Are you AGP or HSTS?

>>8819571
Why should we support the research of an evil transphobic idiot like you?

No option for both? I like men and women for different reasons.

>>8819587
People can't be both.

>>8819607
Answer me you dishonest coward. >>8819582

How do I know if I'm hsts or agp?

>>8819607
>people actually believe this
>muh meta attraction

lmao

>>8819571
Did someone mess with the poll? Right now, the majority just plain simply picked "AGP", whereas I'd expect /lgbt/ to at the very least be objecting to the typology.

>>8819617
I'm not transphobic. Mentioning Cara proves nothing. It's pretty clear to everyone what you're really trying to do with the Cara thing.

>>8819628
Unless you're in a very small handful of users, you're AGP. HSTSs don't tend to end up on /tttt/. I just wanted to see how many here would claim to be HSTS anyway.

>>8819654
>Unless you're in a very small handful of users, you're AGP. HSTSs don't tend to end up on /tttt/. I just wanted to see how many here would claim to be HSTS anyway.
I've been told I'm hsts here though

>>8819654
What's pretty clear to everyone is that you turn a blind eye to his posts.

Why would you do that if you're not an evil transphobe?

>>8819571
I wish you would take your autism somewhere else.

>>8819663
Well, we can go through the questioning, but determining a person's type through text is hard since a lot of factors get lost:

* Before you started seeing yourself as female, did you ever imagine yourself as female in sexual fantasies?
* Have you acted in extremely gender-atypical ways your entire life?
* Did you spend a lot of time fantasizing about being a woman before transitioning?
* How do you feel about your genitals? Have you ever used them?
* Do you pass? How important is passing to you? How strictly do you define passing?
* Which well-known trans women do you relate to? Which don't you relate to?
* What are your interests/hobbies?
* What are your porn habits? What were they in the past?

>>8819654
Some other Blanchardian here already quizzed me in depth about me being HSTS.

I intentionally use false answers for these surveys because I want noise in Survey Anon's false consensus he's trying to build off of strawpolls and will psychoanalyze over TCP/IP like any armchair *tard.

>>8819703
You're a transphobe and you defend it by ignoring me and making insinuations about my motives.

When shouldn't I join this poster? >>8819720

>>8819703
>* Before you started seeing yourself as female, did you ever imagine yourself as female in sexual fantasies?
yes
>* Have you acted in extremely gender-atypical ways your entire life?
yes
>* Did you spend a lot of time fantasizing about being a woman before transitioning?
no
>* How do you feel about your genitals? Have you ever used them?
I've tried to cut them off; not on a person
>* Do you pass? How important is passing to you? How strictly do you define passing?
I don't pass; I just want people to see me as anything other than a man
>* Which well-known trans women do you relate to? Which don't you relate to?
I don't know or search out trans women
>* What are your interests/hobbies?
video games, computers, fashion
>* What are your porn habits? What were they in the past?
yaoi, twinks; same as now

>>8819812
>>* Before you started seeing yourself as female, did you ever imagine yourself as female in sexual fantasies?
>yes
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>>8819925
do HSTS imagine themselves as gay men?

>>8819794
Join me and resist the fake consensus before it starts to be forced onto your friends.

>>8819932
I imagined myself as a boy in all of my fantasies pre and during puberty. It was only after masculinization started occurring that I developed extreme insecurity and anxiety over the idea of being seen and approached as male in relationships by men (although I didn't start imagining myself as female, i just lost all sexual inclination at all and basically became asexual, male attracted).

>>8819933
>>8819720
what is the false consensus?

>>8819980
FIGHT THE FALSE CONSENSUS

BLANCHARD POSTERS HAVE NO LONG-TERM BENEFIT TO /lgbt/

STOP HIDING THREAD, START MESSING UP POLLS

>Bisexual, so not HSTS
>Never beaome aroused at the idea of being a woman, but aroused at being submissive
>Always been a little gender atypical, always acted androgynously/effeminte, but not super noticably
>Was heterosexual male up until shortly after my first relationship/breakup, came to grips with being bi
>mostly neutral on genitals, don't like them but don't super hate them. Way more concenred about secondary characteristics and hormone makeup, always hated having T in my system
>Pass, but kind of twinkhonish. Passing is critical and consumes me every day. I want to be seen as normal so much.
>Transitioned at 20; started crossdressing while drunk at 19, crossdressing while sober at 20, and quickly came to terms with being happier living as a girl very shortly after.
>Used to watch a lot of all types of porn, mostly cis les but prefer guys irl
>Rarely watch porn any more and rarely have or want to have sex, and I prefer it that way.

