Is there a book that the entirety of /lit/ agrees on as being:

Qur'an

Im reading moby dick, but im finding it a bit slow at the beginning.

Did you feel the same way while reading it?

I also have to add i lost a bit of my reading routine or however you call the frequency of your reading times due to exams and vacations

>>7663191
Moby Dick is incredible but I think everyone would agree that the chapters that consist entirely of inaccurate whale information are a flaw

Paradise Lost, the Bible, there was some dude the other night hating on Macbeth but I'm pretty sure he was a Reddit plant trying to shill the Ender Quartet.

Oh and Borges. Then again, the kinds of people who hate those books are garbage, Protestant, Platonists, or all of the above.

>>7663197
How far are you into the book so far? I felt that the first 150 or so pages were the easier parts to get through, filled with actual plot, introducing characters, etc., and it's the middle 500 or so pages that take a while to get through.

My boy Dante with his catholic fanfic

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>>7663191
I don't know about the rest of you, but I found the hero with a thousand faces flawless.

The Holy Bible.

The old man and the meme


;D

>>7663191
My diary Tbh

>>7663231
his diary

TO BE QUITE HONEST, FAMILY

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>>7663191
The only people who don't like it haven't read it.

>>7663191
Nothing in literature is objective, everything is subjective, no one will agree on anything.

>>7663191
>great, without flaws, literally GOAT
aesop's fables -
teaching kids the different facets of life and the need to be good - to others, but much more than that, to self!

>>7663249
>shilling so hard
>everyone on lit is a /pol/lie
>they will like this book

>>7663191
I didn't enjoy Moby-Dick. It was too slow and just really linear. It wasn't difficult or anything, pretty easy read and a few parts were enjoyable, but I felt that it lacked something to make it good. Maybe a better pace would have worked.

The Quran desu senpai.

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>>7663191
>Is there a book that is great, without flaws, literally GOAT, etc.?

Yes, there are many, many fine examples.

>>7663191
>Is there a book that the entirety of /lit/ agrees on as being: great, without flaws, literally GOAT, etc.?

LOL, no, not even close.

Here m8, you wanna good book rec?

>>7663339
Aye

>>7663191
STONER

>>7663191

Book of Job
Gospel of John

>>7663268
If you think you are supposed to like Kohler, you didn't understand the book.

>>7663402
That's too popular. Someone is bound to hate it for the sake of being contrarian.

>>7663199
There was a guy who sperged out on how PL was a "minor Milton work," got called out on it, then tried to compare with PL with everything but Milton works, from Shakespeare to Dante. It was pretty pathetic.

>>7663206
A lot of people find Dante boring/unrelatable (fucking r/books)/le deritative fanfic unironically.

>>7663209
I'd guess <10 people here have read it

>>7663265
>falling for the subjectivity meme

>>7663339
they used to be more common, but the previously weekly dostoy vs tolstoy threads showed a lot of people were kinda meh on this

>>7663402
frequent threads from people saying it's overrated/boring/pointless

>>7663198
If the information was accurate it would be a flaw. It's a whaleman's perspective about something he loves. I like those parts.

Swann's Way from Proust's search is generally pretty liked although some people are too impatient for the prose which is fine

The Tunnel is really well liked

Alessandro Baricco's Ocean Sea is pretty great though I doubt many have read it.

Lolita is almost unanimously loved, rightly so because the prose is absolutely beautiful

Don Quixote?

>>7663433
Kinda sucked. It's old as fuck but can get crazy repetitive and stupid. A lot of people hate it

>>7663433
there was a don quixote thread earlier this week where people were shitting on part 2

>>7663191
Hamlet, the works of Plato and Aristotle and perhaps Moliere and Racine (they don't really get discussed).

don quicksohtee

>>7663265
>now I'm finally safe to keep my shitty opinions! ;)

>>7663265
>now I'm finally safe to keep my shitty opinions! ;)

>>7663424
This.
It's inaccuracy by modern standards is irrelevant. It's more important that we know what sailors at that time believed was the truth

>>7663265
>finally I am no longer forced to deny myself the awful impressions that I derive from literature ;^)

>>7663457
>>7663458
>>7663465
>samefagging this poorly

>>7663191

Lolita would be my guess.

>>7663265
not upholding a sense of objectivity (however delusional it may be) is how you end up with shit literature being privileged over greater works. It would inevitably end with only popular simplistic works being considered the greatest. Go to r/books for an example of this

Why would we agree about anything? Fuck off.

>>7663483
Why would I go on the request board to look for books?

>>7663571
I didn't mean /r/
I meant to this place: https://www.reddit.com/r/books/comments/448o45/who_are_the_most_consistently_good_authors_that/

>>7663428
>Lolita

Worthy of love and praise because the fantastic prose isn't even the only brilliant thing going on.

