I fell for le follow ur passions XD meme

>>7395511
>56k in debt

Land of the free.

I don't understand. If you're that much in debt you either went to a very expensive school or you're retarded (taking like 6 years at a public uni? Not receiving any scholarships or grants). If the former, your degree is far from useless and your school will take your places by itself. If the latter, well, you're retarded and wouldn't get hired anywhere no matter what.

I graduated with a BA in Comparative Literature from a second-tier state school 2 years ago and make 80k a year, fuck off with your complaints

>>7395599
You selling insurance or some shit? Computers? Tell me your god damn secrets oh wealthy one

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>he didn't double major in both STEM and the fine arts

>>7395618
Basically this. Go for an easy but profitable STEM major as well as the humanities major you really want. Fuck yea

>>7395511

>he is in this position
>he is a conservative who believes the evil social justice warrior feminists are the root of all evil
>he won't be voting for Bernie Sanders

>>7395599
I love to wake up to the sound of complete bullshits.

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>>7395511
>mfw making 160k annually without a degree

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>>7395622
>stem
>easy
Would that I could math like you senpai. Some of us are just stupid so we turn to humanities cause it's the only thing I can do.
it's too late for me senpai

>>7395752
You're just making excuses for yourself. Anyone can go back and fill in the gaps of understanding. We have the fucking internet.

>>7395755
>what is dyscalculia

>>7395752
I majored in electrical engineering. Engineering is objectively the hardest stem major in terms of workload and cognitive overhead. We learn the most theory and practical application and we have to know it better than physics and math fags because unlike them we're actually responsible if shit blows up in the real world while they can stay in the ivory towers of academic and sniff their own farts all day long.

>>7395755
>le you can be anything you want meme
You need at least 130 IQ to succeed in engineering. Sorry mate but if you don't make the cut off you'll never be an engineer.

>>7395752
what

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>>7395758
>Engineering is objectively the hardest STEM major

>>7395757
>>7395758
Ok, continue your self-defeating philosophy then.
>You need at least 130 IQ
Le IQ meme. I've never been tested but I really doubt I exceed 130 and many people I work with are orders of magnitude intellectually inferior. "Natural ability" only exceeds effort at the extremely competitive level, like olympic athletes. Otherwise, really, get the fuck out of here. I'm >>7395747

I graduated with an english degree, went for my masters immediately after, and I'm making a comfy 60k/yr right now while casually working on my Ph.D

In my area 60k/yr is totally sufficient for me and my wife. she has some hobby jobs and takes care of the house. pulls in maybe 15k/yr to get the books she wants, pay for her netflix, buy gas, she buys most of our groceries, etc.

I pay the cars, house, utilities, etc.


life isn't that hard man. Just don't get down on yourself. Do the best you can, and seriously, follow your passion.

Talk to an advisor at your university and tell them employment concerns you. Even if you've graduated. Just make an appointment through your school email, and drive up there to talk. Part of their job is to help with that.

>>7395786
just be yourself

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>>7395774
The hardest course in CS is discrete mathematics which is just watered down combinatorics and number theory AKA a for dummies course. This is a real textbook made for CS students. Real analysis is the weedout course for math majors because they're actually dumb as hell and can barely do proofs. Physics fags think they're good at math but they're sloppy and actually suck at it more than mathfags. Engineers breeze through all of these courses and pass them with flying colors.

>>7395777
It's only self defeating if your IQ is below 130.

>>7395777
also
>and many people I work with are orders of magnitude intellectually inferior
lol... hang around some engineers we'll make you look like a retard and rid you of that false sense of superiority

>>7395795
I do.

>>7395752
Anyone can learn basic algebra and apply it to CS and upon graduating be a codemonkey for a big, comfy company. I was shit at math too, but it's really just a language, and teachers are too shitty these days to teach it at a conceptual level so that students can assimilate systems into their minds instead of rote memorization.

>>7395511
>does not apply to Americans

should have read the small print

>>7395786
What is your position exactly and what does it entail?

