How redpilled is /lgbt/?

>>8805702
You mean what do we think about (((them)))?

>>8805702
Red pilled on what, exactly? Everyone is an individual so they're likely to have differing beliefs in general, but even more so when you look at specific issues. A good example is, despite considering myself to be on the left I'm not actually for the gun control measures the democrats push, and I'm sure many on the left feel the same on other issues. If you want good answers to this, you need to specify which issues you're referring to.

>>8805707
Yes, answer me this please.

>>8805715
I just want to know if /lgbt/ knows about how the Democratic party, and SJWs are simply using them as some sort of scape goat to further their own agenda.

>>8805726
>Yes, answer me this please.
It's not really a question when the answer has been right under our noses for 80 years, is it, senpai?

>I just want to know if /lgbt/ knows about how the Democratic party, and SJWs are simply using them as some sort of scape goat to further their own agenda.
Of course, and there will be a huge right-wing and moderate backlash against us as a result.

>>8805726
The democrats are using the lgbt community as much as they're using any other group, like how the Republican party uses Christians. I don't really believe every single democrat is pro-lgbt, but the majority likely is, given that 73% of democrat voters support it. Aside from that, it isn't like the republican establishment is doing gays any favors so why should I do them the favor of voting for them, especially when I disagree with their stances on a whole multitude of other things? That isn't to say that everyone agrees with me, some people support the republicans despite their hostile stands towards lgbt (see: Caitlyn Jenner) but that's because she supports them on other issues.

>>8805740
>Of course, and there will be a huge right-wing and moderate backlash against us as a result.
Not likely seeing as how 40% of republicans and 70% of independents support gay marriage, but even if that was the case, what do you propose we do? Support a party that doesn't support us? If republicans dropped the anti-gay shit I'm sure that politics in the gay community would end up being more neutral than it is now but seeing as how even today republicans are against it I don't see that happening soon.

>>8805702
/tttt/ is way more right-wing than the LGBT community in general, a lot of people only come here because their opinions would get them ostracised in mainstream LGBT spaces (cislesgen is a great example, it leans right-wing but nearly every lesbian I've met IRL is some shade of left-wing).

This board is also filled with really, really self-loathing repressed and masochistic individuals who believe they are lesser and deserve bad treatment (again, a group of people way more likely to unironically try to join in with right-wing parties that hate them because they desperately want to feel accepted again than any gay with self-respect would). Also bear in mind that this board is 90% trannies who try to compensate for their feelings of inadequacy when faced by cis women by acting really misogynistic (plus [[[[people raised as]]]] men are more likely to be right-wing than women in general.

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Very RED pilled

>>8805765
Neither of the zogbot parties are doing anything substantial to stop the encroachment of the state on individual rights, fix health care, education, or stop the demographic destruction of our nation. I only support the Republicans in as much as they aren't explicitly anti-white.

>>8805766
>cislesgen is a great example, it leans right-wing
What makes cislesgen right wingish? I've never really read those threads. Do they want to transfer from an income tax to a flat rate consunption tax?

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>>8805702
Pretty redpilled tbqh.

>>8805775
Big business is doing more damage to all of those things than the state is, sorry to tell you. Free speech isn't convenient to companies because that could threaten their profits by making people less likely to work for them or buy their products, healthcare is so fucked because of the profit incentive to gouge sick people for all their worth that insurance companies have, and the demographic shift of the nation is due to the fact that its more beneficial to import low skilled laborers than it is to pay workers here a living wage. Stop buying into corporate funded talking points and take the actual red pill, that the republican party is worse than the democrats because they SUPPORT big business and corporate authoritarianism. (I'm the guy you were replying to, not the other guy posting communism)

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literally this board is full of authoritarian useful idiots for the neo lib marxist globalist kabal jews

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The yellow-black pill is better.

>>8805747
because repubs want you to be able to become a millionaire and contribute to the world but dems just want to keep you poor and serve their agenda and fill your community with dindus and towel heads

>>8805804
>(((big business)))
>(((big finance)))
>(((big media)))
>(((big sjw)))
>(((big military industrial complex)))
>(((big pharma)))
>(((big american medical association)))
>(((big higher education)))

All run by the same people, famalam.

>>8805804
Not that anon, but can you give an example?

>>8805804
YEAH BUT AS LONG AS THE MARKET STAY FREE THEN THERE IS A CHANCE TO SELF CORRECT WITH COMPETITION AND DECENTRALIZATION

ONCE THE GOV TAKES CONTROL OF AN INDUSTRY THERE IS NO FUCKING GOING BACK

AND THE MEDICAL INDUSTRY IS THE WAY IT IS BECAUSE THE GOV GAVE THEM A MONOPOLY ON PRESCRIPTION DRUGS

WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO BUY WHATEVER MEDICATION WE WANT BUT WE HAVE TO GO TO JEW DOCTORS ATM

>>8805817
It's funny. At the top, people are on different "sides", but end up being friends with eachother. They're all helping eachother. They just have to play by the established rules.

