Transgender Summer Camp Helps Kids As Young As Four Transition

>>8765280

> I dare you to tell me that NONE of these kids are going to change their mind.

Well, if they were going to change their minds before, they certainly won't now.

We should totally fuck up hundreds of little kids just so John Q Autogynephile can live vicariously on the off chance one of them ends up like him.

A conversion camp that works?

>>8765280
Ok so if they change their mind what's the problem. They're not putting four year olds on hormones so what they spent a few years wearing dresses?

>>8765338

> It's going to be perfectly easy and not at all embarrassing for a child to socially detransition and won't affect the chance they unnecessarily become a tranny

No

Kids seems happy whats the problem?

>>8765360
The problem is I never went to one of these camps when I was a kid and now I'm 22 and a hon.

>>8765340
The only reason it's embarrassing is because people like you constantly push the idea that is has to be embarrassing. Children are interesting, they don't hate most things until instructed to, they don't feel shame over many things until instructed to, they don't have obsessive hangups about meaningless cultural norms until instructed to.

>>8765360
I don't like it, so I have to yell at the kids until they associate it with negativity and then stop liking it.

>forcing kids to live in a way they don't like is normal
>giving them choices is abuse
Western morals.

>>8765340
I transitioned as a white high schooler in the ghetto and never got shit from anybody. I don't see how a kid going the other way would have it any worse, especially if they come from a wealthy background.

>>8765377
Dick you suck any black cock while in high school? It's important I know.

>>8765280
>hsts get THIS
>agp get fuck all

>>8765416
That's because neither exists and the only people who push these ideas are self-hating trannies trying to make themselves look good for religious extremists and domestic terrorists.

>>8765375

you're unhinged if you think they aren't being encouraged by their parents & the media

>>8765412
I'm gay, so no. Unless something happened when I was asleep on our many school trips, I always slept next to white nerds though. lol

>>8765434
Being supported you mean, instead of being forced into a role they dislike just because it makes you comfortable.

>>8765416
AGP isn't trans

>>8765439
>>8765434
Both exist, why does everything have to be an extreme
I hate people

>>8765446
[citation needed]

>>8765498
The idea that either exists is an extremist belief only pushed by far right anti-trans radicals.

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>>8765280
this gets a lot of hate
but if shit like this existed when i was four... a life saver, for sure
since i was the youngest i thought that boys who act like girls and vice versa are sick mutants or whatever
and i knew, i knew all the time that i'm a girl
but now having lived my life as a male, i just cannot transition, i still live in a shitty place, im sacred that i wont do well, im scared that i wont have any support, im scared that ill disappoint my family
right now we're seeing a big shift in acceptance for transgenderism over all, i so fucking much wish i were born now, in 2017, in sweden or some gay af california so i would have access to all of this, i would be so happy and not scarred for life

they also have a transgender computer camp where you learn to program in non binary

>>8765280
Your thinking is one-sided. Sure, it'd be bad if a cis person was pushed into transitioning. You know why? Because their body wouldn't match up with their actual gender. Which is what happens every time a trans person goes through puberty without transitioning. We need to come up with a system whereby as many people as possible can discover their sexuality and grow into adulthood within the correct body, and that can only happen if we legalise and normalise pre-pubescent transitioning.

>>8765280
>Most of them are MtTs

Really makes you think.

>>8765427
except that's wrong

>>8765774
what does mtt even mean

>>8765790
>my niche alt-right 4chan theory that is only given any consideration on 4chan is totally important and serious guys
Yeah and gamergate is about ethics and not just being mad about orgies.

>>8765792
Male to transgender

>>8765707
>programming in non binary
What's the point? You could program in any number base but we stick to binary to make the electrical components simpler.

>>8765798
that doesnt make sense
people who label themselves as 'trans' are not trans

>>8765799
It's a joke.

