Trump Sides With Baker In Same-Sex Wedding Cake Case

>>8852410
as long as he goes after the trannies it's all good with me tbhon - gay

It's fine. I'll just take my business elsewhere

Not a Trump supporter though, but I do support businesses excluding anyone they wish (and before anyone says it, yes, that includes race)

>>8852423
we don't need any anti discrimination laws.
want to open a club or business that excludes jews? fine. that doesn't harm jews. jewish people can have their own club or store.
all businesses should be able to discriminate.

>>8852414
Enjoy getting fired cause they find your sexual life revolting. Or getting blackmailed by people on grindr. At least trannies can change their birth certificate and hide.

Not a trump fan but that whole case was disgusting from the side of the gay couple. Theses like an infinite amount of bakeries. They push a religious couple to go against their beliefs and when the religious people decline they try to cause a shit storm.

I may not agree with the bakers, but I cannot just force them to throw away their beliefs and go against their principles....

>>8852434
I'm hoping Trump bans all legal gender change and basically makes being a tranny illegal. Most people don't GAF about normal gays so we'll be okay. You ruined the reputation of gays and turned us into screeching blue haired SJWs who go after children. You're going to pay for it.

>>8852448
>implying trannies did this and not tumblrina cis women

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>>8852448
>implying this would ever happen

He can't even ban them from the military

>>8852448
Why when all the doctors think otherwise and he had trannies in his miss universe? You can't ban hospitals from giving medical care. It's all the men in speedos giving kids piggy back rides in pride parades that scared away americans.

Same goes for being too forceful about your marriage and getting all full of yourself.

>>8852456
True, Mattis blocked him lol

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>>8852410
when will conservatives realize the precedent this would set opens the door to sharia law? you don't like what they're doing? refusing you service because you're not a Muslim? too bad, it's their sincerely held religious beliefs.

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>>8852410
On one hand, I applaud this decision because of the sanctity of "muh choice" - you can't force me to make a product that's against my "moral" convictions.

On the other hand, if you are in baking business (or any other business for that matter) you are FUCKING expected to craft cakes. You are no church institution and your religious beliefs do not belong in my cakes. You will craft that 12" black cock-shaped cake that I want for my gay marriage and you will accept my money, slut.

>>8852410
>yet more 'bake the cake, BIGOT' shit

for real, go to a different bakery ffs

>but i shouldn't have to anon!

true, but come on. why would you insist on paying money to someone who hates you? you don't 'win' against the baker by buying their products, but rather keep them in business

this logic is as weird as vegetarians eating meat whilst loudly complaining about it the whole time, you still support the industry despite your apparent opposition

(i also believe businesses should refuse the right to serve anyone for any reason - no shirt no shoes etc. yes this might be a problem in some areas, e.g. flaming fags in conservative areas but having worked in retail this rule is absolutely golden)

>>8852448
>>8852410
http://fortune.com/2017/07/27/trump-department-justice-gay-workplace-discrimination/

Looks like all those times you went around in speedos for a pride parade with kids next to you are taking a political toll.

>>8852410
Good, the cake story was a bullshit cash grab from the start.

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>>8852465
That's fine. A very reasonable and measured position. Only trouble is this means your boss can fire you now that he thinks your getting down with men is gross and your landlord can take you money and still kick you out for it.

>>8852470
> literally sterilize and mutilate children
> think anything else matters in comparison
If I've learned one thing it's that the conservative christians were right: there was a slippery slope.

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I'm convinced we're being brigaded.
You have to go back.

>>8852483

Nothing about blockers sterilizes. On the other hand, all those times gays like you promoted circumsission cause you find dick mutilation hot sure must have gone over well.

Do something about the kids and speedos cause that's honstly creepy and a PR disaster.

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>>8852432
>African-American patron going in colored entrance of the Crescent Theatre in Belzoni, Mississippi, on a Saturday afternoon.

Would you be okay with this, then? Keep in mind that it's in every single store and black people don't own their own stores because all of the wealth is in the hands of the whites.

>>8852483
>muh slippery slope
Go back whence you came, low-IQ /pol/tard.

>>8852448
when will /pol/tards realize a president isn't a dictator?

>>8852491
You aren't. Getting told trump through polgb under the bus is just pointing out facts.

>>8852483
>using children to further your agenda

Deplorable

>>8852496
> black people don't own their own stores because all of the wealth is in the hands of the whites.
Your economics is shit. Wealth is created by labor. Blacks owned lots of stores under segregation. There was a black wall street.

>>8852493
> kids know their identity after 3
> we need blockers to buy time
Blockers fuck kids up you retard. They turn them into trannies.

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>>8852410
Finally.

