HIV/AIDS Discussion

>>8828183
PrEP

>>8828183
>What are the potential symptoms?

Social stigma

Death

>>8828198
Yeah, too late for that.

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>Is HIV+ expensive or painful to treat?
Yes. Both.

>Do most insurances cover the costs?
Idk.

>Is it really the end of the world if you contract it?
Yes.

>What are the potential symptoms?
Fucking google.

Now move to your containment continent.

>>8828183
I'd like to know this because I am considering becoming a prostitute.

Can a guy get HIV by penetrating another guy or swallowing cum?

I know this shit is funny to you guys but I'm too afraid to ask about this stuff in person. And google has given me mixed answers.

>>8828223
>Body fluids = yes

come on anon this isn't rocket science here

>>8828223
>penetrating another guy
Yes.
>swallowing cum
yes, but only through open wounds like when you brush/flossed too much, or through mouth sores/ulcers
>google has given me mixed answers
https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/basics/whatishiv.html

>>8828207
Take PEP, or is also too late for that?
https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/basics/pep.html

>>8828301
How do you get it by putting your dick in an infected guy? If it's transferred by body fluids...

>>8828292
Urine won't transfer it...

>>8828215
Treatment isn't painful and it's not as devastating as it used to be. On meds you can have an average lifespan.

Only sluts get HIV, and sluts are disgusting garbage people who deserve death.

>>8828659
Stop this meme. Your life is a wreck after about 30 years, since your liver's fucked and you're on about 20 different meds to treat the symptoms of your meds. Lose your health insurance and your meds go with it too (including in the UK once the NHS dies). You've also only got a 1 in 2 chance treatment is effective for you anyway, with a 1 in 4 chance of hitting undetectable after a few years. And forget any hopes you ever had of
>visiting several countries
>getting a variety of jobs, especially private sector or medical if qny right wing forces come to power
>being socially accepted
>getting a bf who isn't a tumblr polyamorist

>>8831421
>in an accident
>haemorrhaged
>doctors saved me with a blood transfusion
>test HIV+ afterwards
Gee... thanks...

>>8831607
Did this happen in the 80s? Post 1989 and Ryan White there have been virtually no deaths from pozzed blood transfusions, in the current ear it's literally impossible to catch it 'innocently' any more, bar mother to child transmission

>>8828640
>How do you get it by putting your dick in an infected guy? If it's transferred by body fluids...
Friction can cause small cuts. Same reason why you shouldn't share a blade for shaving with someone who has aids. Or even live with one.

>>8831602
Idk what third world shithole you come from, but not even right wingers in the US advocate for employees making decisions based on HIV status.

>>8831421
Come get me faggot.

>>8831648
Why does this retarded meme continue to spread? The dry skin of the penis doesn't permit HIV. It's the mucous membrane, primarily the eurethra but also potentially the foreskin which allows entry because it is naturally permeable.

I really wish you all would take an hour to actually learn the biology of HIV transmission.

>>8828183
Interesting article about how HIV likely came to the United States via New York from Haiti for anyone interested:

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v539/n7627/full/nature19827.html?foxtrotcallback=true

We don’t know who Patient Zero for HIV was:

http://www.bbc.com/news/health-37767179

Patient "zero" was supposedly someone in California or has been hypothesized to be a Black teenager who was never proven infected but it was likely a Haitian man (likely a prostitute) who came to NYC.

HIV has been declining in Whites (only Whites) in US, UK and AU:

HIV infection rate in the US falls by a third in a decade

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-28389275''

http://archive.is/vNjZq

UK HIV decrease:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/unaids-hiv-infection-rate-down-33-percent-worldwide-since-2001/

http://archive.is/Qdllj

AU HIV decease:

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/hiv-infections-in-nsw-have-fallen-to-their-lowest-levels-except-for-one-group-of-people/news-story/9dc7261df2978e0091ad6739ff106d43

http://archive.is/Qdllj

>>8831678
Mucus membranes alone do not permit transmission I think. There must be direct access to the bloodstream via a tear for the virus to transmit absent a condition weakening the membrane like gonorrhea.

>>8831734
How does normal sex cause not only tears to the urethra, but tears great enough that they link directly to the bloodstream?

You're right that damage to the cell lining makes it much easier to transmit, but there is still a chance it can get through even normally. It's why topping is so much less risky than bottoming.

That's not to say microlesions aren't a factor, but for whatever reason 4chan and it's understanding of HIV have like stuck on that idea and seem to think that's all their is to it. Your skin gets tiny holes and the virus goes in them. They completely neglect the mucous membrane part.

But I'm probably just being autistic.

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>>8831734
This diagram is useful.

>>8831776
Tbh I think it stems from the fact that foreskin is a mucous membrane that increases the likelihood of transmission and people on /pol/ dismiss that as Jewish propaganda to promote circumcision.

>>8831787
This doesn't really explain how much of HIV is transmitted by unbroken mucus membranes vs. tears exposing the bloodstream directly or cases of weakened membrane due to disease. The incidence of each of the three of those categories would shed a lot of light on this.

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HIV can travel across the cell layer and enter the body on its own, but damage to the cell layer can make it easier for HIV to get across. Things that damage an intact cell layer and have the potential to increase the risk of infection include:

Some sexually transmitted infections (STIs), such as herpes and syphilis, which can cause sores or ulcers (“holes”) on the mucous membranes.5

Tiny tears that can occur during sex due to friction. These “microtears” in the epithelial layer, which commonly occur during sex, can increase the risk of HIV infection. Some mucous membranes are more vulnerable to tearing, either because they are covered by a thinner cell layer or because they do not produce lubrication to reduce friction during sex. This partly explains why receptive anal sex (receiving the penis into the anus, also known as “bottoming” among gay men) with someone who is HIV-positive is generally the riskiest type of sex.6 The rectum’s cell layer is thin and does not produce extra lubrication during sex.

The mucous membranes can also be damaged in other ways, such as enemas, dental work, surgery, douching, brushing teeth and flossing.

Although lubricants are often promoted to reduce the risk of tearing during sex, preliminary research suggests that some types of sexual lubricants may cause damage to the epithelial cell layer. More research is needed before we can change our recommendations regarding the use of lubricants.

http://www.catie.ca/en/pif/fall-2011/exposure-infection-biology-hiv-transmission

>>8831646
Yeah. No deaths...
You can get HIV and, y'know, not die.
You also forgot rape victims and needle stick injuries (up until PEP) there.