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>>8765806
>people who label themselves as 'trans' are not trans
>'trans' are not trans

>>8765809
Autists can't into humour

>>8765844
retarded frogposter

>>8765911
Why do people make these posts? You realize that's just encouraging them, right?

>>8765911
Your logic made me retarded. How can trans people who identify as trans not be trans?

>>8765987
the point in being trans is not to be seen as trans
saying you're trans is like going from baltimore to tennessee and saying you're "on the plane" when you're in tennessee

>>8765280

If those kids aren't of the age to start puberty, they're not taking any drugs whatsoever and they're there in the first place because of some interest they expressed in it. If they change their mind later, what harm was done?

Shut the fuck up and think. None of it is abuse.

>>8765799
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>>8766070
>saying you're trans is like going from baltimore to tennessee and saying you're "on the plane" when you're in tennessee

What?

Transgender people are transgender whether they advertise it or not.

>>8765280
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4396787/

Surveys based on the Child Behaviour Checklist [4] report that 2-5% of children aged up to seven, as reported by their parents, “behaves like opposite sex” and 1-2% “wishes to be of opposite sex”, but cultural issues likely play a major role in whether a child’s behavior is perceived as gender atypical. Consultations due to gender identity are generally more often sought for boys than girls, which may suggest greater gender variation in boys, but also that effeminate behaviours in boys are perceived as more of a problem than tom-boyishness in girls [5,6].

Of children with even severe gender dysphoria and cross-sex identification, about 85% do not develop a persistent transsexual identity in adolescence (reviewed in [7]).

>>8766894
https://4thwavenow.com/2016/05/06/social-work-prof-speaks-out-on-behalf-of-her-ftm-autistic-daughter/

My daughter, who is on the autism spectrum, as am I, is now 19 years old. She had felt (and told others) that she was a lesbian most of her life. When she was 16, she began watching a TV show called “Degrassi,” which featured an FtoM character. After a few weeks, she announced that she was not actually a butch lesbian, as she had previously said, but was in fact trans. She started attending a local PFLAG meeting, where she met many trans people, including a number of FtoM trans teenagers who were raving about a certain “gender therapist.” Although the APA recommends a minimum of one year of “gender counseling” before surgery, this gender therapist (whom I consented to, before really understanding what I was doing) gave my daughter the go-ahead to have a bilateral mastectomy after only two sessions. This gender specialist never reviewed any of the Special Ed records or spoke to my daughter’s previous therapist, who had known her for a decade. And, crucially, she never asked my daughter, “Might you be a lesbian?”

The gender therapist (whom I believe has an unholy financial alliance with the surgeon) gave my daughter (then 18 and one day) the go-ahead for the $30,000 surgery (covered for all university employees and their families where I work). My daughter is now on testosterone (which she clearly is unable to evaluate the risks and consequences of).

>>8766896
To give you some sense of my daughter’s level of understanding of what it means to transition, she told me recently that she believes that the testosterone “will grow her a penis.” I had to break the news to her that, although this is the mythology in the PFLAG meetings (where a number of the other young trans people are also autistic), this is not the case.

She has been taken advantage of. Healthy organs were amputated. This is insurance fraud, poor clinical practice, a violation of APA standards, unethical and unjust. It is a crime not just against women, but particularly against disabled women. So many of these young women who are “transitioning” are also autistic.

My daughter has a representative payee on her SSDI [disability] check, as it was felt that she was unable to handle her own money. This was of little concern to the gender therapist. I believe that once the therapist realized the “treatment” would be covered by the University of Michigan insurance, it was full speed ahead.

>>8766848
Then why do they feel the need to monopolize public perception even if it goes counter to people's instinctive thoughts, such as, this looks like a man, why is he allowed in the woman's restroom?

>>8765280
I wasn't disturbed until I saw the kid at the end with the fox tail hanging out of their pants. The whole camp needs to be burned to the ground now. Furries must be exterminated.