>>8805793
please, it's never actually about right-wing economics, you vote for the package and the package comes with
>racism
common in clg, *extremely* rare for someone to be openly racist in IRL lesbian spaces
>pro-gun
common in clg, fairly rare IRL
>hate trannies and wants them to fuck off and die
actually extremely common for IRL lesbians to not want to date transwomen, but they're generally broadly supportive of trans rights and their ability to exist as people
>hate bisexuals and want them to fuck off and die
there's actually lots of biphobia among lesbians IRL but most people won't state it openly until they've got to know you, again, often more about just not really being into dating bisexuals rather than thinking they're all a bunch of no-good degenerate cheaters faking it for attention. among the younger generation it's definitely a minority opinion as well, I'd say only about a third of the lesbians I know don't like dating bisexuals

etcetera. If you're interested in how LGBT people vote when a right-wing party isn't openly hostile towards them you could look into UK politics. Gay marriage got approved under the Conservatives, we've got an openly lesbian woman leading the Scottish Conservatives and several gay Conservative MPs , but most gay people still vote for left-wing parties because they think supporting gay rights is empty posturing to try to win votes and most of the MPs are still homophobic in private even if they party prevents them saying it aloud (unless they're UKIP, who are stupid enough to have had multiple gaffes where members revealed their true colours). Younger people tend to be more left-wing anyway, older people still remember when the Conservatives were extremely hostile to gay rights until the mid-00s and still won't vote for them, but there's definitely a sizeable minority of affluent gays voting right-wing because of economic or immigration issues, especially men.

>>8805702
fuck you and all your politics - left and right - abusing and exploiting LGBT for your needs while still treating us like we are not human

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>>8805858
AND THATS WHY THEY ARE TRYING TO DIVIDE AND CONQUER THE POOR WITH RACE BAITING AND DUMP YOUR TRUMP SUPPORTING FRIENDS AND ALL WHITES ARE NAZIS SHIT

THEY KNOW THAT IF EVERYONE BANDED TOGETHER AND WENT LIBERTARIAN THEY WOULD BE FUCKED

TRUMP IS ACTUALLY TRYING TO HELP US

STOP COMPLAINING AND LEARN A SKILL LIKE PROGRAMMING C++

>>8805816

The republicans don't want you to be rich, THEY want to be rich and to be able to use their money to steal democracy out of the hands of the people, same with democrats

>>8805817

Where did I say they weren't? I'm pretty sure I blamed the corporate elite in general.

>>8805825

I don't actually disagree with this, I think that a command economy is a bad idea and support a democratic market socialist economy. The way I think things should be arranged is pretty similar to how most libertarians/an-caps think things should be set up, with the small difference that businesses are run democratically as opposed to how they are now. There's plenty of other people more qualified to explain this than I am but basically businesses are run in a way that mimics authoritarian regimes on a smaller scale but people don't realize this because they are trained to think its just the fault of them having shitty bosses. No senpai, its the whole system that works like this, people that have good bosses have them because they use their ultimate authority over others to provide for them and take their thoughts and opinions into account. I also don't support the government taking over the economy and think it should mostly stay out of business for the most part, except that I think economic democracy(aka people within a business voting for how its run) should be the law of the land.

>>8805871

Trump ran on the message of wanting to help with this but I think people need to realize the populism was all for show and that the people who supported him have been conned. That being said, race baiting is a genuine issue, its a known strategy of the rich to divide people up in order to control the outer limits of the debate, aka "you may speak about whether we should have a multicultural society or not, but never say that race shouldn't matter and that the real enemies are the rich who are pulling the strings"

>>8805817
You anti-Semites are fucking ridiculous. Go elsewhere with your paranoid fantasies. This stormfag infiltration of 4chan is so annoying.

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>>8805917
>the republicans don't want you to be rich, THEY want to be rich
BUT IF YOU ARE CREATING WEALTH WITH YOUR COMPANY THEN THAT MAKES THE OVERALL MARKET HEALTHIER AND HELPS THEM GET RICH AS WELL. AUTHORITARIANS WANT THE OPPOSITE AND WANT TO CONTROL YOU MARXIST STYLE.


>businesses are run democratically
THIS IS A FUCKING RETARDED IDEA AND WILL RESULT IN MOB RULE. DECENTRALIZATION HEDGES AGAINST MASSES OF RETARDS. WHAT ABOUT SELF EMPLOYED ARTISTS OR PROGRAMMERS OR CONTENT CREATORS? DO THEIR PATREONS GET RUN BY DEMOCRACY? WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO UNPOPULAR OPINIONS EVEN IF THEY ARE RIGHT OR TRUE?

