Russian literature

Russian literature is the best. Pushkin, Lermontov, Gogol, Turgenev, Dostoesvsky, Tolstoy, Chekhov, Bely, Zamyatin, Solzhenitsin, etc. And if you go down to second tier writers they're still brilliant

The only poetry I like since ww2ish is Russian, seriously just go to one of their contemporary poets sites and click on random people, it's all great, even somehow they do Modernism and stuff properly

Also learn Russian because it's based

Whenever i meet Russians they seem retarded however

>>8390133
you may like this board if you are learning Russian then

2ch dot hk/bo/

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also, any more opinions?

Is this a meme or something? One of the dominant themes of many Russian classics is the saturation of their own culture by the cultures of western society. Of course Russian lit has a place in western culture, anyone who thinks otherwise hasn't actually read it, I've never heard something so uninformed and ridiculous.

>>8390116
>Russian literature is completely irrelevant in the western world nowadays.
Bullshit
>Have you read any contemporary Russian authors?
That, on the other hand... no, and I don't think anyone cares about anything post-revolution (unless you count Svetlana Alexievich as "Russian literature")

>>8390116
In all the time I've spent here I would say that Bros K is in the top 3 most influential(on a personal level) novels among /lit/izens.

>>8390217
>anything post-revolution
Pasternak, Bulgakov, Solzhenitsyn, Sholochov, Ilf & Petrov oh you're baitimg aren't you

Russian literature are part by extension of the western canon thanks to a plethora of good authors.
Nowadays people masturbate and watch tv all day, but addressing readers, not reading Russian is a sin

>>8390174

heart of a dog is great. i'm reading the master and margarita right now. i loved the first half, but so far the second hasn't been as great-- the episodic adventures of the devil in moscow was much more interesting than margarita turning into a witch.

I am Russian and i am very surprised about ur opinion. I thought, u didn't like our literature.

I wanna give advice for western readers. "Crime and Punishment " and "The Brothers Karamazov by Dostoevskiy. It's stories about humans soul. Clear to everyone.

Also Mikhail Bulgakov is very good too. "Master and Margaritta" my favorite book. "Notes of a Young Doctor" Is awesome storybook. Also British made serial based on the book http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2164430/

>>8390338
Why is ur grammar so hard

>>8390345
What do u mean? Is it hard to read? I am sorry. I am learning english.

>>8390432
he probably means hard to learn, i suppose

we know all about those books, some of the highest-esteemed in the western world. the west loves russian literature

>>8390432
I think he was asking why it's so difficult to learn Russian grammar.

Also, why did you think we didn't like your literature? Russian literature is the best.

>>8390116

Russian literature doesn't translate well to English. Literally and culturally.

Russia has a longer background steeped in darkness and hardship. Therefore everything they do is always wrapped in some fucking irony or philosophy about how much the world sucks.

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>>8390338
>"Crime and Punishment " and "The Brothers Karamazov by Dostoevskiy
Look at the first line of covers on this picture.
Do you guys really not know how big these are worldwide?

Shalamov's Kolyma Tales is the greatest collection of short stories written in the 20th century.

One of my favorite authors is Dostoesvsky. Crime and Punishment imo gives an extraordinary view of the true human soul. The Idiot is also a favorite of mine. I haven't read too much of other Russian authors other than him and a little of Pushkin. Recommendations are much appreciated

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>>8390500
This. Bestselling contemporary Russian author who keeps predicting all social and political changes in Russia (some say he is a high ranking gov official)

http://www.foyles.co.uk/witem/fiction-poetry/snuff,victor-pelevin-andrew-bromfield-9781473213036

this book written in 2011 redicted the whole West-Ukraine-Russia conflict

>>8390556

Looks really interesting! Do you know the authors background?

>>8390620
some quotes from the official biography:

Victor Olegovich Pelevin was born in Moscow to Zinaida Semenovna Efremova, an English teacher, and Oleg Anatolyevich Pelevin, a teacher at the military department of Bauman University.

In 1979 Pelevin graduated from an elite high school with a special English program

He then attended the Moscow Power Engineering Institute (MPEI) graduating with a degree in electromechanical engineering in 1985.