>>8767047

Awareness. The more people that are aware the transgeneder people exist the more they become a regular facet of life. Most of the advocacy is taken from the gay rights handbook, though it can't treated like homosexuality is as there are more layers to the issue than sexuality, despite sharing similar problems.

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>>8765360
these kids are going to be part of the 45% of trannys that attempt suicide

>>8770021
>which only happens because of people like you

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>>8770025
>only happens because of people like you
if that means im able to pump up those numbers then so be it

>>8765360
The problem is that we still don't have summer camps for all of the kids who identify as dinosaurs or attack helicopters

>>8770025
Happy to be doing my part then

>>8770025
>>8771074
>I enjoy child abuse
>abusing children is good

>>8765280
>transgender kids
HOL' UP HOL' UP!
Kids...transitioning???

this reeks of virtue-signalling leftist LGBT-exploiting parents

its going to be funny watching them grow up as their skulls masculinize and they realize they look like weird inbetweens and people can tell they aren't actually female.

You can already see the masculinity in their faces just watching to free itself (and it will)

>>8765774
Actually that is wrong, FtM early trans are just as common. Media don't report them as much because "little boy in a dress!!!" is more attention grabbing

>>8765697
>this gets a lot of hate
>but if shit like this existed when i was four... a life saver, for sure
>since i was the youngest i thought that boys who act like girls and vice versa are sick mutants or whatever
>and i knew, i knew all the time that i'm a girl
>but now having lived my life as a male, i just cannot transition, i still live in a shitty place, im sacred that i wont do well, im scared that i wont have any support, im scared that ill disappoint my family
>right now we're seeing a big shift in acceptance for transgenderism over all, i so fucking much wish i were born now, in 2017, in sweden or some gay af california so i would have access to all of this, i would be so happy and not scarred for life

Yeah, it sounds like being unhappy for the rest of your life is worth not taking the chance. Better off just remaining a boy because you have butterflies over wearing a skirt in public.

>>8776452
What are you saying?

>>8776507
I'm saying stop being a self loathing oussy and do something about it, or give up over some stupid reason and die unhappy.

Literally your choices are, transition and be happy and lose some of the people in your life or die unhappy and keep the shitty people who are just there for you at face value.

>>8771069
Honestly those camps sound a lot more fun.

>>8777462
What if transition won't make me happy?

>>8778261
How do you know it won't?

>>8765370
That isn't very interesting, more alarming.

>>8778270
Thinking over life as a hon.

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>>8765280
>>8770021

The parents should hope that's all they grow up to do.

>>8778311
Um, surgeries will pretty much guarantee you are able to pass.

>inb4 i don't haf moneys anon, I can't afford it.

First of all, there are several ways to get what you want. I recommend minimalism, extreme minimalism. Get rid of things with sentimental value after taking pictures of them. In your life, if it's not a tool required for your job/hobbies or isn't something you use on a daily or weekly basis it should be discarded or sold if it is profitable to do so.

Do not buy things that are unnecessary. Meaning, purchase only what you know has a use in your life. I would like to have a computer in every room in my house, but I don't need 1 in every room, and in fact I don't need those rooms either so I want to downgrade my house to save more money.

It's important that you are really hard on what you need, Right now I have two smart phones, a computer with two monitors, a ps4, clothes, school supplies, and some tools. Everything else in my life is going or gone already. I used to collect videogames, they are gone now, I don't need them to be happy. They do the opposite, they make me unhappy. I never played them, and they were just a shrine to my debilitating mental state.

Sentimental things I decided I get to keep 1 thing from the people that mean something to me and only if I wanted to. For example, my grand father left me a globe, and some astronomy books. I got rid of them both. I don't need these objects to remember him by.

Point is, cut out the fat in your life, and live for once. It will be hard and hurt to start off with, but remember, no pain no gain.

>>8778778
>surgeries will pretty much guarantee you are able to pass.
Bullshit.

