/sffg/ - SciFi and Fantasy General

Is Urth of the New Sun worth 16 bucks? I know it serves more to answer questions left by the original story, but the reviews in amazon make me doubt a bit, even if i shouldn't trust them much.

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>>7952258
First for shilling list

>>7952283
>no Anita Blake the Vampire Slayer
First one is a classic.

Later ones not so much

>>7952283
please remove that shadow ops shit and the gay urban fantasy section.. I can't believe anyone would read that garbage, especially here

>>7952258
No Lord of The Rings in the Flowchart?

>>7952290
Who hasn't heard of Lotr?

>>7952290
I don't think it's a flowchart that covers everything, hence the lack of Asimov, Wolfe, and other renowned authors.

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>>7952258
has /sffg/ read this series? is it worth it?

my father gave the first book to me when i was ~7 or so, and all i remember is that a leper rapes a princess, and life is sad.

>>7952310
If it says something like "comparable to Tolkien at his best" you know it's bad for sure.

>>7952310
Never finished. Dreary as fuck and not the good kind.

>>7952310
>comparable to Tolkien at his best

Hehhehehe

>>7952283
Why do you keep posting this? You made a meme sections, two literal trash sections and then dumped everything else you like into "random". It's a piece of trash.

>>7952324
>Not Goodkind
That's a bad thing?

>>7952288
>only read botns and books that i suggest such as peake, etc etc
*tips*

can someone make a chart for something like "/lit/'s guide to obscure sci fi and fantasy"??

>>7952310
Book is shit and if you like it i will cuck your father infront of you and have him raise his wife's son.

>>7952406
inb4 just a wank list of meta-fiction and meta-meta-fiction

>>7952406
Obscure shit is obscure for a reason, it sucks. Don't try to be a special snowflake

>>7952406
Make it yourself.

I did lit a favour and made this >>7952283 and they shit on me for making it.

They are too lazy to make shit, but when you invest 3+ hours into a work, they call it shit and make their own.

>>7952416
I saved it, anon. I thought it was helpful.

>>7952416
More like you refuse to accept criticism like a stubborn child. The other section and the incest rape one is mostly fine and reflects popular trends, but the middle section is so fucking retarded I can't even tell if it was meant as a joke or if someone here unironically has read them and thought those were good.

>>7952413
it could be obscure for several reasons, you idiot. maybe it wasn't well-marketed, maybe it was a sub-genre that wasn't popular at the time, maybe it did enjoy its 15 minutes of fame in like the 80s but was forgotten afterwards. interesting to note that the only people who throw around the term "special snowflake" are actually the exact type of person for which the term was coined in the first place. in summary: suck my cock and go read the name of the wind while drowning in a tub of your own feces. thanks.

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>>7952376
Also it may be a meme section, but there are people on here that like rape and incest in their books. I know this is hard to believe, but people actually like things that you don't.

Absurd right? I mean, how can these other people even have the nerve to dislike what you like, and like what you dislike.

>>7952431
Not that dude, but do you have any other recs for gayhomo fantasy?

>>7952435
Your life story m8

>>7952271
Pls respond.

>>7952423
Name of the Wind is ironically better than any of those meme obscure books. Nice try, loser.

>>7952441
I wish m8
>you will never be a young rogue in search of adventure who goes on a quest with a handsome older wizard man who teaches you everything you know

>>7952450
epic response, friend. are you participating in the latest goodreads fantasy giveaway competition?

>>7952271
Yes, but you could find it cheaper or just torrent it somewhere.

>>7952421
>I can't even tell if it was meant as a joke or if someone here unironically has read them and thought those were good.

Everything on that list I read, and it's only the best i suggested (there are far worst) those are the best in their genres.

I made it because a few times(i was here from the beginning and read every thread in it's entirety, unlike you) people asked for female urban fantasy, or male urban fantasy.

I had about 20 of those most asked about things to put in that image, i was going to give each it's own section, then my autism ran out.

It the same reason you and many others didn't make a chart, it's too tiring.

So after I made the first 3 sections, I just dumped the most relevant in random, it has swords to modern military fic.

>>7952406
Not but we can post some obscure suggestions if you like?

>>7952435
The Steel Remains

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>>7952461
I don't think anyone here has EVER asked for something that looks like this dude. And definitely not repeatedly.

>>7952463
That would be neat, thanks

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>>7952431
>i take the rape gay and incest meme very seriously

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>>7952409
my father's dead, so if he raises himself, it'll be a miracle

>>7952307
It's generally a pretty awful flowchart, useful to only plebs who consider Sanderson and the like great writers.
>>7952452
Nice
>>7952416
That's because, frankly, it's offensively bad.

>>7952435
Not into faggot shit, but I've heard steel remains is full of it(the main reason I haven't touched it even though I was suggested it since 2011), you can try that.