>>7395774
FYI, academic ivory tower stem majors (all non engineering majors) are essentially a dumping ground for people who failed to make it in the hyper competitive cut throat world of engineering. you bought into the myth that abstract = smarter. actually, we know all that abstract shite too, and we know it better than you do, and we make more money than you because youre going to spend all your life going postdoc to postdoc, fighting for some tenure track position that they're just going to give to some jew through nepotism

>>7395752
>>7395804

If you really want to learn math the actual and interesting way, watch this series:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CqzHIeB9D8

>>7395811
>engineers are good at math
HAHAHAHA

>>7395811

This is the most bait thing I've ever read

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>>7395816
>learning through YouTube

>>7395811
Studying pure mathematics is rewarding in and of itself anon, people that make it far enough to do research are passionate enough about it not to care that some engineer is making more money than them. Not everybody values materialism as much as you

>>7395828
Plenty of verifiable sources are on YouTube.

You clearly fell for the "I'm a humanities person, I'm bad at math" meme anon, I'm sorry tbqh :(

>>7395830
Almost nothing in comparison with the abundance of mediocre and quite frequently wrong material. The medium itself will never bring as much knowledge as a book so in the very best it would still be a low-level introductory course. It's like learning history with the television. Drop it and find a decent reference, you'll gain far more and save up a lot of time by the way plus, regarding the mathematics, I do think anything not strictly restricted to a physical book will deteriorate your concentration.

>>7395839
I'm studying for things that require a pretty basic understanding, as a frosh. For someone bad at math, this is a great place to start to set the foundations without overwhelming yourself with the abstracts most books can contain. It also utilizes the visual aspect of learning which is extremely powerful.

ITT: 'academics' that still post on 4chan

>>7395822
let me guess, you think math majors are better at math than engineers. L.M.A.O. son, a fucking computer scientist called LESLIE (not a woman) schooled your entire profession. none of you faggots know how to do proper proofs.

http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/people/lamport/pubs/proof.pdf

>>7395829
>throwing your life away to do "research" that you can easily do on your own and through self organized collaborations with mathematicians at universities
it's not biochemistry, you don't need expensive equipment, fag. let's look at what math research actually consists of.

https://www.reddit.com/r/math/comments/212ew4/what_is_mathematics_research_really_like/

>watching youtube videos
>drinking coffee
>scratching your balls
>being confused because you're too dumb for math because the smartest people who actually had talent for math went into engineering or (if they made a terrible life choice and majored in math) got picked up by some hedge fund

it's almost like you could just do that on your own and submit your shitty papers to the annals of mathematics.

>>7395822
btw, mathematicians are also philosophically inept and don't even like logic. further proof that they suck at their own craft.

homepage.sns.it/lolli/articoli/Lolli.pdf

>>7395511
You failed it you mean. You didn't follow your passions, you vaguely gestured towards them in the distance. Those who truly follow, take chase, make it. You never had what it takes. You fell by your own poor judgement.

and so did I

>>7395851
>Leslie Lamport
>A graduate of the Bronx High School of Science, he received a B.S. in mathematics from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in 1960, and M.A. and Ph.D. degrees in mathematics from Brandeis University, respectively in 1963 and 1972.[9] His dissertation was about singularities in analytic partial differential equations

just sayin

>>7395855
I like logic tho

>>7395851
idk im pretty sure engineers only have to learn up to calc3 and sometime maybe difeqs, which are babby tier to be honest anon

>>7395856
Powerful.

Same thing happened here. I'm a no good lazy sack of shit that deserved to fail in highschool but ended up in university where they also refused to fail me. It's not really the kids fault he ends up in 56k debt with no job prospects when the system refused to fail him, or refused to distinguish the true academics from people like me and him.

We're not dumb, we just never belonged in academia and they didn't want to hurt our feelings so they never told us.

After graduating last year with a stem degree the only job I got was digging holes for fencing companies and whatnot. Next year I'm going to a technical college to learn a high demand trade with good upward mobility and salaries. I wish I just did this out of highschool.

>>7395791
Never met an engineer who could actually do a proof because they just memorize them :^)

As a freshman who just switched from chemE to English, this post is quite nerve inducing. Fuck.

Stop whining. You can get a degree in anything and find a damned job - you need communication skills like everybody else! Join the civil service or something, christ. Or hell, your postal service.

>>7395511
It's your fault. You're only meant to follow your passions if your good at it. If you were good enough you would be a published writer right now, instead of complaining.

