How accurate is this image?

>>8419869
but I like Plath
she has a very refined raft

>>8419869
As accurate as the typical infographic

100% accurate[\spoiler]

If you want modern poetry that's good, I recommend David Tibet's shit. That man has some real talent.

Yeah we cant just lump things into these oh so convenient categories

Many of the greatest poets in history were socialists.

This image is literally just comparing historical poets that happened to be right wing with modern hippie bullshit. Sure, modern hippie bullshit is pretty much exclusively left wing, but historical/traditional poetry was done by both right wing conservatives and leftists.

>>8419888
Is C93 /lit/?

>>8419869
how about any right wing poets still alive? Since the maker of the infographic conveniently decided to lump modern "left" trash with those who've been dead for years.

>>8419893
I'd say that I am the Last of All the Field that Fell is very /lit/, but I don't know what other people here think. He had a big dip in quality between Bright Yellow Moon and Honeysuckle Æons, though.

>>8419869
>Sylvia Plath
>slam poet
got some hook poking out of the bait there, boyo

slam poetry is rap for white people

>>8419915

rap is rap for white people

>>8419869
I'm trying to control my sexism, but I can't help but see this as the insidious influence of women dominating the field in the late 20th century with their "muh feels" colective artistic voice

>>8419869
>ignores Auden
>Acts like Eliot's not the most overrated poet in history

>>8419915
slam poetry is rap for black people

>>8419869
nice graphic op, well done senpai

will keep it handy

>>8419941
Eliot is underrated if anything

>>8419890
Of course we can, it's 4chan
don't be a killjoy :)

It isn't that accurate or at least not objective but the link between poetry and fascist shit is pretty interesting. But it doesn't make right wing good, it makes poetry suspicious.

It proves that Plato was right when he said (in Republic) that poets should be expelled and only let back in the republic after they've convincingly defended themselves.

>>8420174
Plato was a fascist

>>8420174
...Plato was a proto-fascist.

>>8420182
Authoritarian or something, maybe, but (proto-)fascist? Nah.He was much closer to communist than fascist.

He was for a form of equality, he wasn't nationalist (as if people back then could, in the modern sense, be), etc. He was for a new utopia, not for any old order.

Aristotle would be worse; he considered slaves okay, he considered women inferior (both of which Plato was against, quite remarkably), he considered peace and unity and order as more important than forming some sort of new utopia.

>>8420136
>t.s. eliot is underrated
by fucking who? by high schoolers forced to read prufrock in your junior english class, maybe, but don't be ridiculous

>>8420229
Eliot is better than Shakespeare

>>8420231
cool opinion dude
has nothing to do with eliot being overrated or underrated

>>8420212
Have you read Plato?

>Communist
He believed in class divisions: a worker class, a merchant class, a ruling class, etc.
He believed that some men and born better than others.
He believed in currency.
How is that communist?
>Wasn't nationalist
...he was? What do you call a man who believes in a closed society with strong traditions and strict hierarchy?
>For a new utopia, not an old order
How are those mutually exclusive? How does fascism have anything to do with any "old order"? Fascism calls for a new utopia as well...
>Didn't believe women were inferior
...he did? Have you read the republic? He said that women should be given the same opportunities as men, but also that they are inherently weaker/inferior.

Please read The Republic before talking about it.

>>8420239
He's not properly rated as being better than Shakespeare and one of the top five writers in the history of the English language. That makes him underrated

>>8420242
>Some men are* born
>The Republic*
>Traditions and a* strict hierarchy
Sorry, I'm on mobile.

>>8419869
MUH VOLKISCHE CULTURE

WE WUZ VIKANGZ N SHIET

MY COUNTRY IS GOOD

t. Right-wing "Poet"

>>8420254
t. liberal faggot

>gucci mane
>leftist

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>>8420263

>>8420249
He's properly rated as one of the greatest Modernist poets. I can see an argument for him being the greatest. That's it. It's nice to see your being passionate about him though.

>>8420265
bases comrade guwo

>>8420251
>>Some men are* born
Made to wave the flag?

>>8420289
I'm just a pedant with OCD.

