just have to ask. What did you read from Mongolia?

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>>8472109
México, I've always hold the belief that LatAm has some absolutely beautiful and fantastic literature and Uruguay is one of the best.

I've heard good things about Montevideanos, I'll check it out and Piano Stories will have a privileged spot on my backlog, it looks great an also:
> “a writer like no other,” as Italo Calvino declares in his introduction

I love Calvino so much, this sold me immediately, thanks for the recs uruguAnon

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>>8464737
>tfw nobody in this thread has read the beautiful literature of the Sea of Azov.
At least
>>8469263
has read some Black Sea Lit.
>>8474762
hasn't even read any Caspain stuff. For shame.

>>8474840
I want to know this too

>>8472853
Is Hesse really considered Swiss? I mean, he spent a few years of childhood there and moved there later in life (because of fallout regarding his political views on Germany in WWI, if I'm not mistaken) and was grabted Swiss citizenship, but he was nearing 50 when all that happened. His formative years and early writing career were spent in Germany, his major influences were German, he wrote in German, and his style is more like other German writers, no?

I dunno, I always assumed he was considered a German writer, not Swiss.

>>8475558

"In 1923, I resigned German and acquired Swiss citizenship. After the dissolution of my first marriage I lived alone for many years, then I married again. Faithful friends have put a house in Montagnola at my disposal...."

https://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/literature/laureates/1946/hesse-bio.html

Ive also read John Calvin, the reformer, but wasnt sure if I should consider him French or Swiss, and ended up not mentioning him since it was just theology.

A mistake I made is that Maria Rilke was born in Czech republic. Ive never read anyone born in Austria.


I think this should be only for modern nations, you cant consider Saint Augustine Tunisian literature, and you cant consider Seneca Spanish literature.

>>8476045
Nor can Rilke or Kafka be considered Czech desu

>>8477368
yes

Perhaps a map that had the Austro Hungarian Empire would have been better, but then it wouldnt have Poland.

>>8471123
Benedetti is fucking John Green-tier.
I agree with you on Donoso, tho. He was top notch.

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>>8471123

Onetti is great. I will never understand how he never got the Nobel.

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>These people haven't read 100 Years of Solitude
/lit/erally no excuse

>>8478042
A shitty book for a shitty part of the continent, Uruguay and Argentina have the only masterpieces on the continent

>>8478050

100 years of solitude has finally become underrated.

>>8478114
>Implying it's got anything to do with the literary merit
Any book that centers on the culture, history, etc of the rest of this continent is inherently bad, civilización stops outside the south cone.

>>8478123

either genuine imbecility or false flagging.

>>8478132
There is no value on a book about Brown inbred latinos eating dirt, fucking each other on a banana field and finding out ice is a thing. Requiring emotional rather than intelectual contemplation just males It more obviously inferior.

And you wonder why the south cone countries feel so superior, i'd add Chile but they are pretty stupid, just good with bussiness

>>8478169
>eating dirt, fucking each other
What are the Greeks all about then?

>>8467653
What did you read from Moldova?

>>8474840
>>8475487
Tobchiyan / the Yuan History?

>>8478050
here is your (you), enjoy

>>8480758
You took too long, my IP reset and now i have no (you). Shamefull anon.

As a finn who reads a lot i am really disappointed

>>8480916
Oh how I hate when that happens. I could just have my internet browser not auto-delete cookies, but no, I end up keeping it up and opened, if only with a blank tab, just so as not to get alienated from (You)s which, more often than not, fail to come in the first place.

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red = read in native language

>>8481874
Impressive. Read The Axe.

>>8464976
There are more than 4 English speaking countries. Or maybe that was the joke.

>>8465042
He read German though.

>>8468132
How stupid do you think we are?

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>>8464737

>>8474787
What have you read from Greenland?

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I couldn't arsed to track down where the different books of the bible are believed to have been written so I just marked Israel.

>>8482200
Oh wait I've read a book from Turkey too.

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I need to get my shit together.

>>8470173
why did you respond to three random people including me

>>8482975
I think he told you to read stuff from argentina
He has a point.

What is everyone reading from Greece? I thought it was pretty disingenuous to allow the classical Greeks to count so is there some famous writer of the last century or so?

>>8474737
i suppose you could start in ecuadorian literature with Huasipungo by Jorge Icaza. It's probably the most famous one. Cruces Sobre El Agua de José de la cuadra is also really good. Though, i'm ecuadorian but i wont say our literature is the best of Latin America.
>>8474888
What have you read from Ecuador?

>>8483212
They have a Nobel prize winner but I'm pretty sure most people meant ancient Greeks.

>>8483264
I think that's bullshit though. If you include the ancient Greeks why not the Romans and fill in all the countries that fill in their territory? Or the British at the height of their size? My rule for filling my one out was only fill it in if they wrote in a country that still exists today and only filling it out for its modern boarders. If we can cheat by counting the ancient greeks I could have almost the whole planet.

>>8483281
Or you just apply modern borders to the best of your ability.

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>>8483289
This is what happens when you apply modern boarders to reading just Kipling and why I think it's bullshit.

>>8483334
That's not what I meant retard. Mark the place they lived within today's borders.

>>8483343
But why? Maybe in the case of Kipling you can draw a distinction between Britain and the rest of the empire but what about say Plato? They have no conception of a unified Greece. It just seems so arbitrary to fill in the modern boarders of Greece just for that. Say you read an Indian Buddhist sutra. That state might have only been the size of Crete but you are going to fill in all of India just because of that? What about if you read Marcus Aurelius? To just fill in Italy makes no sense since much of the rest of the Empire remained Roman for over a thousand years and was integral to the Empire.

>>8483353
>being this fucking spergy about it

Oh and Greenland wasn't British In Kipling's days or any other.

>>8483358
>Calling me a sperg
>Spergs out over Greenland
Anon, if you think that actually thinking about things makes you a sperg a hope you enjoy cleaning toilets for a living.

>>8483247
Unless you're trolling I think you might seriously be autistic.

>>8483388
???

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hmm. turns out i dont read that much

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Well, it looks kind of ok.

>>8468132
did you read Ruhname? :^)

>>8483353
Jesus christ fuck off

>>8482975
See this > >8482985