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>>8778799
>trannies actually believe this

>>8778778
>you can afford things if you cut out the expenses in your life, for example i only have two phones, a gaming rig, a console and a multi room house, i cut down on having a computer in every room

is this copypasta?

>>8778805
I never said I had a computer in every room. I said I would like to, but I know it isn't going to make me happy.

Some parents now a days are brainwashing their kids into believing that they're trans. I feel like camps like this are only giving them another reason to do it. If it weren't for the fact that trans kids is such a political focus right now, then it really wouldn't be an issue. I am completely supportive of kids having this opportunity as long as they're not being put on puberty blockers or hormones.

>>8765280

OK? Childhood is for figuring things out. Let the kids figure their shit out. If little Tina wants to be Tim at the age of 7 but decides being Tina is better at the age of 10, then that is Tina figuring her shit out. Let them figure it out early so they aren't fucked up later.

>>8770021
>>8770034
>the feelings and lives of other people essentially matter to me more than the lost cause that is my own
>in my mind, this is not incredibly unrelentingly feminine and gay at all
I'm a cis-het man. When I kill an animal I look into it's eyes as it dies because I care for it.

When I kill someone like you, it's likely that they won't even know who, or how, or why. They'll probably not even be conscious, because I won't bother to wake them up. I won't really need to talk to them or convince them that I'm right or they're wrong. I'll kill them because that is the work that needs to be done, and I'll do it with as little sentiment and effort as is possible.

>>8779026
>because I care for it.
nah you don't liar

>>8779033
killing an animal I feel nothing but pain and regret that it has to be done sometimes

killing a person I just feel totally great, especially when they're just totally gone, not the moment of it but the reality of their erasure is just a huge relief to me

which is weird cause I really like some people

but I guess maybe it's because I like all animals on some level, and think people are often unnecessary

>>8765280
ICD-10 defines F64.00 (Transsexualism) as ONLY applicable to adults. Definition of 'adult' may vary, but the lower border is between 16 to 21 yo.

4 yo =/= 18 yo.
These children are DEFINITELY NOT trans, and should be raised according to their sex. (As defined by their chromosomes, XY or XX, or primary sexual characteristics in case of intersex.)

>>8778799
> surgeries will pretty much guarantee you are able to pass
> Bruce Jenner
She's 67, and transitioned at her 60s. She was a pro athlete, so she had the manliest body one can have. She had infinite money to transition, and a pro team to help her with clothing and makeup. She need not worry about gender discrimination, like ever. For a woman of her age, she looks nice.

That means there are no hopeless trannies, but in order to transition, you need to have infinite money ($ millions or above disposable), and access to professionals (stylist, makeup artist.)

Counter-example: The Wachowskis. As director geniuses, they have infinite money and access to a crew, however they transitioned too late (esp. Andy "Lilly" - he'd better have stayed as a man, as he's an obvious AGP) Lana is at least salvageable, but he's 10 yrs ahead in transition before his brother.

>>8765280

Someone needs to do a study on tranny kids and single-moms. Of all the trannies I've known, I'd say 95% or more come out of single-mother homes. I think that's where a lot of this comes from, mothers being the "strong" parental figure. One of my ex-gf's got divorced, she was way more dominant that her husband and now her son wants to be a girl at 6 years old.

>>8779211
He still looks like a guy

>>8779211
>uses she for caitlyn jenner
>uses he for wachowskis
???

>>8779211
>she'd better have stayed as a man, as she's an obvious AGP
AGPs should transition.

>>8779766
*people who are trans, who are also AGP
You can have AGP and not be trans.

>>8779771
>You can have AGP and not be trans.
And twelve months later, turns out she's trans too.

>>8779222
My parents are (still) married but I spent a lot of time with my Mom when I was younger. I also spent a lot of time hanging out in the beauty supply stores she worked at.

and i also had a lot of female friends, dunno if that's unusual at all