>>8852410
>b-but its der freedumb of speach!
No one, not the media or the law would have taken their side if it was a bakery refusing to serve a black couple because they felt it was their right to refuse to serve black people since they don't like them

>>8852481
said serve not employ, agree with employment protections although they don't do a whole lot - i have been fired from a position due to 'downsizing' of a business - a month later they were advertising for a position very similar to my old one but not exactly the same. pretty sure i was let go for being a suspected gay, no way to prove it though

moral of the story - if an employer really wants rid of you, they can fire you. just not allowed to write 'I H8 FAGS' as the reason for dismissal

>>8852561
This. See >>8852462

>>8852462
It will be our, Christian law you godless heathen.

>>8852590
>Christian law
You mean a low quality knockoff of the Jewish law? :^)

>>8852410
Nobody owes you their labor, no matter how much you hate them for being Christian

>>8852496
jim crow was the law, that's not the same as allowing people to discriminate or not discriminate, they were required to discriminate

Just fucking go to another bakery.

Why are you forcing bigots to take your money?

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>>8852448
He can't actually retroactively change people's gender back that have already been changed, and the federal government only has authority over passports and social security when it comes to gender change (names, ID, bank accounts, insurance etc, are all information delegated to the state, and some states like Washington have constitutional protections for trans people). Additionally, if someone's gender is changed in all respects by the individual state, they could have have a strong and valid legal challenge if the passport and social security laws were changed such that they could no longer change their gender with them (since unlike getting married, everyone is required to have a social security ID, and discrepancies between state and federal Identification could cause undue duress and legal difficulties)

Additionally, in regards to insurance, while the federal government has some control over nationwide policies, individual states still have the right to dictate what policies are acceptable in them, and again, Washington state (and a few others) mandates that insurance providers cover transition related healthcare if comparable health care is covered for cis people (such as, HRT for menopausal women, T for low-T men, viagra, vasectomies, prostate drugs and treatments, acne medication, etc.), and in order to restrict that on a federal level would require basically pissing off every person over the age of 40 without super expensive healthcare plans, which is probably one of the stupidest moves a republican (or hell, a democrat, anyone, fucking with old people and their right to get boners is political suicide ) could make.

Basically without authoritarian overreach which would set a horrifying precedent, or smaller measures that would be jammed up in courts almost immediately, there is actually very little that Trump could do to make "being trans illegal" at least country wide, all he could do is make life harder for trans people.

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>>8852410

1. I take cake any way I can get it.
2. Gay marriage is fundamentally a misinformed and ridiculous concept. Moreover, it doesn't exist just because there are absurd government papers claiming it does. Government decree can no more create a marriage between two people of the same sex than a government decree can turn birds into fish
3. If I actually wanted a gay wedding cake, there are plenty of people willing to take my money. I dont have to attack some poor Christian with an army of lawyers to push my values and respect theirs.

Cake. Chicken sandwiches. Pizza. The whole goddam thing is ridiculous.

If you think you can slide a wedge between me and Trump or /pol/, guess again. Rules create roles, and both are what keep us from devolving back into apes. If, when, men decide to run us down like dogs to lynch us, you bet Im gonna run for my life. But I'm not stupid enough to think its my place to tell them what to do. Every now and then you have an age of mad kings. It just happens. The solution is not to put a bunch of fags and females in charge of how nature and the world works. Thats why we have the mess we do now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSBFTKI-zIM

>>8852481
>your landlord can take you money and still kick you out for it.
They can't, actually, that's called Theft

>>8852410
He's not wrong though. You can just order a cake from a different baker.

If anything, anti-discrimination laws should be abolished so we can ban women out of gay clubs.

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>>8852440

Amen & well said.

>>8852448

I think people should be able to be trans. I just dont want anything pushed on kids. You have to culturally encourage heterosexuality for a society to continue, and we have a hard enough time with that as it is. A kid growing up straight can make the choice to switch to homosex or some such later. The reverse isn't anywhere near as easy. They should at least have the chance for a normal life if they want one. There is no virtue in ego and laziness.

BAKE THE FUCKING CAKE BREEDER SCUM REEEE

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>>8852481

I would rather society have that freedom. Our freedom of association is all but extinct as it is.

Maybe a little more closet would force gays to grow up and have a little sense of decorum. No one cares what you do as long as you arent creating disruption to others. A culture, community, workplace whatever, is a valuable thing. It unites people. The world shouldn't have to stop just to spare one egomaniac offense. You dont choose your attraction, but goddammit, you are responsible for the consequences of your behavior when it is public.

Responsibility is a power that gives you the control on deciding what you can do to solve a problem instead of hoping in cowered fear about what will happen to you. You just have to have some priorities that put society's health above your own ego.

>>8852609
They are next.

>>8852929
BLESS THIS POST

>>8852410
>it's ok to tech companies to discriminate against and silence right-wingers
>but it's not ok to christian bakers to refuse to bake a cake for gay wedding

Yeah, no, eat shit. Private discrimination is for everybody or nobody.