All the other books just has minor gay shit that is quickly forgotten before you even finish the book.

anyone ever read any clive barker? where would you recommend i start with him? is he a good writer? ive found his character descriptions that ive come across pretty striking

>>7952490
Hellhound Heart is nice.
Hellraiser baby
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1M4FG1UXH5w

>>7952470
It's bretty good.

Futuristic bounty hunter gets bonded with a demon and has her wet walls invaded by hellspawn.

>>7952501
You can't write this with a straight face.

>>7952496
>>7952490
Books of Blood are very good horror short stories

>>7952459
So it's not worth having physical? Oh well.

>>7952472
Nick Harkaway - The Gone-Away World
Hal Duncan - The Book of All Hours
Daniel Fox - Books of Stone & Water
The Innkeeper's Song - Peter S. Beagle
The Anvil of the World - Kage Baker
Memoirs of a Master Forget - William Heaney
Thunderer - Felix Gilman
The Voice of the Fire - Alan Moore

>>7952504
but its by lilith saintcrow

I just read Book of the New Sun and have, since I can't quite put everything clearly in perspective, been wondering if Wolfe had been criticized for inconsistencies in his time travel plotlines. Those things never give me a completely clear picture of comings and goings.

>>7952526
Unreliable narrator

>>7952519
Awesome. I'm ridiculously grateful for this, thank you very much.

>>7952536
Even with unreliable narrator, I'd guess that his time travel explanation would preferably be watertight. I was thinking about reading Solar Labyrinth by Borski.

>>7952526
Severian died a few times so it makes sense, as there are multiple realities and they switch up a bit in Urth.

>>7952526
Severian is an unreliable narrator

>>7952540
No probs, I hope you find at least some of them enjoyable.

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looking for something that sends the protagonist either back in time or too some kind of fantasy world or alternate reality and focuses at least partially on the process of their adjustment. can anyone help me in this quest? similar to wolfe's wizard knight or a connecticut yankee in king arthur's court

>>7952551
Haven't read them but I think
>>7952310 is about that kinda stuff.

>>7952558
sounds neat, thanks

is The Fif' Season any good?

>>7952602
It's a little SJWy but theres lots of rape, gay and incest, and the world is cool. I'll definitely be reading the sequels to find out why the fuck someone blew up the moon.

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>>7952551
How about an entire island of people? I only have the first book, but I enjoyed it.

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>>7952551
This kinda fits your description. It's easier to read (and perhaps better) than Brooks' Shannara series.

I just read the Einstien Intersection and Babel 17 by Delany and they were fucking based. What should I read next? I've read Dhalgren by him too

>>7952768
Didn't know you posted here Connor

>>7952726
thanks for the nostalgia feel

>>7952790
Fuck, I get spooked so hard when you people do that. Who are you? Pinkyvan? Sebastien? Ahhhhhhh

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So where's contemporary genre fiction from Italy, Spain, France, Slavlands, Germany...

...no one cares to translate or the scene's dead? I only know about really shit writers like Sapkowski getting the spotlight due to video game popularity.

>>7952832
>no one cares to translate
For Germany and Slavlands

> scene's dead
For Italy

>>7952832
I've actually no clue of the contemporary book scene of my country (Germany). Not really sure how I'd go about looking for stuff either, except finding the super popular bestseller shit which doesn't look very good. I think if there was anything truly good it'd get attention, and English language writers are better most of the time so that's where the attention lies.

>>7952841
Well, would you reccommend anything, translated or not?

>>7952790
Well hello there, Matthew.

>>7952726
>>7952698
these look great, thanks a ton

>>7952541
well, I won't stop you, but remember that Borski is kind of a crazy tool who doesn't understand logic, not one bit. As Wolfe called him, "A hook to the head critic."

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>>7952803

>>7953081
Did you read the Long Sun books?

>>7953146
Not Marc but yes. I've also read some Marc.

>>7953155
What? Are these threads becoming completely choked with memetics? I don't visit /lit/ for a month and it seems to be gone completely to shit, what the fuck is this, who gives a fuck about your retarded quips that are less than even that.

this might not be the right thread for this, but is vollmann more talented than gimmicky, or what?

never read him, but i figure he's 'historical fantasy'

These threads have gotten so active recently. It's as if we all suddenly said "Fuck it we don't want to talk about meme books anymore"

>>7953178
It's definitely not fantasy.

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>>7952258
>imgur
go back to /plebbit/

>>7953187
It's been in the OP for months. What else would you even use?

>>7952802
>>7952937
Glad to be of service.

>>7953146
Yes i have read all of Wolfe.

>>7953178
More gimmicky than talented, i'd say.