Pelevin served in the Russian Air Force.

He has been to Nepal, South Korea, China and Japan. While he does not call himself a Buddhist, he is engaged in Buddhist practices. Pelevin has repeatedly said that despite the fact that his characters use drugs, he is not an addict even though he has experimented with mind-expanding substances in his youth.

Pelevin is not married.

Pelevin is known for not being a part of the literary crowd, rarely appearing in public or giving interviews and preferring to communicate on the internet. When he gives interviews he talks more about the nature of mind rather than his writings. This gave grounds to various rumours. For instance, that the writer does not exist and Pelevin is actually a name of a group of authors or even a computer. Alexander Gordon (journalist) on "Private Screening" questioned the very existence of the writer Pelevin. In May 2011 it was reported that Pelevin will personally attend the award ceremony SuperNatsBest, it would have been the first appearance of the writer in public. He did not come.

Pelevin has permitted all of his texts in Russian predating 2009 (except P5) to be published on the Internet for non-commercial use. Some novels are also available as audio files in Russian.

>>8390116
bulgakov is le dark and depressing russian, but actually has a sense of humor so i was able to stand him

other than him I find russians pretty boring

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reading this right now by some werido fascist dude who's buddies with mark ames

pretty cool look at soviet youth culture, very different from the kind of russian stuff that gets popular in the US

I love Russian lit. I've only read tbk, notes from underground, and Anna Karenina but they have all been incredible. Reading oblomov right now and it's been a pleasure!

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>>8390718
yeah, he is a cult figure in Russian underground culture

became a famous author, got jailed for preparing an armed pro-Russian uprising in Kazakstan, formed a radical party who were Putin's ultimate enemies for many years, supported Donbass rebellion etc

though many people still remember him for his early story on how he sucked a black cock in the USA, lel

picrelated - Limonov now

>>8390654

Any reason why some reviews state that the translated version of the book is awful? Not necessarily the original version of the story but whoever translated it did a bad job apparently.

>>8390654

I know that everytime you translate a book that the true ideas get a little saturated and sometimes sayings in one language might not have the full impact that they have in another but it can't be that bad can it?

>>8390116
Russian literature are among of the greatest achievements in human history when it comes to art

I've read the basic ones, Dosto, Tolstoy, Turgueniev, Gogol, Bulgakov, Tchekov and Goncharov, missing Lermontov, Puchkin and Górki tho, and the poets. But all these ones are fundamental to the western literature world, Tolstoy by himself would jsutify this position, his humanistic way of crafting characters is only rivaled by Shakespeare.

That being said I have 0 knowledge about contemporary russian authors

Also check the Russian composers if you don't know them, Tchaikovsky, Stravinsky, Mussorgsky, Rismky-Korsakov, Rachmaninoff and Shostakovich are all geniuses

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HhQdQ14lF0

>>8390133
But most, if not all, of poetry is untranslatable anon. Why do you say that?

>>8390737
Tell me more about the Russian underground culture, it sounds weird and fascinating

>>8390116
Just read TBK and Notes, what should I read next?

>>8390116
My friend is a literature major and I've read more Russian lit than he has. That should clue you in.

>>8390116
Japanese and Russian literature are both part of western literature

>>8391610
yeah sounds like your friend goes to a shitty college

>>8390338

I AM COME FROM SEX.

>>8391627
Senpai he went to Notre Dame and I went to an engineering school

>>8390116
>Have you read any of it?
yes all the meme authors, tolstoy, dosto, gogol etc.
>What are your impressions and opinions?
that russian literature is absolutely based and the best thing to come out of the country
>Have you read any contemporary Russian authors?
no
>Finally, do you consider it an important part of the western literature world, or just some exotic literature like Japanese or Indian authors?
in my opinion it's far less exotic than japanese or colonial literature. actually less exotic than even south american lit. then again im finnish, russia is a lot closer to us than to most

>>8390116
Dostoyevsky, Tolstoy, Chekhov, and Solzhenitsin are all very very well known in the west.

only russian lit ive read is dostoyevsky

russian authors are viewed as significantly closer to the west than asian or Indian authors

>>8390497

there are only two women writers in a list of 100. 4chan is pathetic

>>8391782
women should write better then

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Hi, it's russian comrade again. I am pleasantly surprised about ur view at literature of my country. I thought, u read only english literature.