>Trump ran on the message of wanting to help with this but I think people need to realize the populism was all for show
PROOF????????? HE IS STILL TRYING TO DO MORE FOR YOUR AVERAGE MILLIONAIRE THAN ANY OTHER POLITICIAN. WHEN HIS TAX REFORMS COME OUT AND HE ABOLISHES THE DEATH TAX THEN THAT WILL BE MORE APPARENT.

AND RACE BAITING IS FUCKING GAYYYYYYY BECAUSE ANYONE WITH HALF A BRAIN KNOWS THAT A PERSONS FUCKING RACE IS THEIR LEAST IMPORTANT TRAIT BUT ITS FUCKED UP WHEN THEY REPLACE WHITE ACTORS IN MOVIES AND SHIT AND CONSTANTLY TELL PEOPLE TO HATE WHITE PEOPLE AND WHITE PEOPLE SHOULLLLD BE ABLE TO TAKE PRIDE IN THEIR EUROPEAN CULTURE EVEN IF THEY SHARE IT WITH BROWN PEOPLE

>>8805975
THERE REALLY ARE A BUNCH OF GLOBALIST BANKERS THAT ARE TEARING SHIT UP THOUGH AND THEY HAPPEN TO BE JEWISH

WHAT THEY HAVE DONE IS TRY TO CREATE CONSPIRACIES AROUND JUDASIM SO THAT IDIOTS WILL SAY (((JEWS))) AND SHIT AND THEN THEY CAN CALL THEM RACIST OR WHATEVER

BUT THERE REALLY ARE JEWISH FRATERNITYS JUST LIKE THERE ARE MASONIC FRATS LIKE SKULL AND BONES

>>8806000
calm the fuck down, capslock-chan

FYI most large companies don't create much wealth, it gets stored offshore and doesn't re-enter the market. dollar-for-dollar, small businesses or even people on welfare reinvest way more in the economy.

>>8806000
>BUT IF YOU ARE CREATING WEALTH WITH YOUR COMPANY THEN THAT MAKES THE OVERALL MARKET HEALTHIER AND HELPS THEM GET RICH AS WELL. AUTHORITARIANS WANT THE OPPOSITE AND WANT TO CONTROL YOU MARXIST STYLE.

Socialism =/= command economy. Also I don't think there's anything wrong with a company generating wealth, I just think that those companies should be democratically run so that their wealth is distributed in a way that the people generating the wealth decide upon

>THIS IS A FUCKING RETARDED IDEA AND WILL RESULT IN MOB RULE. DECENTRALIZATION HEDGES AGAINST MASSES OF RETARDS. WHAT ABOUT SELF EMPLOYED ARTISTS OR PROGRAMMERS OR CONTENT CREATORS? DO THEIR PATREONS GET RUN BY DEMOCRACY? WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO UNPOPULAR OPINIONS EVEN IF THEY ARE RIGHT OR TRUE?

I don't mean that the entire economy should be democratically voted on, I mean that within those companies the workers should be able to vote on how the company they work at should be run. The idea of "mob rule" has been used against the idea of political democracy time and time again but still people don't see how this is a bad argument. My general feelings on command economies is that they're bad because it would only accomplish the same things a capitalist economy would, people deciding how other peoples work should be managed, not to mention that command economies lead to a ruling class that eventually wants corporate tyranny back so they "open" their economies again (China, Russia, ect.). If someone is self employed then they would continue on as normal, they are the only one producing the labor being managed and as such should be the only ones making decisions on that labor.

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>>8806000

>PROOF????????? HE IS STILL TRYING TO DO MORE FOR YOUR AVERAGE MILLIONAIRE THAN ANY OTHER POLITICIAN. WHEN HIS TAX REFORMS COME OUT AND HE ABOLISHES THE DEATH TAX THEN THAT WILL BE MORE APPARENT.

He's been packing the swamp tighter and tighter, if he wanted to help people he should start by strengthening laws that protect workers and consumers, not gutting them and refusing to stock agencies with people competent enough to enact good policy

>AND RACE BAITING IS FUCKING GAYYYYYYY BECAUSE ANYONE WITH HALF A BRAIN KNOWS THAT A PERSONS FUCKING RACE IS THEIR LEAST IMPORTANT TRAIT BUT ITS FUCKED UP WHEN THEY REPLACE WHITE ACTORS IN MOVIES AND SHIT AND CONSTANTLY TELL PEOPLE TO HATE WHITE PEOPLE AND WHITE PEOPLE SHOULLLLD BE ABLE TO TAKE PRIDE IN THEIR EUROPEAN CULTURE EVEN IF THEY SHARE IT WITH BROWN PEOPLE

I've done nothing but agree with the thought that race baiting is stupid

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I'm an anti-SJW socdem if that tells you what you want to know.