>>8852929
>Maybe a little more closet would force gays to grow up and have a little sense of decorum.
Maybe giving up your individuality to become a cog in a society that routinely lies about it's wants, needs, and desires for no other reason that 'thats the way its always been' like I did will teach you to do as I did.

Seems a bit redundant. And retarded. Your 'decorum' is ~your~ problem, asshole, and LITERALLY no one else's. We're sorry you're too cowardly to live your own life.

>>8853169
>I'll have sex in the streets and raise my children to be drag queens, don't you judge me, asshole
>uggh why are you discriminating against me?? ;_;
>GOVERNMENT, FORCE THEM TO SERVE ME
>why does everyone resent me?? ;_;

>>8852929
Most issues with gays are BECAUSE of the closet, /pol/ faggot.

>>8853237
such as?

>>8852410
friendly reminder that when you fixate on anomalies like this you make yourself into zealots that everybody hates
you also make yourselves personally miserable

>>8853215
You're too retarded to live if you think shit like drag didn't come out of the closet and societal rejection.

>>8853241
Non-monogamy being the biggest one

>>8853245
what does that have to do with my post?

>>8853250
gays aren't monogamous because they aren't having sex in the street?

>>8852462
People understand the implications of this precedent, it's just perfectly reasonable for religious rights to trump the rights of other groups even if they were legally protected in limited cases. Wedding catering is an entirely frivolous need and the government doesn't need to step in and force Christians to cater gay weddings. Religions are already allowed to discriminate on the basis of gender. Mosques are gender segregated and many roles are unavailable to women. Nobody cares because that's part of their religious freedom.

Were the issue at hand that a Christian didn't want to rent a cheap room with 1 double bed to a gay couple, then I would side more with the faggots because that's a problem with much more tangible financial consequences. Not getting a wedding cake for your gay wedding mostly hurts peoples feels and I really don't give a shit about faggots feels.

>>8853270
I think it's a problem of more vs less government interference. The less rules/regulations the gov in your life the better, regardless of the situation.

>>8853258
What? No, because they were rejected from society they ended up seeing monogamy as useless because they couldn't get married so instead turned to lives of promiscuity and "sex in the street"

>>8852463
Do you commission furry porn from regular artists and get pissy with them when them and call them sluts when they refuse?

>>8853279
I am in favor of government interference in favor of protecting LGBT people from discriminatory treatment if the discrimination in question interferes with something that is nessecary to live an independant productive life. Such as protections for employment, housing, and education. Things get more blurry when we start talking about peoples right to not have their feels hurt by bosses/teachers/landlords, but generally I don't want to see people barred from school, housing, or jobs because they're LGBT.

Wedding cakes though? Nobody needs a fucking wedding cake. Besides, you could go to another shop, apply pressure using a boycott without involving the government, or very easily trick the Christian bakers into unwittingly making a wedding cake for a gay couple with a friends help.

>>8853317
>Such as protections for employment, housing, and education
They already exist outside of adding sexuality to the list of protected classes.

>>8853331
Only in some places for LGB, and practically nowhere for T. And people think *marriage* and *pronouns* are more important jfc

>>8853342
First of all, trans is a mental issue and should be treated as such. Now on to the first point: in the real world, no one gets fired simply for being gay, is denied entry to school for being gay, or kicked out of their apartment for being gay. The majority of the time, it's your actions that are judging factor in removal or denial, not that you like dick or pussy.

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>>8853342
Marriage gives LGBT people a lot of "rights" that they otherwise wouldn't have so it is worth fighting for.

>>8853342
>And people think *marriage* and *pronouns* are more important jfc
Virtue signalling.

>>8853285
When are you fags going to take some personal responsibility instead of blaming everything on society?You acting like over-sexed lunatics with the bug chasing and other assorted shit is somehow societies fault?

>>8853439
when is /pol/ going to stop blaming gay people for other fetishes?

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>>8853368
>trans is a mental issue and should be treated as such

it IS treated as such.
what do you think HRT and SRS are?

>no one gets fired simply for being gay or kicked out of their apartment for being ga

you're hopelessly naive
sadly, it happens all the time
the world is full of bigots
just because you haven't met them doesn't mean they don't exist

>>8852410
Why don't they go to a different baker instead of forcing them?

>>8853467
In the first world, we have laws that doesn't let you fire anyone unless it's work related.
You can go to court, idiot.

>>8853285
That is such bullshit.

>/lgbt/ defends this
ive never seen bigger group of self-hating cucks than this board tbhon

>>8853439
Because everything is influenced by society, whether you choose to acknowledge that doesn't matter. You're the kind of person who blames dead people for killing themselves instead of blaming the situations that caused them to be suicidal in the first place, aren't you? Oh how nice world it be if everyone could just be as responsible as 8853439? If everyone could just ignore their entire situation and do the right thing no matter what, what a world

>>8853595
Great rebuttal

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>>8853586
>idiot

Nice ad hominem.
But the reality is that those laws exist only in a few select places and they are often ignored.
Maybe do some research before running your mouth.

