Is transgenderism a social trend?

>>8851702
As much of a social trend as being gay was in 1980.

>>8851702
Yes of course, it's the new Satanic panic/multiple personality disorder/lobotomy. Emo teens are going tranny and so are Munchausens parents.

53% of mothers of boys with Gender Identity Disorder have Borderline Personality Disorder compared to only 6% of mothers of normal children
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2016237

>>8851714
Nah. This is a trend that's affecting kids. You don't see a huge wave of older adults coming out.

>>8851719
>You don't see a huge wave of older adults coming out.
KEK

>>8851702
lol trannies have literally always been around. otherkin not so much.

>>8851719
But you do. That's what started the bathroom debate because so many 40 year old men in dresses wanted to pee in the ladies room. Nonexistent problem 10 years ago, only passers went in women's bathrooms, old men stayed in the closet. I blame Caitlyn.

>>8851719
Wat

>>8851702
Yes. I'm sure they were around, but it's only becoming visible in the last 10 years.

Even transvestism was fairly rare.

>>8851723
>>8851726
We've always had cross dressers. There's a long history there. If you look at the old tranny mags they have lots of stuff about getting into womens restroom and change rooms.

We see hardly any older FtMs. And all the kids going tranny is totally new.

>>8851739
>Kids are the ones mostly going tranny because FtMs are invisible
T is stronger than E. Number of kids transitioning is definitely higher than before but it's not a bad thing in and of itself. Kids are not the majority of people who transition ESPECIALLY so given the gatekeeping that occurs is usually age restricted and timed to let you begin HRT at 16-18 at best with cross-sex hormones.

>>8851750
The large majority of people who transition are young people and most are now girls. Tranny-ism is a teen girl and 20 something girl trend as of right now. Teen girls are dumb as fuck and will do anything that makes them happier. Nobody 16-18 has any idea what they'll be like as an adult. Transitioning should be banned for at least age 25 and under.

>>8851759
t. Hon wanting to institute conversion therapy for early transitioners and twinkhons so they become plain old hons

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>>8851719
>You don't see a huge wave of older adults coming out.
this guy right here

>>8851739
But they talked about doing it without getting caught. Tbh even 2000s crossdressers put more effort into passing than 2010s hons.
>>8851759
For FtMs yes it's an attention seeking teen girl trend but for MtFs it's a mid-life crisis AGP fetishist trend.

>>8851861
>trend

4chan does not determine trends you buttmonkey. There have always been AGPs.

Children naturally enforce gender roles around the age of 6 with no outside intervention. They just start making fun of kids that don't conform to gender norms. I've seen it countless times from kids of the most SJW parents you could imagine. They just start getting very opinionated about what girls do and what boys do. It's not a socially constructed thing, I'm highly skeptical of that, kids are actually insanely opinionated about gender and fixated on the issue. Kids around the age of 6 often are also gender-nonconforming and boys like wearing dresses and such. So naturally there is conflict. In my experience every single kid I've seen act like this grew into a gender conforming adult.

Since it's no longer ok to tell parents that their kid is getting bullied at school for wearing a dress to class and maybe they should pressure them to fit in, and since doing nothing will result in the kid just getting bullied, the solution now is to simply punish all the kids who point out how one of their classmates dresses up like a girl. I guarantee you this won't stop the social isolation, it will just make the stigma unspoken.

I'll mention since this was a Church of England School - Deuteronomy 22:5: “A woman shall not wear a man’s garment, nor shall a man put on a woman’s cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord your God." We're at the point where religious schools are not allowed to enforce religious doctrine, but they're forced to punish the kids if they try to pressure kids to follow biblical teachings. The strength of the Christian Right sure has faded in Britain, they're totally cucked now by trans girlpenis.

Anybody that dresses as a boy AND a girl needs to pick a side.

>>8851702
Should boys be allowed to wear both girls and boys clothes at school?

Yes.

Should boys be disciplined for "misgendering" when they don't know what gender someone is?

No.

>>8851726
I blame Caitlyn Jenner for the entirety of the modern backlash t b h. She pushed the pendulum too far. Stunning and brave my ass.

>>8851726
I don't blame older transitioners for creating the bathroom idiocy -- I blame conservatives looking for a wedge to divide the country and demonize the left, and trans issues just happened to be coming up at the right time. I want nothing more than for everyone to shut up about us lmao

>>8853400
>Children naturally enforce gender roles around the age of 6 with no outside intervention.
No they don't. What bullshit.