Whores whores indians proselytizers whores

>>7953219
hm. have you seen malick's "the new world"? i recently watched and am reading a historical analysis of the (anthropological/geological) separation between eurasia and the americas.

wondering if argall would be unnecessary or not.

>>7953274
If your interests lay in that intersection then Argall might interest you, but there is a dryness to vollmann that makes his most bearable work short.

Just finished In Green's Jungles, and jesus, havent felt this stumped by a book since Gravity's Rainbow

What was the point of the dream on Urth? Just for the Duko to die and for Horn to see Urth?

>>7953365
john green?

>>7952310
>>7952310
I ended up liking it overall but I was on the fence about continuing to read after the first book. Most people hate it. Being the protagonist's companion, as a reader, is admittedly a real chore and you need a masochistic streak to enjoy reading about Covenant.

>>7953365
I'll start reading it tomorrow, really hyped. By the end of the year I'll probably read all of Wolfe.

>>7952768
Nova, Stars in My Pocket Like Grains of Sand, Triton, the Neveryon books

And his essay collections are among the best by any SF writer.

>>7953365
When you finish the whole thing watch Aramini's video on it but not before.

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ROTHFUSS IS SHIT
SANDERSON IS ANIME

>>7953426
Excellent, just put a bunch on hold from my library. Anyone have a download on his essays? Or where to find them?

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Are any of these good?

>>7953645
no

>>7953645
Yes, some of them are.

>>7953645
Mick Farren not so bad but been a while.

>>7953645
Le Guin is pretty decent usually, didn't read this one though

Is Shannara worth reading?

>>7953742
No.

>>7953453
Yeah I was planning on it, and then going to comb through the urth mailing list to find more answers/clues

But that chapter with Horn talking about the inhumi and neighbors to Hide was damn confusing. Lost sleep last night trying to figure it out.

>>7953645
The Word for World is Forest is held in high regard but I didn't think it was that great.

Are there any books similar to Battlestar Galactica?

I can't seem to find anything on Google, there don't seem to be any books like BSG at all.

>>7953742
It's watered down Tolkien. Maybe you're fine with that.

>>7953854
'The Expanse' series by James S. A. Corey.

>>7953872
I bought Leviathan Wakes today actually.
I was wondering if there is anything more like BSG though, like the last of humanity being pursued through space.

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Post pulp that is better than Howard and Lovecraft

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So is there magic and fantasy in Titus Groan or not?

>>7953898
The Lost Fleet series by Jack Campbell

>>7953938
Looks good, i'll grab that after I finish The Expanse series.

>>7952258

Is there a recommendation chart for fantasy short stories?

After finishing 2001 and Childhood's End, i can't help but ask... Are most or all of Clarke's works like them? As in, shit related to aliens happens and, by the end of the book, men ascends to a higher place of evolution due to shenanigans ?

Also, the explanation for the Overlords was kinda shitty.

>>7953934
yeah but its mostly just about the daily rituals of castle life for the first half anyways. Super fucking comfy though

Was I the only one who read Skulduggery Pleasant when I was younger? I enjoyed them more than Harry Potter.

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>>7953645
>tfw people saved the wip version I accidently uploaded

>Are any of these good?
Depends on what you mean by good anon. There were only 2 I disliked reading. Do you want a recommendation from one of the categories?

>>7952283
>>7952416
>>7952461
It made me very sad when I realized that you aren't trolling, your taste is actually that terrible, and that you're too autistic to understand that people aren't calling your list shit just to be dicks but because it's unredeemable garbage.

>>7952283
>Theft of Swords
>not in the Gay section

2/10 list, would not save.

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>>7953959

No, not all of his books are like them.

Many are underwhelmed by his books because they've been sold to pop culture as transcendent masterpieces.

Take a deep breath and read Rendezvous with Rama.

And remember. Clarke is subtle.

>>7954206
Neither of them are gay... w/e

>>7953482
>when will it end

Any fantasy novel that recalls Dark Souls?

>>7953645
>>7954041
>lit likes this list
>hates mine
>therefore lit hates new books
>must only read old books

>>7952406
Idk if these are obscure but I rarely if ever see them mentioned
Vurt - Jeff Noon
Carve the Sky - Jablokov
Zoe Wallop - Spencer
Sewer, Gas & Electric - Ruff

>>7952435
Swordspoint by Ellen Kushner

I'm halfway through Dhalgren and I don't understand what it's about.

>>7954041
Yep. There are quite a few on there and I'm not sure which I should bother picking up

>Vennimem
>Guin
>Arkfry

Holy fuck how did these names get past the editors?

>>7956211
The same way shit like Katniss Everdeen and Peeta Mellark got past them, and still got famous.

we dead as fuck

>>7953645
>The Right To Arm Bears

I need this

>>7952271
Just finished it this morning

Fucking pissed it's over and I'll never get more

>>7956375
That autistic shitlist pleb chased everyone trying to shill us non fiction books.