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le freer the market le freer the people !11

>>8853285
Not what we should go back to gay promiscuity but this retarded marriage-worship is why I'm against gay marriage.

>>8853626
Again, we have courts to decide what is legal and what is not. Many courts, federal and district. And if you were truly wronged, you get compensated. That's why we have lawyers and attorneys that fight for ALL people.

>>8853634
tbhon I love your posts

>>8853625
Because we couldn't get married, we hate monogamy. Having no marriage doesn't affect your loyalty to one person.

>>8853626
Unlawful termination, dumbass.

>>8853317
What if every baker in your city/state feels the same?

>>8853586
not in a right to work state

>>8853904
iirc in a right to work state you can still go to court if you suspect discrimination? but it's not like it matters, they can fire you for anything

>>8853940
you have to have fairly hard evidence it was for discrimination, and you have very few people wanting to back you up if you do take it to court compared to those states without it

>>8853617
>You're the kind of person who blames dead people for killing themselves instead of blaming the situations that caused them to be suicidal in the first place, aren't you?

no I blame the leftoids who push the ideology of Homo/transexuality on the young and impressionable

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>>8852410
Trump just says whatever he thinks his conservative base wants to hear.

The wedding cake issue has already been settled by the Supreme Court.

If you do business with the public you have to serve everyone and you can't discriminate.

Period.

I can't believe you're still talking about this.

>>8853976
>a bunch of people realized they're attracted to the same sex, or feel like they don't belong in their bodies, and decided to fight for acceptance
>this was all a vast leftist conspiracy to sterilize children and turn the frogs gay

>>8852410
So?

I don't see any reason anyone should be surprised, you could have accurately guessed this a year or two ago.

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>>8852929
I will for the life of me never understand how people think that image supports an argument in any shape or form.

Like why do people even use that image?

>>8853245
yeah, but that's no reason to force it on children

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>>8853991
>what is 'queer theory'?
>what is the frankfurt school?
>what is operation MONARCH?
you can take the blue pill and go home or take the redpill and see how deep the rabbit hole goes.

>>8854129
You probably need to stop looking things up and believing anything you read on the internet.

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>>8854148
B-but reptile aliens are ruling our flat earth!!

>>8853986
But that's wrong. Otherwise "no shirt, no shows, no service" policies are now illegal and club dress codes are illegal as well.

>>8854156
guys guys
nibiru's coming back THIS MONTH and the reptilians who live there are going to genetically experiment on us
>things /pol/ unironically says

>>8854259
No one on /pol/ unironically believes this or looks up to Alex Jones in case you're wondering.

>>8852410
>We should just nullify the constitution because it doesn't cater to a tiny minority!!

Get gassed.

>>8852448
T H I S

>>8852410
Why do you need to force anti-gay bakers to bake gay cakes? Is it a power fantasy? What if they spit in your cake?

the flag he was given at that one rally was decorated upside-down. obvious psyop

>>8852908
>can choose to switch to homosex later
>chance at a normal life
>ego and laziness

Wait what now? What makes people detached enough to actually think sexuality works this way for the vast majority of non-bi people? Or that society functions remotely like this? It's getting difficult to decipher the hazy, false associations in this thread.

>>8852929
>Responsibility is a power that gives you the control on deciding what you can do to solve a problem instead of hoping in cowered fear about what will happen to you. You just have to have some priorities that put society's health above your own ego.

What the actual fuck are you even saying? At least put it in clear English so I can tell if bait or you're creating a third rail connection between homosexuals and several unrelated social maladies. Pick one. Either way everything you said before that should apply to everyone IRL, so fine.

It's like you all see a few effeminate, ineffectual, demanding freaks on the cover of Time and suddenly think average gays who want to be left the fuck alone but still treated the same as everyone else are nonexistent. If you say so. Just tell me where to draw the right-to-deny service line. Remote gas stations? Hospitals? Public utilities?


I can respect opinions like this >>8852448 because they're coherent and it follows how someone came to such conclusions given how annoying some of the LGBT community is. But this hair brained strawman stuffed into right-wing echo chambers equating sexuality with egomania/laziness/socially encoded, like the fate of society rests in how far we let our kids stray toward the cock, all constructed by social police narcissists, is some fun mental jujitsu.

Fuck the cake and fuck politics. It's almost like this thread is filled with asocial libertarians and repressed bi-curious who enjoy the idea of sucking a dick but can't quite resolve it like adults, so it's time to deflect it all onto stupid wedge issues. Oh wait–

>>8854515
It's not even the real flag, it was missing the brown and black stripes.