>>7395511
Did you get a high GPA? Did you consider additional post-graduate education? Did you seek interships and career placements during uni? Did you network? Did you research your job opportunities? Did you improve you standing in work markets through training or education specific in those issues?

If you said no to most of these things, yes, I can understand that your degree might be worthless. But English degree go far. It's not niche, it's not social anthropology or actuarian science. Language is at use everywhere. Fucking use it. You've spend four years mastering your native language and now you post trite memes on 4chan? Where is the ambition to rise above mediocrity?

>>7395892
>If you can cater to most of the established population you would be a published writer by now

Publishing houses are a business. They don't give a shit about what's good or not. By that logic Stephanie meyer is a great writer with lotsa talent

3/10 made me respond

>>7395921
More talent than most of the plebs here. 90% or more of the stuff posted in critique threads isn't any better.

>>7395933
And where did you get your graduate degree, Professor Lit?

OP first off

-how recently did you graduate
-this feeling is completely normal. it like your mom kicked you out of your house now you have to fend for yourself and you don't know how. So you blame the people who you felt should've prepared you for this, and gave you all the pertinent information, when in reality. It was all you even while you were in college. You've just never had any time to let the knowledge cure/ferment within your mind. BUT DO NOT FRET. though it may take a while, years in fact, this knowledge will resurface in the most astounding way.
Keep with your passion. Stay up to date in your field even if you are out of academia, or just take some refresher courses, watch some youtube videos.

>>7395874
Don't worry, both fields are exactly as employable as each other.

better then the stem meme.

>>7395936
>you need advanced education to state the obvious

No wonder education is declining.

>>7395939
>better then

>>7395940
Talent is very subjective and it's really unlikely some person on /lit/ without any formal education is going to know how to evaluate it properly.

>>7395943
If it's subjective then no one knows how to evaluate it properly, considering there are no objective parameters.

>>7395947
My mistake. However, there are more educated ways to evaluate the writing you see here. Think about it... would you want someone without a high school degree editing your papers or someone with a college degree in English? ... College education isn't an end-all-be-all thing, but it is an indicator.

>>7395947
Everything is subjective. The reality we experience is all in our heads. If I believe in something strong enough to instantiate it into existence in my reality through the sheer power of imagination, it's as real as anything else. So reality is a subjective social construction.

I talked to someone who just fucked off their student loans after graduating.
he just says he doesn't get a yearly tax refund check anymore.

>>7395962
The gubmint can so a whole lot more than that, I don't know what the deal is with your friend.
http://blog.credit.com/2015/06/what-happens-if-i-ignore-my-student-loans-84434/

Learn how to handle debt like a true american.

>Hi, we're calling about your defaulted student loans.
>What student loans?
>Uh, the one hundred and twenty thousand you own on your college loans.
>I never went to college.
>Uh...yeah, you did, it says right here.
>Prove i went to college. Get my transcripts.
>Uh...well...we can't get your transcripts because your college won't release them to anyone if you've defaulted on your loans.
>Really? Wow, funny how that works, huh? But like i said i never went to college, don't have any loans.
>Yes you do! You signed a borrowers agreement!
>Did I, can you find a copy of that?
>Uh, sure we can!
>Well find one, send it to me.
>We will!
>Alright, good, get right on that.

Never hear from them again. I mean, they could probably take me to court and sue the shit out of me but, I don't have anything. There's a lot to be said for being "uncollectable"

>>7395511
WHAT DO YOU DO WITH A BA IN ENGLISH

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>bilingual English major
>any teaching job I want
>20k starting

>>7396123
That is great. Any more fraud stories?

>>7395511
use it to teach in other countries. its an opportunity to see the world and make some money doing so

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>>7396174
Fight for the resistance in Syria, write a great book about it. Profit

>>7395791
Discrete mathematics is the easiest cs course. The hardest at my school was operating system but that was optional. Hardest we had to take was probably low level programming or algorithms.
Also if you think engineers can bang out real analysis then you haven't fucking taken real analysis. That shit is hard.

