ohmygot, thish is horrible haha

Can I sniff your hairy salt and pepper yet very musky asshole? :3

>>7731233
6 and 7 are garbage tier. Complete delusions from pseudo-intellectuals.

5 is where it ends.

i think most of us are at tier 5

>>7731233
mein gott pure ideology!

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>>7731233
>Suicidal thoughts are just as arbitrary as the desire to live.

>>7731247
6 and 7 are no better than levels -1 through 1

5 is the end.

How does materialism imply that "science is the only road to knowledge"?

>>7731260
That's not what the chart's saying, it's talking about reductionist/physicalists like Sam Harris, who believe science can be used to discern objects of reality traditionally considered metaphysical

>>7731247
>>7731248
>>7731253
Level 5 is just people who have yet to grasp Wittgenstein's "On Certainty" (or equivalent).

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>>7731233

>>7731253
That's exactly what someone who hasn't transcended to level 6 would say.

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>>7731277

>>7731298
>"When we think we escape it, with our dreams, at that point we are within ideology."

>>7731233
I feel like I'm somewhere in between 4 and 5. I'm way past babby's first Existential Crisis and hedonism, but I still have yet to create my own meaning for my life.

I kind of stopped caring about that and just live my life by all the normal morals and such. I never decided that and still have it in my head that some day I will chose my own purpose, but I've been thinking that for years.

>>7731233
>reddit fedora higher than religious mystic
l m a o
sniffs

>>7731252
that's obviously level 2. the quote is something Cioran or Schopenhauer might say.

DDUUUUUDE
I might be a 5 I feel so cool and smart fuck yeah

>>7731350
Ligotti too

>>7731247
>>7731253
You have so much to learn

>>7731275

What are you talking about? On Certainty basically boils down to: most doubt is unfounded because most of it is inherently contradictory.

The reason level 6 is garbage and a complete delusion is because "As all knowledge is inherently founded on faith, ..."
is completely contradictory to the purpose of the hierarchical system in which it resides.

Which means whoever wrote this up was a fedora tipping pseudo-intellectual who never read a book on logic, understood, let alone read "On Certainty.".

Level 7 is mental hospital tier.

>>7731386
>implying I'm reading all that
you're just gay

>>7731233
I've never had an existential crisis, but I feel like a level 5. Is this normal? Am I a 5?

currently in level 4, lots of relapsing and trying to sober up then relapsing again. haven't done opiates in like a month though

>>7731298
kek

>>7731233
>>7731248
>>7731275
>>7731278
>>7731350

>Zizek
>dumps a chart with a high potention to become a meme
>wants us to chart us oneanother in the future
>*sniff*
>being a fagott

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Ask a lvl ∞ anything.

>>7731540
Does infinity minus infinity equal zero?

>>7731550
All infinity equals zero.

Level 5/6 and I just started meditating, although it is a long process to ego loss.

>>7731540
Is man in control of his neurological processes or are the neurological processes in control of the man?

>>7731540
What is your favorite book?

>>7731579
The man is the neurological processes.

>>7731606
There's no favorites, so whatever is being read actually.

>>7731400
>questioning the validity of your philosophy based off of a meme
Never take a /lit/fag's opinion too seriously unless they actually prove to you that they're educated, well-read and not retarded shitposters

Regarding your crisis, it may come eventually or it may never come. Maybe it's because you never emotionally internalized your philosophy or maybe you really just don't care that much, either way it doesn't matter. Could also be that most existentialists are depressed and any depressed person will struggle with the feeling of futility instead of just accepting it.

>>7731277
X2

>>7731298
>>7731303
>z-zizek said it so I b-believe it. T-that settles it.

>>7731550
No.

>>7731233
>Redittor Atheist Fedora Tier.

Already I sense where this is going, which is straight to the Bible Belt, whether taken straight or as satire. For people with an empire, Americans are not a particularly cosmopolitan bunch, on the whole, nor is that born-dead language I call Internet Boy.

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>>7731233
>level 5

But what is the difference between level five and six, and why do you favor Buddhism so much.

>Level infinity
>description: /pol/ pilled garbage

Fuck off. You're a shitter, and the very idea of the "tier system" is retarded.