>>7956375
Not enough quality memes

>>7956375
Sorry mate.. I'm reading some physical books that aren't related to Sci-Fi and Fantasy.

ASoIaF is rather underrated here. I know it might not be the best written stuff, but sure is the most rich, very well thought out and all.
I'm personally hyped for the next book and the eventual closure to decade old theories.

>>7957122
I stopped caring after the 3rd. It's better than plenty of stuff that gets posted here by plebs, but I can't say I miss not seeing it mentioned more often.

>>7957122
>underrated
Definitely not. Just no reason to talk about it.

Also the TV series is superior, cuts out the boring sluggish parts so you can focus your reading time on something else for maximum efficiency.

>>7957144
Not really, the books are good for this precision and hints that TV lacks. Besides they completely went on separately, now its really substandard. Especially compared to the books which I'd say are constant in quality. Mabye the fifth one had some weak parts, but hardly regarding the plot detail.

>>7957122
I stopped reading it a decade ago.
A lot of the novels can be made a bit shorter without losing content because he likes to pad with meaningless lists.
Also writing sound effects is unneeded.

>>7957155
Books completely fall apart in the 4th one where editors and lust for money fucked up the narrative he had planned.

>>7957196
I absolutely loved the 4th one.

I read Rendezvous with Rama a few weeks ago and loved it, and I'm ready to take another crack at Clarke.

The City and the Stars vs Against the Fall of Night, both by Arthur C. Clarke. Which should I read next? Or neither?

Any opinions on The Once And Future King? Been in the mood for something like arthruian fantasy, simple and familiar, but something thar's written well.

>>7957223
It's a good read.

>>7957223
The Wizard Knight, if you haven't read it.

>>7956211
what's wrong with them?

>>7956872
>Sanderson writes anime in prose
>Tolkien is /pol/
>Can women write the best scifi/fantasy?

I actually prefer female writing over male.

>>7957347
bait

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>>7957339
Sanderson does write anime in novel form, Tolkien is a small /pol/ demographic and women have written a few good novels in sff.
And indeed, neither is a quality meme.

>>7957249
I'm as big a wolfe fanboy as any croat, but I do mean simple. I'm finishing Short Sun soon and want something not too dense to read next.

>>7957339
>>Tolkien is /pol/
He wasn't, but some of his fans are. The comments sections for any of the battle scenes from the LOTR films is loaded with tl;dr comments calling for Europeans to rise up against the mooslims.

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>>7957339
>>Sanderson writes anime in prose
That's not really all that surprising. Most fantasy anime that doesn't take place in high school is inspired by JRPGs like Dragon Quest, which in turn were inspired by Computer RPGs like Ultima and Wizardry. Those CRPGs were inspired by the original D&D tabletop games, which were inspired by the old Sword & Sorcery stories like Conan The Barbarian.

Now, Robert Jordan got his start writing new Conan stories, and Jordan was one of Brandon Sanderson's primary influences. So it's not that much of fantasy today is anime in prose. It's more that Fantasy fiction from the west has had a pretty big influence on some subgenres of fantasy anime.

See also, pic related.

>>7957448
I don't know why everybody thinks Tolkien was some sort of racist nazi when really he was just an old fashioned Burke style Catholic Conservative.

>>7957502
Everyone older than 30 is a horrible racist, sexist monster to the village idiots running things these days.

No one ever mentions Legend of the Galactic Heroes. I watched the anime up to like episode 30 but sort of forgot about it. Anyone read the original books?

>>7957525
Are the English versions out yet?

>>7957541
Wow I assumed they would have been out for years but the first official one apparently just came out last month.

Serious question: any rape and incest without the gay?

>>7957651
The warded man.
Pops rapes his daughter.... but there is also gay rape

>>7957671
Can't do it

Memes aside, what's the most erotic fantasy out there?

>>7957688
Patrick Rothfuss

Is The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy the only sff work that doesn't take itself seriously or has a lot of humour?

I'd like to read something like that every now and then.

>>7957688
do you mean erotic in the literary sense, or do you just want tawdry titillation

how serious are you, anon

you better be pretty fuckin serious

>>7957706
Some of Lem's are a bit humorous IIRC

>>7957712
I want to need to put the book down because I need to cum type thing

>>7957706
RA Lafferty is a tremendously funny, weird, un-serious writer but he's also actually very good, so.

Vance can be very funny but mostly in a more sardonic way.

>>7957502
Because it's 2016 and being a Burkean Catholic conservative is, in fact, the same thing as being a Nazi who wants to gas the Jews. I bet Tolkien wouldn't even support turning London into a Pakistani colony.