>>8852908
>I think people should be able to be trans
I used to think that but I want them wiped out now desu
I don't mean dead, just they shouldn't be allowed to be legally trannies. We should not recognize their delusions.

>>8854225
Brb waiting for the hippy community to make a serious case before SCOTUS that hungrily walking up to the counter at Arby's with your man tits hanging out is an unavoidable part of your daily citizen routine

>>8854538
Lol what? You want a recognized treatment for a mental disorder outlawed? Do you want homosexuality outlawed too? Or just people you don't like?

>>8854538
I used to think gays were nice people who just wanted to be treated equally but really you're all just narcissists who terrorize bakers, florists and abuse adopted children.

And you do this all while being narcissists who think you can do no wrong and condemn others for simply existing.

Trump siding with the bakers you victimized with your special sexual orientation protections is karmic justice. As is Trump suing to overturn the EOC claim that sexual orientation is a protected employment category.

Your boss and landlord are gonna fire you for being an over the top attention whore who can't stop rubbing his lifestyle in other people's faces. They're gonna fire you for bullying florists.

Exactly what you called for is going to happen to you now that you're being stripped of all your sexual ortientation special rights. Have fun getting back in the closet.

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>>8854527

>>8852410
Oh no! Making it a state by state issue, and/or letting people run their businesses how they see fit?! Oh the horror!

Rightwings are for smaller government

>>8852410
Tbh, anyone without the full story would side with the bakers, because the incomplete story doesn't include that it was just a normal cake (so no special service), it doesn't include that the bakery took money for it and it doesn't include that the bakery intentionally ruined the wedding by only telling they weren't going to make any cakes when it was too late for them to get another bakery.

And of course, all idiots talking about this case in the internet keep talking about dick-shaped cakes of all rainbows with some icing writing "JESUS IS GAY" or something.

>>8852432
I think we've reached a point in which removing the anti discrimination laws wouldn't fuck us up too hard. As in, we should have at least one good shop to use on pretty much any city.

I'd be more comfortable if there was some softer anti-discrimination laws that went something like you can discriminate against gays, but you also need to make it clear that you do on every single ad and entrance to your store, so that you don't falsely advertise to gays or whatever. No sneakily sending gays away after they're in if you didn't make it clear you don't deal with them.

>>8852908
>we have a hard enough time with that as it is
We don't.

Birth rates are plummeting because they are supposed to. We've reached far enough in tech an quality of life improvements that we don't need so many people around.

The only ones not interested in having the world population go down are the politicians (since they depend on having as many people around to pay taxes and fight wars as possible) and the 1% (since having more people around decreases the value of "people" and therefore allows them to become even richer). So for the remaining 99% of the population, trimming the number of people around would be a godsend.


Either way, if someone is trans, starting the treatment as soon as possible is the best way to guarantee they're not going to off themselves or become unproductive. It still has a huge fail rate, but it's smaller than not transitioning or just transitioning at 30.

>>8854600
Declaring trannies to be a legal pretense of the opposite sex is not a medical treatment. And neither is being gay.

>>8854640
> putting kids on blockers and hormones and giving 14 year olds top surgery isn't child abuse
Honestly at this point I'd take a comprehensive rollback of gay rights legislation if it hurt trannies, that's how much I hate you fucking freaks

>>8854677
of course you would /pol/

its a wondrous thing that society has chosen to not care what you think

>>8854538
We're not recognizing their delusions. It's just the only kind of treatment that has something resembling a good success rate. It's still shit, though, so if you have anything that kind of works decently well you should be able to put all the shrinks and doctors to shame!

Convincing the patient that their feelings aren't real might be the best course to take if you're treating someone with paranoia or schizophrenia, but dysphoria doesn't go away if you scream "NO YOU ARE NOT A WOMAN" all day.. It's been tried. It doesn't work. Transitioning is the best we have right now. Don't like it? Bring something better to the table. Until then, shut up.

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>>8852410

I never supported the disgusting and unconstitutional treatment of christian business owners to begin with, good for him

>>8852462

That's not Sharia law, Sharia law is throwing you off a roof, that's just allowing businesses to refuse service.

>>8852410
You would have to be an insane sociopath to believe people should be forced at gunpoint to be enslaved into baking your gay cakes for you. Nobody should ever be forced to provide a service to someone that they don't want to provide.

>>8854689
>>>r/comedycemetery

>>8852434
You can't stop the acceptance of homosexuality, even the majority of conservatives wouldn't say they find homosexuals "revolting". People could start to backlash against trannies however once they realize what vile sexist filth you are.

>>8852423
the ideal world: businesses are free to discriminate, and discriminating is free to bite them in the ass financially. free market.

>>8852504
>you people do horrible things to children and should be stopped from doing those things
>how dare you bring up children! any rational argument pretends children don't exist!

>>8854697

Hit too close to home, huh?