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>>7731313
I'm the same. I think I'm only stuck because I'm neither rich nor autistic. I feel if I didn't have to work so much I'd be able to figure out what my life means.

>>7732174
>failing to understand the post
>identifying something completely unrelated as something else

level -∞ detected, goddamn
>your head

dear plebs: skip to level 6 by reading the Symposium fifteen times

>>7731233
I think it is possible that Slavoj Zizek ever posted on /lit/, but he wouldn't be saying "hey, I'm Zizek guise".

>>7731233
>see thumbnail, read description
>'oh this autist probably put my zen/stoic belief in the worst tier
>load image
>level six
I know that validation is a form of attachment but whatever

>>7731233
-1, 0 and 6 are pretty much the same

>>7731233
It'd be interesting if someone who is a 4Chan Renaissance man could give every board a number for its' average

/Lit/: 5
/pol/:-1/0/3
/b/:2
/r9k/:4
/adv/:3

Since anything is part of everything, can you read whatever and still discover the totality of cosmic understanding within it?

>>7733119
/jp/: 6
/po/: ∞

What's the ideology where I tell people I don't have one and try to avoid arguing about it?

>>7733194
it's called 'inarticulate insecure fag' tier

there is nothing more disgraceful than an eastern european marxist.
absolutely disgusting.
of course its no surprise you are also an arrogant fedora transjewmanist who thinks he can become god

>>7733136
If you read it correctly.

>>7732181
Quietism.

>>7733119
/fit/ level 1

>>7731233
While i'm glad fitting on 5, i don't really know why it should be considered better or worse than the others, seems like you are just trying to feel better about something by ranking things so they fit your opinions.

>>7731233
how the fuck are 3 and 5 in any way exclusive you trog

>>7731386
You're thinking of faith as something purely spiritual and failing to recognize how every human observation is axiomatic and based purely on human beliefs

>>7731233

Sometimes 2, and sometimes 5.

>>7731350
Wrong. Schopenhauer believed we should deny our will-to-life, which doesn't necessarily imply suicide, but can include it

2, 3 and 5 are not exclusive/incompatible

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Greetings from the 3rd Astral plane!

I bid you good health, friends, and wish to share this image.

Cast off your materialistic shackles, the demiurge created this world as your prison. Why would "God" allow his first born to suffer and die on the cross? Why should we kneel before an icon of suffering? NO your "God" is no more than the demiurge, renounce the demiurge and declare yourself a free man. Cast down the archons and join me. Together we can achieve gnosis and everlasting peace!

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>>7734558
That's why the machines that make observations make similar observations and can even observe things we can't.

Because mechanical observations are based on faith.

Right.

>>7731248
>he's not lvl 8
ayy

>>7733119
/v/ level 1-2

>>7731540
How's 7th grade?

>>7734694
>You're thinking of faith as something purely spiritual and failing to recognize how every human observation is axiomatic and based purely on human beliefs

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>tfw level ∞
I've been through all of them and can say the image is really accurate

>>7731233
what if i'm at level 5 but have no passion or motivation strong enough for anything to make it my purpose? am i just clinically depressed?

>>7734694
You have to observe the observation. You can't experience anything outside of your senses. Ja feel?

>>7731860
Level 5 here. Never had a deep existential crisis, but maybe that's because I never had to, since instead, I underwent the stress of my dad trying to kill me with a revolver.

>>7733184
>/jp/: 6

[NO]

(Maybe the better ones, but for jp's majority, even moreso than lit's, it's probably 3-4)

>>7731233
>Hegel worshipper
>anywhere but level 3 at best

>>7733091
exactly

>>7734694
wow you're dumb

>>7731233
5 on the road to 6 I guess. But is 6 even real, or is it a delusion? I feel like, somehow, it does not matter, that no matter where I am, I will always search for a way to go deepers. I guess some of us are like that, uncofortable with certainty, craving mysteries, puzzles, enigmas. Anyone else shares these feels?

>>7731550

nope still infinity.

>>7731559

nope all infinity = 1

god tier question: if ∞=1 how do we get to 2?