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>>7957706

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Just read this, it was a blast!

Anyone else read it?

>>7957706
>who is Terry Pratchett?

He even has the exact same style as Adams.

>>7957706
Pratchett

>>7957706
Neal Stephenson has his moments.

>>7957721
fanfiction.net

>>7957723

Vance is your best bet for a witty author.

The eyes of the overworld is a great little book to see vance at his funniest.

>>7957846
Nah, I'm in the middle of Elantris right now. It's pretty good so far. Planning on reading Sanderson's works in publication order.

>>7957851
>exact same style
I'm sorry, when did Adams use footnotes as a comedic tool?

Looking for fantasy that isn't edgy, stale, dnd3.5 garbage.

Something in the vein of EREddison. or Burroughs. Something with strong heroic men on bizarre adventures.

>>7957861
Neato!

>>7957846
The world-building and magic all a bit overwrought for me but I get that people like this kind of thing.

I'd also have preferred a more focused narrative based solely around Kaladin but complaining about shit being needlessly long or overblown when it comes to epic fantasy probably a bit redundant.

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>>7957871

>>7957871
Zelazny, Amber Chronicles

>>7957878
>I'd also have preferred a more focused narrative based solely around Kaladin

Yeah, I totally know what you mean. The other characters are nice and all, but Kaladin's story was by far the funnest to read, if not a little predictable

>>7957859
It can't be poorly written like all fanfictition is. Can't deal with self insertion or Mary sues either

>>7955034
>must only read old books
I appreciate you taking the time to make your list, but you're correct in assuming I mostly read older books.
>>7955792
Okay then, definitely pick up the Stainless Steel Rat books, Foreigner (anything by Cherryh really), and Ringworld. Maybe grab The Princess of Flames, Midnight at the Well of Souls, and The Demu Trilogy. The rest are fine, with the exception of Soulstring (too feminine?) and Operation Misfit (painful, rapid fire prose).

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How does he eat and drink while wearing the mask?

>>7952310
Much like the rape at the beginning, I enjoyed it starting out but slowly began regretting my decision

>>7957887
Is this shit as based as it sounds?

>>7957846
Sanderson's best work by far. /lit/ shits on him a lot, but Way of Kings gets a lot of love around here.

>>7958041
I read White Sand and I liked it better than all of Sanderson's other works put together. Sure the intro is a bit icky and the characterisation was bit weird in places but holy plot twist batman.

>>7952490
I recall The Great and Secret Show to be an enjoyable read.

>>7957893

Zelazny pussies me off so much.

He has parts of his stories which are absolutely brilliant and unparelled, and then a lot of crap which bores me to death.

>>7958048
Isn't that the graphic novel? I thought that hadn't been released yet.

I could never get into comics, so would you still recommend it?

>>7957999
Absolutely!

>>7958120
>Isn't that the graphic novel?
It was one of Sanderson's early novels that he never managed to edit into something sellable, so they're turning it into a GN.

http://brandonsanderson.com/hugo-voter-packet-with-the-wheel-of-time-convention-deadlines-white-sand-graphic-novels/

>>7952490
Imajica is the only halfway decent Barker novel.

>>7957887
I've had a thing for noble, brutally dogmatic atheists since Hermetic Millennia.

>>7957814
>bill likes to juice up

>>7957887
If jim butcher approves, imma add it to my list.

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>>7957861
Enjoy your "nothing happens until the end" during Warbreaker. Also be on the lookout for you-know-who.

>>7957963
By staying on tumbgay

>>7955015
>Book of the New Sun
>The Dying Earth
>The Night Lands (try a modernized edition if this is too archaic)

Might also try Gormenghast as far as living in a giant castle goes.

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Currently reading pic related. Fun, if silly and short, swordventure with lustily turgid prose yeah, really. I'm about 3/4 through it and the Princess still hasn't seen fit to put clothes on.

For those of you that read Mistborn #1, did you see the ending coming? I did not.

>>7958120
I've got a .pdf of White Sand if you'd like it

>>7958394
i saw ur mom coming

Whats some fantasy or sci-fi with lesbian, rape and incest?

>>7958400
follow up question: whats some gay pedo fantasy apart from my diary t b h

>>7958404
HOGG

>>7958415
violent and disgusting and also not fantasy.

i was molested as a kid and reading about similar themes kinda makes me feel better in a weird way. i cant really explain it. the man who did it to me was very "kind" and "loving" and made me feel safe to a certain degree. i still cant get hard and i get random bouts of crippling anxiety which makes it impossible for me to pursue any sort of higher education or employment. im too ashamed to seek any help.

>>7958120
>>7958395
It's the novel version I got one off sanderson (you can email him for a copy) and there are also copies on mult private trackers and shit.