What am I? I don't think I fit into either box very well. I'm definitionally neither, not typical enough to be HSTS, not fetishist enough to be AGP.

>>8819703
Answering because bored tbhon.

>* Before you started seeing yourself as female, did you ever imagine yourself as female in sexual fantasies?
No
>* Have you acted in extremely gender-atypical ways your entire life?
Yes, while I was growing up I acted pretty much in autistic male-typical ways (no friends, interest in science and music, found any social interactions of any kind boring) tbhon.
>* Did you spend a lot of time fantasizing about being a woman before transitioning?
I didn't care about genders or what I was until after puberty kicked in tbhon
>* How do you feel about your genitals? Have you ever used them?
No
>* Do you pass? How important is passing to you? How strictly do you define passing?
I get mam'd in boymode but I doubt I actually pass
#Twinkhon4Lyfe tbHON
>* Which well-known trans women do you relate to? Which don't you relate to?
I can't think of any contemporary trans women I find inspiring/worth of being admired tbhon.
Probably Wendy Carlos because she's an inventor tbhon.
>* What are your interests/hobbies?
Now or back then? Doesn't matter, I have no hobbies whatsoever nowadays tbhon
>* What are your porn habits? What were they in the past?
I used to hate porn and acted like a self-righteous pious anti-pornography activist about it but nowadays I don't mind it now and then (twink/big guy 4 U porn, Asian gay porn). I prefer non-animated porn, like 2D yaoi genderbending mangos

>>8819654
I don't object to the typology at all, I clearly fit AGP

* Before you started seeing yourself as female, did you ever imagine yourself as female in sexual fantasies?
not really, just kind of submissive or normal straight guy. i consider myself bi but im 90% attracted to guys.
* Have you acted in extremely gender-atypical ways your entire life?
no, but i got bullied hard as fuck when i was younger for being fat and gay so i hid it.
* Did you spend a lot of time fantasizing about being a woman before transitioning?
not really beyond hating my fucking body and wanting to change it
* How do you feel about your genitals? Have you ever used them?
im neutral, i dont like them but it's whatever. i absolutely hate topping anyone, male or female.
* Do you pass? How important is passing to you? How strictly do you define passing?
no but i'm still relatively early and i haven't ever seriously tried. it's really important to me.
* Which well-known trans women do you relate to? Which don't you relate to?
i like blaire white and theryn meyer. laverne cox is probably the only *really* famous trans person that i like. i don't like most trannies because they are crazy and i don't understand them.
* What are your interests/hobbies?
video games, cooking, rap music
* What are your porn habits? What were they in the past?
i sometimes fap but don't feel like it usually. i read sex stories. i fucking despised my sexuality as a guy and i feel infinitely better about it on HRT. i used to fap like everyday to porn

>>8819703
I wanna answer, I've been called either AGP or HSTS by the more popular members here

>* Before you started seeing yourself as female, did you ever imagine yourself as female in sexual fantasies?
No
>* Have you acted in extremely gender-atypical ways your entire life?
Yep, got asked all the time growing up if i was gay before i even knew what that meant.
>* Did you spend a lot of time fantasizing about being a woman before transitioning?
Not really. If you mean sexually fantasized then never, if you mean daydreamed, i often wished i could just wake up in pajamas or something, no make up on, look in the mirror in the morning and see a girl.
>* How do you feel about your genitals? Have you ever used them?
I'm ambivalent about them half the time but i do really want them fixed. I topped successfully one time for like 30 seconds but really did not enjoy it, I never even thought about topping before then and it's not something i ever want to do again. I'm cool with having my genitals touched in bed like... 70% of the time, the other 30% I'll cry and we'd have to stop
>* Do you pass? How important is passing to you? How strictly do you define passing?
I'm almost 9 months in, and i know I'm always gonna have tells. I get along fine though, my feminine face and mannerisms help. You pass if i can see you in person and not clock you, by those standards i probably wouldnt pass.
>* Which well-known trans women do you relate to? Which don't you relate to?
I dont really know anything about any well-known trans women. I really relate to Stef Sanjati though, i kinda used her videos to guide my transition a bit.
>* What are your interests/hobbies?
I draw, play piano, knit/crochet, and exercise. I'm really into music.
* What are your porn habits? What were they in the past?
Gay porn. I feel like it's just gonna be that way forever because that's the porn i grew up watching and its kinda hard set at this point. Mostly involving bearish/Daddy types, also 2D bara.

