This book made me feel like a slut

Same.

>>8372619
>>8372650
Roasties btfo

>>8372619
but why

Because you are a slut

>>8372619
Feels like someone knows I'm just a shitty shit

>>8372656
Have you read it? The underground man slut shames for half the book

>>8372701
I read it a long time ago
I should re-read it...

>>8372701
I read it recently and it was pretty amusing. The book is like 150 years old, yet at times I felt like I was reading an /r9k/ post written yesterday.
The underground man would be right at home on 4chan if he were alive today.

>>8372619
>made me feel like a slut
It was time something did.

It was my favourite book when I was 14, I felt like I could relate in some ways.

>>8373557
>I felt like I was reading an /r9k/ post written yesterday.
you didn't understand shit
you may wan to read something easier, try hunger games instead

>>8374214
>comma splice
>wan
You didn't understand shit. Try Harry Potter instead.

>>8373557
I'm gonna blow your mind here kiddo... Underground Man? He was no other but the author himself.

>>8372619
what makes you think you aren't?

>>8374223
It was actually Bruce Willis the entire time

>>8372701
>slut shames for half the book
Sluts should feel shame
Everyone is too shameless

>>8374419
Virgins: even more shame.

Made me feel like killing myself because the underground man is literally better than me in every aspect of life and he's supposed to be a loser.

>>8374419
If anything I think just a little percentage of people is shameless, there's a great deal of people in need of being less shameful.

>>8372619
P&V?

Not for me!

>>8374236
Well I know the book is old, and that Dostoevsky was religious but those ideas of sexual purity are so antiquated.

>>8374581
lol hiya Reddit XD

>>8374461
Which people in particular need to be more shameless?

It made me become very self-conscious of the way I walk past people and whether or not I defer to them.

>>8374671
Do you shoulder the people that don't defer to you?

>>8374721
no, I rape their grandmothers

>>8374721
I haven't gone that far, but I have made a few people defer to me and I feel bad when I have to defer.

>>8373557
>I read it recently and it was pretty amusing. The book is like 150 years old, yet at times I felt like I was reading an /r9k/ post written yesterday.
I believe there is a certain type of person who is "ur-r9k", that they have existed forever and that r9k is just the latest incarnation of this type of person.

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>>8374419

Most people aren't shameless.

In fact, most people are crippled by their shame, seeking any and all avenues to forget it. Alcohol, ideologically uniform company, etc - until at last, they have constructed bubbles for themselves in which they can never be judged, and to which they can retreat if ever they are judged by those beyond it.

Most of the roasties and chads you see, are in fact living lives wherein they are constantly fleeing shame and judgement.

A truly shameless person is rare.

>Which is a shame

Women are sluts, It's classic dosto tellin' it like it is keepin it real for the dudes who know whaddup

>>8374923
>Most of the roasties and chads you see, are in fact living lives wherein they are constantly fleeing shame and judgement.

Ok, then I will adjust my statement. People should act on their shame to become more shameless. Shame should help move you towards a more virtuous life. If you feel shame but do nothing to alleviate that shame (not just hiding from it) it's your own fault.

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>>8374923
please stop posting frogs man, I hate seeing frogposters, especially ones who make good points.

>>8374581
they aren't antiquated for civilized people

Which Dostoevsky do I do first

>>8375090
C&P

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>>8374923
I disagree.
Shame can only exist when actions are being judged by a community or people whose opinion is respected by society.
Sexual "freedom" is not a matter of negative judgment for most people whose opinion are taken seriously, it is instead encouraged, because we live in the XXI century and we are no longer held by archaic ideals of purity. But this can be misleading, because morality is not uniform throughout society, and there are some gaps between people's moral that is established both by culture and social class; people find themselves in social classes that approve such behaviour, therefore it is good, and there is no shame to feel, but being happy and even proud.
Being in a different place can lead to being judgmental towards others that do not think under the same principles. This reminds us of the kings that upon arriving to the city of Utopia they were judged by the citizens because of their ways.
It is hard to say who is in the right, because the most likely situation is that both are wrong in several aspects. (1) Moral Progress is an idea quite hard to hold, and claiming that the underground man considerations are wrong because this is the XXI century and now we are "morally advanced" makes nearly no sense - progress is always a mess, and we need to learn from history to discover what we are doing wrong in the present; (2) The very idea of being judgmental towards someone who calls someone else a slut fail by means of the very same principle: both are telling the other what they should think, and both should realize that both mindsets can coexist, this is, people have as much right to do whatever they want with their body (which is in fact a set of moral principles involving sexual behaviour) as another can feel disgusted by it and not being willing to relate to that person; (3) Sexual repression and sexual liberty seems to faces of the same coin, or a thesis-antithesis duple, still waiting for a Hegelian synthesis to occur.

