Daily reminder that Blanchard denialism hurts actual people,

>>8784054
>like the countless young AGPs who think they're boys with a fetish
Blanchard says they ARE boys with a fetish, and that the fetish should be cured. Transitioning is a last resort treatment in adults. AGP is a mental illness under his model, as is HSTS transsexuality.

>the HSTSes who wonder why other transwomen are so different
They aren't though. Get outside 4chan. What do you see in your local LGBT community?

>loss of trans acceptance from cis people who can never understand incoherent false explanations of dysphoria
Gay acceptance gained ground when National Geographic and the like started running articles about the biological basis of homosexuality. Homosexuality not being a choice was a major point of the argument. The same is true for the biological argument for transsexuality. If anything supporting Blanchardianism does the opposite, which is why most of the people who do are anti-trans activists like TERFs.

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>>8784054
>>8784088
Here's Blanchard supporting trans conversion therapy for the underaged though, of course, he argues it is not conversion therapy because that strictly refers to converting homosexuals :^)

https://twitter.com/BlanchardPhD/status/821078199782309890

>>8784105
That is the dumbest fucking shit. Goddamn.

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>>8784105
>>8784111
But wait there's more!

>>8784111
His time is almost up. Take solace in that fact.

Blanchard is the hero we need desu

>>8784054
But AGP doesn't make one automatically trans

>loss of trans acceptance from cis people who can never understand incoherent false explanations of dysphoria.
I can only speak for myself but for me as a cis person that wasn't always very pro-trans Blanchard typology made me respect trans people more than typical vague "women trapped in mens bodies" narrative.

>>8784123
Lmao what kind of researcher uses the first hit on a Google search as "proof" of a word's proper definition within culture, this guy is such a hack.

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>>8784054
>>8784105
>>8784123
And don't forget: y'all crazy! Transitioning is a palliative treatment for chronic crazy which couldn't be properly treated. A worst case solution.

Epilogue:
Would you trust this man?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNvNvRWUWw8

>>8784161
>That first tweet
Holy shit is Blanchard curehon?!

>>8784088
>>8784105
>>8784123
>>8784161
Just because Blanchard thinks that kids shouldn't transition doesn't mean you can't believe his core theory while still thinking kids should be allowed to transition.

>>8784208
I hate to ruin a good meme but it went like this:
1) I argued with Curegirl and, at some point, presented Blanchard's point of view.
2) She latched on to the exact words I used.
She does this a lot. Once someone said some study contains "very low quality evidence" and she's been repeating that ever since, applying it to every trans study presented to her. Same for "correlation!=causation".

>>8784214
His whole theory implies that transsexualtiy can be cured if caught early enough. You make HSTSs accept themselves as gay men and help them deal with how rejected they feel by society. You help AGP heterosexuality beat their paraphilia before the latter develops into a cross-sex identity. You can't believe it and think he's wrong about this. Any view of these conditions as innate and inevitable is unblanchardian.

>>8784233
This is fucked up though. Trannies are more hated than gays.

However, if there would be cure, that would be great :D

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>>8784217
>You created the monster

>>8784288
>tfw you don't have the strength to nofap for 2 years as curegirl suggests so you have to be a tranny

>>8784233
I'm talking about the core of his theory (that there are two types of transness, one of which is based on a paraphilic desire to be the opposite sex, and the other of which is fundamentally similar to homosexuality) which is less specific and better supported by evidence than the elements you're talking about. It's still pretty damn Blanchardian to say that there are two types of trans people, one of which is driven by fundamentally the same thing as gay people are, and the other of which is driven by fundamentally the same thing as straight AGP men are.

>>8784391
http://www.avitale.com/developmentalreview.htm

>>8784391
>It's still pretty damn Blanchardian to say that there are two types of trans people

Nope, division into twain means nothing without supporting evidence. You lack that supporting evidence. Everything else is scrambling to make up for that lack of supporting evidence because you *want to believe* rather then actually believing. Like a /x/.