>>8819703
>Before you started seeing yourself as female, did you ever imagine yourself as female in sexual fantasies?
Yes.
>Have you acted in extremely gender-atypical ways your entire life?
I've spent most of my life just being quiet and trying to be ignored.
>Did you spend a lot of time fantasizing about being a woman before transitioning?
Not really? I would every now and then, and did so a lot about a month before I realized I was trans, though.
>How do you feel about your genitals? Have you ever used them?
Ambivalent at best, I intend to get SRS. I've used my dick before, yes.
>Do you pass? How important is passing to you? How strictly do you define passing?
Don't pass, I'm like 3 months in. It's pretty important, but if I end up not passing I won't likely transition or kill myself. I don't think I define it that strictly- I think there's a pretty broad spectrum of how men and women can look.
>Which well-known trans women do you relate to? Which don't you relate to?
I don't really know many famous trans people. I know of Laverne Cox, who I don't really relate to, but that's about it.
>What are your interests/hobbies?
Rocketry, reading, video games, camping, and cooking are the big ones
>What are your porn habits? What were they in the past?
I guess it's mostly erotic literature. Pretty much always been that way.

>>8819812
Probably AGP.

>>8819997
Probably AGP.

>>8820022
How do you fap to genderbending manga without imagining yourself as female in sexual fantasies?
AGP.

>>8820145
You... saw yourself as a straight guy, even though you're 90% attracted to guys? Were you also mostly attracted to guys pre-transition?

>>8820194
I'm leaning HSTS on this one.

>>8820249
Definitely AGP.

>>8819703
>* Before you started seeing yourself as female, did you ever imagine yourself as female in sexual fantasies?
I don't see myself as a female. I doubt I ever had sexual fantasies at all.
>* Have you acted in extremely gender-atypical ways your entire life?
No.
>* Did you spend a lot of time fantasizing about being a woman before transitioning?
No.
>* How do you feel about your genitals? Have you ever used them?
I had sex with a girl once and didn't like it. Will never try again.
>* Do you pass? How important is passing to you? How strictly do you define passing?
No. I am not sure.
>* Which well-known trans women do you relate to? Which don't you relate to?
No one.
>* What are your interests/hobbies?
Video games and tv shows mostly.
>* What are your porn habits? What were they in the past?
Lesbian porn. Never liked porn with any males in it.

>>8819703
>* Before you started seeing yourself as female, did you ever imagine yourself as female in sexual fantasies?
Nope.
>* Have you acted in extremely gender-atypical ways your entire life?
Yeah. Never liked other dudes as friends and always had 1 or 2 guy friends. Never liked ~manly~ sports. Sometimes did pretty gay stuff that would get me in trouble. Loved playing make believe games with girls.
>* Did you spend a lot of time fantasizing about being a woman before transitioning?
I started day dreaming about waking up as a cis girl or making a machine to change my biological sex before i know what trans people and hormones are.
>* How do you feel about your genitals? Have you ever used them?
I feel uncomfortable when i see them. Don't like other people seing them. I used my penis for sex and disliked it a lot.
>* Do you pass? How important is passing to you? How strictly do you define passing?
Yes i do. Passing is super important to me and i define passing as being perceived as female by other people? I guess doing typically womanly things like makeup, feminine clothing, mannerisms and obviously your face.
>* Which well-known trans women do you relate to? Which don't you relate to?
No idea actually. Usually transwomen who believe in the gender binary.
>* What are your interests/hobbies?
Amateur photography, sometimes i draw, used to play videogames but not anyore.
>* What are your porn habits? What were they in the past?
I usually watched lesbian porn, but not because i found it hot, i just wanted to masturbate because i was bored to something and guys in porn are usually really ugly(i'm not into women, just men, even tho i tried to be a straight guy for my mom). What turns me on is imagining situations where someone is kissing me and touching me, i guess.