There is another thing that is interesting: people relying on the r9k meme to refer to the underground man. This is something that happens often, this is, associating a particular mindset or moral principles with a social group that we believe we can dismiss (or laugh at, or not take seriously, etc) so we can also dismiss some of the principles that belong to the group. There is certainly a relation between morality and subculture, but it is a twisted thing to do to reject a moral principle because it belongs to a subculture which we don't want to feel associated. I think this is happening here when people talk of the underground man as the "/r9k/ man", and to take it further, we see it happening when people talk about religion (the fedora meme) or even general philosophy.

>>8374423
Only for a man.
A virgin wife is always better than a rostie.

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>>8375171
>le words

>>8375196
this board is for people over 18 y/o

>>8374581
>>8375087
They aren't antiquated for people who aren't sluts.

>>8375227
agreed m8

>>8375090
>do I do first
Spoken like a true slut.

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>>8375193
>being a virginal man
>shameful

>>8375087
>>8375241
Are you implying that if you were a woman who could sleep with top-tier men all the time you woudln't do it? You'd save yourself for some intellectual beta over a night with Chad? Get real.

Imagine for a moment women constantly hit on you and propositioned you.. You would be a massive slut.

>>8375421
>Imagine for a moment women constantly hit on you and propositioned you.. You would be a massive slut.
Men and women are different.
It's ok for a man. It's not ok for a woman.

>>8372619
you wouldn't feel like a slut if you weren't a slut
the book doesn't make you a slut. it's just a reminder.

>>8375545
>Double standards are OK

>>8375545
It's fine unless you're so insecure that you can't handle the fact that your wife has been with other dudes in the past. What's the point of living if you have that little confidence in yourself?

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>>8375666

>Hypocrisy is wrong

>>8375666
Of course they are.

>>8375673
>the fact that your wife has been with other dudes in the past.
The fact by itself doesn't bother me. I just prefer a new car than one that has been used by many guys before. Superior quality.

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/love/

>>8374581
their age doesn't have anything to do with their volidity

>>8375171
>Shame can only exist when actions are being judged by a community
false by the premise.

someone can feel shame completelly isolated. all you need to do is set a basis for morality, and that doesn't require people.
a book could just as easily shame someone.

i didn't read the rest because frankly, i got better things to read.

do you know why new cars lose 30% of their value from the moment you sit in them?

i'm not saying people who sleep around are worthless. but very few cars are worth something comparable to their first sale price after used. And they're usually sports models.

>>8375545
>it's ok for a man.

imagine trying to build a relashionship with a man, and he tells you he's had 70 plus diferent partners. Wouldn't you be, at least, a little worried?
i mean, even from a medical stand point...

>>8375421
>Are you implying that if you were a woman who could sleep with top-tier men all the time you woudln't do it?
Depends on the women. i cannot put myself in the shoes of women.

>Imagine for a moment women constantly hit on you and propositioned you.
no i wouldn't. don't project. not everyone has a need to fuck as many diferent people as possible.

>>8374423
This. Cenobites are the lowest form of human, prostituted the purest. It pleases me to see modern society agree.

>>8375421
>You'd save yourself for an emotionally fulfilling and stable family life over a night with a man who will never want to see you again ?
I don't know, that sounds like a really difficult decision.

>>8375829
>someone can feel shame completelly isolated. all you need to do is set a basis for morality, and that doesn't require people.
A complete isolated person wouldn't have moral values, unless prior contact with society. Society sets the moral principles, and a person who grows with certain moral principles does so because they belong to the culture in which he or she live in.
Any activities in which a person could feel shame involves another person, even if that person is only an imagination, and the latter is embedded with the moral principles of the culture to which it belongs.
You cannot set a basis for morality without people.
Therefore, you are very much wrong.

>>8375859
purity from which stand point?

moral?
while being virgin probably doesn't originate from morality, prostitution certainly comes from a lack of either morality or character strengh, immorality is never pure

>physical
from STD's, sheer usage and drugs prostitutes are less pure here too.

