/sffg/ - Science Fiction and Fantasy General

>>8374307
>Why is it that with 80+ regular users I had to make the last 3 threads?
Because for some reason you think a thread needs to be created before the old one hits page 10.

>>8374307

>What sff book are you reading?

Knife Of Dreams. Yeah, I know.

>What new book/ never discussed book would you like to recommend?

It seems I'm the only one who has read Van Der Meer's Finch, but it's a good book and I'm going to shill it.

>>8374316
Hate fucking is perfectly understandable

>>8374307
>Why is it that with 80+ regular users I had to make the last 3 threads?
I don't want y'all becoming inured to my sense of humor.

I find it a bit eerie when I encounter cherryhposting in outer lit. Some anon just isn't as subtle :3 as I am.

Is Lies of Locke Lamora any good?

>>8374416
It's awful.

>>8374416
it's alright, avoid the rest of the series

>>8374420
what's wrong with it?

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Can I get some recommendations on books that are about the future of humanity like pic related and Julian May books?

>>8374416
Rothfuss thinks it's amazing and similar to his work.
I don't need to add anything.

>>8374463

So it's really good? Thanks I'll check it out

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>>8374463

So it's shit then. Also kek @ Rothfuss for thinking his own work is "amazing" when it's really nothing more than a beta cuck's power fantasy.

>>8374463
That whole review was Rothfuss wanking himself over how good his book was and how upset he was that he was being compared to Lynch. Like he was paid to give a positive review but did it in the most assblasted manner possible

>>8374307
The Moon is a Harsh Mistress. Halfway through, really good if a bit strange.

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It is a know fact that the west has been stealing bits of anime for years to write fantasy / scifi...

Now they are annexing the entire farm... what does this book scream at you when you first glance?

Seid ihr das Essen?
Nein, wir sind der Jäger!

>>8374624
die Jäger*

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The often requested chart, now without bait or traps

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>>8374732
I'll post mine then, brother.

Going and do an update soon, lord of light and a few others are being added.

>>8374732
Shit I forgot Iron Dragons Daughter

>>8374740
How is lord of light modern you idiot

Where do I start with Gene Wolf?
Name a few books, because I'll be buying them internationally and should try to stick to one shipping fee.

Does anyone write fantasy novels purely for fun and not try to get them published or anything? I've written two and am writing a third and nobody has read them but me. I just find it enjoyable. I'd love to get published or something but it seems like a lot of work and rejection to approach agents and publishers and everything. Just wondering if anyone else wrote genre fiction purely as a hobby.

>>8374766
I've never written anything longer than a 4chan post in my whole 29 years of life.

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Updated version. If anyone will repost, post this one.

>>8374752
Book of the New Sun
Island of Doctor Death and Other Stories and Other Stories
Best of Gene Wolfe
Fifth Head of Cerberus
The Wizard Knight

>>8374790
>>8374752

Different anon, but am I missing anything with this list? I want to make sure this is all the Gene Wolfe Sun content:

THE SOLAR CYCLE

The Book of the New Sun #1 - The Shadow of the Torturer 1980
The Book of the New Sun #2 - The Claw of the Conciliator 1981
The Book of the New Sun #3 - The Sword of the Lictor 1982
The Book of the New Sun #4 - The Citadel of the Autarch 1983

The Castle of the Otter 1983

The Urth of the New Sun 1987

The Book of the Long Sun #1 - Nightside the Long Sun 1993
The Book of the Long Sun #2 - Lake of the Long Sun 1994
The Book of the Long Sun #3 - Caldé of the Long Sun 1994
The Book of the Long Sun #4 - Exodus from the Long Sun 1996

The Book of the Short Sun #1 - On Blue's Waters 1999
The Book of the Short Sun #2 - In Green's Jungles 2000
The Book of the Short Sun #3 - Return to the Whorl 2001

>>8374796
That is all.

>>8374796
>>8374801
he's missing the short stories

The Cat
The Map
Empires of Foliage and Flower

they go before new sun iirc

>>8374796
there are a few short stories set in the Sun universe: The Map, The Cat, empires of Foliage and Flower. The Map and the Cat are in Endangered Species ... empires of foliage and flower is in starwater strains. Some people like to say miscellaneous stories are "Brown Book stories" but those are the ones definitely set in the Urth universe, and the others are simply not even thematically related.

>>8374807
When should i read those short stories? before or after new sun?

>>8374808
Unimportant. They are mostly independent.

>>8374750
My "modern" chart is for people who enjoy books written in our times.

Books recommended on the chart would still live up and be enjoyed by contemporary readers. You don't get a dated feel when reading them.

They are enjoyable and somewhat meld with our current version of society (not talking sjw shit).

A lot of the old scifi I have are described in such a way that they can be from a modern time. Like the time machine, finished that a few weeks back, how things were described sans the candles, you could take it for some 1% snob's residence.

>>8374808
The Map should be read after the first four volumes of New Sun. Probably the Cat as well.

Also, the Night Chough is another Long Sun short story, to be read after Long Sun

>>8374785
>diary of a young girl

Just finished 1632.
What's /lit/ stance about the Ring of Fire books?

>tfw will never teach a war-ravaged qt the power of orgasms

>>8374875
Judging by the "power of orgasms" it's probably anime tier shit

>>8374454
Diaspora by Greg Egan

>>8374785
Kek

I just want to say

I'd been getting kind of burnt out on reading between having to do a lot of academic reading for uni, but I started reading some genre fiction again and it's really reminded me how much I do love reading. Sanderson is no Dostoevsky or anything, but he reawakened the joy of the experience for me, so I'm thankful.

I am baffled by people praising The Stormlight Archive over Mistborn though; the latter has so much more thematic depth and ambition that it's ridiculous.

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>a few second hand books and shipping is a fifth of my monthly income

Gotta love being born in the ass of the world.
How is this haul? Also, is there some way to buy second hand books in the EU so I don't pay as much for shipping?

t. bulgarian poorfag

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Moar charts

>>8374942
>Gotta love being born in the ass of the world.

That is not your problem.

Your problem is refusing to get on with the times and simply buying a Glo HD/Paperwhite.