>>8819654
I witheld any opinion of you until now. But I can tell with this post alone you are a substandard person.

>>8819703
>Before you started seeing yourself as female, did you ever imagine yourself as female in sexual fantasies?
no
>Have you acted in extremely gender-atypical ways your entire life?
yes
>Did you spend a lot of time fantasizing about being a woman before transitioning?
when I first got dysphoria I guess
>How do you feel about your genitals? Have you ever used them?
p bad desu and no
>Do you pass? How important is passing to you? How strictly do you define passing?
I pass and it's very important. I define passing as having more opposite sex characteristics than same sex characteristics and thus being perceived as the opposite sex.
> Which well-known trans women do you relate to? Which don't you relate to?
I know I don't relate to any of them
>What are your interests/hobbies?
Johnny Cash and the MCU I guess
>What are your porn habits? What were they in the past?
Stringently anti-porn and always been uncomfortable with it. Although I used to think that discomfort was normal and consume erotic literature mostly.

I hope this isn't some shitty "answer one wrong and you AGP. GOTCHA!!" thing


> Before you started seeing yourself as female, did you ever imagine yourself as female in sexual fantasies?
I'm bi but prefer men and always fantasized being submissive/bottom. Imagining myself as female came later I guess

> Have you acted in extremely gender-atypical ways your entire life?
Yes, until I became very quiet and withdrawn due to bullying (thanks Catholic school)
> Did you spend a lot of time fantasizing about being a woman before transitioning?
>I guess, I do so day to day, in and out of sexual context
* How do you feel about your genitals? Have you ever used them?
>I don't use them during sex, fine with them existing and being touched. My ex wanted me to penetrate her and it made ne dysphoric so we didn't have sex a lot
>Do you pass? How important is passing to you? How strictly do you define passing?
Lol no but I might soon. Passing is important for my safety and not passing in public gives me bad anxiety
>Which well-known trans women do you relate to? Which don't you relate to?
None because I don't care about celebs and they're all bad rolemodels. Except maybe Laverne Cox but i don't know much about her and that show makes me too sad to watch

>What are your interests/hobbies?
Writing, Nintendo, learning instruments, weeb shit, role-playing, gardening, wishing I could draw
> What are your porn habits? What were they in the past?
Now anything I can project myself onto the smaller sub with, mainly traps and futa but also straight, yaoi and yuri. Before, mostly yaoi and straight

>>8822053
I just woke up so fucked this up slightly. Also add erotic literature to that last one because I don't really distinguish that from drawn porn anyway

>>8821913
AGP

>>8821933
Your porn habits don't seem to make much sense, which makes me suspect you're hiding something, probably even from yourself.

>>8822051
What sorts of things did your erotic literature contain at different points in your life?

>>8822053
It sounds like your porn habits focus a lot on your self-insert's position in the story, rather than other things...

>>8822269
>It sounds like your porn habits focus a lot on your self-insert's position in the story, rather than other things..

I want to be fucked. I was under the impression that's pretty normal. Why would I look at porn as 2 different people fucking unless I'm a voyeur

>>8822269
>Your porn habits don't seem to make much sense, which makes me suspect you're hiding something, probably even from yourself.
I tried to be as cis het as I could because I was afraid I'd be rejected by my family and society. My mother suspected me of being gay non the less, but I made myself believe I'm straight and repressed my attraction to dudes. Even thought I liked guys and did stuff with guys(later denying I like men in my mind somehow) and didn't like women at all. I think it was because I was "making it" I managed to be straight in my mind and all that stupid shit. In the end I came in terms that I am not what I wanted to be for others and started transition. I legit made myself believe that I like girls and pursued relationships even though when I did get girls to be attracted to me and went to dates with them, I just didn't want to be with them and usually screwed up the date on purpose.