>>8784669
What does that have to do with Blanchard?

>>8784233
As a repressor who has been rekt by AGP, I want to know how treating young teenage boys for it is supposed to work.

Do you explain the condition, shame them for it and scare them with tales of hondom?

Or do you explain the condition, emphasize that they are a boy with an ELTE, they are not a woman and never will be and then tell them to enjoy their AGP?

>>8788256
Blanchard doesn't see AGP as this innate, incurable thing. Since a cross-sex identity is only developed over time as a result of engaging in paraphilic behavior and heterosexuality "competes" with AGP he'd try to make you heterosexual and to never give in to AGP urges so you stay cis.

OP pic was DSM 3

why are we discussing a two generation old shrink? does the dsm 5 cause you mental anguish?

>>8784054
im tired of hearing blanchardism. I am AGP but so what? What matters is that I repressed so long and now its too late now, I will never be able to be stealth, I will never be able to cure AGP(tried no fap for 4 months- still massive dysphoria), nothing works
I regret for not transitioning early although I know I am just a fucking trash with a fetish.
so... Its just a fetish right?
I want to kms because I can't cope with just a fetish. What a joke.
Seriouly tho, I've never dated men or women. im not even sexual. I just want to be small and cute and have a bf whos taller than me. I can't believe this all started on fetish.

>>8788334
Have you considered the idea that you're just trans and that the source of your feelings isn't a fetish?

>>8784487
>>8784669
Can you two try and reach agreement on whether two groups makes sense and then get back to me afterwards?

>>8788276
Are you using cross-sex identity here to describe something that could also be called "gender aspiration" - a persistent desire/aspiration to become the opposite gender - or to describe an actual belief that one *is* the opposite gender?

>>8784123
This old fuck is still alive?

>>8788369
I just posted article because it seems to create simmilar outcome to Blanchards - basically two types, but with different explanation for it.

>>8788369
>Are you using cross-sex identity here to describe something that could also be called "gender aspiration" - a persistent desire/aspiration to become the opposite gender - or to describe an actual belief that one *is* the opposite gender?
It can take a variety of forms. I'm following Blanchard's own definition. He argued that trans people don't literally think they're the other sex (at least not innately) but that they feel they "should" be and identify with being of the other sex. This cross-sex identity is not inborn but developed, and can't be cured once it is entrenched in adults. You identify with being a woman without thinking that you are actually a woman. "I identify as a woman" is more than " I aspire to be like a woman".

>>8788374
Alive and shitposting on twitter.

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>>8788374
also the video I posted earlier was made by him all of his music videos are trippy as fuck

>>8788538
>It can take a variety of forms. I'm following Blanchard's own definition. He argued that trans people don't literally think they're the other sex (at least not innately) but that they feel they "should" be and identify with being of the other sex. This cross-sex identity is not inborn but developed, and can't be cured once it is entrenched in adults. You identify with being a woman without thinking that you are actually a woman. "I identify as a woman" is more than " I aspire to be like a woman".
That's what I thought. I really dislike using the words "gender identity" for this, since it seems like confusing terminology, but I'm aware other people do it.

>>8788648
Well, "I feel like I'm a woman" isn't any clearer, yes? It's not just aspirational even if you don't actually believe that you're a woman.

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>>8784233
Goddamn I love Blanchard. The real issue is we need psych drugs that stop dysphoric thoughts without causing weight gain so trannies will actually take them.

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>>8788682
Captain Blanchard!
Cis Gay hero!
Gonna take gender pollution down to zero!

>>8788692
Wait wait better as gender confusion

>>8784208
Just here to clear some things up, bitterhons.
I don't support Blanchard. While I am a strong supporter of alternative methods as a whole, I don't agree with most points Blanchard makes.

There is not enough evidence.

>>8784217
I'm not a girl. Nice try, bitterhon.
Making up more lies again?
>>>/mtfg/

>>8784233
From what the evidence shows, conversion "therapy" doesn't work. Period.