>>8374624
>book cover defines the book
>character standing in front of [imposing threat] is somehow revolutionary

Reaching more that stretch Armstrong here

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>>8374949

>>8374951
I would justify getting one, if I could reliably pirate well formatted versions of the books I want.
Tried doing that and half the stuff I want to read either can't be (illegally) downloaded for free, or the copies available have spelling errors, missing pages, bad formatting, and so on.

Point me to a solid ebook archive that actually has its links work and deliver good copies, and I'll buy two kindles.

>>8374965
All of the books in that "haul" are available everywhere without issues.

>>8374958
for the longest time i thought china mieville was female, until i saw his image posted on 4chan actually

>>8374965

mobilism and libgen are both solid.

>>8374891
>Judge by a cover, won't you?
T'was just a jest. Learned million times more about the 30y war than in school.

>>8374942
Buy an e reader for less than you are paying for now for these books lol

>>8374971
Thats because I am only buying the books I can afford and see second hand.

>>8374973
Both have more than half their links be either broken, or to terribly fotmatted copies.

>>8374978
That's because you never read a book about the 30 year war son.

>>8374973
Your post led me to this
http://www.kboards.com/index.php?topic=147507.0

>>8374981
Unless you are looking for very specific contemporary philosophy, every fantasy you can think of has a good epub.

>>8374981
I've no idea wtf you're talking about. The new, expensive books even more likely have good versions available.

>>8374981
>Download Calibre
>Learn 2 format
>Git gud
>???
>Profit (and contribute to the community, uploading the books)

Or just sit there and whine like a little bitch.

>>8374991
Couldn't find good ones for stuff like Leviathan, Decline of the West, Make Friends and Influence People, etc.
Or the Inside Jokes book that I an contemplating buying now, but all these ebook posts are making me reconsider. A hundred dollaridoos are a lot of money for me.

>>8374997
Format, as in the actual text, not the fucking file extension.
No footnotes, no references linked, no captions or headers, no different fonts for some of the text, things like that. It can kill some books.

>>8374984
I did now... Because 1632 piked my interest.
Instead of being such a curmudgeon, why don't you downlad it and give it a go? It's free. (The rest of the series is not)

>>8375005

Calibre lets you edit all of what you mentioned. All of it.

>>8375000
Leviathan is even free on Gutenberg man
http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/3207

Also, pdfs on ereaders aren't so bad.
The only authors I couldn't find in mobi or epub are G.S.M. Anascombie, Edith Stein and Peter Geach and they are very far from commonly read authors as far as editions go.

>>8375005
Ok, then just keep whining, I guess...

>>8374972
Yeah, it's a bit of a weird name - I actually had the opposite happen with Andre Norton.

Might do some more specialized charts soon, seems like there's nothing much here aside from generic "recommendations" ones. Anyone got requests?

>>8375012
Because I have better books to read, honestly.

>>8375023
Do themes.
Sword&Sorcery, the mode "realistic" fantasy, high fantasy, etc.

>>8375012
Contribooting
http://www.baenebooks.com/c-10-ring-of-fire-series-by-eric-flint.aspx

>>8375024
Good enough, then.
Just don't be under the impression it's "anime tier shit" because I made a joke you didn't like.

>>8375050
In these threads, fetishes make people go through Sanderson and Jordan, it's hard to tell who is joking and who isn't.

>>8375073

I'm going through Jordan through sheer force of will and despite being annoyed at the enormous quantity of spanking and slapping going on. I just have to know how all the million subplots and events come crashing together. Book 11 right now.

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>>8375012

>>8374307
>Why is it that with 80+ regular users I had to make the last 3 threads?

Because I made the other 3 threads. Literally. So I'm tired of making new threads.

Why is there no malazan movie/book adaptation?

>>8374785
Your contribution is appreciated.

>>8374785

I haven't read a single book from this list

>>8375223
How is that even possible for a person who reads sff?

>>8375223
Are you American?

>>8375210
It's already a book.
>>8375221
I'll update it as I read good stuff and I forgot Lem. I always forget Lem.

>>8375234
>>8375235

Not american, but I do say I did read some of the ideas that were in 1984, brave new world and the one about burning all books, but not the books itself

>>8375258
>but I do say I did read

Are you from Illian? Me, I'm from Tarabon, yes?

>>8375223
How do you not read Lord of the Rings and The Master and Margarita?

>>8375267
boring

>>8375258
What kind of english is this

>>8375262
Braid tugging intensifies.

>>8375267
MaM is not too popular in all areas of the world. Bulgakov isn't exactly Dostoevsky/Tolstoy/Gogol/Chekov popular.

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>>8375262
>>8375273

>>8375280
Fucking Faust reading shits.

>>8375304
Only read Sorrows of Young Werther.
I'm generally not a big fan of anything German, philosophy or literature.

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>>8374956

>>8375310
Meant that MaM is basically a retelling of the Faust legend. Nevermind.

>>8375326
Oh, right, sorry.
I know only one person who read Faust. She's a hot patrician qt who used to hang out with me for a while, then mysteriously stopped all contact. A shame desu.
Werther is mandatory school reading.

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>you'll never settle down and have a nice long comfortable life with Spinner-of-Rope
:-(

>>8375345
>you will never band up and go hunting, fishing and raiding with Cnaiür urs Skiötha, then come home to give each other handjobs

>>8375356
>you will never cruise interstellar trade routes, studiously applying yourself to the unfamiliar role of merchant crewman as the lone male interloper on a crew of adoring space cats

>>8375319
You do realize the book isn't about killing giants?

>>8375271
>>8375262

I must say I don't find what you gentlemen say rather comprehensible, care to elaborate on your ideas perhaps?

>writing a book
>now at 40k words
>a plot has yet to materialize

Should I kill myself?

>>8375543
Are you going for a Gormenghast kind of thing? If not, yes.

>>8375543
You already did, anon. This is hell. In hell too, you are trying, and failing, to write a book.

>>8375543
Are you female? If so, it's perfectly normal for your type

>>8375543
I'm sort of the opposite, I've hit 43k and now I'm ready to wrap everything up in a couple of chapters.

