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FTM top surgery question

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So soon I am going to have the money ey to pay for top surgery. I've been researching online about it and seeing as I've only been on T for 2 months I've been getting alot of mixed messages on wether it's okay for me to have top surgery or not. I know boob tissue doesn't grow back but some people have been saying that I should wait and be on it a little longer. I would like to get rid of these stupid things as soon as possible but if I have to wait to get the best results I will. So should I wait to get top surgery? If so how long do I have to wait? If I don't wait what will be the consequences if any? When I do go for top surgery do I specify the procedure I want like do I say double mastectomy, Top Surgery, or just tell then I want my boobs chopped off? Any info will be mighty helpful.
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You probably do want to wait. If you have some musculature to your chest, it will help the surgeon determine where to reconstruct your pecs/put your nipples.

>When I do go for top surgery do I specify the procedure I want like do I say double mastectomy, Top Surgery, or just tell then I want my boobs chopped off?
The hell? You should be going to a surgeon who is specifically doing top surgery for FtMs. You don't just walk into any old surgeon's office and say, "Okay, get rid of these." Sounds like you're nowhere near ready for this
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>>8775840
https://archive.is/jehUx

Dr. Kathleen “Kelly” Levinstein, PhD, LCSW, LMSW is a Professor of Social Work at the University of Michigan, Flint. Among many other accomplishments, Dr. Levinstein was a Heilbein Scholar at the NYU School of Social Work, where she also taught, and has directed and provided clinical services for people with disabilities for many years, primarily in New York and New Jersey. A clinical and research social worker for 40 years, Dr. Levinstein describes herself as “the only out autistic PhD level social worker” in the world. Her research and advocacy work includes human and civil rights violations against the autistic community.

My daughter, who is on the autism spectrum, as am I, is now 19 years old. She had felt (and told others) that she was a lesbian most of her life. When she was 16, she began watching a TV show called “Degrassi,” which featured an FtoM character. After a few weeks, she announced that she was not actually a butch lesbian, as she had previously said, but was in fact trans. She started attending a local PFLAG meeting, where she met many trans people, including a number of FtoM trans teenagers who were raving about a certain “gender therapist.” Although the APA recommends a minimum of one year of “gender counseling” before surgery, this gender therapist (whom I consented to, before really understanding what I was doing) gave my daughter the go-ahead to have a bilateral mastectomy after only two sessions. This gender specialist never reviewed any of the Special Ed records or spoke to my daughter’s previous therapist, who had known her for a decade. And, crucially, she never asked my daughter, “Might you be a lesbian?”
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>>8776324
The gender therapist (whom I believe has an unholy financial alliance with the surgeon) gave my daughter (then 18 and one day) the go-ahead for the $30,000 surgery (covered for all university employees and their families where I work). My daughter is now on testosterone (which she clearly is unable to evaluate the risks and consequences of).

To give you some sense of my daughter’s level of understanding of what it means to transition, she told me recently that she believes that the testosterone “will grow her a penis.” I had to break the news to her that, although this is the mythology in the PFLAG meetings (where a number of the other young trans people are also autistic), this is not the case.

She has been taken advantage of. Healthy organs were amputated. This is insurance fraud, poor clinical practice, a violation of APA standards, unethical and unjust. It is a crime not just against women, but particularly against disabled women. So many of these young women who are “transitioning” are also autistic.

My daughter has a representative payee on her SSDI [disability] check, as it was felt that she was unable to handle her own money. This was of little concern to the gender therapist. I believe that once the therapist realized the “treatment” would be covered by the University of Michigan insurance, it was full speed ahead.
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>>8776326

Other than Degrassi, the PFLAG meetings–which are now the cult of trans–sealed her fate. There were no young lesbians there. In fact, there are very few young lesbians left–they are all transitioning. If she had been able to have a lesbian relationship prior to transitioning I believe that things would have transpired differently. I attempted to get her in a support group for young lesbians when she was 12, but was informed that because of liability insurance reasons, she was not welcome until age 18. By that time it was too late.

She had a legal name change in Dec of 2014, a bilateral mastectomy in April 2015, and started testosterone in Sept 2015. My daughter has severe Crohn’s Disease, and currently, she is having grave reactions to the testosterone. She has been hospitalized three times now for complications.

I DO believe that there is an overlap with the autistic and transgender populations. Some studies show a higher level of testosterone in autistic human beings. For males a high enough level of testosterone converts to estrogen. This may explain the large number of autistic people of both sexes claiming that they are transgender.
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>>8776327
Given that your daughter was recently hospitalized for health issues related to her use of testosterone, have you found any medical professionals who are willing to speak up about this?

I have found no health professionals willing to go on the record against this. Everyone is afraid of professional suicide and threats of violence. I am standing alone.

My daughter’s latest hospitalization has been described by doctors as due to “absorption issues.” She now has a full beard but still has her period. The testosterone is wreaking true havoc on her system.

Autistic women (again, I am one) frequently have a difficult time, sensory-wise with their periods. But rather than attempting to help us with this difficulty, our problems get labeled “gender dysphoria” and the answer has become to remove our periods from us.

We will find out in 20 years the effects of testosterone on our young women. I am confident that it will not be a pretty picture.
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>>8776326
Yeah yeah everyone's a shyster and everyone tranny is just mislead by the evil hon menace and they're too autistic to think for themselves (which is a bit of a contradiction in terms when you sit down to think about it).

Dads are autistic as fuck. You have no obligation to the product of your seed when it grows to be an adult. Mentally ill or no. Even the mom who gestated it in her fucking womb has no obligation. Call it insurance fraud, claim the evil judaic doctors and the jewified society did this to your daughter but in reality if you're not prepared to accept the risk of mental illness, don't make children.
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Okay well I'm definitely not autistic and I'm more then prepared for top surgery. Surgeons who are specifically for ftm surgery are hard to come by here bud. That being said I am bisexual so me changing genders isn't really going to effect my sexual preference any. All in all I'll probably wait until the end of this year to get it.
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>>8776326
>The gender therapist (whom I believe has an unholy financial alliance with the surgeon)
Nobody cares that the circumcision industry is run for financial interests.
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>8776324
Surgeons perform surgery to get money?! That's preposterous?!
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>>8776324
Look at you, hijacking this thread.

So, IF this story is true:

1) Being approved for T/surgery after two sessions with no history of living as a male is pretty rare/odd. It strikes me as especially odd when dealing with someone autistic. If this story isn't a fake, then either the doctor should indeed be investigated for malpractice OR the kid in question was very obviously trans and the mother is in some deep denial. But I can't say this remotely a reflection of how most trans people are handled by the medical system.

2) Continuing from above...I sure as fuck got asked if I might just be a lesbian. Why is it that most FtMs have had that experience, but most TERFs report the opposite for themselves/their kids? Does that not seem strange to anyone else?
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