[citation needed].

>>8784270
This is true.
Let's right for the cure together, a real one not some blanchardian drivel.
>>8784288
Does /mtfg/ seriously have that little of a life that their best argument is memes?

I will never, ever trap myself.
Not an argument.

>>8784328
I'm not a girl. Also, nice meme post.
You never have to trap yourself. It's a choice.

>>8784391
Supporter of the AGP concept here, but not of HSTS.

>>8784669
This, there's no evidence.

>>8788256
This. Please provide the citations for successful treatment.

>>8788276
There are AGPs that have been AGP from their very first fap. It can be outright as an orientation.

However, abstaining is a good idea regardless, and he is correct in that it progresses over time.

STOP FAPPING, START LIVING!

>>8788334
4 months isn't long enough for extreme AGP cases, it can be up to 2 years in the case of strong porn addiction. Additionally, it's not all "just a fetish". It's a mental illness that is often caused by a fetish but not always. We don't know the true mechanisms behind what causes AGP, but they are numerous I would say.

NoFap cannot cure everyone, just most. It's worth a try regardless, and thanks for giving it at least the basic 90 days.

Asexual AGP, if it's anything like mine (AGP as an orientation) is mostly unhelpable, sadly.

I don't want those things, and neither do you.
However we have a mental illness that makes us think we want those things.

We need to fight for a cure and fight back!
>>>/repgen/

>>8788351
>>>/mtfg/

>>8788374
Damn right he is.

>>8788682
Well, as someone who loves Blanchard I'm sure you'll be pleased to know that Blanchard said there is no known cure for gender dysphoria in adults, including your pills, and that transitioning is the only effective palliative treatment for extreme cases. Youths, too, can't be cured by chemicals. He believes in psychotherapy for those. Conversion therapy, in effect, though he does not call it that.

Spoiler: you won't accept any of this because you're that one retarded TERF who keeps shilling infowars-tier cures.

>>8788658
fuck off old fag go buy a diaper

>>8788682
This. We need a drug that simply turns off the dysphoric feelings, but leaves everything else unaffected. It needs to be very selective.

>>8788538
>>8788648
I have a question for both of you.

In what sense is an agp *not* a woman?

>inb4 presentation because that's arbitrary, changes in five minutes and between different friends and makes butch tomboys men

>inb4 biological be intersex and if you go by this when you admit trannies can only ever be intersex

>>8788703
We need new ones that aren't palliative.

>>8788703
The cure has nothing to do with being a TERF.
It's possible, but you claim it isn't as you have to shill your equally infowars-tier bullshit traditional narrative.

>>8788706
u wot? I'm talking to a Blanchardian about his conception, not supporting that view. I already said Blanchard's retarded.

>>8788710
This research is as important as cancer, in all honesty. If we can cure this, we can cure anything.

I'd be willing to fund >10k into a cure, but nobody is willing to research it, hmm? I wonder why when there's all this demand for one..

Oh wait.. thanks bitterhons with your bullshit traditional narrative.

>>8788293
Did OP pic get "un peer reviewed"?

Did the Journal of Sex Research "un publish" it?

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>>8788712

Captain Blanchard!

Cis Gay hero!

Gonna take gender confusion down to zero!

The power is xirs!

If someone is willing to start a pro-gay anti-trans comic called "The Adventures of Captain Blanchard" I will pay $50 to ur Patreon or whatever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogMBLRHJYXU

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>>8788716
Lol goddamn u trannies r delusional. I just want you to stop autistically screeching.

>>8788708
I think Blanchard is full of shit and that the AGP/HSTS division makes zero sense. Do you still want an answer to why I think an "AGP" is not a woman?

>>8788718
I'd pay for this too, in all honesty.
I'm hopelessly uncreative, otherwise I'd do it to get more attention towards the cure.

>>8788719
Shitflinging. No comment.