>>7737061
>if ∞=1 how do we get to 2
All quantities are arbitrary divisions of the same multiplicity.

I guess according to this I'm like a... 4.5? Pretty stupid to be honest. Both this chart and myself.
I am sort of edging towards 5 because I guess I recognize that the meaning I have made for myself is staying alive for the people around me... But I'm definitely not that far past four as I don't do a whole lot for myself past various hedonistic pursuits.

Does that matter anyway? I guess I could put in a whole bunch of effort to 'get' to a higher level... But what's the point? I've never met anybody that seemed happy and fulfilled that wasn't some kind of delusional. As you go up the scale does your satisfaction and happiness in life go down? I would say that's been my own experience.

When I was younger I thought I could get to Infinity Tier, I meditated and did yoga all the time. I firmly followed something of a stoic philosophy... But as I have gone on and gotten a little older I guess I can recognize that this was just another delusion. I was a bit happy in that delusion though. Was it a lie or have I moved 'down' the ranking? Is that possible? If I'm right and most happy/satisfied people are lower in the tier ranking... Should I actively try to move down instead of up? A pig satisfied or Socrates dissatisfied? When I first heard that it seemed obvious that I should want to be Socrates dissatisfied but when I look at some people around my I find myself wishing I could just be a happy pig.

Bit of a ramble but wevs

>>7731233
This chart is kind of unfair I feel. At some levels I sit around 5(6 when it comes to suicidal type thoughts and religion or faiths role in knowledge), and have done for a few years, but that's not due to any particular literary experience (though I'm working on that), simply life experiences and a lot of introspection (as well as schizophrenia I guess) leading me to that point.

It's entirely conceivable that someone could be much, much more educated than I am while holding an entirely different view, simply because they found that the values they held disagreed with the idea that life is without meaning inherently.

Level 4 is just essentially saying that if you're suicidal, you're somehow more enlightened than the average person, which is stupid as fuck. Is /r9k/ enlightened for feeling hopeless and like there's nothing out there for them to look forward to? Because they're fucking retarded.

Hell, it lists fucking religious figures as being past a point where they realise that life is inherently meaningless, despite nothing in the teachings of someone like Jesus suggesting this at all.

Also, level infinity is fucking pointless, it's just the same sort of shit from any sort of X-pill chart that has very little meaning except for implying the superiority of this level.

I dunno really, ignoring the rant, it just feels wrong to me to try to rank peoples beliefs. Nothing about yours makes it inherently better than any other. Sure, you can debate it better than someone with little knowledge, but an idiot holding a point of view doesn't make it wrong, just makes them wrong. Anyone could arrive at any point on this chart for any reason, knowledge of philosophical texts aren't necessary for holding a belief. Arguing it, sure, but not believing it.

>>7736040
If we consider /jp/ has similar minds with it's prophet, ZUN, I'd say 5.

>>7737081
good answer, if only in response to a terrible question.
>>7737061
∞-∞ is indeterminate you arsehole.

∞ also doesn't equal one. you're baiting aren't you 7/10

>>7737129
>equating philosophical beliefs to mental illnesses

>>7737163
I'm not equating it, I'm saying that this chart allows for anyone who's suicidal to instantly become level 4. Feeling that life is without meaning is an extremely common symptom of depression.

There needs to be some sort of specification made about what that actually means, because nihilism on its own can easily just be a sign of mental illness.

>>7737157
>you're baiting aren't you
No, infinity is being explained as holistic (reality being an interminably divisible whole), rather than absolute (together with zero, being immesurable, that is inexperienciable) as previous. This is all numeral semantics.

Kek what's wrong with lvl 2?

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>>7737315

>>7737436
Seriously, is there any non memeic reason to disagree with validity of scientific method?

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>>7731233
I'm somewhere between 5 and 6, have I gone too far?

What level is scientific socialism in that chart?

I know you all think you’re being ironic, but you’re actually fedora-tipping faggots

>>7737478
-2

>>7737446
>The Critique of Pure Reason

>>7734607
But what you're saying is false (not more than the one you were quoting though). Funny how no one really know Schopenhauer, ever. First, there's no should. Schopenhauer describe, that's all. He says himself (chapter 54 of the World I think, if not 55) that he doesn't know if the stade of accepting the will to life is better than the negation of it. The suicide is in the will to life category, not in the negation of it. To suicide means having a strong will to life, but not having a good enough situation to satisfy it. It is not, in no way, any form of negation.

