Is this chart accurate for literature?

>>8315743
Reductive and dumb

>>8315743
there are no villains in literature idiot

>>8315743
It's retarded even for vidya, movies, tv, and other shit. Even thinking in terms of heroes and villains in literature tends to be a one way ticket to plebtown.

>>8315764
/thread

>>8315743
I don't know of a villain in literature desu, aside Satan.

>>8315764
>'vidya'

Kill yourself

>>8315743
your chart is a ghost

According to this chart the judge is shit. I think this is all that needs to be said.

>>8315995
well the chart is shit but so is yecarthy

Where does Iago fall?

>>8316018
He's the protagonist of his story.

>>8315743
>Dragon age: Origins in Shit Tier

Loghain is the true villian of that story and he is at least High Tier.

>>8315743
>Bren on Great tier

He doesn't have good intentions. He is just manipulative

Who is that on elder god tier?

>>8316122
Ozymandias from Watchmen.

Good read.

>>8315764
this guy's got it

>>8315743
That chart isn't accurate for anything but the argument between two 12 year-old comic nerds that prompted its creation.

>>8315743

Contrary to other opinions, I think it is pretty on-point in instances where it is relevant. Unlike >>8315764 I think that in many cases it is inevitable. I think that the best pieces of literature do avoid the dichotomy of hero and villain (for example, 1984 where the "villain" is the entire state and none of the malevolent individuals in the state are really at fault because they are forced to comply as well).

However in many cases that chart is accurate. For example, Paradise Lost portrays Satan as a much more sympathetic character. In fact, his war against heaven is -in essence- a war for the same values that we hold dear in the western world: freedom from authority.

I think the guide mostly applies to generic fiction, however. Most pieces of literature are an "us against the world" or "us against nature" scenario. In other words, take it for what it is.

>villain isn't a mix of all the tiers

>>8315998
Doesn't change the fact that the judge is a great character.

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>>8315743
>write a shit tier villain and a mary sue hero
>switch them around
>elder god tier narrative

>>8315743
No. Evil for evil's sake is often GOAT

GOAT tier villains are antagonists thay see themselves as the hero.

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>>8315793
language evolves

>>8316542
genius

>>8316542
Donald Trump is going to make America great again.

>>8315759

I'm pretty sure shakespeare uses the word villain thereby disproving your thesis.

>>8316723
A perfect example of a mid tier villain.

That's the dumbest thing iv'e seen. Comic books in general, I mean.

>>8316795
He's Ozymandias tier.

>>8315793
you are posting on the website that brought about the usage of that term

>>8315743

There no heroes and villains, just protagonists and antagonists

>>8317626
this

>>8316743
>shakespeare
>literature

LMAO PLEB

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test

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>>8318195
>>8317639
>no elliot in elder god tier

>>8318195
>joey
>villain

woowee detected

ranking charts are for plebs.

>>8318209
he's actually high tier

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>>8318532
Actually he wasn't even a villain if you really think about it

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Had to post This before changing my brain

>>8318678
is this an incredibly rare DFW

>>8316672
Millennials, everyone.

>>8315743
This chart is shit across the board, because inherent in it is the assumption that the more understandable or "realistic" an antagonist's intent is, the better or more interesting they are as a character. Nine times out of ten, the guy who's just doing what he's doing because he wants more power or because he's fucked in the head is a lot more interesting than some fucko who's doing what he's doing to 'make the world a better place' or because it's understandable in their situation. And if you're gonna talk realism, that kind of power-lust is a lot more common, especially among people who are in positions of power. I know, it's weird.

>>8317639
Filthy gnostics stay out of my /lit/

>>8317639
why does he wear the mask

from what I gather lit doesn't believe in vilians in lit, but if you had to choose one villain from any medium that was lit-tier who would it be? at gun point if it makes you faggots happy. So hard to get you contrarians to join in the fun

>>8318886
Caesar from New Vegas.

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>>8318886
Elliot Rodger (pbuh)

So Othello is shit tier? Iago is pretty high up in my best villains list.

>>8316018
High tier, he's responding to Othello snubbing him for a promotion and cucking him

>>8316723
We'll see how that goes once he's crashed the economy with his abortion of a tax plan.
There'll be no survivors

>>8319028
True, he's basically utilitarianism incarnate.
I'd probably choose him or Ulysses, maybe Lanius for his sexy sexy threats.

>>8319145
Ulysses isn't a villain though, but he is still interesting.

New Vegas is most /lit/ game fa m.

>>8319039
if u read I said medium what medium is eliot rodger from asshole?

>>8319221
real life

>>8315743
bah,

Novel with villains = pulp
Novel without villains = literature

>>8319231
I like this guy. Very well constructed prose. Mwah *airkiss*

>>8319236
Dumb charts demand dumb answers. I mean, it's pointless arguing with idiots that don't know the difference between villains and antagonists.

>>8319253
>I mean, it's pointless arguing with idiots that don't know the difference between villains and antagonists.

Are there actually people who have that mindset?

I mean, as an adult. That kind of thing is taught during high school.