>>8375543
How is this possible? I can sort of understand beginning to write without a clear idea of the plot, but 40k is a long time for nothing to happen. Are you just introducing loads of characters or something?

>>8375614
My main character is traveling in the wilderness towards a house. The 40k is him passing through villages aimlessly and taking in the environment. I guess "no plot" is relative but to me, it really doesn't have much going on

>>8375625

So it's an adventure story?
Add some end-goal in the introduction and only advance the plot in the last chapter, easy.

>>8375282
Jesus put a spoiler warning on that thing

Been reading Gene Wolfe's work over the past few months, fantastic stuff, but does anyone else feel his endings are usually a bit weak? It's like he always has the introduction start right, and the climax of the novels of are always perfect, but the endings either feel cut short, or sort of fizzles away everything he built up over the course of the narrative.

Book of the New Sun and Latro in the Mist were the ones that first come to mind when I think of this.

Best GRI series with lesbian protagonist?

>>8375704
Book of the New Sun had an absolutely phenomenal ending, what are you talking about?
Latro on the other hand is literally unfinished because he finds it too much of a hassle now, he's old af after all.
>>8375708
Iron Dragons Daughter

>>8375704

His short stories have fantastic endings.

>Fifth Head Of Cerberus

>"Someday they'll want us."

>The Death Of Dr.Island

>"There was no reply."

People who read them know.

>>8375704
Urth of the New Sun felt like a proper ending to Book of the New Sun, for me at least. The whole book is basically a great big epilogue.

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>>8373615
>The RS universe 'ended' by humanity fleeing to another galaxy from the Greenflies.

So is this a cliffhanger of an actual 'end'?

I've never read any of Tolkien's stuff, but I have The Silmarillion and the LOTR trilogy on my shelf. Where do I start? Do I need to read The Hobbit before any of these?

>>8375744
Any order.

>>8375744
honestly just skip the hobbit desu, it's only decent when you're like 12 - 16

probs read Silmarillion first then LOTR

>>8375704
Wolfe's endings are as weak as the reader.

The acerbic tone is a joke, but his works all work much better on a reread and seem less abrupt, especially when you actually understand the subtext.

>>8375704
Wizard Knight has one of the greatest endings ever.

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this has one of the highest ratings on all goodreads

is it really that good?

>>8375979
It's decent, but not *that* good.

>>8375744
Hobbit first, but keep in mind it's pitched much younger than LotR. I think that transition, that sensation of opening up to a subtler world enhances the power of the trilogy.

Only read the Silmarillion if you're still obsessed after finishing LotR.

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>>8374307
If you loved Firefly like I did this shit is amazing.

Currently reading Dune.

Does this shit ever get good? I'm on page ~150 and they're at a big dinner and they're talking about political stuff and oh god I am so fucking bored.

>>8376104
Yes, it already got good. If you don't like it now just drop it.

>>8376110

Really? This counts as 'good'?

>>8374766
It's very easy to self-publish now if you'd just like to have some people read your work and aren't looking for big bucks or critical approval. Although there's always a chance your epub on amazon could take off--wasn't The Martian originally self-published on a blog or something?

>>8376104
It certainly gets more eventful by the end of the dinner party. As for better, that is a matter of taste. For me Dune is a 3/5 book.

>>8376132

I think I ruined it for myself by watching the movie first.

>>8375234
I've only read 4 of those and they are extremely entry level titles. 98% of the fantasy and scifi I've read was published after 1990, with roughly half being published after the year 2000.

>>8376104
>>8376110
>>8376132

I myself just finished Dune, enjoyed it mostly but wasn't blown away. Are the sequels worth it or can I drop the series?

>>8376143
They're only worth it if you liked the first.

>>8376126
>wasn't The Martian originally self-published on a blog or something?
Yeah, so were Wool and John Dies At The End

>>8376143
The sequels are, at times, richer than Dune itself, but if you didn't find it enthralling then you will probably be completely turned off by them.

Nobody in these threads seems to talk about the kind of books I like. And why does "modern" in these threads almost exclusively mean books that came out in the 60s, 70s, and 80s?

>What sff book are you reading?
Just finished reading Seveneves and Aurora; now I think I'd like to pivot towards something a little softer, maybe lighter, certainly more optimistic. I was considering picking up another Culture novel from Iain M Banks. I've read the first two, but the series seems to go a bit wild from there.

>What new book/ never discussed book would you like to recommend?
I said what I said above, but if you do happen to like mushy sf books from the 80s, Neverness by David Zindell was a fun and vaguely thought provoking one I don't see mentioned much around here.

>>8376186
Really? cause I see tons of discussion from stuff in the 90s, 00's and even '10s.

>>8376257
Only in fantasy, as far as I can tell.

Would you guys read a space opera set in an interstellar empire that was a mix of the Russian Empire, the USSR and the first German Reich?

>>8376329
>a mix of the Russian Empire, the USSR and the first German Reich?
Doesn't this describe most interstellar empires in space opera?

>>8374454
Count to a Trillion, but the Last And First Men stuff doesn't really take off until the second book (Hermetic Millennia).

The Xeelee Sequence is also good, but it's pretty vanilla in terms of transhumanism.

>>8376337
Most of those are usually just Nazis, Romans or Brits.

>>8376329
Red Rising


or Warhammer 40k, come on dude

>>8376186
Seveneves third part was quite a stretch, wasn't it?

>>8376521
Explain how those are like the Russian Empire and USSR

>>8376535
Why would he have to explain?
If you read the book you would know what it's about.

>>8375543
>writing my book
>only 6k words
>feels like I've been writing it for ages
>it's still nowhere near the exciting plot point I want it to be

Fuck me, writing is hard and I'm too lazy to do it. I just want to read shit.

>>8376535
Do you not know what 40k is about?


Red Rising is the Year of the Four Emperors in spess

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_of_the_Four_Emperors

>>8376658
>Brown took the manlet meme literally and based his book around it
Fucking lankets

>>8376530
Sure was--not that I mind that in general, though. But after reading about 600 pages of characters lifted straight out of nerd pop culture acting out what the author insists on calling realism, it was slightly jarring to jump into an imaginative and unlikely setting.