>>8420242
>...he did? Have you read the republic? He said that women should be given the same opportunities as men, but also that they are inherently weaker/inferior.
As far as politics go, doesn't matter. Women probably were inferior, considering their situation. I don't remember what he exactly said about them: nonetheless, same opportunities is enough compared to Aristotle, who didn't want to give them.

>He believed in class divisions: a worker class, a merchant class, a ruling class, etc.
Which was based purely on their ability and "reason", not wealth or heritage or anything: thus, a form of equality, no natural order. And the classes were workers/merchants/etc, warriors and the philosophers-rulers; there was no separate "capitalist" or merchant class, the "lowest" includes that one. Only warriors and philosophers (= rulers) were separated from the mass. Its a class society still, but a radically different one, far more equal than the one Plato lived in.

>He believed in currency.
Yeah, he didn't take that part far enough. He wanted socialized stuff for the rulers but not the ones to be ruled.

>How does fascism have anything to do with any "old order"? Fascism calls for a new utopia as well...
Fascism is obsessed with societal decay/regression and so on. They're practically extremist conservatives, though obviously not conservatives. Look at how they justify themselves.

>...he was? What do you call a man who believes in a closed society with strong traditions and strict hierarchy?
There are some problems there, yeah, like the "noble lie" thing. But I try to look at the general picture, as we should do when considering whether someone is proto-something or not. In spirit, Plato is not that fascist; thus, he is not proto-fascist. Aristotle, however, well, in reality he'd just be a conservative. But in spirit, he is closer to fascism by accepting a "natural order" of slaves, women being oppressed, etc.

Back to my original poetry point: Plato opposed poetry for the reason that it might cause unjustified, feeling-based judgement in the young; isn't this pretty anti-fascist? A fascist would love poetry that causes a right kind of national feeling.

>>8420321
go read a book on fascism seriously instead of like guessing at what it is

you know just enough to have opinions and not enough for them to be any good

>Allen "Ginsburg"
>Popular music lyricist

>>8420321
Hey, I'm the guy you replied to.

>>8420391 is right. You seem to understand fascism at a superficial, pop culture level.

As far as your point goes, Plato actually believed that only certain kinds of music should be allowed in his society: the kinds of music that inspire order and militarism (if I recall correctly). Sounds pretty fascist to me, friend.

None of this is a slight against Plato, since I myself am somewhat of a traditionalist. I just really hate it when people try to force philosophers to correspond to their personal worldview. If you want Plato, you'll get Plato. In all his Athens-hating Sparta-loving insanity.

cherry picked. try reading ezra pound. and it should be obvious that there are many horrible right-wing "poets" as well

>>8419869
>the side I disagree with is in comic sans
this is nice chart

>>8420522
Qing Woo? More like KING JEW.

>>8419869
all poetry is garbage done by no talent hacks learn a real art.

>>8420509
(different anon here)
Plato was of course, like most of the ancient greeks, an authoritarian by modern standards but calling him a fascist completely misses the point of fascism, which is it being a form auf authoritarianism with a specific character formed by the era of modernity. Someone who pre-dates the enlightment by like 1800 years can't be fascist by definition.

Calling him a communist is just as silly obviously, since that is a modern ideology as well.

>>8419892
What do you have against Ezra Pound?

"A Girl" is a nice poem. And Hemingway thought highly of him.

>>8420529
Papyrus too though

>>8419869
>brown people

disregarded immeadiately

>>8422313
My attitude exactly, fellow racist

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>>8419869
>/pol/ shilling
>a perverse fixation on hip hop
>*brown* people
So it's more important what people are rather what they do?

Also, Plath is the only interesting person. Oscar Brand is where it's at!

>>8419893
More /lit/ than /pol/.

>>8420242
>hating on Platon
Sokrates is asking people if they want this and that in their ideal state. Yes, they answer. So he finish them off by saying something like "Ok, go ahead and just fix it".

Do one for Catholic and non-Catholic writers.

>never heard of Percy Shelley

>>8419915
slam poetry is for people who cant make poetry or rap

>>8419869
>vers libre is viewed with a wary eye
>include Pound and Eliot

This is an obvious bait image - but almost every poet who gets put into "right-wing poetry" here has an incredible nuanced position on things which, shockingly, don't fit well into right/left wing. They would be disgusted by the people who try to appropriate them on this website.

Not gonna waste my time on people who clearly know nothing about poetry and poets but yeah.