So in my mind I consider it a sexual attraction repression rather than a gender thing. Repression is a hell of a drug.

Can someone explain what HSTS means

>>8822298
Horse sex T-rex

* Before you started seeing yourself as female, did you ever imagine yourself as female in sexual fantasies?
no.
* Have you acted in extremely gender-atypical ways your entire life?
>yeah, my parents told me to not act like this growing up, because "people would think i'm gay"
* Did you spend a lot of time fantasizing about being a woman before transitioning?
not really fantasizing, but i knew i wanted to be a girl. i didn't really have any dysphoria about it until puberty
* How do you feel about your genitals? Have you ever used them?
i hate it
* Do you pass? How important is passing to you? How strictly do you define passing?
not yet, because i couldn't get hrt until i turned 18 recently because of gatekeeping. passing is really important to me, i don't want to be seen as a tranny. i just want to live a quiet life as a woman and chase after goals
* Which well-known trans women do you relate to? Which don't you relate to?
idk
* What are your interests/hobbies?
gaming, but i only really play multiplayer games because i want to socialize, i just like chatting to people in them
* What are your porn habits? What were they in the past?
at first i watched "straight" porn, because i thought it was normal. it took me like an hour to finish each time because i was never really into it, after a while i moved on to guys and liked it alot more. but now i just don't watch porn or masterbate

>>8821890
>>8822269
I've given you every chance to show you aren't an evil transphobe and every time you've shown that you are.

>>8819933
You have a new recruit.

>>8819654
>http://www.strawpoll.me/13861799

>HSTSs don't tend to end up on /tttt/.

Believing in self-prejudices and ignoring the data you actually gather.

You just threw scientific method into a fire

>>8822532
I think they've fled the thread after confirming their own bias to themself

>>8822532
>>8822586
>ignoring the data
The data is how many say they're HSTS.

>>8822282
I'll go with "I don't know and I can't be bothered to examine in more detail".

>>8822285
Weird situation.

>>8822309
I can't figure out how many HSTS-points I should subtract for gaming and not having dysphoria until puberty, so I don't know.

>>8822462
I don't care about impressing you. I'm not going to desperately try to prove that I'm not a transphobe just because you demand it. I think everyone here can see that you're just trying to get me to hurt Cara.

>>8822532
Did you notice how several people in the thread said that they're messing with the poll.

>>8822586
Hi

>>8822757
>I'm not going to desperately try to prove that I'm not a transphobe
Because you know you can't, because you are.

>I think everyone here can see that you're just trying to get me to hurt Cara.
He has the excuse of not knowing better and being deceived by someone worse.

>>8819571
At around what age is the ratio of HSTS and AGP transitioners about 1:1?
Any idea?

>>8823179
17

>>8822757
>Did you notice how several people in the thread said that they're messing with the poll.
So? Just disqualify the data and results you don't like just like your other studies.

>>8823193
In the other survey I disqualified the data because the answers to that question did not match the answers to the other questions. If some men claim to find male traits very unappealing and female traits very appealing, but they also very strongly state that they have no desire to change sex, that they love being male, etc., then it's probable that they misinterpreted the appeal question as asking about appeal in partners.

>>8822298
basically it just means you're attracted to the opposite sex, but because some people don't want to consider transsexuals to be real men or women, the terms "straight" and "gay" no longer apply apparently.

This is the same theory that suggests prevalence of things like pseudo-heterosexuality or pseudo-bisexuality. IE, people think they're attracted to a certain type of people and just try to convince themselves really really hard that it's true, despite it not being.
It's the blanchardian way of ignoring data points which disagree with the desired typologies. So if you fit other "agp" shit (like self inserting as the girl in terms of sexuality, not fining out until later, having any "masculine" interests like outdoors or video games) but you're attracted to guys (which is usually an hsts trait), then they just say "Oh no no, you see, you aren't *really* attracted to guys, it's just a pseudo attraction because you want to fit in"