>>8854714
that's basically the way things are already though. Those that discriminate against gays face repercussions and those that discriminate against nazis don't because overall society pushes in that direction. Your delusion is in letting only finance be people's form of influence, when ever /pol/tards should be perfectly aware of the unfairness inherent to trade. (e.g. da joos)

>>8854687
Listen you stupid tranny fuck
We are legally recognizing their delusions by pretending they are women. I don't care what adults do with their bodies. The rest of us are under no obligation to play along.
> It's been tried. It doesn't work.
Trannies also claim this but the reality is almost nothing else has been tried event in adults. In kids it goes away almost all the time if trannies don't get their hooks into them.

>>8852410
>you
You're making the implication any of his supporters aren't against forcing small business to bend to the wills of some annoying faggots trying to cause problems.

>>8854729
>the unfairness inherent to trade
Trade is the free exchange of goods, if you don't want the goods the other person is offering don't agree to make the trade. That's literally the opposite of unfairness.

>>8853169
Being a cog in society is the price you pay for having an unprecedented amount of security and welfare, there are countless "free" countries, where you can do whatever you want.

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If you think store owners should be obligated to sell their goods to you against their will, you are a non-person beast and should be enslaved or physically removed from society.

>>8853439
Society doesn't care about marriage anymore and guess what, straight people are becoming just as promiscuous as gay people.

>>8852410
>not forcibly requiring free citizens to do things they don't want to
>chased back into the closet for being gay
My thoughts are I feel great about this. That cake shit was unironically terrible from day 1, they should've just gone to another bakery instead of making some big bitchy vendetta out of it. God knows there are enough homo bakers.

>>8854742
Just because the act of trading is a fair exchange (theoretically) doesn't mean unrestricted trade results ideally for society. This is a much deeper issue than gay cakes. Any service or object or even technique can potentially be a commodity. And some effective trade strategies are logically fair yet detrimental to societies well-being

>>8854763
>God knows there are enough homo bakers.
this lmao. domestic fags are the best fags

>>8854763
Have you read what actually happened?

They would have gone to another bakery. The problem was that this bakery in particular ACCEPTED their request, took their money and only said they didn't bake for gays when it was already too late to get another bakery to do it.

This vendetta is fully justified. I bet you'd get a good sue out of it even if it wasn't discrimination - discrimination was just the icing on the cake.

>>8852496
This is maybe the most retarded thing I've ever read. Like >>8852513 says there was an entire, legal black parallel economy under segregation which was subsequently consumed by the businesses of the Jew when segregation was ended. This is one of the reasons Malcolm X and the other Nation of Islam guys argued for segregating themselves, so that they could have their own society instead of being the underclass of Whitey's.

Plus, let's be honest, there will never be a fix for race relations in America unless we deport all the blacks to Liberia.

>>8853285
Are you serious? You think straight men are monogamous because they can get married? Are you entirely out of your mind?

Marriage is a massive screwjob for men and straights only put up with it AND monogamy because women withhold the pussy, something they can do without suffering because they have a barely-there sex drive. Gay sex is literally just what happens when everyone has the same sex drive and nobody's a cunt about it to each other.

>>8854129
Pretty sure things my 10 years old self in the 90 didn't knew and I was still gay.

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>>8852513
>it was popularly known as America's "Black Wall Street" until the Tulsa race riot of 1921, in which the Oklahoma state government with the assistance of Tulsa's white residents massacred hundreds of black residents and razed the neighborhood within hours

>>8854860
They're a retard and that kind of retardation will continue as long as SJW gays idolize everything straights have just because they don't have it.

>>8852496
>because all of the wealth is in the hands of the whites.

Which Whites? Caucasian? Jewish? Koreans?

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Why is it always fucking cakes?
How many Christian bakers are refusing cakes for gay weddings?

How about the important shit like not being able to donate blood and how hard it is to adopt kids? I can get a fucking cake anywhere

>>8855155
>important shit like not being able to donate blood
Yes let's give straights HIV too! That's the real issue!

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>refuse to bake a cake that goes against your beliefs
>homos go nuts and ruin your lives
>loose your business and home
>#lovewins!

Wow, I wonder why there is still such a pushback against gay people. Really makes you ponder...

>>8855164
Not everyone has HIV

>>8855168
Better safe than sorry.

>>8855192
Just have everyone bring some test results with them if they want to donate. Even the straights

>>8855198
Test results aren't foolproof and can be out of date.

>Even the straights
Statistically not worth it.

>>8855199
So its better that a bag of HIV blood from a straight person slips through than just everyone gets checked?

>>8855198
How far do you think the rate of blood donations would plummet? I think it's a perfectly reasonable and mathematical conclusion, comparing rates of hiv among gays with heteros, that they should take caution

>>8855205
Yes, things fall through the cracks but that is accounted for in the grand scheme. Just like hospitals I'm sure have numbers on roughly how many patients due from malpractice.