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<-------- that much

I was here before thedonald and all those goobergaters came to 4chan.

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If you ain't anti-state you're anti-my m8

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>>8806123
This.

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>>8806094
>He's been packing the swamp tighter and tighter, if he wanted to help people he should start by strengthening laws that protect workers and consumers, not gutting them and refusing to stock agencies with people competent enough to enact good policy
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN YOU FUCK WITH THE FREE MARKET IT GETS CANCER. REGULATIONS AND BAIL OUTS JUST FEED THE CANCER. IF WORKERS WANT MORE SHIT THEN THEY NEED TO FIGURE OUT WAYS OF ACCOMPLISHING THAT WITHIN THE RULES ALREADY ESTABLISHED FOR OUR MARKET. GETTING BIG BROTHER TO INTERVENE ONLY LEADS TO CRASHES AND LESS PROSPERITY. DECENTRALIZATION IS WHAT WORKERS REALLY WANT AND MORE FREEDOM AND THE CHANCE TO RUN THEIR OWN BUSINESS BUT REGULATIONS WILL DO THE OPPOSITE.

>"mob rule" has been used against the idea of political democracy time and time again
CENTRALIZED POWER IS A BAD IDEA EVEN IF IT IS DEMOCRATIC. DECENTRALIZATION HEDGES AGAINST THIS.

YOU FAGGOTS ACTUALLY THOUGHT THAT A STRONG CENTRAL GOVERNMENT WOULD PROTECT YOU FROM STATES LIKE SOUTH CAROLINA WITH THEIR BATHROOM LAWS BUT THEN THE POLITICAL PENDULUM SWUNG BACK AND TRUMP BANNED THE TRANS FROM THE MILITARY. THE SOLUTION IS TO HEDGE AGAINST MOB RULE BY DECENTRALIZING POWER STRUCTURES AND LET SMALL COMMUNITIES BE SELF GOVERNING. LET THE FUCKING RETARDS LIVE IN THEIR OWN REtARD CORNER. DONT FORCE THEM TO BE PART OF A BIGGER DEMOCRACY THAT FUCKS US ALL IN THE BUTTHOLE.

>>8806123
THE PROBLEM IS THAT LITTLE KIDS THOUGHT THAT THE TROLLS THAT USED NAZISM TO GET RESPONSES WERE ACTUALLY BEING SERIOUS AND NOW THEY ARE UNIRONICALLY SUPPORTING TROLL IDEAS. THEYRE RETARDS AND THEY ARE AN AUTHORITARIAN CANCER ALMOST AS BAD AS MARXISTS. THE ONLY SOLUTION IS TO LET THEM HAVE THEIR OWN RETARD COMMUNITY SEPARATE FROM THE REST OF US.

LIBERTARIANISM IS THE ONLY NON REtARDED POLITICAL IDEOLOGY BUT IT HAS TO BE DONE RIGHT

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>>8806140
The market is itself a tool of domination, it's a game of quake duel where your opponent gets a 500 stack and you're not allowed any pickups.

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>>8806140
Libertarianism is ironically, anti-individual, it relies on the collective action of "willing" participation in corporate society, no matter what, every throne filled a thousand graves, every corporate throne was built by a thousand slaves, the oh so free market that we have in the west relies on third world sweatshop labour and unfair laws, without them it would crumble under its own capitalist inefficiency like any third world attempt at capitalism. Unlike the ironically individualist collectivist systems that only fail after years of sabotage by the united snakes. A properly decentralized system with autonomous communities may, ///may/// have a market, but it's unlikely as that would require some form of left-market anarchism, a dead ideology, replaced mostly by social-anarchism and post-leftists like the nihilists like Aragorn.

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>>8806146
YOURE ONLY COMPLAINING BECAUSE YOURE TOO LAZY TO TRY AND ACTUALLY CREATE SOMETHING OR BE SUCCESFUL

ITS REMARKABLY EASY TO EARN VALUE AND THE MARKET REWARDS INTELLIGENCE

YOU SHOULD BE CELEBRATING THIS INSTEAD OF CALLING FOR MARXISM WHICH ONLY REWARDS KNUCKLE DRAGGING MOUTH BREATHING VIOLENT AUTHORITARIANS

>>8806167
YOURE FUCKING RETARDED. FREE TRADE IS WHAT OUR MARKET IS BUILT ON. IF THE SWEATSHOPS DISSIPATED THEN THE MARKET WOULD ADAPT AND YOU WOULD SEE MORE DOMESTIC PRODUCTION. THE MARKET CAN ADPAT TO ANY FUCKING SITUATION.