>>7663604
>Lolita
>the fantastic prose isn't even the only brilliant thing going on.
you just had to

>>7663191
Borges collected works is pretty widely respected.

>>7663402
The book is pretty mediocre aside from the above average departmental stuff regarding the nephew, the good marriage stuff and resulting turning of the daughter, and the phenomenal last chapter.

>>7663578
>Candace Bushnell
>Vonnegut

What are the chances that the newfriends here bring our taste and cynicism there as they have imported lack of objective criticism here.

The Greeks

>>7663265
nobody even a little read needs to refers back to this redundancy because they've already reconciled it with the further proposition that unless they hold some sense of objectivity re:quality all further discourse on art is essentially useless

>>7663198

Nah consider those chapters in the light of the image-original problem and they make sense.

>>7663191
>three separate humps
>teeth in upper jaw

#cetology #autism #triggered

I have only ever seen praise for some books of the Bible, esp. Ecclesiastes.

>>7663209
Literally one of the worst books I've ever read.

Campbell treated Freud as if he was a physicist, the most outlandish and insane theories as if they were concrete fact. Reading it in 2016 gives the impression of a bad parody of psychoanalysis. The stuff about dreams in particular is absolutely preposterous. And the only way he manages to fit so many stories into his framework is by fucking including all possibilities! The hero accepts the quest, the hero doesn't. He's helped by the gods, he isn't helped by the gods. He returns home, he doesn't return home. And it keeps going like that. He might as well have written "the hero decides to eat the doughnut, or he doesn't". When you include the entire probability space you naturally end up with everything in the end!

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>>7663249
Not even the best "The Tunnel".

>>7663829
Mah nigga

The Iliad or The Odyssey, maybe.

>>7663627
see: >>7663413

>>7663241
Agreeed haaerd thb brotha agehha chuhggggggg

>>7663921
I'm not a a a a a a a robot

>>7663331
A board devoted to literature is not the right place for anyone this dense

Pretty much half of his popular plays and a number that aren't. If you find flaw with Hamlet or Macbeth you are lying or just not trying.

/lit/ will never agree on anything because it is full of insecures who like nothing more than being contrarian

>>7663198
Disagree. It's enchanting to get the whale men's perspective. It makes the whole thing seem way larger, more epic in scale

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>>7663936
The man himself

gilgymesh

>>7663203
Moby Dick is only like 500 pages total, so I don't know what "middle 500 pages" you could be talking about.

>>7663222
Trips of truth.
Doubt /lit/ will agree thoguh.

>>7663829
>>7663884
Doesn't even come close to the beauty and depth of Gass'.

the epic of gigglymesh

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>>7663402
Not even best Williams. Seriously, find a flaw

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>>7663578
As much as i hate reddit's attitude toward most things, /lit/'s hate for /r/books is fucking hilarious. Did you read that thread? The top response is cormac mccarthy. There are plebs for sure, but other people listing murakami and then people discussing how damn repetitive his novels are. Is nabokov pleb because he's well liked on reddit?

>>7664184
r/books detected

hate to break it to you anon, but mccarthy IS reddittier pleb trash ^_^

>>7664190
>blood meridian
>not one of the most highly praised and recommended books here
Jesus christ

>>7664197
no it's trash and the fact that it has started getting so much praise recently is just one of many signs of the plebbification of /lit/

>>7663624
>>7663199

Yeah, Borges. The only contention and arguments people have are about various translations. Outside of that there are people that call him pretentious. Anybody who calls anything pretentious without a supporting argument are complete idiots and should be never listened to and of course nobody ever calls something pretentious with a supporting argument because the people that use that word are using it in place of an argument.

>>7664184
it runs deeper than mere taste, which obviously overlaps with here since any decent reader refers to the canon

The quasi-democraticization of posts in larger subs is shit compared to the flattened stratification here. Both are echo chambers (the former moreso because you're actively rewarded for it) but anonymity + ephemerality produces much more insightful and honest (if you understand subtext 101) content tbqh.

>>7663627
What I said is pretty far from hate, it just only has bursts of brilliance.

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I liked this.
Nobody on /lit/ ever told me that it's shit.
So it must be good

>>7664222
This is why I said I hate reddit, I agree with all that. But the person I was initially replying to implied they suck because LMAO STILL READING VONNEKEK XD. My point was that, community shittiness aside, their taste is a bit of a mix but there are clearly redditors that are very well-read.

>>7663339
Nah
>clumsy plot writing
>writing style consists of sentimental platitudes
>people constantly "in raptures", giving "twisted smiles", in "ecstasies", etc
>DUDE GOD LMAO
>Several chapters of pure filler

I'll agree it's a beautiful and passionate book, but it's not perfect

>>7664233
read this last year, had a blast. Has some great moments.

>>7663940
The shitty romcom peddler himself, you mean.

>>7664190
>>7664199
This.