>ITT triggered Blanchardians responding to facts with memes

>>8788728
We aren't triggered. There was some interesting discussion on comparative brain scans for HSTS and AGP and degree of feminization.

>>8788728
This is true. They even made memes against cureanon!

Way to go, blanchardfags.

>>8788717
New research has been published since.

>>8788733
Cmon how righteously awesome would a satire radfem Captain Blanchard comic be?

>>8788718
>a pro-gay anti-trans comic
>called "The Adventures of Captain Blanchard"
She doesn't realize that she and all other gays are failed HSTS's?

>>8788747
Blanchard supports evolutionary biology and the idea of lady brains. He thinks the imbalance between the sexes in various fields is due to innate factors. Of course his TERF followers don't know him well enough to know that he thinks this.

>>8788760
>lady brains

Evolutionary biology is all bound by ex post facto fallacy. We can't prove causation in something hypothesized from the past.

>>8788724
Yes but keep in mind that you're wrong about the first part of your post.

>>8788777
Well, if I'm wrong about the first part of my post then the Blanchardian answer would be that transwomen have no feminine essence and are just mentally ill men :^)

If you want my own answer, including the fact that Blanchard's wrong about almost everything, then I'd say that this depends on how you define men and women. Biologically speaking transsexuals are between men and women before hormones, and still between but way closer to the sex they transition to post hormones. Under this view actual intersex individuals aren't really men or women either. Socially and culturally, for almost every practical every day interaction, an individual's karyotype doesn't really matter. You're treated based on how you are perceived. Since these things are socially constructed we can construct them as we wish, either including or excluding non-passing transsexuals. I think that including transsexuals makes sense and is the moral thing to do.

>>8788796
no they are very fem for gay guys but that doesn't make them women and thinking they are women due to their fem traits and freaking out over it makes them mentally ill.

>>8788800
Wrong. We've had this thread already many, many times. Transsexuality is a sort of neurointersexuality.

http://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/8762023/#8762023
http://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/8771201/#8771201
http://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/8479625/

>>8788814
bullshit.

>>8788796

> Blanchard's wrong about almost everything

Which you're unaccountably unable to explain.

> You're treated based on how you are perceived.

Give an example.

If you just want to be an effeminate man who plays dress up, go right ahead, dude. The vast majority of feminists and even conservatives do not care.

>>8788851
check out
>>8788814

>>8788276
>>8788538
>>8788648
Also, I'd say that the development of a """gender identity""" for A*Ps bears the clear signature of learning information, rather than the development of a disorder:

* It increases in speed when in contact with trans people, when thinking about it, etc.
* It increases in speed when learning about sexual dimorphism, having a girlfriend, etc.
* It does not seem to be reversible
* various other things that I can't think of right now

To the degree that you want to identify some disorder, I think the A*P itself is the appropriate target.

>>8788708
Transitioned trans women can definitely be women. However, there's lots of AGPs who have not currently or will not ever transition. They're not women.

>>8788814
Bullshit.
Correlation=causation is NOT EVIDENCE
Neither is low quality evidence.

[citation needed that isn't tradnarrarive bullshit]

>>8788824
This.

>>8788814
are there any brain tests of pre-hart AGPs specifically?

>>8788814
Did I ever make the point about how there might be a filter where more feminine AGPs might have an easier time fitting themselves into the narratives and as a result be more likely to transition? And if so, did anyone ever respond to it?

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>>8788702
>We need to fight for a cure and fight back!
I started skittles 6 months ago. I know I will never pass. I know there is no point for me to take skittles. BUT I CANT STOP and If I do stop, I will need to repress hardcore. e.g.) putting myself into jail. joinging MarsOne project for one way ticket or getting deloyed in the navy for years.
I know im not going back to skittles again after one more repression phase because I had enough and I would finally have enough misery points to successfuly kms.

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>>8784088
>They aren't though
Why are you so selfish to think that an HSTS would relate to some non-passing late onset AGP who with a wife and kids?

>>8789006
This. They would relate to gay men. Because they are.