I don't think the third part would've seemed particularly unusual if the entire story had taken place there, but the author got the idea in his head that he wanted to tell "the Epic" first. Plenty of perfectly good sci-fi is way more ridiculous, but I guess it's hard to mix hard and soft.

Stephenson did at least make the tiniest of efforts to explain why they would have gigantic space structures etc. without having advanced microtechnology in any way. If you think about it, maybe ancient people would wonder why we obsess over making tiny screens that light up and not on improving established technology like "stone walls" or "the wheel." That said, I think Anathem had a much better take on this and was a better book overall.

>>8375081
Keep going, friendo. Just finished my first read through of the series and was very satisfied with the conclusion, all things considered.

>>8376835
Should I read any other Stephenson books? I enjoyed this one, although I'm not sure I could stand another novel full of page long droolings of every detail about someone imaginable like part 1 and 2 of Seveneves

>>8375050
Not him, but it is anime tier.
>cheerleader sniping fools, completely unstoppable, feels nothing
>cute stereotype scotsmen from nowhere
>fat kid literally has a hot camp follower all over his d for no reason
>Gustavus II Adolphus a good boy he love democracy now
The air combat in the sequels is even worse.

Not saying it's not really, really fun. I love anime. It's just 1632 is anime.

>>8375463
Neither is AoT

>>8376910
I have only read Seveneves and Anathem because Snow Crash made me too melancholy to enjoy it. The only other books of his I've bought or downloaded are Cryptonomicon and The Diamond Age, both of which seemed highly regarded and sounded interesting to me.

I get the feeling not everyone likes Anathem as much as I do, but I found it utterly charming. Unlike Seveneves it has no pretension of "hardness." It plays with language and philosophy in amusing, though perhaps not deep or relatable ways, in a curious setting that keeps on getting curiouser. Plus I have a thing for "magic grad student" fiction. It is bizarre and not very direct, but the more I read the more interested I was.

>>8376964
I enjoy how this is an actual spoiler in addition to being a sarcastic spoiler.

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>>8376973
Anathem's pretty well-liked here in my experience, we just don't have much to say about it. It's really nice to see modern worldbuilding outside of anime.

>>8376186
I just finished Hannu Rajaniemi's Quantum Prince series. It was super-fun. Also is Rajaniemi the second-most aesthetic SF author after Pierce Brown?

>>8376553
Outline it son. Outline it.

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>>8376343
>tfw Vindication of Man drops in three months
Have you read Wright's spoilers for the universe-building? I am incredibly hyped.

>>8376999
wasted trips D:

>>writing my Novel
>>Trying to write a Urban Fantasy with Sociology of supernatural as the theme
>>Socioeconomics and socio-political will also be included as the main conflict between various Supernatural races
>One of the main characters is extremely cynical due to dealing with Supernatural bullshit on a constant basis and seeing through their lies
>The other main character is a newcomer who only knows the Supernatural Via T.v, Movies and YA novels.
>Other assorted P.O.V are from the Vampire, werewolf, fairies and other assorted Supernaturals vying to be on top and how their pack, coven, clan, tribes, interact with one another and humans on a daily bases.

I need Advice /Lit/ would any publisher accept this work? Or will they reject it because it hits a little too close to home?

>>8376992
That's the problem. I don't really know what events I should fill in between the introduction and the plot point I am going for.

>>8376988
>It's really nice to see modern worldbuilding outside of anime.
Yeah, it really scratched the itch on that one.

>Hannu Rajaniemi
I've heard of the Quantum Thief and I think even downloaded it a few years ago, but could never quite remember what it was supposed to be about. You've encouraged me to check it out again, and it sounds both gripping and weird. Just my style. So, thanks.

Finnish names sure are funny looking though.

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>>8376999
>Brian Herbert

>>8377015
Would it work as a short story?

>>8377013
Affectionate parodies that still function well in their genre are pretty well-received I think. As long is they're well-written.

>>8377037
His publisher literally hates him. That cover artist called him a nazi on Twitter. The only reason Tor hasn't just punted him is they don't want VD to see any of the money for the last two books. Of course they're going to put blurbs from disreputable authors on there.

>>8377013
To be quite honest with your family, I could see something like this as the premise for an original TV show on The CW or ABC Family or something.

I'm reading Metro 2033. So far so good, a little bit complicated with all the russian names .

>>8374942
use bookdepository anon.

i like sci fi compilations of short stories, any book i should get?

>>8377114
Borges and Ted Chiang

>>8377114
Dangerous Visions

Do you guys have any recommendations that feel like Star Trek? After seeing Star Trek: Beyond I'm looking for something similar.

>>8374320
Not sure if you were the guy who mentioned the Ambergris series in the previous thread, but if so, thanks. The first book is interesting so far

>>8377148
The 1.3 million tie-in novels feel a lot like Star Trek.

>>8376999
Yes, I have read them; they're what got me to pick up the first two books at the same time. Which is fortunate because the first one was a little underwhelming.

>>8375000
Decline is here
https://archive.org/details/Decline-Of-The-West-Oswald-Spengler

>>8377183
I said feels like, not is. I'm not a basement dwelling nerd anon.

>>8377074
>Would it work as a short story?

Not really. I have a couple of ideas for it that won't work in standalone stories.

>check John C. Wright's blog
>it's another politics post
It's not even like I disagree with him, I just wish he had more stuff like the short story he wrote for his Star Wars RPG character sheet.

>>8377412
He has non political posts??????????!?!?!

>>8377427
I know you're joking but here's the first chapter of Hermetic Millennia, cut "for space," that puts the next two books into perspective, provides an actual transition between it and the previous book, and puts the main characters into proper focus.
http://www.scifiwright.com/2015/09/a-lost-chapter-descendants-and-emulations/

I hate that fat cuckservative Wright for triggering the fat libcuck GRRM and taking even more of his time from the book he's supposed to be writing. These days he does nothing but blog about the fucking Hugos, as if anybody gives a shit.