AND LIBERTARIANISM IS THE DEFINITION OF INDIVIDUALISM. SURE IT COULD GO BAD IN SOME SCENARIOS BUT IT DOESNT HAVE TO BE THAT WAY AND IF WE SLOWLY TRANSITION TO A LIBERTARIAN SOCIETY WITH PROPERLY THOUGHT OUT AGREEMENTS AND ALLIANCES THEN THAT WOULD BE THE ULTIMATE EXISTENCE.

WOULD YOU RATHER LIVE IN THE REBEL ALLIANCE OR BE A SLAVE TO THE EMPIRE (WHICH IRONICALLY PROMISES YOU A STAR TREK SOCIETY)?

AND HOW THE FUCK WOULD MARXISM WORK WHEN WE ALL HAVE 3D PRINTERS AND YOUR AVERAGE PERSON CONTROL PRODUCTION AND PRODUCTION FIRMS WOULD BE A BUNCH OF A SUB CONTRACTORS.

ALSO THE UNIVERSE IS INHERENTLY CAPITALISTIC BECAUSE COMPUTERS CAN BE PROGRAMMED TO HAVE PASSWORDS SO THEY EXHIBIT OWNERSHIP.

ALSO GOOD LUCK ESCAPING THE 9-5 GRIND IN A MARXIST SOCIETY BUT IN A CAPITALIST SOCIETY YOU CAN MAKE MONEY YOURSELF AND BE SELF EMPLOYED AND THE INTERNET MAKES THAT EASIER THAN EVER.

>>8805726
>I just want to know if /lgbt/ knows about how the Democratic party, and SJWs are simply using them as some sort of scape goat to further their own agenda.

you realize both sides do this, right?

trump held up a flag and pretended he gave a fuck. its not better than that scum who was against gay marriage years ago and now says ''haha of course us liberals support lgbt people xdxd"

fuck everyone

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>>8806202
False.
Laziness is not the curse that plagues the underfed slaves that necessity demands your free market have. Your western paradise is build on blood, domination, destruction, imperialism, lies, laws, war, death and fucking slavery. Without the current modern interpretations of "the white mans burden" with western countries "liberating" the third world with pennies a day in wages to create the oh so "free" market that allows us a mostly service based industry, your system would collapse.
It naturally goes into crisis constantly because brutal, harsh, competition is not the natural state of success, cooperation is.

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>>8806202
>feudalism
>individualist
nah fampai

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>>8806222
more like anarcho autism.. amirite?

>>8806214
wow this is what they teach in marxist propaganda class?

What if every comment you made whining about "muh colonial empire" was instead a line of C++? You would probably be employable and have a different perspective.

Also the tech industry is a good example of how people can still run a profitable business while paying their employees high wages. And what about patreon content creators? THose would be absent in marxism and they are getting paid to do what they love.

Your vast generalizing statements are logically false. The free market does not require cheap labor to function. It can function equally well with expensive labor.

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>>8806305
>anarcho-marxism
NIGGA
THAT ISN'T A THING

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>>8806214
Always interesting to see leftists arguing against globalization and for economic nationalism.
Without the "western imperialism" (including economic through free trade) most of the world would still be warring tribes and feudal states. But moving factories to the third world helped to uplift countless serfs from their misery to a modern standard of living,

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>>8806344
>anarchist-nationalism
This fucking guy.
Call me atlas cause I am shruggin. Your worldview is too simple.

>>8805726
>the Democratic party, and SJWs are simply using them as some sort of scape goat to further their own agenda.
>implying it had ever been different.
You can basically trace all social movements back to young people who wanted to upset the old conservative generations out of spite.

If you compare things like lgbt rights to the "white girl coming home with a black guy just to spite her old racist father" stereotype, it all makes sense

>>8806346
Yours is a fairy tail, apparently.

>>8806391
Yeah, says the guy ranting about that evil "anarchist statism"

>>8806346
>Call me atlas cause I am shruggin.
L O L
O
L

I don't condone right wing extremism but you know these alt-righters are victims too. Victims of a system that makes healthcare a privilege, offers no guaranteed living wage, and makes you pay enormous sums for the education you need to escape poverty.

They're to be mad and to lash out, but they are lashing out against the wrong things. It's not muh minorities that are ruining their lives, it's muh bankers, and muh crooked politicos.

>>8806406
I wasn't ranting about anything ITT.
>>8806412
I keked at that part too, that anon has a good sense of humour.

>>8806432
Musta mistook you for capslock guy.

>>8806425
That's the point of the media, to be the brainwashing arm of big business. Propaganda is to democracy what the military/police are to authoritarianism.