Yeah the novel's quite good.

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>>7958120
The novel itself isn't entirely canon (yeah, some concepts would be reused but most everything else would likely be changed.)

>>7958394
Keep reading. Final Empire's ending is tame.

need some fantasy simmilar to bakker. epix,philosophical,long. tried wolfe,erikson,donaldson...who else ?

>Lord of Light wasn't an epic six-volume series that covered Sam's reintroduction of technology and went full ham on the Hindu references
There ain't no justice.

>>7957706
Kurt vonnegut,
David Wong,
Rob reid

>>7958616
Nobody writes rape, gay and incest quite like Bakker does.

>>7957354
What's bait about that?

I like Hobb's writing far more than most male fantasy authors, even the highly rated ones.

>>7958837
I like Hobbes' writing over most male fantasy authors too.

>>7957706
I like to think Heinlein thought "Fuck it." when he decided to write Glory Road. He went full on damsel in distress, big muscle MC, swords, and m'lady. It seemed to me that he was poking fun at it throughout, yet not in a way that disparages the genre, like he was having fun with it.

Stainless Steel Rat by Harry Harrison is all tongue in cheek and all about crooks... or maybe it's implied that everyone is a crook and some are just deluded and others are better at it.

>>7958437
Huh. Kinda the same here. You're the first person I've seen mention how reading about it makes one feel better. Can't explain why either.

Why do the later Fafhrd books get so much lewder?

>>7959329
Didn't he write those over 40 years? Times change, different things are more acceptable in pop culture at different time, and dirty old man syndrome, perhaps. How lewd do they get?

G E N R E F I C T I O N

>>7959349
>tips fedora

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What does /sffg/ think of the Empire from The Ashes trilogy?
Do I have shit taste if I like it? Especially the third one.

>>7952551
Stairway to forever is pretty neato

>tfw you sent your niece a letter that she's invited for Hogwarts
>tfw she's a bully victim in rl and thought it was real.
Just a prank.

She's been crying so hard for so long now.

>>7958395
Mega that shit dude

Not sure if regular Sci-fi/Fantasy stuff, but have any of you read any Japanese Light Novel series' worth checking out? I read all of Spice & Wolf, and while I enjoyed the character interaction between the Merchant and the Goddess I though the ending a complete cop-out.

>>7959638
There's a couple great ones, they're mostly untranslated though.

For translated stuff there is Index; magic/church meets science, it's kind of interesting in a way, although the writing isn't anything to write home about. The one that is truly a step above other LNs is Owari no Chronicle + Horizon (same universe, OnC is the prequel) and I recommend everyone give them a shot. Some of the best world building in fiction and very intriguing politics.

>>7952299
Lots of people haven't. It's not cool enough and there's no sparkly vampires in it.

>>7959417
Adversity builds character.

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>>7959654
>watched the animu
>don't read the LN but lurk threads because I want to find out what is up with Imagine Breaker
SHOOT ME

Reading Deadhouse Gates now, I'm getting more and more confused by the setting in Malazan. There's lots of niggas around that are hundreds of thousands of years old, and a couple civilizations are said to be millions of years old.
This isn't going to turn out to be some sci-fi bullshit in the end, is it?

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>>7959695
IIRC, there are many many different dimensions but it stays predominantly fantasy.

>>7959699
Different dimensions I can live with, that can still be chalked up as fantasy. Thanks for setting me at ease.

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What does /lit/ think of my fantasy novel idea

The story begins when a malady known as the Moth Plague descends upon the Sighing City of Celocombo (one of its many appellations), a tropical city-state known for the production of moonsilk, for the duration of exactly one year.

The reader, nor any character within the narrative, ever determines the plague's origins (though clues are left behind), nor is a cure ever found. The novel examines the lives of 4 (or 5) POV characters, each of who are trapped in the doomed city following the quarantine, and each of whom will have their own arcs which interlock at various junctions. So far the POVs are: a temple prostitute, a merchant impressed (legally) into slavery, a mercenary with the Iguana Corps (the city's hired army which eventually endeavors a coup d'etat), and an acoylte of the Ritualists (an order of ancestor-mages).

I'm trying to deliver the worldbuilding in an entirely "show, don't tell" manner, and to focus on the plot and characters above all. I deliberately want the world to seem exotic and alien, and the reader's only anchors to be the characters, though they very well might not understand them (like the temple prostitute).

I want to examine themes such as life and death, man vs. an indifferent nature, the nature of "the city", free will vs. determinism, and etc. I know that that's probably an overambitious desire but those are my intentions.

Atmosphere: humid, bright abundance contrasted with psychological darkness, heavy, dense.

It's proving quite challenging to write.

Would /sffg/ be interested?

>>7959702
You already posted this.