What about school curriculum? We are read only our literature. It's nood good, coz the most part of russian literature isn't for kids.
We havent books like "The Catcher in the Rye" or "Tom Sawyer" or "The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn".

I started read at 5-6 years. I am very like "Harry Potter"(it's favorite book for russian kids) and "The Wizard of Oz". I'm didn't read literature in highshool (only in 3 last years). I'm didnt understand our literature. What can give u "Crime and Punishment" in 15 years?

Now I'm understand how it's great and high. Now i'm start read school curriculum.

Also, in Russia we have a Meme. It is fashionable to be an intellectual. And kids 14-20 reading alternative and hating classic literature. Addicted to atheism.
Chack Palahniuk, Richard Dawkins, Bukowski and another

"Thus Spoke Zarathustra" "The God Delusion" "1984+ Animal farm" on the picture. Meme-books.

Another picture i'll try to translate:

Alisa Mezhenskaya:
Finally, something is wrong in my head a little bit. For example, when i'm reading books, i don't understand they meaning whole meaning, not deep! Point is that, when i am reading, about every 5 minute, I get distracted again and again by one thought. " Goodness gracious! I'm reading books! I'm such a good fellow! I'm reading books nowadays-i'm elite!" from high society

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>>839217

another picture

Reminder that Tolstoy was a complete and utter hack.

To the Anons whove read C&P as well as Stirner did you notice how he could have resolved his internal struggle by de spooking?

>>8392178
where were you when russian lit dies

I was at home reading pynchon when pjotr ring

"tolstoy is kill"

"no"

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is this guy any good?

>>8392322
Yes, he is also a kind of a prophet. Some of his early dystopian stories have become a reality in Putin's Russia.

>>8391351
this, for example

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyubery

this is one of the most famous perestroika underground musicians and his most famous song (basically every kid knew it):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yegor_Letov

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ift8T7eVEo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ift8T7eVEo

>>8391351
>>8392394

Since Letov is considered a prominent poet for his lyrics, here is an English translation of the song I posted above, I found it on the web, I'ts not too good but gives you the idea:

Everything Is Going According to the Plan

Bepcии: #1#2
The key to our borders has been broken in two
And Our Father Lenin has withered away --
He's decayed into mold and wild honey.
And the Perestroika is still going and going according to plan.
And the mud has turned into bare ice, and everything is going according to plan.

And my destiny wants some rest.
I've promised it not to join the game of war.
But on my army cap, there is a hammer and a sickle and a star
How touching -- a hammer, a sickle and a star.
The wild lantern of anticipation is flailing
And everything is going according to plan.

And they fed my wife to the crowds.
With the fist of the world they pounded in her chest.
With worldwide liberty they tore her flesh.
So bury her in Christ - and everything shall go according to plan.

Only our grandfather Lenin was a good leader[*]
All the other ones are such shit.
All the others are enemies and such fucking assholes.
Over the homeland, the land of our fathers, an insane snow was falling.
I bought a "Korea" magazine[**] -- they have it good too.
They have Comrade Kim Il-sung, they have the same as we do.
I am sure that they have the same thing and everything is going according to plan.

Well, when we get communism it'll all be fucking great.
It will come soon, we just have to wait.
Everything will be free there, everything will be an upper.
We'll probably not even have to die.
I woke up in the middle of the night and realized that everything is going according to the plan.

[*]According to Yegor Letov, this part mocks political views of an average Soviet citizen. - Nimbie
[**] "Korea" was a propagandist magazine from North Korea, published in Russian and distributed in USSR. - Nimbie

>>8392252
You mean Shakespeare.

>>8392178
>Goodness gracious! I'm reading books! I'm such a good fellow! I'm reading books nowadays-i'm elite!
Fits the western stereotype for contemporary russian folk desu
Can't even ask what went wrong

>>8392564
>what went wrong
Market economy and freedom of speech.