>>8421355
Fascists took some influence from Plato.

Pretty accurate

>>8419869
Left-wing poets off the top of my head:
Milton, Byron, Shelley (the most consciously radical author in the English language), Whitman

Nice try

>>8422807
Do you not know what "a wary eye" means or something?

>>8419869
>Yeats
>right-wing
10/10

>>8422827
Yeah I do.

I do not understand why'd include it alongside poets who mainly wrote in free verse, unless of course you have it there for mongoloids who know nothing about poetry and want confirmation bias.

>>8422851
No, you don't, because for some unknown reason you seem to think it means a uniform disapproval of all free verse. It obviously means a healthy suspicion of free verse that can be alleviated by a demonstration of ability

Christopher Ricks, one of the leading critics on all things Eliot related, regards Dylan as a master poet. Just feel like that's worth saying in this thread.

>>8419869
>that font change
>obviously racist and sexist
>cherry picking the fuck out of both sides
>right-wing on left side
>left-wing on right side
gr8 b8 m8
>>>/pol/

>>8422947
>>right-wing on left side
>>left-wing on right side
This was by far the most triggering aspect.

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>obviously racist and sexist

>>8422925
Bob, or, Thomas?

>>8422910
Pound fucking invented free verse you tard

>>8422995
Bob.

>>8423006
Well, that's an opinion.

>>8423003
Don't remember saying he didn't, you tard

>>8421355
Communism is "a pure Idea of equality, the communist hypothesis has no doubt existed since the beginnings of the state. As soon as mass action opposes state coercion in the name of egalitarian justice, rudiments or fragments of the hypothesis start to appear" (Alain Badiou)

I suppose everyone was just looking at it from a different angle, eh.

>>8419869
s/poetry/art/g

Do the romantics count as left-wing?

(Barring late-WW maybe).

https://youtu.be/nrdl4ijru8o
Whatever mothbreather created that graphic has done no research whatsoever into leftist poetry. Link related. I can post more, there's no shortage

>>8419909
Sylvia Plath is obviously the whiner

>>8424664
Pete Seeger etc.

>hip-hop
>left wing
ayyy lmao

>>8424915
>African Americans (Toni Morrison), slam poets (Kendrick Lamar, Sylvia Plath) and popular music lyricists (Bob Dylan, Paul Simon, Allen Ginsburg)

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>>8424664

it couldn't be more obvious that it is a bait.

what are you even doing.

>>8424664
Philip Levine.

>>8420174

Everyone responding to this is wrong wrong wrong.

*Plato* doesn't speak in the dialogues. Literally never. I'll wait while you fail to disprove this.

His dramatic characters speak. Each of which has a specific character and attendant understanding (be it coherent or wildly inconsistent) of the good. This is what motivates their dialogic (verbal) responses.

In addition to this, many dialogues feature another *character*, Socrates. Now part of Socrates approach to philosophy, attested to repeatedly in the dialogues, is that dialectic is two, i.e. there are two forms of dialectic which Socrates uses as required. One contradicts and refutes and the other confirms and leads.

In The Republic the first form is used most obviously against Thrasymachus. SOCRATES USES THE SECOND FORM WITH ADEIMANTUS AND GLAUCON. Why am I yelling? Because the so-called "Platonic" argument against poetry in the city in speech comes from Adeimantus. Again, go look it up. I'll wait. Socrates cannot respond to this with what he truly believes (and doesn't Socrates demonstrate quite the command of Greek poetry and music?) without angering Adeimantus, which Socrates cannot do. (Why he cannot afford this is an interesting question, answered in the very, very beginning of Book I, the specifics of which I leave to those willing to investigate.)

So it is not *Plato* anywhere. And censorship comes from Adeimantus, who is far more moral than Glaucon. This pattern is repeated in virtually all the dialogues. Learn to read them and stop pretending that you have any goddamn idea what Plato thought.

The problem here is that you've got classic poets from the right and contemporary poets from the left. If you'd used the classic left, you'd have a very different outcome. Now find some contemporary right-wing poetry.

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>>8419869

>>8422801
>this
Fuck that pretentious empty bullshit, shit aint even fire rhymes and it isn't pleasing in a literary sense. I think it's tasteless personally.