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>>7959700
Yep. There were some okay concepts introduced in Malazan but I only read the first four books and a lot of it felt like a slog.

>>7959713
>a lot of it felt like a slog
I'm two-thirds through the second and I'm enjoying myself so far, even if I barely understand anything about the bigger picture.

>>7959702
I've helped you out by coming up with names for the characters.
>a temple prostitute
Yndra

>a merchant impressed (legally) into slavery
Boublom

>a mercenary with the Iguana Corps (the city's hired army which eventually endeavors a coup d'etat)
Voltar Resniaq

>and an acoylte of the Ritualists (an order of ancestor-mages)
Mhyrr'iomnion Ar Tulummum

>>7958837
If only most authors of both genders wrote like she does.

I'm going to write a fantasy story where all the other races are nothing but highly evolved single celled organisms made out of gas

>>7959823
But how can you have gaseous cells? Please post some kind of diagram to explain this.

>>7959823
So basically air elementals?

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>>7959702

That sounds pretty cool

I'd read it if it was good

>>7959823
So pretty much just air elementals?

>>7959879
.... this is the second time today that someone regurgitated my post and rearranged /changed words and it's got me scared....

Mr Van are you saying you are onto me?

>>7959931
If someone knocks on your unexpectedly tomorrow, don't answer it.

>>7958400
The Thousand Names has lesbians in it. No rape or incest though.

Is there any fantasy with a homo lead?
Preferably a gay pedo

>>7952271
If you view it as an ending it's unfulfilling, but as an addendum, it's really very lovely to travel with Severian one last time while getting a peek at the future of Urth. My advice is to just torrent it unless you have a physical copy of every other entry in the BotNS, in which case, why wouldn't you complete the collection?

>>7960077
Farseer trilogy

>>7960077
Dumbledore was a gay pedo, but he wasn't the lead, so i can't help.

>>7960111
Thanks man.

>Hobb
I hope she's good

>>7960077
Land fit for heroes

I think our new meme should just be Sanderson's face photoshopped onto a gay incest porno with "KING OF /sffg/" in bold caps. It's like two memes in one

>>7960449
You also need to shop Rohtfuss's beard onto Sanderson for maximum effect

>>7960453
Make sure Sanderson is in the background crying

Any first contact books that play out like a fantasy novel?

You know, young protagonist, strong adventure, story and characters are given as much importance as the scientific details?

>>7957723
>>7958687

>Lafferty
>Kurt Vonnegut
>David Wong
>Rob Reid

Which works, specifically? My backlog doesn't let me got through all of them, and if somebody already skimmed through them, i'd like to avoid the shit/not so good ones.

>>7960066
>no rape
>Davidson

>>7960077
Steel Remains for gay homo lead, no pedo though

You can also try let the right one in

>>7960449
but Sanderson doesn't write gay... hell he doesn't even write sex, how did he reach to incest?

Now... Bakker, GURRM, Brent Weeks... there are your meme authors.

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>>7952258
Opinions on this book?

>pic related

>>7960713
It's good.
Just read it.

GGK is hghly rated.

>>7960720
The reason I ask is because it's between that book, the Agony and the Ecstasy and Brothers Karamazov

>>7960724
https://www.random.org/
min:1
max:4

1 is Guy Gavriel
2 is Agony
3 is Ectasy
4 is Brothers

>>7960724
TBK is probably the most essential read you can have and it it pretty amazing so you should go with that.

>>7957871
Conan, Kull

>>7960877
Dosto is a hack and far from essential.

>>7960981
He's probably the most celebrated writer aside Joyce as far as notable writers and their opinions go.

You guys watch any SFF youtubers? Any good ones?

>>7960877
>>7960981
>>7960993
fucking elitist in my general
RRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEE

The Skinner - Neal Asher
or
City of Blades - Robert Jackson Bennett

What about the Lies of Locke Lamora?
No one's talked about that yet. Thought it was good.

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>>7961456
Big fan yeah. Not too long till this.

>>7961398
To read next? Agent Cormac series by Neal Asher, then city of blades

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>>7960710
>he doesn't even write sex
That actually changed with the most recent novel. It wasn't described in any detail and merely hinted at but our boy is movin' on up.

>>7961509
The low quality made me think that the first word of the grrm quote was "trash" lmao

Best Arthurian works?

>>7962015
The Once and Future King

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Is there any Sci fi in the vein of this collage that you could recommend?

https://crowing.me/i/img50.imageshack.us/img50/8895/posxvidssdw2.jpg

I'm really dying for something gritty yet soulful and artistic

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>>7962046

>>7960611
I don't really agree with the other anon that Lafferty is funny. He drops in puns sometimes, but none of the three novels or short stories of his that I've read strike me as the type of thing you're looking for.