* Before you started seeing yourself as female, did you ever imagine yourself as female in sexual fantasies?
>No.
* Have you acted in extremely gender-atypical ways your entire life?
>Not really
* Did you spend a lot of time fantasizing about being a woman before transitioning?
>One weird dream and fucking about with towels as a kid
* How do you feel about your genitals? Have you ever used them?
> I dislike them in a apathetic way, got sucked by a guy. Getting surgery.
* Do you pass? How important is passing to you? How strictly do you define passing?
>I think I do? I plainly get called female by most people unless I dress in masculine clothing. Otherwise random strangers call me female on the phone and irl. The clothing's the only possible exception. Passing is important to me. Passing is passing to the general public.
* Which well-known trans women do you relate to? Which don't you relate to?
>None | Almost all
* What are your interests/hobbies?
>Animu, Games, Reading Shitposts, Programming, Watching youtube shit
* What are your porn habits? What were they in the past?
>Mostly BDSM dom lesbian or dom straight hentai. In the past it was briefly what'd you consider to be AGP, but primarily anything from vanilla to really depraved shit. 99% straight. Most of that AGP stuff I disliked, but it helped me cope pre-hormones, quitted post hormones.

>>8821890
I'm >>8820145
Sorry that was kind of a typo. By straight guy i mean cis guy. Yeah I was attracted to guys but I hid it after I started high school.

>>8823509
I mean like, I was getting bullied really hard for it (i wasn't out of the closet or anything people just thought I was really gay) so in high school i started trying to act like a normal guy9999

I don't fit under the labels of AGP/HSTS

>>8823623
That just means you're AGP.

>>8823623
That means you're pseudo-trans with meta-normativity.

>>8823626
I love the idea that everyone is AGP by default and HSTS is something you earn with good behaviour, makes the system seem that much more real

>>8823672
>wanting to be HSTS

>>8823490
AGP

>>8823509
Let's go with HSTS

what the fuck do these acronyms stand for?

>>8824452
Adorable gangster puppies and heuristically sound training sports

>>8824473
Thanks anon, thanks

>>8824475
You're welcome. It can be hard to keep track of all these acronyms sometimes.

>>8824452
AGP is short for "odd programmer trans catgirl or old hon", HSTS is short for "make-up obsessed trans girl or normie trans girl".

www.reddit.com/user/tailcalled/submitted/

>>8827589
Is that Survey?

> Before you started seeing yourself as female, did you ever imagine yourself as female in sexual fantasies?

Yes

> Have you acted in extremely gender-atypical ways your entire life?

Yes

> Did you spend a lot of time fantasizing about being a woman before transitioning?

Yes

* How do you feel about your genitals? Have you ever used them?

I'm ok with my penis and yes I have used it on women.

* Do you pass? How important is passing to you? How strictly do you define passing?

No, but I just started AA. Extremely important. Very strictly.

> Which well-known trans women do you relate to? Which don't you relate to?

Don't know enough about any of them.

> What are your interests/hobbies?

Vidya, computers, reading, science

>What are your porn habits? What were they in the past?

Hardcore porn addict since early teens. Toned down a lot cause AA's are reducing my libido, though.

>>8830310
Should probably clarify 99.5% straight porn but sometimes extremely feminine completely smooth skinny twinks getting topped by jocks/ bears. Any and all body hair on the twink turns me off and I can't watch it.

>>8826645
What if you're both a programmer and make-up obsessed?

>>8830336
agp

>>8830343
Then you are a narcissistic AGP. :^)

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>>8823490
>>Animu, Games, Programming,
Oh God can you get more A G P than this, my man?

>>8823623
Pic related.

>>8821890
Have you ever actually read a bendergending mango before? There are no females there, it's either a seme (big boy) or an uke (submissive boy).
It's all boys, my man.

what are those

>>8833626
A Girl Programmer and HomoSexual Transitioning to Seduce

>>8833653
w e w
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>>8819571
pretty sure i started out hsts and then years of repression have turned it into agp.

>>8833653
>HomoSexual Transitioning to Seduce
Heh, I like that tbhon

>>8833686
The AGP one was good too.

>>8819571
Where's the option for "I agree with the typology but I genuinely don't know where I stand"