>live in Sweden
>go to med school
>not only is it free, socialist government PAYS students for going to university
>when I'm done I can move to a country with a lower tax burden and rake in the cash because doctors are welcomed and find jobs easily wherever they go
>enjoy reading and writing in my leisure time like other doctors/writers e.g. Keats, Chekhov, Conan Doyle, Lem
get fucked Englishfags

>>7396206
Vollmann pls go

>>7396198
>hi, we're calling from your subconcious about your repressed sexual desires
>what desires?
>Uh, the one about your mother in the bathroom when you were like two and she bathed with you
>I never did that
>Uh, yeah, you did, it says right here
>prove I bathed with my mother.
>Uh... well... we can't get your memories because your negation mechanism won't release them until you've accepted them
>really? wow, funny how that worls uh? But like I said I never saw my mother's hairy vagina in the bath
>Yes you did! you were two!
>did I, can I remember it?
>Uh, sure you can
>well no i can't
>you will! I'm sending you a packet of uncomfortable dreams and awkward boners
>Alright, good, get right on that

Never heard from them again. I mean, my mother is hot, but I was like two so it's ok. There's a lot to be said for being "incestuous"

.t Sigmund Fraud

>>7395758
>We learn the most theory and practical application and we have to know it better than physics and math fags
Almost made me write a reply.

>>7396206
>literally being on the side of terrorism

>>7395511
If it isn't worth it to you then you didn't follow your passion. And if you can't find a decent job as an English major then you were prob just a shit student.

In other words, nobody fucked you but you.

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>>7395511
>rejected my passions and dropped out of conservatory
>started a STEM degree
>hated it despite managing it really well
>drop out
>now a depressed, unmotivated NEET wanting to get back into music but have been avoiding doing it for so long that I'm incredibly out of practice and overwhelmed by getting started again
I think you did the right thing man.

>>7395867
>Next year I'm going to a technical college to learn a high demand trade with good upward mobility and salaries. I wish I just did this out of highschool.
i'm considering this as well. Do you know what you want to go for?

>>7395511
>56 k in debt

are STEM degrees for free?

>>7395542
this
your education system is a trap.

>>7396174
Travel to a non-english speaking country and get a teaching job.

>>7396313
This. It's actually very easy to get a job as a support teacher in asian countries. You don't have to speak the native language and you don't really even need an English degree.

>>7395511
I'd rather live on shit money but have a platform to communicate to the world than make a decent living doing some computer programming shit.

You have a great tool, NOW find and follow your passion, faggot.

>>7395961
>People believe this unironically
family

>>7395609
I sell insurance and only make 15k a year heehee

>>7396428

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>>>/sci/7684087

who here majoring in english even though they were a very competent STEM student in high school? (straight A's without much effort, enjoyed grasping things systematically, etc)

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I'm in my last year of med school, other than working for 65 hours a week for the last 6 months I feel pretty great

>>7396294

Right now I'm looking into power engineering. It's a solid career in high demand with excellent wages and a lot of upward mobility. My science background will make it easier for me advance to supervision/ management roles because you need a decent amount of chem/phys/math ability.

It's shift work, so you get a lot of time off while also working a lot of hours. So I'll still be able to live the /lit/erary life

>>7395791
The most difficult are the hardware courses and Linear Algebra and/or Statistics, IMHO.

>>7395511
The catch is that this only applies if you actually have a passion to follow. Otherwise you need to to some cost-benefit analysis and soul-searching.

>>7395786
>life isn't that hard
Fuck you

>>7395758
Clever bait. Everyone knows that engineering courses are almost entirely problem solving, very little "why it do dat," which comprises the majority of physics courses.

>>7395511
>OP isn't creative enough to figure out how to apply his degree to more than just EXACTLY what he did in classes
>OP may be an English major, but he's thinking like a STEMfag

>>7395747
holy fuck i lol'd at that pic

>>7395622
>Go for an easy but profitable STEM major
Yeah because no one else would ever have that idea.

>This is the level of retard you post with.

>>7395791
le medium quality bait

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>>7395511
>Quit high school at the start of the 11th grade, at 16 social anxiety mang

>enter uni through program at age 21, finally can step onto a campus without having a breakdown

>they only let you do take humanities courses because no stem prereqs from high school

>Only doing part time right now so I haven't entered into any programs
thinking of going back and finishing my high school math and getting a major in math/phl
Or I can stay on my path and get my double major in english/lit.