Corncob "tortillas" YeCarthy is the most overrated hack of our times.

>>7664184
Vonnegut was top when i posted it followed by three YA authors. I didn't see McCarthy because I couldn't be bothered to stay that long in the thread

>>7664363
I didn't say all of reddit though did I? I specifically said in my post prior to that /r/books which, I admit must have members who are well read, but the majority of them stick to places like r/askliterarystudies. r/books is made up largely of people who don't read very much. I think its fair to say that that board is shit and represents the point i was making and what >>7664222 said

>>7664486
r/books enjoys the idea of reading more than reading

>>7663479
>pedophile's handbook
>purple prose
>gratuitous french
No doubt one of the greatest books ever senpai. :^)

>>7664486
yea you have great threads like this one

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskLiteraryStudies/comments/449zwe/a_professor_of_mine_who_taught_early_20th_century/

which is basically an open invitation of "let's all feel good about ourselves and how progressive we are by slamming a a guy as a racist based on two phrases"

disgusting desu

>one guy dares to pose a contrary opinion (hail st. bloom), has 20 downvotes (in a tiny sub)

>>7664500
>pedophile handbook

confirmed hasn't read the book/too dumb to understand it

>>7664500
> Lolita
> "pedophile's handbook"

I don't think you know what Lolita actually is. Lazy bait 0/10.

>>7664502
yeah you're right. But I'd say that's mainly because of the points system. Appearing to be progressive is entwined with intellectuality in common society for whatever reason. You get this self-righteous brigade whenever there is a cost to dissent. Doesn't mean that the sub isn't the better out of the two though

>>7664530
The points system is what makes reddit a shitty place to have any sort of discussion about anything overall. That and the overwrought posting restrictions. The userbase is a small portion of the problem comparatively. It's just an absolutely useless platform.

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Like a black coffee there is nothing wrong with it.

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thistobehonestfamily

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This

>>7664806
>mccarthy

into the trash it goes

>>7664838
this maybe. a masterpiece with no current memes (as far as I know)

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>>7663191

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>>7664838
>>7664848
>reading translations

>>7664858
Beckett translated at least one himself (the best one), so...

>>7664856
>no capital letters
fucking what

>>7664891
This, triggered.

>>7664891
>>7664935
#ugh
#groanzone

>>7663405
>Job
great taste

>>7663198
>he doesn't think the whale is a fish

>>7664945
:^)

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>>7663191

>>7663265
0/10

>>7665038
this is derided as entry-level and reddit tier regularly

>>7665074
Still flawless

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ALL ABOARD THE TOLSTOY TRAIN

>>7665128
A little too long. A rollicking historical novel written for the general reader, specifically for the young. Artistically unsatisfying. Cumbersome messages, didactic interludes, artificial coincidences. Uncritical of its historical sources.

>>7665123
Flawlesness is just half of the story, OP is asking also for a book that's considered as GOAT by /lit. OHYOS is not considered uncontroversially god by /lit,

>>7665138
Oh well then this>>7665128

>>7663191

Don Quixote. Everyone who read the whole book should agree on this.

>>7663191
I agree that prose is good, and all those whale references to life overrall were cool; but i thought its bit autistic, i dont think we need chapter about every simple thing in whale boat, i would like this place filled with actual plot and character development outside Ahab (for example Starbuck is barely touched)
>>7663199
Borges is smart and witty and kybalistic but genius? Nah
>>7663206
Would agree with Dante but he is kinda difficult, and his morality varied with modern reader. Lyrically and ideas are beautiful
>>7663428
Agree with Lolita
>>7663433
To much farting and vormiting, ad boring stories, maybe i should read part 2 tho
>>7663442
Agree with Moliere
>>7663897
Illiad is dry and repetive

>>7665174

LOL

It's funny how you had to post this right after mine. You seem to have read everything. Not having Don Quixote as your favourite is weird. Or is it that you didn't really read it.

>>7665174

Besides, there's really just one story. It's all connected, you see.

>>7665174

I haven't read any of the others. Who does?

>>7665174
I really felt that book 2 is when Cervantes really upped his writing style. Book 1 was largely repetetive, and although enjoyable seemed a little shallow. Book 2 is nothing short of incredible. A funny and intelligent novel.

>>7664044
My copy is like 630 pages long, not including end notes and introduction.

>>7663428
>Lolita
>Liking purple prose the book
Nabokov is a try-hard talentless hack.

>>7665462
Nice meme

>>7663191
that book looks boring as fuck tho

>>7665462
>>7666546
>a book for pedophiles
I bet that that's why the book is so famous and loved; because it promotes and normalizes pedophilia.

>>7663829
That's Sabto's worst, you pleb

>>7663198
>nobody who replies points out that this is an obvious ruse

>>7665133
Trying to write like Nabokov's critical notes. Greentext without the arrows. Aesthetically flat, means nothing to me.