>>8806305
tech products are unnecessary
they dont improve your life
at least fast food serves a direct tangible purpose of supplying something cheap and unhealthy
most tech products and solutions are just elaborate new age scams that don't admit implicitly being unhealthy
but most technology is unnatural and bad for you
hence why you're such a fuckin tard
you have all the samer symptoms of people who like pop music too much even though it sucks, "poptimism" but applied to tech being some kind of savior. yeah sure is great, tech sector, makin money off a new flappy bird game and new ai crawlers from ggole to steal your personal information to sell to saudi arabians

good stuff, dipshit. if we had some real socialism, we wouldnt need patreon begging

>>8806605
What about muh
C Y B E R S Y N
?

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>>8806605
>tech products are unnecessary
We have an unabomber over here!
Now throw your phone into trash and never come back to 4chan.

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>>8806212
>trump held up a flag and pretended he gave a fuck
Where is the evidence that he doesn't give a fuck? Hell, he has made trans people a pampered elite class who are free from serving in combat roles even in the case of a draft. Daddy Trump protects his /lgbt/ children.

>>8806627
Why is an iphone more necessary than a generic smartphone?

>>8806627
im browsing on a computer from 2003 with linux on it

but okay let me throw it in the trash, even though electronics are supposed to be put by curb with special pick up

even then, who would throw a phone in trash? isnt that exactly the problem im complaining about? you get one, throw it away rinse and repeat, but the old shit was perfectly fine. so they started adding planned obsolescence and planned failure to the devices. christ. how is any of that good? its magic money with products made to be replaced with insignificantly different "upgrades"

>>8806610
nigga why would you even trust machines to be viable parts of society

cant you all just be decent and not fuck each other over and work in a publicly shared factory without computer gods making you act a certain way, even if the computer gods are just stats taken from the factories, that shit is just more tyranny of despotic central planning

if capitalism organizes itself in selfish ways, why can't people organize themselves in altruistic ways

its because the lot of you are autistic and would rather have an artificial construct or an oligarchy tell you what to do because god knows youre lost without being given from heaven something or somebody to hate or a nondescript goal to work towards

maybe one day they will have an AI that can do better than capitalism, but it'll likely be just as hellish since it couldn't have empathy to understand parameters like "make it efficient, but make it so people dont have to work themselves to death" nigga u kno that computer is going to work you close to death in the most utilitarian way. you wont die, but youll want to.

Well I lean towards being communist so I guess I'm very "red" pilled. If you are asking if I am part of the meme alt-right movement, then god no, that would be horrifying. Despite engaging many of these people in debates I can't believe they actually believe what they claim, it's a completely empty political position with no economic theory or useful social analysis. If there was ever a politics of pure post-modernism, empty of content and based on nothing but aesthetics, it's the alt right.

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>>8806605
>tech products are unnecessary
YOURE POSTING ON AN ANIME FUCKING IMAGEBOARD YOU MARXIST PRIMAL KEK

SOMEDAY TECH IS GOING TO MAKE US LIVE FOR FUCKING EVER YOU FAGGOT AND IM GONNA BUILD A TIME MACHINE TO GET THERE

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>>8806605
>real socialism, we wouldnt need patreon begging

WHO WOULD PAY JOURNALISTS THAT GO AGAINST THE ESTABLISHMENT IF THE ESTABLISHMENT PAYS EVERYONE?

WOULD SOME CENTRALIZED AUTHORITY PAY FURRY ARTISTS TO SERVE A NICE COMMUNITY?


WTF IS "REAL SOCIALISM"????

SOCIALISM HAS BEEN TRIED MANY TIMES AND THE RESULT IS ALWAYS CORRUPTION OF THE CENTRALIZED AUTHORITY!! ABSOLUTE POWER AND ALL THAT

CAPITALISM REWARDS INTELLIGENCE AND CREATIVITY WHILE COMMUNISM REWARDS VIOLENCE

>>8805863
>we've got an openly lesbian woman leading the Scottish Conservatives
>UKIP, who are stupid enough to have had multiple gaffes where members revealed their true colours
UKIP's Scottish leader is openly gay and three of the current leadership candidates are currently gay. Remind me what UKIP's "true colours" are again?

>>8806777
capitalism rewards profit, intelligence and creativity are irrelevant

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>>8806682
>cant you all just be decent and not fuck each other over and work in a publicly shared factory

NO, ITS HUMAN NATURE TO BE FEARFUL AND GREEDY! THAT IS WHY ALL MARXIST SOCIETIES FAIL FROM CORRUPTION OF THE CENTRALIZED POWERS. CAPITALISM TAKES GREED AND FEAR AND TURNS IT INTO PROSPERITY, CREATIVITY AND TECHNOLOGY.