>contribution to society
i think i don't need to say anything in this.

i'm not saying it's good being a virgin, but it's a lot better than being a prostitute.

everything in moderation

>>8375848
I bang 70+ hookers a year and I'm in fucking perfect conditions.

>>8375875
i'd get checked...

also, probably fucked up in the head. but then again, who isn't

>>8375866
>emotionally fulfilling
>beta cucks
Lmoa

>>8375871
I was being sarcastic. Anyone who thinks there's a correlation between a person's sexuality and overall merit is a disgusting being, but those who remain loyal to monogamous partners are pursuing a happier lifestyle.

>>8375883
>being this bad at making inferences

>>8375875
desu that would be a major red flag to anyone actually trying to date you.

>>8375888
>disgusting
On reflection, I don't like how harsh and biased this is. Replace "disgusting" with "misguided".

>>8375891
>beta cucks
>emotionally fulfilling
Lmoaoa

>>8375875
Hello, Sebastian.

>>8375888
np, and i agree.
sarcasm can be hard to detect on 4chan.

>>8375894
I never told anyone.
And they shouldn't care either. My sexual past is my problem alone.

>>8375908
>My sexually transmitted diseases and infections are my problem alone.

>>8375917
You can get tested for that you know, and probably for free

>>8375908
so, if your gf had had 70 plus partners a year, you wouldn' care?

>>8375917
I have no diseases m8

>>8375937
But do you ?

>>8375943
no why would I as long as shes clean?

>>8375943
He has sex with prostitutes, anon. He obviously doesn't care.

>>8375937
"Finding out after the fact, that I've ruined them with STDs, because I'm a psychopath who doesn't feel the need to warn people that fucking me will give them incurable diseases, is free, therefor it's not on me"

>>8375943
I would if I find out.
They may care too, but I never tell women about my hooker addiction:=)

>>8375956
because it means there's something wrong with her mentally.

it is not normal, nor sane, to have that amount of sex with diferent people, on that ammount of time. it's mentally unhealthy

>>8375963
lying sounds like an healthy foundation to a relashionship. i'm sure you'll do fine.

>>8375968
Wake up dude
It's 2016
Fun & Sex is all that matters
And hookers have the experience to do stuff random women don't do

>>8375976
It's not lying. It's omitting the truth.

>>8375962
"Awkwardly breaking up my sentences, with commas, because I'm a language arsonist who intentionally assaults the reader, is free, therefor it's not on me"

>>8375978
>fun and sex is all that matters.

are you gonna kill yourself at 40?
also, there are so many things wrong with the "fun is all that matters" philosophy, that i can't even begin to shoot it down.

if you trully thing fun is all that matters, you're on the wrong board.
>>8375981
>It's not lying. It's omitting the truth.

lies by omission are still lies. she might ask, you know? most women do.

>>8375421
the world is full of Chads. Proof is, you can't even remember his name.

>>8375888
>happier lifestyle
t. Never had a live in girlfriend

>>8375996
>>8375968
Spooked

>>8375968
>mentally unhealthy
Kek

>>8376028
If you equate a live in girlfriend with an unhappy lifestyle you need to seriously rethink the kind of relationships you've been pursuing.

>>8376056
There's literally no way to have a live with anyone else without conflict, which is stressful. Living by myself, and having no one to answer to while still fulfilling myself with casual sexual relationships? No stress. Melding finances is stressful. Everything's about cohabitation is stressful even discounting whatever relationship issues would inevitably happen. Someone who's lived with a significant other would know that.

>>8375421
>Imagine for a moment women constantly hit on you and propositioned you.. You would be a massive slut.
Yes. That doesn't mean I will stop slut-shaming.
I'm pretty chad tbfh, and most of us enjoy slut-shaming women, specially in public. It's a reminder of who is in control in society. Slut-shaming a woman will bring you more women, as long as you do it in public and not hiding in some lame-ass website like this (plus it's only fun if you do it in public).

>>8375090
The Double was what I started with. Nabokov apparently said it was Fee Deezy's best

>>8375171

GREAT POST

>>8376751
yeah he was a talented moron though

>>8372619
it's okay anon, the movie nymphomaniac ruined my marriage

>>8375421
I would look down on someone who was promiscuous just as I would look down on an alcoholic, or someone with an eating disorder. It's a vice.