>They just start getting very opinionated about what girls do and what boys do. It's not a socially constructed thing,
>Kids around the age of 6 often are also gender-nonconforming and boys like wearing dresses and such.
>no longer ok to tell parents that their kid is getting bullied at school for wearing a dress to class and maybe they should pressure them to fit in
Make up your mind.

>who point out how one of their classmates dresses up like a girl.
Something adults drill into them from birth, blue is for boys, pink is for girls, pants are for boys, dresses are for girls.

>>8853400
>We're at the point where religious schools are not allowed to enforce religious doctrine
Do they even allow them to wear polyester-cotton blends now? Mixed fabric heathens.

>>8853438
I feel like it's a mix of both desu. Parts of gender roles are evolutionarily selected behavior, but the main thrust comes from the environment. If there's one thing kids are good at, it's internalizing their environment, even the things that aren't explicitly spoken. They're little sponges. Kids learn a lot about gender from their parents and the other adults who practice gender norms every day.

>>8851702
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-hampshire-41224146
>The Rowes say the suggestion that gender is fluid conflicts with their Christian beliefs and they are seeking a legal challenge against the school's actions.
>Mr Rowe said: "I am shocked by the suggestion, especially from a church school, that just because we question the notion that a six-year-old boy can really become a girl, we are transphobic."
L M A O

>>8853438
>No they don't. What bullshit.

I've seen literally dozens of kids in that age range grow up through it and I cannot tell you how many times I've heard a huffy little girl rant about how X is for boys and Y is for girls. If you've ever seen kids playing house, one will notice that they hold quite steadfastly to gender roles. as well. In my experience kids don't actually pick up on gender roles because their parents drill into them that they have to wear blue because they're boys or whatever. They mostly notice how mommy and daddy act differently and imitate whoever reflects their respective gender. They pick this stuff up more by observation than being explicitly taught it.

I'm just repeating, not hearsay, but what I've seen with my own eyes. Choose to believe I'm a liar if you wish, this is the internet, I could be lying. What I've seen is kids who, when alone, like to dress up as princesses, and with their peers, seem to be more keen to try and fit in, with zero difference in the adults present. It is hard for me to draw any conclusion but that the kids are enforcing the gender roles, not the adults.

>Make up your mind.

This is really not as contradictory as it sounds, one can easily tell a kid he can play dressup at your house, but if he doesn't want to be made fun of by other kids, he can help them fit in a bit better, but that whatever he chooses he should be proud of being himself. Some shit like that. You can empower kids to either conform or not conform to societal expectations if you even halfway decent at raising kids. A parent that doesn't help their kid fit in and does nothing but encourage them to be a special snowflake is abusive in my mind, and I don't mean this specifically in regards to gender issues, I just mean generally.

That may trigger /lgbt/ which likely thinks of every gender nonconforming kid as a repressed tranny, but I've seen a good number of gender nonconforming boys, and 100% of them grew out of the behaviour.

>>8853537
>and I cannot tell you how many times I've heard a huffy little girl rant about how X is for boys and Y is for girls.
And this must be something she magically knows from her genes and not something controlling gender role obsessed adults like you train her to think.

What you've witnesses is tainted by your biases. You see the child parrot their parents and when it suits your nonsensical beliefs, you chalk it down to DNA and their sex.

You still haven't squared the "boys and girls know what is for which gender" and "kids that age do all sorts of GNC stuff" by the way.

>That may trigger /lgbt/ which likely thinks of every gender nonconforming kid as a repressed tranny, but I've seen a good number of gender nonconforming boys, and 100% of them grew out of the behaviour.
Fuck off, they get being GNC beaten out of them and coerced out of them by people like you, whether they are trans or not.

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>>8853593
>And this must be something she magically knows from her genes and not something controlling gender role obsessed adults like you train her to think.

Generally this is mostly socialised, although some differences are genuinely innate. Nuturing, empathetic behavior, and liking of cuteness seems to be innately female. More agressive behavior seems to be innately male. This, by the way, is why MtFs get so butthurt when you accuse them of being mangry, because they understand the truth to this.

I just think people overplay how much the media is responsible, kids are again mostly copying who they see as mature authority figures, like adults and older kids. People are also loathe to admit ANY innate differences and would prefer to believe everything is arbitrarily socially constructed.

>Fuck off, they get being GNC beaten out of them and coerced out of them

This is true to a large degree, but you neglect to even consider the effects hormones have on gender identity.