Math will make me more employable, but I want to write books for a living, make music as well. If i can't do these things I'm convinced I will suicide as these are the things that give my life any meaning

Has anyone had any experience in studying math casually good knowledge but without a degree? Is it as employable as someone who is a capable programmer, for instance?

>>7395511
I'd mock you for doing that but I've seen worse. I know people who went to fancy private schools for Communications degrees. They learned Communications "theory" and not application so they work at jobs like hotel booking.

Scholarships were the diggity as an undergrad. Paid for a new car and my mortgage down payment.

That said, went 18k out of pocket for my Masters in English to earn 33k to teach at the uni level. Higher education is a shit place to teach lately. Tenure track is pretty unattainable as well.

>>7395786
WTF are you doing that earns 60k and gives you the time to earn a PhD?

>>7396212
Well that's what happens when we let consumerism get the best of us. In a mere decade we get 400 flavors of Chips Ahoy and everyone goes on welfare from the 'beetus. In between blowing up brown people and spending cash on health issues that could be nonexistent if we had preventative healthcare, there's no more money to go around.

>>7395511
>Not getting a full tuition scholarship by putting in minimal effort in high school
Feels gooooood

>>7398696
Not everyone is black or a genius

>>7395758
By hard you mean referencing your how to live in poverty volume 2 and dick sucking with applications

engineering isnt that hard and neither are many other ego stroking fields. every field of science can be extremely hard based upon the level of detail you go into it

>>7396604
that isnt that bad, i had to work 18 hours a day for a straight year -_-

looking forward to the easy lab life coming to me soon

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>Follow your passions means take out a huge loan to finance an education you don't need

>Your ultimate passion is the modern academic study of 'English' which is actually a mishmash of writing history, theory and semiotics

Fuck you OP

>>7395511
That's what you get from living in a third world shithole. Should've emmigrated first.

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>>7398504
you're my clone. or i'm your clone.
>left highschool at 16 due to anxiety depression health issues blah blah
>did correspondence work from home
>manage to scrape through into uni at 19, no possibility of doing anything other than humanities (not like i could pull STEM off if i wanted to anyway)
>second thoughts about the whole thing, only really going to buy myself time and make my mother proud as it is her life long wish kind of thing and she's paying for most of it
>writing major
i'm also obsessive over my hobbies of writing and making music

seeing as our lives are so similar, i'll assume it's down to similarity in character and give my thoughts.

i think people like you and me really should not worry about employability; even 'normal' people find working typical jobs depressing, let alone people with social anxiety issues (which are not going to help at all for getting a job in the first place) and people who want to create meaning through their work. i'm hedging my bets on self employment. i don't know if that's smart, i think it probably isn't, but for me it's the only option that won't lead to self loathing.

passion is the REAL, the genuine motivator - not just for us, but for everyone. however, the fact that we've already become aware of that and now cling to our passions ('hobbies') will make working outside of those fields of interest all the more soul sucking.

because you are concerned about this 'meaning' i think that sticking with your current major, or maybe switching to creative writing, is the answer - unless you truly think you need this 'employability' and will be able to find meaning in 'writing' C# code or spreadsheets. however, i don't know your financial situation, mine is quite lucky. ultimately it is a portfolio that will help you to make a living writing books or music, and if you do not think university is paying off in that regard you may want to consider taking a dayjob - but don't give up on your passions, now that you've been lucky enough to actually FIND them.

i think that's OP's problem and those with similar stories. did they focus on their PASSION, or their 'interest'?:::

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKHTawgyKWQ

>>7396292
Get back to it you silly fuck. Quick.

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>>7398990
>hedging my bets
actually, i'm not doing that, am i. some writing major.

>>7398475
Lol, what? are you baiting me? you just took what I said completely out of context, and forgot to include half of my post, so of course you're going to think I'm stating something painfully obvious.

>>7398700

>Not everyone is black or a genius
At my state's flagship universities, you only need a 28 on the ACT to get half tuition automatically. With a 34 or better you get full tuition and a little extra, no matter who you are. It does not take a generational genius to make a high score on the SAT and ACT.

Shit, in Georgia anyone with a 30 ACT gets nearly free tuition as long as they made a 3.0 GPA.

>>7398964
This. Studying literature does not make you a writer or anything but a candidate for grad school in literature and jobs where strong language skills are good.