Would it be better that you make it more difficult to donate blood for the vast majority of people (straights)? How many more people would die due to lack of adequate supply?

>>8855219
>>8855226
It's not about blood donation rates or making it more difficult, it's about the principle, the equality.

Gays shouldn't be second-class citizens.

>>8852410
This whole baker thing is a non-issue. Just find a baker who's not a religious nut to make you a cake instead of turning a trivial matter into a national scandal.
>>8855155
I live in a conservative hellhole of a country and I can donate blood. But they require you to gather your entire fucking medical history and test for blood-transmitted diseases, so the benefits you get from donating (a free meal and a couple days off work) aren't worth dealing with all the red tape and standing in hospital lines for days.

>>8855232
So it only matters to you in terms of how it might seemingly affect you (assuming you're gay).

Gays have higher rates of stds. If you want companies and organizations to make it harder to donate just so your feelings won't be hurt, then I am saddened by your priorities.

They also ask questions relating to drug use and check for needle holes for heroin and crack users. Should we also avoid asking these questions since drug use shouldn't be "treated as second class citizens"? Maybe let's add more expense to thoroughly testing more of these units of blood so drug abused don't feel offended either?

>>8854860
>>8855133
Unironically this is the reason I'm glad I'm gay. I feel so fucking bad for my straight bros.

I mean, don't get me wrong -- I'm sure pussy's great if you're not allergic. It IS the only hole made for fucking, after all. But that's assuming you even get any, and women are such sexless, manipulative bitches that I don't think I know a single straight man who's broken three figures. And this despite straight people being orders of magnitude more common.

>>8855232
This kind of faggotry is exactly the shit that caused the idiotic baker issue. You're the problem, retard. I beg of you to either see sense or neck yourself.

>>8855405
>I feel so fucking bad for my straight bros.
Don't. It's on them that they're cuck enough to call for female wiles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgWIhYAtan4

>>8855127
it's okay, the city gave a few medals out 100 years later, it's all good now.

>>8852448
>It's a "/pol/yp thinks american presidents have unlimited power" episode.

>>8855666
I thought we learned our lesson on that with Andrew Jackson. There's a reason he's not too fondly remembered.

>>8855669
Trump keeps a picture of Jackson in his office.

Populism, yeah yeah.

>>8853610
>Implying it's not almost all /pol/ trolls

>>8854677
>>8854735

They medically transition. I trust doctors over a creepy guy like you that fetishizes teenage boys. Seriously, capitalism works when the best and educated run high things like medicine. And you and others who are unqualified but delusional get broken by pushing carts and other things they're fit for.

Wow no wonder the middle Americans are turning against narcissistic delusional fags like you. No MD but you think you should be the master of medicine in America wow. It's just like those florists you bully.
>>8854677
Please, its medical care from a doctor >>8852929 this is child abuse. Dragging in children to your speak clad sexual orgies.

Why is this a thing?

Don't businesses have the right to refuse service?

>>8855669
>Andrew Jackson
>not too fondly remembered
Speak for yourself, limp-wrist.

>>8855819
>trangutang gets insanely mangry
>thinks this will convince anybody
Seriously are you a false flag to give trannies a bad name so more people will agree with >>8854677 >>8854735? Or is this actually how mentally ill you are?

>>8855867
America isn't part of the free world any more.

>>8855990
he caused a recession because of his overbearing control of federal funds and banking, you're an idiot if you think he's a good role model

>>8855992
Please you keep ranting about how doctors get you so very angry. All while plugging yourself in. It's just another pattern of your entirety unwaranted narcissism and demand to controll everything in the world. Just like with the baker you bullied. Obviously it's backfiring.

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>>8855867
>Don't businesses have the right to refuse service?
No.
If you are a public business you have to serve the public, which includes everyone.
If you don't want to make cakes for gays then don't open a public bakery.
Just do a private baking club and only sell to a select group of special christians who are worthy to eat your holy baked goods.

>>8856089
what about when bars have things like women only nights? is that illegal?

>>8856089
No. Every business reserves the right to refuse service. It's just bad marketing.

>Catholics discriminate on gays, would take their right away if they could and persecuted gays for years
>Gays are just asking cake makers to make a damn cake
>/lgb/ sides with the Catholics

>>8856141
probably everyone here siding with them aren't gay, I don't think a majority people who post on this board are lgbt

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>>8856100
Women only nights are not illegal.
>>8856102
Gays are a protected class.
Men without shoes or shirts are not.

>>8856159
so it's okay to refuse service for the sole reason that the patron is male? I thought you couldn't discriminate for sex or gender either

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>>8856209
Having a special night for a special occasion is not the same as routine discrimination against a protected class.
Go to law school if you are so interested in the ins and outs of the law.
I don't have the time or interest to school you.