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>>8377467

>>8377467
>implying GRRM needed an excuse
>implying he even cares about ASOIAF anymore
>implying he even cares about writing anymore

>>8377467
If it wasn't that, he'd just find some other way to avoid writing.

any chart for Arthurian legends?

heard one was floating around, wondering if anyone could provide

>>8377499

Up here >>8374949, there's a mix of the original tales and some fantasy based on them

>>8377499
>>8377499
It's in this vary thread.

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>>8377507
>>8377506
Oy vey shlomo, thanks. I ctrl+f'd it but nothing came up.

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As someone who went through the AP rigmarole in high school, I 'get' the first half of this book, and think that maybe those who are infuriated by it never had first-hand experience with the kind of person that an excess of competitive standardized testing produces. The idea of magic being just another 'intellectual' rat race, a metaphor for the increasing rarefaction of an 'elite' crowd of students, hits hard, and don't ever believe that the people portrayed here don't exist. I feel a little but of an anti-institutionalized education here: it can even make magic depressing and awful.

>>8374454

The Last Question by Asimov is a great short story.

>he wove Earth and Fire, just so

Just so? JUST SO? GODDAMNIT JORDAN YOU DO REALIZE I CAN'T ACTUALLY SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING DO YOU YOU FAT MICK STOP TELLING AND START ACTUALLY SHOWING SOMETHING FOR ONCE IN YOUR GODDAMN LIFE

>>8375543

damn nigga strip some of that shit out for "The World of X" book you can release when you get famous

>>8376329
Maybe if it's written by a Russian author who really understands the Russian Empire, the USSR, and the first German Reich.

Otherwise it's probably like much of the stuff that's been done.

>>8377114

Pump Six by Paolo Bacigalupi

>>8377528
>genre fags

>>8377569

>Do you know where we are.jpg

>>8377572
Contrary to popular belief, not all science fiction and fantasy are genre fiction of low quality. But Jordan is.

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I have no idea what I'm reading...Is this series to insane for a normie ? I literally feel raped

>>8374307
How does one write a character that is in a state of unconsciousness?

>>8377665

>I have no idea what I'm reading

Garbage.

You've been peer pressured into reading garbage to gain the approval of pretentious sff hipsters who delude themselves into thinking Bakker is some kind of fantasy savior when in reality he namedrops and wordbuilds like your average Jordan except with added arrogance and fifth grade "philosophy".

Is Stross any good?

>>8377665
>>8377714
I honestly can't tell if this is garbage or I'm just to stupid to appreciate it's genius. Give me some arguments.

I like the worldbuilding, even if I don't understand it he is miles better than Jordan or others. I dislike the weird names...but meh, I get it, allien world and all that.

as for the philosophy...I don't know.

Someone elaborate, I don't know if I should go on or stop. Maybe I need to read some philosophy to appreciate this,,,or not( if it's shit).

Thoughts?

>>8377740
>Maybe I need to read some philosophy to appreciate this
The more you read it the more you will dislike him.

>>8377740
Keep reading. The guy you're quoting hasn't even read Bakker and has a personal vendetta against him for some reason.

>>8377731
best modern hard science author

Stross >>> Egan >>> Chiang

>Cnaiür will never take you as his prize

>>8377018
>You've encouraged me to check it out again
Just be careful, it's 4chan the novel.

>>8377740
The philosophy is the worst part and you just have to kind of go with it. He cuts down on it a lot in the next trilogy.

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This book exposes fantasy for the juvenile escapism that it is. Every new fantasy book is like a drug. Once you consume it your life is once again meaningless and you need a new one soon to keep from offing yourself.

>spent 4 years getting a linguistics degree just so I can make a con-lang for my book
>just realized I have no way to support myself

>>8377013
I'd read it. Ive always wanted to read something that delves into the everyday logistics of the supernatural. One of my autistic pet peeves about settings like Warhammer or LOTR is that you have these evil empires populated by cultists and demons, and it's like nigga, who BUILT those spike covered Cyclopean buildings and shit. Is there an architect of chaos? A dark accountant?

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>>8375356
>>8375396
>you'll never bundle up for months-long cuddles with Spinner-of-Rope in the Nightfighter cabin

>>8375730
That's the last story in the universe chronologically, so unless Reynolds decides to write something that takes place afterwards, then yes, that is the end.

>>8378036
>Spent 4 years learning about languages instead of learning how to actually write

Don't worry, you're on the right track for being a fantasy author.

>>8378129
>those 2 armor at the bottom
It seems that Sanderson likes to play dead space.

>>8378129
When a shardblade cuts you it severs your soul right?
So it's basically the 3rd hokage from naruto cutting oroc's hands, and sam and dean from supernatural murdering demons with that demon killing knife(the one that makes your eyes burn out) combined... right?

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>>8378303

>Naruto, Sanderson and Supernatural
>in ONE post

>>8378313
That's Sanderson for you.

>>8377740
>as for the philosophy...I don't know.
There's nothing to know. He just dipped into shallow philosophy waters and smudged his fantasy series with his feet.
There's nothing deep about it.

I have to admit that the politics is far more interesting that ASoIaF because the world seems less cliche medieval england shitwad. Also religion is explored now merely something that's kinda just there.

>>8377740
There's not even that much philosophy in it. He uses it to color a few exchangers in Warrior Prophet, but that's it. Just sit back and enjoy the ride

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>started to read a good scifi book years ago
>left it at someones house
>cant remember the name of it or the author

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>>8378303
Something like that although its effects depend on where you're cut, and depending on where you're cut, can be reversed.

>>8378468
Well gawrsh anon, what was it about?

>>8378479
A human ship investigates an artefact or a site and gets stuck in a structure with various other alien species, all wanting the resources that arrive when a new species arrives. One species is called the Gristle, or their ships are? I really don't remember all that much of it sadly.

>>8378125
There are wheat fields in Mordor, but Frodo and Sam don't care about them. LotR is presented as a novel drawn from actual Middle-earth sources, which were not terribly interested in logistics.

What you're looking for, though, is Mistborn/Way of Kings. Plenty of accountancy in those.

>>8378500
Pushing Ice by Alistair Reynolds. I just read it, actually. Pretty good, although the human relationships are so stilted they might as well be aliens themselves.