>>8390133
I've actually considered learning Russian a couple times before just so I could read their literature, because it seems to be far ahead of the degenerate Anglosphere. I blame this on what I assume to be two factors:

1. The general cultural isolation from the rest of the world
2. The richness of Russian grammar could make for a lot more interesting writing through nuance

>Also learn Russian because it's based
I did enough that I could read the Cryllic script and understand some basic words, but I decided it would ultimately be pointless to put so much effort into a language and barely be able to find any original Russian language PDFs I could read.

I'm aware that Russia basically has an entire industry of pirating but I'm too stupid to find anything.

>Whenever i meet Russians they seem retarded however
I guess a lot of it is the media and English websites in general painting them as "lel crazy slavic farmers who capture every event on their dashboard cams," which probably has some truth to it. At least if you come across a smart Russian they seem to truly fulfill the word.

>>8392814
>I did enough that I could read the Cryllic script and understand some basic words, but I decided it would ultimately be pointless to put so much effort into a language and barely be able to find any original Russian language PDFs I could read.

You only have to search "title + author + cкaчaть(download)" and you'll find what you're looking for. I started learning Russian two years ago and was pleasantly surprised by how easy it is to find material to study.

>>8390500
you've probably already read it, especially if you're a dostoevsky fan, but notes from underground is pretty wild. great blend of insanity and clarity, the casual style makes it relatively easy to read even when it rambles (which it does)

>>8391395
probably crime and punishment

>>8392873
Thanks. If I can get a good collection of PDFs going I might seriously try getting into the language more.

Is it just me or is late-Soviet/post-Soviet literature the absolute worst? Almost every work I've read from a late-Soviet or post-Soviet author seems to rely on the crutch of using the Soviet ideology, and some form of ironic or twisted criticism on it, as the basis of their work(s). It seems as though it is almost impossible for the writers who have spent their childhoods in the Soviet Union or the years following its collapse to not write about it; Like they cannot distinguish or write a story separate of those themes.

Japanese canon suffers a lot of the same issues considering the Meiji Restoration and the end of World War II, but at least, instead of jaded criticism, there is a strange sense of loss to most of that generation-and-place's writers that reflects a unique angle to their zeitgeist.

>>8390654
Oh i read Omon Ra, it was pretty funny/dark.

>>8392814
There is an insane amount of Russian on the internet. It's the second language after English I'm pretty sure.

Pretty much any pdf of any classic literature you would want is there. And there's lots of other stuff as well

It is well worth it to learn, the perspective some Russians have on the West is also very interesting

>>8390174
is that him wearing a scouter?

>>8392322

Pleb-tier.

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Read Kuprin and enjoy. Tolstoy without heavy brain and more true to life. Touching, accurate and sincere author of his time.

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>>8394251
>Sorokin
>Pleb-tier
but

I want to learn Russian, I never learned a language before, what is the best way to learn Russian?

>>8394298

Plain language, no prognostic value. Very pseud thing, trust me.

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>>8394305
this book is fucking gold. I was just messing about and learning the alphabet and reading some short stories and stuff online and I decided to get that book because it was hailed in a couple places as the best one, and it really is.

You don't even strictly need to do the exercises, just reading it thoroughly and repeatedly will do the trick to at least be able to read the language. You should always be reading texts as well, even if you aren't understanding them it will imprint and then one day you'll find you know what's being said.

Speaking it is entirely different. It would be immensely difficult to become fluent without just living among Russian speakers

The Idiot is beyond amazing.

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For those who want to read something more than just world aknowleged names:

1. Goncharov
2. >>8394274 That guy.
3. Soljenitsyn
4. Leskov
5. Shishkin

Stay patrician.

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>>8394314
but
>implying you would yield

>>8390116

Some other authors who deserve more attention:
- Venedikt (Y)erofeyev
-Sergei Dovlatov
-Sigizmund Krzhizhanovsky

>>8394368

Nigga, just read if you want to :DD

>>8394376

>Sigizmund Krzhizhanovsky

Google can't process this name, that's why so little read his works.

>>8394432

Also worth noting that, like Gogol, he was actually Ukranian

>>8394443

Well, language is the thing that matters. Nabokov was ethnic Russian, but he is an American novelist.