Gender nonconformity has LONG, LONG been accepted as fairly normal in kids. Back in the day they used to dress up boys in dresses, pic related is FDR. When girls are very young, it doesn't really raise many eyebrows if they don't wear a shirt. You see a lot of boys wearing frilly things when they're young, and girls acting like tomboys. You look back in history, you will see a long history of gender nonconformity in children being treated as normal, with an eventual transition to gender conformity.

One of the things that changes this most dramatically is hitting puberty which seems to cause kids to follow gender roles far more strongly. Which, by the way, isn't a phenomenon explained by your theory that kids conforming to gender roles is just something that is beaten into them by others. After hormones balance out and they're finished going through stupid teen phases, only then can you be truly sure of what somebodies gender identity really is.

>>8851702
those blue haired lgbtsjw freaks cannot reproduce, hence they must recruit. wake up this is a deliberate program of leftist social engineering

>>8853719
>equating lgbt with sjw
Strike one!
>they must recruit
Strike two!
>deliberate program of leftist social engineering
Strike three, you're out! >>>/pol/

>>8851716
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2016237

Nice find.

Can /tttt/ refute this finding?

>>8853728
Correlation does not equal causation.

>>8853728
>8851716
People who have access to this diagnosis are more likely to be able to diagnose their children.

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>>8851719
>The next day Elliott asked for magazines to make a collage about things people should know more about, adding glitter and photos of Beyonce and trans actress Laverne Cox next to words like bodies, consent, racism, gender, and decolonization -- which they asked for help writing.

>While Elliott often used blue (he), pink (she), or yellow (they) bracelets to show Kym which pronoun they preferred before they started school, after a “rough” first couple months in primary they decided on “boy” clothing and “he” pronouns after being teased.

most of those 'trans' children are obviously being indocrinated by leftist parents. dude, do you actually expect me to believe this 'genderfluid' toddler is interested in Beyonce, consent, 'decolonization' and 'trans actress Laverne Cox'. you gotta be shitting me.

>>8853724
I used to think I was 'trans' once but I stopped watching those goddang chinese cartoons, started working out and got redpilled about cultural marxism. I am now a swole fascist ubermensch and 100% straight.

>>8851702
why do I keep seeing this word "row" in weird contexts? is this some foreign political term?

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>>8853805
the british are a fascinating people. even their trashy tabloids read like something out of James Joyce. in America, only the blacks approach this level of masterful verbal wit.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2738532/fifth-alleged-member-of-sick-furry-fetish-paedophile-ring-charged-with-dressing-up-as-an-animal-and-raping-a-boy-14/

>>8853805
its british for 'argument'

>>8853795
enjoy your repression and eventual hondom at age 40

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>>8853827
T-that's kinda hot other than the whole 14 year old thing

>>8853795
Sure you are. Why don't you just start HRT now? You'll have better results if you start now than if you repress for a few years and then start later in life.

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>>8853827
>trashy tabloids read like something out of James Joyce

You've clearly never read any Joyce

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>>8854066
>>8853913

I shall never give in to ZOG

>>8854086
Joyce is even more unreadable.

>>8851702
>Is transgenderism a social trend?
Yes it is. It's not JUST a social trend, but the trend inarguably exists.

>>8851702
I wish I've heard about it 10 years ago, wouldn't start my transition at 26... Where I live (post soviet) there is literally no info about it, even in medical unis. Randomly stumbling upon a word "transgender" and following the dots led me to where I am now.

>>8853445
>Do they even allow them to wear polyester-cotton blends now?
Polycotton ought to be outlawed tb h

>>8854685
Most clothes seem to be some cotton-poly-spandex blend now. Clingy and cheaply made, no thx

>>8854589
being actually trans (i.e. dysphoric, transsexual) isn't a social trend, but there is a social trend based on being transgender thanks to sjws and tumblr. Honestly I feel like they've done more to hurt than help.

>>8853400
Deuteronomy 22:5 was literally nullified by Jesus though. In Matthew 6:25 he told us not to worry about our clothes.

from the sermon on the mount:

25 “Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothes? 26 Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? 27 Can any one of you by worrying add a single hour to your life[e]?

28 “And why do you worry about clothes? See how the flowers of the field grow. They do not labor or spin. 29 Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. 30 If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you—you of little faith? 31 So do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32 For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. 33 But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. 34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.

>>8853688
>This, by the way, is why MtFs get so butthurt when you accuse them of being mangry, because they understand the truth to this.

>get accused of being mangry
>react with violent manger
?????
?
???

>>8854700
That's why we need laws against it

>>8854762
You know, I'm not even religious and I love the Sermon on the Mount. It's a philosophy of how to be a good human being and have faith in life itself.