>>8378510
Thanks a lot, will pick it up now.
My brother always wondered where that book went

I'm almost finished with Words of Radiance

I'm really digging the Stormlight Archive Series and it's my first time reading Sanderson, should I read the Mistborn series next or try something new like The Lies of Locke Lamora?

>>8378522
Neither, both are shit.

>>8378523
Good thing I didn't buy that box set..

>>8378528
Don't listen to him. Mistborn is a good series. And every book has its own ending.

>>8378568
Don't troll newbies.

>>8378522
First Locke Lamora book is great, second is eh (to be honest it kinda felt like something produced when the author didn't expect to be doing a sequel and then suddenly has publisher going "give us another book next year and we'll sign you for for more"), third is better than the second.

Also Lynch is as bad as GRRM and Rothfus at taking forever to write the next book.

>>8378620
I read The Name of the Wind and I did not care for it at all, I thought it dragged way too much and I didn't care about any of the characters

So I happened to read a spoiler for the Red Rising Trilogy could someone tell me if it's of huge importance or is it only the ending of the first book? I am about 20% through book one and would rather not read it if it's the ending

The MC infiltrates the top of the hierarchy realizes they're doing a good job and does nothing about it

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>>8378510
Yeh, Pushing Ice was pretty rad.

>>8378522
May as well. Probably should have read Mistborn first but no big deal.

>>8378829
I mean, if there's anything else worth reading I'd appreciate recs

Stormlight Archives has gotten me back into reading after a few years off, so I'm out of the loop

>>8378851
There's recs in the OP if you don't know what you want.

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>>8378851
Well, what are you looking for exactly? Sanderson only? Fantasy in general? Sci-fi included too?

If you're into meta, then go with this.

>>8378620
>>8378522
Lynch is too busy getting drug through the gleaming blades of a traumatic, financially influenced multi-year divorce and dealing with his video game based crippling addictio... oh I mean depression.

Lies was a great new book, but that guy is probably going to puss out and eat a few 124 grain, 9mm sized lead tablets before he ever finishes the bastard series.

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Here's the old Cyberpunk list if anyone is interested.

Recently read Tad Williams' Otherland series. It had a few really interesting ideas for virtual realities but hot damn, what a boring sort. Anyone else feel like a good copy editor could've shaved that series down to about a book and a half?

Also, anyone else ever made the horrid mistake of reading literally anything by Terry Goodkind? What the actual fuck?

>>8379081
Yeah, I read Wizard's First Rule and thought "eh, it was his first book, maybe things get better".

They didn't.

>>8379087
I actually read maybe... three or so into that series. I think I was starving for something at the time and my wife had picked up a small collection of paperbacks at a yardsale at one point. Once I'd read enough to make me sick I ended up donating the lot to Goodwill because even our local book exchange didn't want them.

>>8379081
>Recently read Tad Williams' Otherland series. It had a few really interesting ideas for virtual realities but hot damn, what a boring sort.
I read them all in high school and yeah, I agree. Wasn't really worth it. The future headlines in the chapter headings were great, though, like the competing terrorist artists trying to one-up each others' tragedies.

>>8379081
>Otherland
I read that whole series one summer in middle school I think. So it's definitely on the YA side of things. At the time, I enjoyed the ridiculous length, because I just wanted to keep turning pages! Maybe as a book about virtual reality it seems a little dated now, but I think it's pretty comfy. I felt like I could really get a grip on the world of the series. Big enough to be interesting, small enough for a teenager to hold in his head.

Some of the parts like the mars adventure were definitely too long and too "historical" for a kid to get into though.

Are black SFF authors discriminated against?

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/aug/09/black-science-fiction-writers-universal-racism-study-finds-fireside-fiction-blackspecfic

>>8379136
Not if they're pedophiles.

>>8379136
Black sf authors don't exist.
Blacks also rarely have the skill of reading, rarer yet writing.

>>8379148
>he doesn't unironically read gangsta lit

>>8379148
Don't you think this kind of attitude is the problem?

>>8379151
I ironically read Marx.

>>8379153
Considering last time I saw a black person was around 2 months ago and he was a tourist, no.

>>8379157
Are you Eastern European?

>>8379161
Obviously

If sff is so leftist, why aren't they promoting all the obscure literal who black writers in the field?

>>8379170
Because most of them are dinosaurs only dinoanon would know about.

>>8379165
This confirms my theory that literally all of you are racist. You people need enlightenment

>>8379136
Pretty much every single comment responding to that article says exactly what I want to say. What a piss-poor piece of reportage.

>>8379148
>Black sf authors don't exist
>Delaney (who I don't actually like, true, but he's there)
>Octavia Butler
>that Minister Faust guy

>>8379170
Because masculinity scares them. That's why they promote the crap out of authors like Aliette de Bodard, who practically defines "workmanlike," while completely ignoring Charles R. Saunders.

>>8379180
We are. Hence in fifty or so years we will still have our culture and politics, whatever the sultan of Germany would want to say about the subject.

>>8379170
>who is Tempest Bradford
>who is N.K. Jemisin

My favorite sf book is Childhood's End, I've not read much genre stuff. I really love the 2001ASO film and was wondering what you guys thought about the books series?

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>>8379186
>Because masculinity scares them

>>8379180
Racism is the enlightened position, philistine.
>>8379179
Delany?

>>8379196
Having muscles isn't manliness, even if having them is manly.
Melville can be a pussy whipped feminists faggot for all I know.

>>8379196
I... while I can't deny he's... oh my... anyway they don't have to interact with him in person and online he's a Supreme Gentleman.

>>8379211
>Supreme Gentleman
Just look at that pic. When in doubt, pinky out.

>>8379196
I always thought he looked like a creep, but now I kinda want to see his dick. For fuck's sake look at that pour. Damn fine pour.

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>>8379108
>>8379133
Maybe that's my problem with both... I'm jaded and saturated by this point in life. If I had discovered them at an earlier age I could've enjoyed them more. But hey, I was really into Dragonlance around my middleschool years, so I there's that, for what it's worth.

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Hot SFF authors general? No homo.

need some easy read
like american gods or something like that. not limited to fantasy, can be scifi. it would be nice if it's one book not series

>>8379194
Jemisin, that's the one. She's been getting some hot press here lately, and rightly so.