>>8856240
Then why are you trying to do so right now Mr. Lawyer?

>>8856141
Why would you even want to buy a cake from a religious fundamentalist? I'd boycott them instead.

>>8856240
>Having a special night for a special occasion is not the same as routine discrimination against a protected class.
So you could equally have special cis only, straight only or men only nights for special occasions on the same basis?

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>>8856253
Because you're obviously incredibly ignorant and need help.
Think of it as a form of Pro Bono work for the LGBT community.

>>8856292
Same

>>8856305
being an arrogant douche is the worse way to educate someone. I guess they don't teach that in lawyer school thought

>>8856292
How am I going to suppose to know they are religious fundamentalist?

>I'd boycott them instead.
No one deserves to be treated as second class citizen. Otherwise everyone would come up with the most mundane excuse to do things because their "god" does thing.

>>8856327
>Otherwise everyone would come up with the most mundane excuse to do things because their "god" does thing.
This is how shitty religions like scientology, islam and judaism are born.

>>8853296
>a cake with two men in tuxedos is the same as degenerates who dress like animals and fuck each other

Alright

>>8856327
>what is being a private establishment

>>8854225
Nah, plenty of laws regarding nudity being illegal. Going shirtless is a perfectly valid reason to get kicked out of a place

>>8854679
Do you even into the president and an entire party?

>>8856820
>what is being a business in the United States and given special tax privileges

If they get any benefit from the federal government, then they can't discriminate. Kthnksbaifampai

>>8856852
That actually depends on whether or not the government decides to pursue the case.

>>8852929
Please explain your image. Gays kissing their kid is something bad? You never kissed your mom or dad during your childhood?
Is this an american thing were nudity is frowned upon to aswell?

>>8856820
Can't wait for supermarkets to start kicking out gay people, then maybe people will do something. Oh and maybe doctors too, because my God forbids me from healing these sinful being.

It's OK though, we will still have hair dressers!

>>8852460
I cannot wait for Matthis and his buds push the female draft when WW3 starts

It's going to be fun *unzips dick*

>>8856852
What special tax privileges exactly do you imagine businesses get?

>How about the important shit like not being able to donate blood
How is it important for you as a member of a group far more likely to have HIV and other diseases transmissible by blood (men who have sex with men) to be able to donate blood? Are the warm fuzzies you get from giving blood more important than the lives endangered by allowing gays to donate (not just responsible gays like you, the rest who are far more promiscuous than straights on average and far more likely to have HIV)? Get a life. Your life is not negatively impacted at all by not being able to give blood and it allowing it would ruin more lives than it would save.

>>8852676
>>8852676
>>8852676
>>8852676
>>8852676

>>8857306
I agree. I'm gay and I have no problem with that. It's not even homophobia, lesbians can donate with no problem. Men are most likely to deal with disease, there is nothing we can do about it.

>>8853853
That's a bullshit hypothetical argument on the basis that there are 0 states where every baker will refuse to bake a cake for a gay wedding. If that ever happened, anti-gay sentiment would have made such a comeback that gay people would have any legal protections they had revoked anyways and would have much more real problems to deal with than this meme concern over fucking wedding cakes. Thus, it is irrational for us to consider this hypothetical situation when deciding what should be done, because no legal protections are going to dde facto protect gays in that anti-gay of an environment.

No bakers in a city being willing to bake a cake for a gay wedding seems more plausible. In that case, you can drive a little further, bullshit a baker in your city into thinking he's baking for a straight wedding, buy a large slab cake from many grocery stories, bake your own cake, get the community to pressure the anti-gay bakers to bake gay wedding cakes through boycotts and such, or not have a cake. The government does not need to get involved to resolve this situation, and the government shouldn't be solving everybody's problems.

>>8856209
>so it's okay to refuse service for the sole reason that the patron is male?

Conditionally, yes it is, businesses have a lot of leeway to male female only businesses, but it's not all that popular of a model given that it means cutting off half your potential customer base.

Businesses only have to serve both genders if they are providing some service which is not available to men. E.G. if there was only one gym in a town, a guy could argue in court they should let men in.

This wasn't the situation with the gay wedding cake place. It wasn't that the gay couple didn't have alternatives. They were just pissed that somebody had the right to deny them service at all. The bakery getting in trouble for not baking a cake wasn't based on them depriving somebody of a need they couldn't get elsewhere, it was based on them denying somebody a fucking cake which they could have bought elsewhere and how that made the faggot feel on the inside.

>>8862188
Calling bullshit on the first two paragraphs. Your feels aren't the same as reality, morality or the law.

>>8852410
>
this is exactly what I wanted to happen

>>8855476
>being gay is not a choice
>but being straight is a choice
They're not cucked, their choices are just not fall for it and get no pussy, or fall for it and get a bit of pussy. It's a rock and a hard place, and I don't envy them.