>>7736019
>You have to observe the observation.
>Acknowledges observations outside himself.
>You can't experience anything outside of your senses. Ja feel?
>Doesn't realize there is a difference between experiences and observations.
>Proof that solipsists are stupid.

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>>7737497

But Kant's first critique doesn't challenge the scientific method - it only restricts it to the domain of empirical reality, denying that science can draw conclusions about transcendental ideality.

>>773135

What Schopenhauer would say is actually much closer to ∞ than to 4.

>>7734607

Wrong. Schopenhauer explicitly says that we cannot deny the will-to-live through suicide. For Schopenhauer, suicide (with the exception of some special cases like self-sacrifice) occurs when a person wants to live happily, but is so burdened by the suffering and boredom of life that they decide to quit life instead of endure unhappiness; thus they affirm the will-to-live so strongly that they can't continue in their life, since their life is so full of obstruction and dissatisfaction of their will. They instead kill themselves, probably without even recognizing that upon their individual death their underliying character will be reobjectified in the birth of a new individual (Schopenhauer's version of reincarnation or "palingenesis").

So this anon's got it right: >>7737664

Though Schopenhauer does sometimes give advice about what people should do, and casts moral judgments against people, he also does say that people are predetermined to their behavior in the world, and nothing can change a person's underlying character, which forces them to be motivated by certain goals rather than by certain others.

>stage 5
>have yet to read Nietzsche

>>7737855
What Schope actually practiced was more like a 4 though. Cognitive dissonance was strong in that one.

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>>7737868

"Cognitive dissonance" isn't the right word, because even *if* he personally only engaged in merely "carnal pleasures" (instead of the aesthetic pleasure of calming of his will) he could still say, totally consistently with his system, that his moral character was not of the type to behave in any other way.

the world ideology means false consciousness.

this chart makes no sense to me at all

>>7731247
lol this board is a joke

>>7731233
level infinity is the endpoint of level 1, call level 1 "Walmart-tier religion" or something

>>7731233
>tfw level 6

Who else /patrish/ here?

Level 6 describes my thoughts, but I haven't gone through almost any of the other levels and I think that I have never been very clever. I think that there is an endless string of thoughts to be thought about and this level thing is stupid.

>>7737698
>Implying he's defending solipsism
>Implying the machines you defend so much aren't themselves fruits of human axiomatic thought
>Implying you can ever make absolute observations about anything

you /sci/ autists should take the technocrats balls out of your mouths, tbqh

>>7734694
The machines are operating within a certain "belief system" or method of processing reality explicitly given them by their construction ... they don't need faith because they don't have any inherent capacity nor need to reflectively think about their observations.

>>7731277
le ebin drawn man

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>>7731233
OP. Is . A-and imposterr *sniff* and probably Eurocentric as well. Thish is, I think not permitted by big oder. My feminist friends also say he is misogynist.

>>7738209
>My feminist friends also say he is misogynist.
jesus fuck i snorted

>>7731579
Define control. I would argue that man and neurological processes are both mutually independent systems and that neither one controls, nor needs to control, the other.

>>7739981
>I would argue that man and neurological processes are both mutually dependent systems and that neither one controls, nor needs to control, the other.

ftfy

>>7739991
>I would argue that man and neurological processes are both mutually dependent systems and that they influence each other in a feedback loop

ftfm

nothing wrong with someday returning to level -1

>>7734643
How do I get in contact with this "Raz"?

>>7731233
mix the fears of 4, the literary background and entertainment of the end of 6, and the willingness to 5

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>>7731579
>>7739981
>>7739991
>>7739998
there is no man, lads

>>7731233
The last one isn't really a big deal, you just don't have to be a complete fucking dullard

Pure Nirvana and Divine Ascension lol, get the fuck out of here with that shit

Luckily, when you actually read philosophy you don't feel the urge to join a school of thought and pledge your loyalty like it's a political faction.
Reductionist trash.