>>8379306
>Yell at publishers so they’ll know you want fiction with PoC protagonists by PoC authors; ask why they don’t have any editors of color; post your own “best of” lists and reviews featuring PoC to counter all the media that ignores PoC; take the Tempest Challenge or otherwise consciously shake up your own reading habits…
Yeah, she's a racist.

>>8379081
>Goodkind
I read that one where Kahlan almost got raped

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>>8379295
he is so fucking hot omg

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>Hot SFF authors general

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>>8379381
10/10 would rust

>>8379324
Larry Korea spotted.

>>8379433
I'm positive that Scalzi is aware of 4chan.

>>8379616
Correia

So I have some questions about Game of thrones. I've finished the last season and I don't remember/understand some things.
I've read the books before but not the last one so bear with me.

1. Where the fuck is Catelyn? Wasn't she still alive and with Dondarrion?

2. Why doesn't Jon have white hair? I thought it was a dominant allele. Did Rhaegar rape Lyanna or were they in love?

3. Will the next seasons come out before the respective books? Is Martin retarded?

4. What happened to the son of Rhaegar that was traveling with Tyrion and why the fuck doesn't he appear in the show?

>>8379930
Everything after season 3 is literal fanfiction. The show barely has anything to do with the books anymore.

Martin is a fat fuck who doesn't write. It is known.

>>8379930
see >>8377473

>>8377467
What?
What happened?

>>8379970
He'll die of heart failure before finishing the series anyway. How can someone be that fat is beyond me.
>>8379955
What about the other questions?

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Is this any good? Bartimaeus was top notch

>>8379170
but they are...

>>8379930
>1
Not in the show. They never included the character of Lady Stoneheart from the plot.
>2
If it were dominant, why do the Targaryens have to inbreed? Also Martin has repeatedly stated that this story takes place in a fantasy world that does not necessarily reflect modern science. He has stated that diseases (e.g. grayscale) do not necessarily have to spread through vectors compatible with germ theory and so on. Thus any conversation of alleles or heredity is moot.
>3
Maybe, and yes. But what does he care? He's already rich beyond his wildest dreams. What started as a parody of fantasy turned into the defining fantasy work of the decade for millions of people who have never read a book in their lives. What's his motivation to finish it now, especially since his fans have already figured out the big twists, and since he's written himself into so many corners in so many plotlines.
>4
Probably a fake and also completely written out of the show. The show writers apparently have secret information about how the series will end, so perhaps we can assume anything written out isn't important anyway. This might be another reason GRRM is demotivated to complete the books.

>>8379985
He really is unbelievably fat for someone so famous. Can he not just hire a nutritionist or a personal trainer or something? Does he want to die?

>>8379985
White hair isn't dominant.
Hence the inbreeding

I liked Ivanhoe a lot, are there any other Scott novels I might like?

What I liked about Ivanhoe are the setting (knights) and the characters, especially Bois-Gilbert. His character felt very human.
>>8380025
>>8380034
I thought they inbreed just to maintain the purity of the line not because of the colour of the hair.
So obviously Jon and Daenerys will ally and marry and continue the Targaryen dinasty, right?
>>8380031
Go ask fat people, they actually believe they don't care and will not have heart failures, except when it obviosuly happens they act surprised and cry because they don't want to die.
No simpathy whatsoever.

>>8374732
>>8374785
>away for the weekend
>come back
>dinosaur compressed as much of his hydrocarbons as humanely possible and made a list
>bunch of fuel for my gas tank is listed
>when will he ever learn
It's even the original fossil himself

>>8380058
I can't say anything about other Scott, but T.H. White's Ill-made Knight has about as much high-octane chivalry as a modernist novel can hold. William Morris does the setting quite well, the characters just this side of passably. You might also like Poul Anderson's The Broken Sword, although it has a lot of fantastic elements.

>>8380058
>I thought they inbreed just to maintain the purity of the line not because of the colour of the hair.
Their appearance is distinctly Valyrian, preserving that is part of preserving their bloodline. Also their literal blood was probably a factor in whatever magic was controlling the dragons (hence their house words: Fire and Blood).
>So obviously Jon and Daenerys will ally and marry and continue the Targaryen dinasty, right?
Don't bet on it. I mean, if this were anybody else maybe, but GRRM won't have it. It's too much of a perfect ending.

>>8375280
But he is.

>>8380186
Well it's not like they can have a son.

Even if Daenerys were to unite the Seven kingdoms who the fuck will succeed her?
It will inevitably be war again.

>>8380186
A nice GRRM ending would be for one PoV (probably Bran) to figure out that Jon and Dany can unite to save the kingdom, but they will be tragically unaware of it and kill each other, while some magical creatures or other will invade Westeros as it starves to death.

What metals do you think Vin burns while fucking?

I'm considering buying and reading Dune, should I do it?

Just go to a library and read the first chapter, if you're liking it then buy it

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>>8380563
Everyone, contain yourselves.

>>8380271
>have decades-long winters
>do not have enough food storage sieges are meaningless
They deserve it.

>>8380545
On the balance, yes. Some people are frankly illiterate idiots and can't enjoy it, but you're better than that, surely.

Don't listen to this guy though:
>>8380549
>Just go to a library and read the first chapter
Bad advice. I picked up and put down Dune a couple times before I could really get into it. I would say just power through the first third of the book, and by then at least one of the plotlines should have you fascinated.

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Anyone else read this absolute pile of dogshit that calls itself a book?

Jesus tapdancing Christ it's the worst thing I've ever read.

>>8380573
I'm pretty sure that's what the entire series has been about. I "marathoned" (if that word can apply here) the five extant books a few summers ago and nothing stood out to me more than the constant destruction of food, fields, and infrastructure. Everyone north of Highgarden is going to starve while princes have nothing to buy with their gold. Probably the winter will be especially bad and even the arrogant southern realms will starve as the likes of Dorne don't bother to store food for the winter.

Of course maybe so many people will be dead by due to war at that point that it won't matter anyway. People, especially the show-watchers, tend to focus on the named characters, but the story at a population level is even more unbelievably bleak.

