Can we agree that Socrates wasn't real?

Socrates did exist. No idea what you're saying. Are you trying to make a statement of his popular characterization? We know him through Plato, who puts him on his hand and makes him dance.

>>8379647
If Socrates weren't real, wouldn't Aristotle have said something?

>Plato is dear but truth is dearer still.

Also, his existence is attested to by both Xenophon and Aristophanes (who wrote The Clouds before Plato had written any dialogues). Why would Aristophanes write a satiric play about someone who didn't exist?

And, finally, even if Socrates didn't exist (which literally no historian believes), so what?

>>8379665
>>8379676
OP is such a faggot he was proven a faggot twice the same way.

>>8379665
>If Socrates weren't real, wouldn't Aristotle have said something?
Aristotle mentions his kids. Unless Socrates was like a character in Aristophanes' continuuing soap opera "The Clouds" who later had kids and Aristotle was all like "wtf these characters are shit, Socrates was way better"

>>8379676
What if Xenophon, Aristophanes and Plato discussed about creating a fake character to make a comment about the nature of reality?

>>8379688
What if everyone got together in the 30's and made up a big ol war very similar to one not long before?

Just go straight to solipsism bruh.

>>8379647
If Socrates wasn't real, then why are there still monkeys?

>>8379647
How can Socrates be real if our reason isn't[/spoilers] real?

>>8379647
Ah, I see you are an expert on what is indeed real and, therefore, what is not. Would you be so kind, as I'd love to enrich myself with your wisdom, as to explain to me what is "real" and what is not?

>>8379647
>missing the point this hard
It doesn't matter if Socrates, the man, was real.
The idea of Socrates is what Plato is trying to convey.
If you don't see the value of ideas, then you shouldn't be reading Plato.

Also, he was real. It's pretty well documented by more than a few authors.

So I guess Plato and Xenophon were in together on a lie? Same with Aristophanes when he mentions him? What about his other pupils? Such as Alexamenus of Teos, Antisthenes, Euclid of Megara, Aeschines of Sphettos, Phaedo of Elis, and Simon the Shoemaker who all were said to write Socratic dialogues (and we have a few fragments of some of them -- both from recordings of later doxographers and of independent scrolls)? Were they all bullshitting about Socrates too?

Was Aristotle going along with the joke as-well? He says that Plato's early dialogues are more oriented of him representing the historical Socrates' views and not of his own, as he did later on. Did Plato lie to him too? Lie to one of his best and closest students who was in the academy for over 20 years, and never inquired about asking peers of Plato's age if they knew about Socrates (which he actually did) and if he existed and their anecdotes with him (which he actually did hear and record). Were they bullshitting too?

Are you telling me it's all a coincidence that a lot of the most influential philosophizers in one particular city happened to write about the same fictional guy and representing him as a humble guy, considered peculiar by many of his elite peers, and his encounters and inquiries with epistemology, and that they all happened to have been written in dialogue form?

FECK YOU TS, HE'S REALER THAN REAL

>>8379647
Naturally, yes.

Socrates was Platos imaginary friend and every conception we have of morality,human nature and objectivity are just delusional ravings of a madman

>>8379647
Aeschines of Sphettus was with Socrates on the day of his death.

He went on to write philosophical dialogues in which Socrates was main speaker.

Seven of these 'Conversations with Socrates' were regarded by Diogenes as being 'stamped with Socratic character'.