>>7731233
Slovenia is central Europe, how dare you associate it with Ruthenian savages

>>7734643

"Did you know you could spend all that 4chan time better learning Forex/Stock Market."

Oh, how Christian!!! Oh, how Christ-like!

>>7733837
So essentially meditation?

>>7740998
Whatever makes you feel better about your mortality friendo.

>>7742762
>your
literally who

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>>7742747
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quietism_(philosophy)

It's the end game of philosophy bruv

>>7737866
You've probably read people influenced by him, and those influenced by who he influenced. At this point Nietzsche's thoughts have so heavily infiltrated society that people are pretty easily able to reach his same conclusions without directly identifying his influence.

I mean shit, how many fathers have told their sons "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger" at this point? How many people know where that came from at this point? I don't think there was a single philosopher in history to make the transition from an obscure writer to a thread in the fabric of 'common sense' so quickly.

>>7731233
>Marxish philosopher
>Hierarchiesh

Nice.

>>7731252

I'm still not sure what the blockchain is referencing

What's interesting is that that image describes my intellectual development with a certain degree of accuracy. I still feel, though, that there is no mere bridge from level 6 to infinity. On a theoretically complete chart, I think that level 6 would be a very small step towards ultimate enlightenment, should such a thing exist. I feel like the quest for such an end is like carrying a heavy burden down an infinite road until one day you crumble down and die, returning to the earth from whence we were born.

>>7742792
I've read some Witty, I'll check the rest out. Thanks anon.

>>7733032
fuck off muhammad, no poo in loo

>>7743213
Bitcoin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitcoin#Block_chain

>>7742792
w2c upper class austerity?

>>7731233
Gonna Eat Now Everyone Will Offer Lettuce For Elephants

>>7731233
lvl 5. Am I a pleb? I'm ok with it tbqh fàm.

Easily level 6, and I'm not very /lit/.

>>7731233
I would put agnostic above atheist t b h I went from brainwashed peasant, to fedora atheist then to agnostic and I finally I ended up in nihilism and absurdism level 5

>>7743023
audible chuckling

that chart would be scarily accurate if the order was reversed

>>7731233
Stage 2 Libertarian Super-Atheist Redditor reporting in.

>>7742706
Le kill yourself

>>7731233
Moved gradually from 1 to 7 and now back to -1. This chart is freakishly accurate.

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>i dont empty an entire bottle of ketchup onto a single piece of toast while wailing out incoherent strings of alliterated syllables every single morning

>>7731233
this
>>7731247

level 1, 6 & 7 are the same if you acknowledge that buddhism is just another bullshit retard tier ideology.

>>7731550
function undefined.
learn the rules of maths dummy.

Level 2/3. I'm pretty young though, so time to improve.

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>>7749725
Don't be so naive.

>>7731233
>As all knowledge is inherently founded on faith, it is a personal choice as to whether to include religion in a consistent worldview
>choice
Bullshit how many people aren't religious simply because their parents taught them as children and they never bothered to question it.

>>7749814
Does your mom know you're using the computer ?

>>7749812
10/10

>>7749720
I hope you enjoy Samsara m8

>>7749869
>he doesn't want to live forever
>he thinks existence is suffering

Somehow 1st seems like the followup to 7th

>the brain isn't just chemicals
that's peasant tier mysticism right there

>>7731233
kek, you could grasp the concepts explored in level 4 or 5, and claim to "believe it", but I bet most of you (including myself) are at level 2 or something. I can admit that being an advocate of zen buddhism would be nice and probably vastly beneficial for my self, but I can adamantly describe myself as a materialist; it's ridiculously hard to try to convince myself that existence is without meaning, or detach myself from existence itself

>>7749882
>He boot too big for he gotdamn feet

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>>7749882
>he's deluded and thinks his self exists
>he strives for the literally impossible goal of immortality

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>>7749812

This is most true.

I am precisely 4, I think. This is why I wrote a haiku that nobody liked. I call it "Are singleton kitties bound for morality?".

I have included it below.

Earth extinct, barron,
Two kittens. maximally equidistant,
What is now moral?

I'd like to talk about kitten morality, you see.

How is this thread still here?