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>>8375979
A pretty decent timesink but be prepared to want to stab out your eyes every time he writes a Shallan PoV

You can definitely see the Jordan influence

>>8378620
The thing about the Locke Lamora Series as a whole is that it doesn't really have any point to it.
Each book is just Locke and Jean showing up to a city, fucking it up in some way and moving on. Maybe that will change as the series progresses, but it feels like a monster-of-the-week show.
The stories are pretty good in the moment, but they always feel kind of "eh" at the end, there's never really any payoff to their schemes in a narrative or thematic sense.

>>8380573
I recall Riverrun being well stocked for a siege (enough for a couple years I think) but that isn't going to be enough for the winter that's coming. The River Lands are barren, farms burned from the Neck to the Blackwater Rush. Highgarden has been shipping surplus grain to King's Landing just to keep them from starving in late summer and fall, but a couple years into winter they won't have anything to spare them.

Even accounting for the climate differences there's no way the bread basket of Westeros, the Reach, can sustain the rest of the Seven Kingdoms through 5+ years of winter with nearly a third of the continent already on the brink of starvation before the snows even hit the River Lands.

>>8380644
Yeah but at least if he went to the library he wouldn't regret buying it, considering by your experience you still put it down regardless of whether you bought it or not

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>>8379208

>>8380658
>tfw Winds of Winter isn't a metaphor for Jon Snow taking power, it's about winterpocalypse killing everything
>tfw GRRM is putting off writing it because it's too grim even for him

>>8380675
I put it down and then was glad to still have the book when I was ready to pick it up again. After that it became one of my favorites and I read the rest of the books Frank wrote.

Library books kind of freak my out (can you imagine how many people have masturbated while reading them?), and I tend to prefer just reading ebooks these days anyway (easier to manage, pick up and put down on a dime, etc.), so I say everyone should just go with whatever makes them most comfortable while reading.

>>8375979
>>8380661

"Unfortunately, she raised an eyebrow/cocked her head."

I'm a little over halfway through it and I'm enjoying it quite a bit, and the prose isnt nearly as bad as /lit/ likes to make it seem to be. Just too many uses of "unfortunately"

>>8379295
>>8379363

You don't even know the half of it, I personally witnessed a swedish model in England THROW herself at him, I've never seen an author get the rock star treatment before

>>8379295
>no homo

Anon, I have bad news....

>>8374796
Castle of the otter is a book about writing Book of the New Sun. Its worth reading if you're a fan, but its not really part of the series.

>>8378510
>although the human relationships are so stilted they might as well be aliens themselves.
I think it was stylistically designed to be that way.

>>8380705
>raised an eyebrow
I've read 4 books by him now and this pisses me off so much every time I see it.

Dune is fucking garbage

>>8380813
>raised an eyebrow
to cause disapproval or worry

>>8380813
*Taps cheek*

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>>8380836

>>8380673
Winter is going magically break when the white ones are defeated

>>8380533
Steel and iron would help achieve a lot of interesting positions

can anyone recommend sf similar to battlestar galactica?

>>8380533
Cadmium to fuck in public without anyone noticing

>>8380888
If it were that easy, why didn't the First Men just kill 'em with fire/obsidian instead of building a giant wall to keep them out? The humans are in possibly their weakest position yet of the last ten thousand years. Why would now be the time for some kind of massive victory over winter itself? Inb4 wishful thinking about Jesus Snow coming down to save everyone. That's not what messiahs even do.

Trust me, GRRM is working up to writing what amounts to genocide.

>>8380919
Dragon fire mang. But at least one will be killed and raised as a zombie dragon

Not to say there still won't be a catastrophic loss of life

>>8380934
>Dragon fire
Not exactly a panacea. What do you think happened to old Valyria in the first place? Whatever it was, it should show that fire can be just as dreadful as the icy creep of winter's sinister agents.

>>8380533
Vin is in the cosmere with space raptor jesus... she ain't burning shit.

>>8380954
Valeria was probably just volcanos and faceless men.

Don't read too much into it. There's a reason obsidian is called dragon glass and valerian steel is "dragon forged "

>>8380964
>just volcanos
Then why is it still fucked up and "cursed" in present day? And why wasn't the rest of the known world inundated by a fuckhuge ash cloud immediately following the Doom?

>>8380967
Because it still has active volcanos.

And who knows that volcanoes work the same way, if the seasons don't.

>>8380970
Well, OK, sure, but don't try to tell me some kind of fucked up magic didn't have something to do with it.

Lava can't melt Valyrian steel beams!

>>8380974
Oh, not at all. There's probably some crazy faceless man Mumbo jumbo happening in the shadows to coincide with the volcanos

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>>8380956
>space raptor

>>8380978
>>8380974
>>8380970
>>8380967
>>8380964
>>8380954

See now stuff like this actually sounds interesting unlike "oooooh what politics are those rascally Lannisters going to get up to next?!"

And on that note, does anybody have suggestions for something that's sort of post-nuclear fantasy, or like Arx Fatalis in setting?

>>8380980
Tingle don't you fucking dare

>>8381287

It is too late, it was always too late.

>>8381085
Rascally Lannister politics gets you on HBO, though.

Post-apocalyptic fantasy used to be huge. Moorcock did it, Terry Brooks did it though I am not recommending him if you are not a teenager, Weis and Hickman did it but it was more of a background thing. Not familiar with Arx Fatalis.

>>8380919
>The humans are in possibly their weakest position yet of the last ten thousand years
>hurr durr what are dragons?

>>8381085
Fred Saberhagen's Empire of the East

Elephant

>>8374785
wew

>>8378818
I hope it's true. So tired of Marxism

I wanted to read the Martian Chronicles but I heard some version are censored. Which one do I get?

>>8380533
I'd think burning tin would be an interesting idea, to heighten your senses, to amplify every sensation.

>>8380980
>BURNED IN THE BUTT, BY COSMIC SPACE RAPTOR, LOOKING FOR METAL HARD CORES

New thread where?

>>8381945
Wherever you make it

>>8381951
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>>8381951
New Thread

>>8381456
The Targaryens had dragons up to about 150 years ago. Dragons haven't been extinct for that long.