some facts on transness and transitioning

>>8842289
>a*p alone isn't a reason to not transition;
Was about to rage but then saw I'd missed the not.

I'd say these are accurate, but #2 is transient. It's currently that way, where it's not recognized as a sacred rite, but likely will not remain that way.

#1 is technically true, although it becomes MUCH easier to discuss for most of us when it does involve dysphoria, and there definitely needs to be some kind of breakdown (if for no other reason than treatment needs) between the two.

>>8842320
with #1 i mostly meant that instead of anyone asking themselves "am i trans" they should figure out if they have dysphoria and of what kind

>>8842289
>• "being trans" is not a measurable state, but having the symptoms of gender dysphoria is
transness and dysphoria are both made up: the only real thing is transitioning

>• transitioning (or taking any steps thereof) isn't recognized as a sacred rite to give people their rightful bodies and social roles but to relieve mental and physical discomfort in anyone who has them, despite their age, history or the cause of the dysphoria
"relieving discomfort" is a way of avoiding saying why you want to transition, namely AGP or hating gender stereotypes

>• dysphoria isn't a binary state, it's possible and valid to only be dysphoric about certain things and not about others
dysphoria is made up, what people call dysphoria is obsessive fixation and unhappiness over progress in transitioning, since trannies rearrange their lives to be about transition

>• partial transition f.ex. hrt without social change or never getting SRS is a WPATH-approved way of treating dysphoria in those who can't or *don't want to* go further

>• a*p alone isn't a reason to not transition; the majority of transitioned transwomen are agp (before transitioning at least)
Correct

>>8842342
are you saying that people who are dysphoric pretransition are already on some level mentally transitioning?

>>8842368
no, they're obsessed with it. it's a diagnosis that means wanting to transition. since a lot of MtFs are on the spectrum it's not a surprise they get very intense about it as a solution to their problems.

>>8842385
Gee. What about those of us who were telling friends and doctors before we even knew transition existed, before puberty, and before we had any idea what sex was (or even that it existed)? Did I use Remote Viewing and ESP to look into the future, pick up some AGP, then go back to the age of 6 or what?

>>8842385
do you think there's always an underlying problem that causes the dysphoria?
what about the outwardly successful people whose dysphoria builds up until they transition?

>>8842413
It's pretty normal for trannies to retcon their past. A few gay males who go transsexual are genuinely like that, but here... nah.

>>8842420
Why do you need the word dysphoria? It's the same as saying they have an obsessive desire to transition.

>>8842289
>is a WPATH-approved
who gives a shit about wpath

>>8842444
the medical establishment i guess? eh i'm just trying to remind people what the real professional consensus on trans things is
>>8842439
you can be dysphoric, i.e. hate your genitals or male features, without knowing that transitioning is even a thing and i'd say the majority of transpeople of all orientations were at least somewhat that way

>>8842490
>eh i'm just trying to remind people what the real professional consensus
fuck the "real professional consensus"

>>8842499
meanwhile, in the real world, when trying to organize trans care to help as many people as possible, it really helps to have some standards and things everybody agrees on

>>8842490
> you can be dysphoric, i.e. hate your genitals or male features, without knowing that transitioning is even a thing and i'd say the majority of transpeople of all orientations were at least somewhat that way
If you don't know transitioning is possible, you aren't going to obsess over getting rid of your junk or growing tits. The diagnosis has gone along with the treatment.

>>8842519
but that is simply not true, not in my experience or of countless others
it's not usually even a desire to change anything as such, just a dislike of what is and a wish that it could be different somehow

>>8842426
That'd be convenient if it weren't for the fact my bf was my lifelong best friend who I told AND HE WROTE IT DOWN way back when.

I never thought his incessant packratting would be worth anything until the day he came across that old notebook. 1979, love. Not a bad year, but the next one was the Olympic win. Who can forget that?
>around here
Well, that's the biggest problem. Nominally I shouldn't 'be here', but it's the only home I have so I make do, whether I fit the normal type or no.