>>8376078
so basically while there have been people who could make their relationship work their entire lives, because you can't hack it, it's impossible? You're a dumbass

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>>8375875
Make that 1,003 and I'll get back to you

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>>8374419
there are two kinds of women
-the woman who loves sex and money
-the woman who loves money and sex


which one do you prefer
-the whore who loves to show she is a whore but hates to be called a whore
-the whore who tries to hide that she is a whore and hate to be called a whore

>>8372619
good cuz u r

>>8377681

I'd rather the girl instilled with morals and some sense of virtues that when i come to know her has some modicum of intelligence and goodness and hasn't whored herself out TOO much to the point where it's affected her mental state and her way of living.

>>8377681
Islamic men are filled with such weird perversions. They choose to criticize women for their whoredoms but then daydream about sleeping with an assembly of virgins in the afterlife. Such a hypocritical line of thinking.

>>8374923
>Most of the roasties and chads you see, are in fact living lives wherein they are constantly fleeing shame and judgement.
yeah, but they only do this to enjoy more their degeneracy during the time where they think it is okay to stop being shameful

>>8377681
wow, those are a but load of generalizations and assumptions.

have any more of those?

>>8377681
the bottom picture is just so sad.

>>8375171
>This is something that happens often, this is, associating a particular mindset or moral principles with a social group that we believe we can dismiss (or laugh at, or not take seriously, etc) so we can also dismiss some of the principles that belong to the group. There is certainly a relation between morality and subculture
no you idiot. morality is just an attempt by hedonists to believe that they are not animals

>>8375673
>It's fine unless you're so insecure that you can't handle the fact that your wife has been with other dudes in the past. What's the point of living if you have that little confidence in yourself?
Yes, for a beta, nothing beats a deluted roastie

>>8377591
>1,003
why that number?

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>>8377681
pls post more my islamposting folder needs more material

>>8373557
The Underground man is a reaction against the clear-cut enlightenment image of what a man should be prominent in the 1800s. Western society has recreated the social environment that led to the underground man, with reasonable enlightened progressives/libertarians with their crystal palaces on one side and chaos on the other.

The Underground man would feel at home today because the world has returned to the way it was when he was created.

>>8375171
But people like the underground man constantly seek to be top dog and criticize others by raising or lowering some arbitrary bar of where one should feel shame; he is essentially his own critic, passing on the ideals of his society onto himself so he can judge others against the same standard.

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>>8375705
>risking choosing a wife who colud be frigid rather than a woman who has already proven her sexual appetite

>>8378035
If she's frigid just get a divorce and pick a new wife.
Get a prenup before and you're done.

Also more weddings = more gifts
And the father of the bride should paid the wedding so there's nothing to lose here.

>>8378138
Quite the utilitarian here

>>8378138
That attitude is as bad as being a slut

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>>8379950
Maybe it is as good as being a slut.

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>>8375707
The most valuable post in the thread goes unseen.

>>8374581
>something is incorrect because it had currency a long time ago
>le sex positivism is the only way xD
Definitely Reddit here

>>8379950
this stems only from fear of loneliness

>>8379980
Why does he look way older than 30?

>>8380869
Because it's a divine impression on fabric and not a photograph. Fine details aren't there.

>>8375171
>>8374923
>>8377985
only good posts

>>8375866
One night with a great man is superior to many nights with something mediocre.

By the way did he bang the prostitute or not?

>>8381856
He banged her the first time he saw her in the brothel

>>8375421
That might be fun for a while, but humans don't operate like that. We either form attachments to one or two people or there is something wrong with us. That attachment usually is in the form of a sexual relationship

Polyamory or whatever is a great ideal, but people are too fucked up to make it work. Most people are, anyway. All of the people I can think of who would be ideal for that kind of life, who have dozens of sexual partners a year, are also uneducated

If I had my choice of sexual partners I would probably eventually settle on two, and eventually one, for convenience and simplicity's sake. Even polygamists only have enough time to focus on one wife at a time

>>8374214
fun fact: you are the one too stupid to understand the profundity contained in every /r9k/ post/masterpiece

>>8375673
>>>8375545 #
>It's fine unless you're so insecure that you can't handle the fact that your wife has been with other dudes in the past. What's the point of living if you have that little confidence in yourself?
It's like finding out someone used to be a fedora tipper, or used to vape, or used to argue on 4chan with other 4channers

It's a turn off

>>8381214
Fulfilling one's purpose in life is mediocre ?

>>8375421
you mean men frequent /lit/? lmao, it's the medium for women, please leave.

>>8381965
This is reasonable.