CAN MARXISTS SERIOUSLY NOT UNDERSTAND THE IMPERFECT NATURE OF HUMANS? THEY COMPLAIN SO MUCH ABOUT MUH GREEDY CAPITALISTS YET THEY FAIL TO REALIZE THAT CAPITALISM USES GAME THEORY TO HARNESS THOSE IMPERFECT HUMAN TRAITS.

ALSO CAPITALISM IS NOT AN ARTIFICIAL SYSTEM. IT IS SIMPLY FREEDOM. IF YOU ARE NOT FREE RIGHT NOW THAT IS YOUR OWN FAULT AND YOU HAVE THE POWER TO CHANGE THAT BUT YOU HAVE TO BE CREATIVE AND ADD VALUE TO OUR WORLD SOMEHOW.

BLACK MARKETS ALWAYS EXIST ESPECIALLY IN MARXISM. THERE IS A REASON THAT ORGANIZED CRIME REACHED PEAK SOPHISTICATION IN THE SOVIET UNION AND WHY ALL THE RICH PEOPLE IN NORTH KOREA MADE THEIR MONEY ON THE BLACK MARKET. ALSO THERE IS GOING TO BE GAMBLING NO MATTER WhAT. JUST LIKE DRUGS AND PROSTITUTION.

ALSO IT IS POSSIBLE TO PROGRAM COMPUTErS SO ONLY THEIR PROGRAMMER CAN USE THEM VIA PASSWORDS. THEREFORE INFORMATION SYSTEMS INTRINSICALLY DISPLAY OWNERSHIP THEREFORE OUR UNIVERSE IS INHERENTLY CAPITALISTIC.

YOU MAY HAVE A SMALL POINT ABOUT CLAY AND WHO OWNS PARTS OF THE EARTH AND WHETHER PROPERTY PURCHASES ARE FAIR BUT THAT DOESNT MEAN PROPERTY AS A CONCEPT IS FLAWED JUST THAT IT*S IMPLEMENTATION MIGHT BE IMPERFECT IN ONE EXAMPLE OR ANOTHER.

WHO GETS TO OWN THE MOON OR MARS OR THE OCEAN OR DEEP UNDErSEA CAVES?? PROBABLY WHOEVER GOES THERE AND SETTLES IT FRIST!

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>>8806789
YOU HAVE TO BE SMART IF YOU WANNA GAME SPECULATIVE MARKETS LIKE STOCKS OR BITCOIN

YOU HAVE TO BE CREATIVE TO COME UP WITH A PRODUCT THAT OTHER PEOPLE WILL BUY

YOU HAVE TO BE SMART TO PROGRAM SOFTWARE THAT OTHER PEOPLE WILL USE

ETC ETC ETC

HOW DOES CAPITALISM NOT REWARD INTELLIGENCE AND CREATIVITY?

SPEWING A BUNCH OF POST MODERN MEMES DOESNT MEAN SHIT FUCK BOY!

>>8806787
UKIP's true colours are still being a bunch of racist homophobes, with a different MP or councillor outing themselves as such every few days when they were actually relevant. Their supporters don't give that much of a fuck about the gays (or UKIP's shitty economic policies) because they're literally only voting for them to get rid of the foreigners (and I worked in 'spoons so fuck, I met enough of them).

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>>8806787
CONSERVATISM MEANS CONSERVING VALUES LIKE FREEDOM AND SAFETY AND PROSPERITY

GAY PEOPLE SHOULD LOVE THOSE THINGS

LIBERAL NOW MEANS MARXIST GLOBALIST AND AUTHORITARIAN AND UNIRONICALLY MUSLIM SO GAY PEOPLE SHOULD FUCKING HATE THAT SHIIIIT

>>8806816
I see we're playing ignore reality and just throw libels around. Probably why you lost the referendum.

>>8806815
You're so fucking naively idealistic you make libertarians look like they live in the real world. The "winners" of competing software and consumer products often have less to do with which is better and more to do with other factors like advertising or under-the-table deals. Plenty of worthwhile, creative endeavours will never make profit. Once a company has a monopoly or dominant market position its in their interests to stifle newer creative ideas to retain the profit in their own hands.

Also if you're so smart please fucking stop using caps lock.

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>>8806787
>Conservatives
Enjoy your Great Firewall.

>>8806852
You're right of course, they are just as much the virtue signalling authoritarians as Labour.

>>8806822
If you think UKIP MPs regularly putting their foot in their mouth is just "libel" you're living with alternative facts.