I live in a nordic country

if anyone ever mentions literature in a context that isn't harry potter and popular crime thrillers, some of the first authors to pop up are Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky

they're probably the first thing anyone interested in "serious literature" picks up

also Dostoyevskys biggest works are available as convenient paperbacks ("pocket books") in probably every bookstore - this is saying something, shitty bookstores tend to have very shitty selections of classic books unless you order them

contemporaries, tho... yeah, you'll need to find someone deeper into literature to hear about them

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>>8390116
>>8390338
>>8390500
So i just finished Crime and Punishment and I feel like I'm missing something. This is my first Russian novel as well as my first Dostoevsky. I am not trying to start a shitfit but it seemed like a good book with an good theme albeit one which had far more text than was necessary to get the point across (for instance i feel like everything involving Pyotr Petrovich Luzhin could have disappeared without effecting much else). Though is see everyone praise it and I feel like I'm missing something important especially due to the massive effects it has had on a lot of people.
I really do want to see what everyone else sees

>>8394321

Agreed. It's fantastic. I'm using this, duolingo and memrise for vocab, learnrussian.rt.com to practice grammatical ideas in context as well as basic listening, and finally just reading everything in the language I can get my hands on

>>8393802
No shit. Russia got seriously fucked by the soviets. Modern russian literature is a joke
>Pelevin
>Sorokin
>some meme genre fiction and YA writers
There was Gorchev, who wrote in slightly surrealistic, yerofeev style. But it's mostly the same postsoviet whining, and he is now dead without writing anything of merit. There was Masodov, who is well worth reading for prose alone. But they are not translated anyway.

>>8395263
Luzhin is there to make a point that being an egoist is bad, baaaad! Don't you miss this important fact!

>>8392178
I find it really sad that post-communist countries (and here I mean European Eastern Block + Yugoslavia) have developed an awful community that is conformist, and if you aren't part of it you are mocked and ridiculed.
The new atheism has gotten a status of religion, and youth is trying to replace the titoist ideals with consumerism, hedonism and 'antifa'.
Classical education needs to make a comeback, the Prussian system is terrifying.
But Russian's are, at least, reading somewhat good books, and your contemporary writers are on my reading list. Bosnia's youth are preoccupied reading shit YA, romance and so on.
I enrolled in a Writer Group (amateurs, that critique and improve on eachother) and the director told me "It's bad, girls come here with romantic novels and we're sick of them, but if we deny them we are seen as anti-education."
She said that what I wrote (some half-existensialist shit story) is miles ahead of what she usually gets.
I'm really sad now.

>>8395508
Solid humblebrag. Didn't even see it coming.

>>8395873
I would never. :^)

>>8395508
Herzegovina has a lot of Franciscans and wherever they are you'll have people reading. That region has a lot of people our age who read a lot, it's much more common than in many other regions.

>>8395263

Dostoevsky was a very sloppy genius, that's all. It's okay to be critical of a great work of literature.

C&P is mostly for the ideas.

crime and punishment is essential. the part where raskolnikov has the dream about the mare being whipped and beaten to death before his own helpless, childhood eyes made me burst into tears because i had similar dreams as a child. dostoevsky's notes was a massive wake up call of sorts, i'm always surprised at how well he can capture the human mind. we all have underground man and raskolnikov in us, and he paints them so well and with such intensity and focus that he ends up creating characters that may as well exist in reality.

haven't read many russians, but i'm looking to finish crime and punishment and maybe move to:
dead souls
hero of our time
master and margarita
a day in the life of...
pale fire/ada, or ardor
brothers k
death of ivan illych

any recs? only read some dostoyevsky, turgenev, chekhov, etc. real basics. love the russian themes of family and religion.

>>8396335
Twelve Chairs. Both funny and nabo approved.

>>8396371
Yes. And Golden Calf.

Tell me some on Gogol, used to see threads on Dead Souls alot here. Oppinions? Fun facts?

>>8391696
notre Dame is a sports team masquerading as a college the academics are a joke

>>8390116
Is Notes From Underground one of the most convoluted stories ever written? It was definitely the most convoluted thing I've ever read.

>>8396982
It's pretty straightforward, isn't it? He rambles with 'us' (the way he sees us) and then recalls about the time that he felt something for a hooker, and how he never was liked.