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>>8842342

>>8842516
>defense of gay being a mental disorder

>>8842717
idgi

>>8842289
i take estrogen because i like how it effects me
why do you feel entitled to an explanation

>>8842490
the current medical consensus is good. a lot of issues people have are with hack psychs who are out of date- look at Britain lol, its still the 1990s there

>>8842823
She means the so-called professionals considered homosexuality a mental illness until quite recently.

>>8842426
The last defense. When real life doesn't fit theories, accuse trannies of lying.

>>8844707
true, but i think the mainstream standards of trans care in most of the west are in a pretty good place right now
or does anyone have examples to the contrary?

This or something like it should be a sticky so we can stop having 20+ AGP/HSTS arguing threads in the catalog at any given time

>>8844733
/lgbt/, the post

bump
i really hoped a trutrans shill would come and whine in my thread but oh well

>>8844753
Gatekeeping.

>>8842519
I was like this. I wanted female features when I was around 8. Was smart enough to know that wasn't going to happen but I could manage. At 11 I saw the part in Pretty In Pink where Ducky is force-fed contraception, and he wonders what will happen to him, and for the next few weeks imagined getting my hands on some, but realizing I could not without it being noticed. My only obsession is these worsening anxietydepression. I just want to be better.

>>8844753
britain still relies on a very patchy system that, beyond being overstretched, underfunded and not fit for purpose to the point of admin not being able to function, is heavily dependent on its psychs and their training. and there have been some doing it for decades that even with updated training, still stick to their original methods.

-some still work off blanchard's theories
-many discriminate according to sexuality
-they use doublespeak and juddge heavily
-'long hair = girl, short hair = boy'
-if you don't do as commanded they will tall people's transitions or just discharge them
-deliberately gatekeep and hold people back from treatment due to costs
-some still recommend the estrogen flooding technique without anti-androgens
-until recently some were openly discriminatory about who they'd accept (no nonbinaries)
-they love bimbofication. no dress, no service.
-dress like a normal girl? not girly enough clearly still want to be a man
-oh you like metal? on't care, long hair means you still want to be a girl
-oh you wanted a prescription no you have to go through an assessment period, stop self med or we discharge you despite waiting 2 years
-2 year wait minimum for srs
-basic butcher shop inversion technique, have to pay for hair removal of genitals yourself otherwise no surgery

the psychs are all powerful gender gods, the admin sends out letters deadnaming people which outs them, or letters straight up outing people, long ass waits, incompetence, and its all luck of the draw. you might get a good psych. you may get a good endo. you probably won't. and despite all of this you have to have your GP to be co-operative enough to refer you there, and co-operative enough to work with the clinic to help with your care afterwards.

its barbaric and its made some of my trans friends kill themselves, suffer for years, or seek treatment abroad. most people self med, like 80% of people referred to clinics self med because thats how bad they are

>>8842289
>"being trans" is not a measurable state
Well, not reliably as of yet. What about the brain scan stuff etc?

>>8848439
we'll see what comes of that but right now it's just speculation to speak of "being trans" outside of having (clinical) gender dysphoria

>>8848403
>some still work off blanchard's theories
What's the problem with that?

>>8848454
aside from being disproved, out of date, not seen as fit for use by WPATH, and not used by anyone in the west with modern training who is interested in credibility and career opportunities, nothin i guess

(its ok ur retarted)

>>8848495
>memes

>>8848403
I knew it was bad in bongland but this is worse than I thought.

>>8848403
>its made some of my trans friends kill themselves, suffer for years, or seek treatment abroad.
Greentext stories?

>>8848403
>if you don't do as commanded they will tall people's transitions or just discharge them
>deliberately gatekeep and hold people back from treatment due to costs
>oh you wanted a prescription no you have to go through an assessment period, stop self med or we discharge you despite waiting 2 years
>basic butcher shop inversion technique, have to pay for hair removal of genitals yourself otherwise no surgery
>the psychs are all powerful gender gods, the admin sends out letters deadnaming people which outs them, or letters straight up outing people
Thanks socialism!