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>>8806826
>>8806826
YOU ARE FUCKING RETARDED. JUST BECAUSE CAPITALISM ISNT PERFECT IN EVERY EXAMPLE DOES NOT MEAN THAT IT*S INHERENTLY FLAWED

TAKE MICROSHIT FOR EXAMPLE VERSUS LINUX? SURE MICROSOFT MADE MORE MONEY AT FIRST BUT LINUX IS BETTER PRODUCT AND PROBABLY MORE STABLE IN IT'S USERSHARE, INFACT LESS PEOPLE ARE USING WINDOWS AND MORE PEOPLE ARE USING LINUX. LINUX ALSO WAS ABLE TO BE FREELY DISTRIBUTED BUT STILL MAKE IT'S CREATOR RICH *THANKS* *TO* *CAPITALISM* AND *FREEDOM*

ALSO LINUX PROVES THE WORTH OF DECENTRALIZED MODELS OF PROFIT AND DISTRIBUTION. AND MANY LINUX CONTRIBUTORS ARE ABLE TO BE RICH INCLUDING LINUS WHO IS ALMOST A FUCKING BILLIONAIRE.

FURTHERMORE I WOULD ARGUE THAT BILL GATES AND WHOEVER ELSE FIGURES OUT HOW TO TRICK STUPID PEOPLE INTO BUYING THEIR SHITTY INFERIOR PRODUCTS STILL EXHIBIT CREATIVITY IN THEIR JEWNESS.

ALSO TAKE THE WORST SHOVELWARE PRODUCED IN THE WEST AND ITS STILL A MILLION FUCKING TIMES BETTER THAN ANY SOFTWARE DEVELOPED IN COMMUNIST SHITHOLES.

except tetris

ALSO ITS PERFECTLY POSSIBLE FOR YOU FUCKING MARXIST FAGGOTS TO HAVE YOUR OWN SMALL MICROCOSM OF COMMUNISM SOMEWHERE. YOU COULD BUILD A COMPANY OR EVEN A FUCKING CITY WHERE EVERYONE ABIDES BY MARXIST TRADITION AND THE BEST PART OF THE FREE MARKET IS THAT A MARXIST COMMUNITY COULD EXIST WITHIN IT. FREEDOM IS THE ULTIMATE SYSTEM AND CANNOT BE FUCKING BEATEN NO MATTER HOW MANY MENTAL GYMNASTICS YOU TRY.

ITS POSSIBLE FOR US TO HAVE OUR CAKE AND EAT IT TO. WHY DO YOU KARL FAGS MAKE YOUR OWN COMMUNE OR PRODUCTION HOUSE AND SPLIT EVERYTHING EVENLY?????

THE ONLY REASON YOU DONT WANT TO DO THAT IS CAUSE YOURE LAZY AND INEPT AND JUST A FAGGOT MILLIENIAL THAT WANTS TO MAKE EXCUSES FOR YOUR OWN FAILURES AND DESTRUCTION AND DONT WANT TO DO ANYTHING CREATIVE. BY THE TIME YOU EXERTED THE EFFORT REQUIRED TO MAKE YOUR OWN MARXIST MICROCOSM YOU WOULD REALIZE THAT ITS WAY BETTER TO JUST BE CREATIVE AND BE A CAPITALIST AND ITS WAY EASIER TO JUST MAKE MONEY USING YOUR TALENT.

>>8806868
>Tory pretending to miss the point
Why switch formula just because it's as transparent as air?

>>8806877
>except tetris
I'm glad you finally learned how to turn caps lock off.

>>8806880
>implying I'm a Tory
gogay4corbyn

>>8806789
>intelligence and creativity are irrelevant to profit
W R O N G
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>when your caps lock broke but there's still plenty of fools on the internet you need to school today

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>>8806882
FUCK YOU COMMIE SCUMMMMMM!!


CNN BITCHES ABOUT RACISM ALL DAY EVEN THOUGH ITS JUST A BUNCH OF EDGY TEENAGERS YET THERE ARE LITERALLY HORDES OF NIGGERS THAT WOULD LOVE TO STEAL FROM AND MURDER THE RICH IF IT MEANT MORE MONEY IN THEIR WELFARE CHECKS AND CHEAPER FRIED CHICKEN!

MARXISTS ARE FUCKING WEALTHISTS AND DISCRIMINATE AGAINST RICH PEOPLE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>8805825
>>8805871
>>8806000
>>8806006
>>8806140
>>8806202
>>8806777
TURN YOUR CAPS LOCK OFF FAGGOT

>>8807043
WHY DO YOU CARE SO MUCH BITCH?

>>8806815
Fuck off you stupid piece of shit.
An economic system is supposed to allocate resources efficiently, I don't give a fuck how smart it is and how much enterpreneurial genius it requires. You are literally swimming in ideology.

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>>8805702
>redpilled

Anyone who uses this word un-ironically is an idiot.

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>>8808301
>An economic system is supposed to allocate resources efficiently
Which socialism fails to do and this has been proven time and time again through history.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6G59zsjM2UI