>>8788972
Some of the tests included gynephiles and Blanchard thinks all gynephiles are necessarily AGP so if you believe him on that yes. If you don't then we still know that the majority of gynephiles experience some form of autogynephilia pre-transition so in all probability these tests included a fair number of them. I don't think they checked if the gynephiles were AGP though so in theory it is possible but incredibly unlikely that they only got non-AGP gynephiles in the studies.

>>8788977
You have. I said that this is a far more convoluted answer that would require late and early onset transsexuals to exhibit the same brain differences and the same sort of gender dysphoria while having an entirely different cause behind both. Parsimony is not absolute but it is a factor and here it clearly favors my explanation.

>>8788957
Having a cross-sex identity and being A*P are not the same thing, and it IS an identity since it is not just aspirational.

>>8789117
U goddamn tr*nnies might as well type in morse fucking code.

>>8789196
These are the words of Ray Blanchard, not trannies.

>>8789208
He types an asterisk into A*P?

>>8789236
Nah he doesn't even think AAP is real I'll grant you this

>>8789236
>>8789253
Sauce:
>Do you think autoandrophelia, where a woman is aroused by the thought of herself as a man, is a real paraphelia?

>No, I proposed it simply in order not to be accused of sexism, because there are all these women who want to say, “women can rape too, women can be pedophiles too, women can be exhibitionists too.” It’s a perverse expression of feminism, and so, I thought, let me jump the gun on this. I don’t think the phenomenon even exists.

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/ypp93m/heres-how-the-guy-who-wrote-the-manual-on-sex-talks-about-sex

>>8789259

Do you think that classifying transgender people as having a disorder does contribute to stigma against the trans community?

No. I mean how many people who make a joke about trannies consult the DSM first?

Do you think that transgender identity might get to the point where homosexuality is now, where it is considered offensive and inaccurate to call it a disorder?

I think there are some glaring differences between acceptance of transsexualism and acceptance of homosexuality. Let’s say that a friend comes to you and says she's a lesbian, you aren’t seeing your friend performing cunnilingus on her girlfriend. All this requires is acceptance of what you don’t have to see.

With transsexualism, if a friend comes to you and says I feel like I’m actually a woman, and starting tomorrow I’m going to be showing up wearing dresses, this is not happening offstage, you are now part of their movie.

I can't believe he would actually say "trannies" yet if he did, B A S E D B L A N C H A R D

>>8789290
Did he really say nigger in an interview? This sort of reads like a farce:

Do you think terminology is significant in perpetuating bigotry, or do you think a word is just a word used for the sake of precision?

I think that words used with the deliberate intent to be derogatory have an effect because the person who hears them doesn’t just hear a word, they hear a word plus a message from the speaker that I despise you. So if you call somebody a nigger, it’s different from calling someone African-American, because "nigger" means you’re African-American and I don’t like you.

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>>8789294
He's 70 Anon, and he did not say it maliciously.
Also, why the reddit spacing?

>>8789302
Easier to read?

>>8788334
Hon try being a pothead. Weed has helped me a lot with dysphoria and being a non transitioner.

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>>8789302
>he did not say it maliciously

using malicious words is malicious by definition.

>>8788334
Hon try being a pothead. Weed has helped me a lot with dysphoria.

>>8788957
I totally agree. I became more dysphoric as the trans movement grew and I learnt more about sexual dimorphism. I never realized how masc I was until I got older.
I'm 32 now, when I was 20 I knew nothing about trans stuff. I just had an urge to crossdress and be feminine, which I always tried to suppress.

>>8789294
How can one sexologist be so based?

>>8789647
lol. my requirement for dating/repressing:
if you drink, smoke, drugs, over exercise, or have any other unhealthy addiction, i don't wana date you.
if that's not you and you're an ugly/10 chaser bear, holla at me.

>>8789714
But anon i'm a pothead and a chaser bear!

>>8789790
un-motivated drug addicts need not apply