>>7962122
This is a good rec. The collage also makes me think of Roadside Picnic, though I probably wouldn't describe it as particularly artistic.

Hugo nominations are out this week, how bad do you expect them to be?

>>7962122
>cover showing a overly and stupidly ornamented world whose main purpose is looking cool for nerd escapists.

Is it just marketing or is the book actually like that?

>>7962310
If you weren't retarded you'd know that the answer is no

>>7960713
Good. GGK has a couple of annoying habits, though.

>>7962294
There was some good stuff this year wasn't there?

>>7962294
J E M I S I N
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>>7962310
Err, what? It's a post apocolyptic setting. That building is a fanciful depiction of the monastery, located in a desert wasteland.

>>7962294
It doesn't matter anyways. The Puppy's have probably brigaded it again.

>>7962341
Hugo awards have turned to shit, though. There's too much politics and agendas for them to concentrate on what good books are.

>>7962374
They went shitty before the puppy backlash.

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>>7962369
Here is the source image for a different cover.

>>7962380
>>7962382
What was the last good one? 2010?

>>7962380
I mostly follow the Philip K. Dick award anyway, it's not big enough to attract autistic blogging wars. Plus you find out about more newcomers that way.

>>7962385
I thought they started awarding mediocre stuff in the early 2000's. Granted, there was a lot of mediocre stuff then, but a lot deserved recognition over what they gave. Some years after had some good recognition, but it was hit or miss.

>>7962401
I still read stuff from the Hugos. Don't get me wrong, I think they still hold some merit, they just got bogged down. I've read through almost all of the top 5 and don't regret it. But yeah, I do a lot more searching on my own now. I seem to be more likely to pick something a little more interesting for myself, if not a relatively good book all around, just by browsing the shelves.

>>7962380
>turned

The issue is that 'good books' and 'popular vote' rarely overlap.

>>7957706
I find Fritz Leiber extremely funny.

>>7962416
This. Consider that the Wolfester has never won a Hugo.

>>7962443
>Wolfester
>good
>book
Pick two.

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>>7962446

Are there any good dark folk lore books/ pre-disneyification folk tales with some actual length to them? For example baby eating faeries.

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>>7962483
Cherryh's Rusalka Trilogy is a dark story with Russian folklore flavouring.

>>7962512
Exactly what I was looking for, thanks

>>7962446
Wolfester, good

>>7962512
is this the same person who wrote all those furry books

>>7962524
No problem.
I would note that she self-published updated ebook versions, with moderate revision to Chernevog and a major rewrite of Yvgenie. I've only read the originals, but they were pretty good.
>>7962533
You mean the Chanur novels? The Hani don't have monkey mammaries, so I wouldn't really call it furry...

>>7959296
“What did I want?

I wanted a harem loaded with lovely odalisques less than the dust beneath my chariot wheels, the rust that never stained my sword. I wanted raw red gold in nuggets the size of your fist, and feed that lousy claim jumper to the huskies! I wanted to get up feeling brisk and go out and break some lances, then pick a likely wench for my droit du seigneur – I wanted to stand up to the Baron and dare him to touch my wench! I wanted to hear the purple water chuckling against the skin of the Nancy Lee in the cool of the morning watch and not another sound, nor any movement save the slow tilting of the wings of the albatross that had been pacing us the last thousand miles.

“I wanted the hurtling moons of Barsoom. I wanted Storisende and Poictesme, and Holmes shaking me awake to tell me, “The game’s afoot!” I wanted to float down the Mississippi on a raft and elude a mob in company with the Duke of Bilgewater and Lost Dauphin. I wanted Prester John, and Excalibur held by a moon-white arm out of a silent lake.

“I wanted to sail with Ulysses and with Tros of Samothrace and to eat the lotus in a land that seemed always afternoon. I wanted the feeling of romance and the sense of wonder I had known as a kid. I wanted the world to be the way they had promised me it was going to be, instead of the tawdry, lousy, fouled-up mess it is. I had had one chance – for ten minutes yesterday afternoon. Helen of Troy, whatever your true name may be – and I had known it and I had let it slip away. Maybe one chance is all you ever get.”

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>>7962557
>The Hani don't have monkey mammaries, so I wouldn't really call it furry...
This cover is a fairly good body shot as described in the book.

I can make no such excuses for Hestia however.

>>7961456
Lies was great, Red Seas Under Red Skies was held down by pirate stuff, Republic of Thieves was shit.

>>7962483
Did you read Grimm's fairly Tales?

What was Krait's secret?

>>7958395
very late reply, but I'd appreciate it if you could upload it somewhere

new bread
>>7963174

>>7961551
I think once it's not the protagonist, Sanderson would let any of the "loose" characters engage in premarital sex .

>>7962402
>my taste is the basis that the world should use as a template