> To cure your AGP, you just need get a GF

>>8763976
*become your GF

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You can just be happy as a feminine gay guy, ehehehehe. There's no need to inject yourself with unnatural hormones like estrogen to live out a fantasy!

>>8763976
>tfw it just made me cry more

>>8764050
why not both? get a GF who treats you like a cute girl.

>>8763976
It doesn't work. Trust me. It just made me constantly jealous about not being as pretty as them and want to die all the time because I could never be myself around them.

>>8764395
you need to find your feminine self

>>8763976
To cure your AGP* you need to transition

*Actual AGP not magic ETLE AGP

I'm in my 20s, I've never had a GF, and I have AGP tendencies but am otherwise a straight male. I'm under the impression that I'm probably just lonely and those thoughts would become less prominent if ever I were to get a nice GF.

Am I wrong?

>>8764546
Are you cis or trans? How do you know?

>>8764546
You might be. 24, never had a gf either. I always felt weird around them. I got propositioned for sex once, and the thought made me very uncomfortable. I'm probably a masculine tranny. It's a hollow life.

>>8764553

Cis straight male. How do I know what?

>>8764554

Same age, and agreed about always feeling weird around them.

I've never been propositioned for sex, but some trashy girl with good intentions once offered to flash her tits to me out of pity for being inexperienced. I didn't even take a glance; I turned away in shame.

>>8764553
I don't anymore. Am I just ugly and depressed? I'm terrified of everything. People, getting older. Growing facial hair is like nails coming out of my face. I probably have dysphoria but I'm such a masculine fat mess no one will ever take me seriously. I took antidepressants once, what a crock of shit. I already feel empty. And if I have brokedick I might as well get hormones. Too bad I'm too anxious to work. I'll have to convince a psych next month. I don't think he'll believe me.

>>8763976
That doesn't work if your AGP is too strong.

>>8764546
Depends. There's probably a lot of men who are slightly AGP and shouldn't transition. However, the fact that you're on this board suggests that you have much stronger AGP.

You say you're "otherwise a straight male", but are you sure about that? How much does the fantasy of actually *fucking* a girl (with your penis, as a man) do for you? Do you self-insert as the male in heterosexual porn? Etc.

>>8764570
If you have dysphoria and you want to be a woman you're trans. It's that simple.
What's holding you back from accepting this and going ahead with transitioning?

>>8764557
Being around some ghetto people, I've seen some sex acts. Never did anything for me. I need to feel deeply connected with someone to do that. So deeply filled with trust I will never experience it. I don't trust anyone. My voice still hurts me internally when I 'listen' to it. Like nails on a chalkboard. That and getting this oversensitivity in my penis whether I've masturbated recently or not. To the point that I have to touch it and pull the skin back just to try to get it to stop. I don't think this is anywhere near normal. Even guys with micropenises don't get this far as I know.

>>8764582
Being broke
Being a faggot in many ways
Being ugly
Not being satisfied
Being even more terrified of doing things and having a higher maitenamce schedule. I dress like a lumberjack hobo.

>>8764606
>Being broke
HRT is not that expensive, right?

>Being a faggot in many ways
Such as?

>Being ugly
There are ugly women. You're not doing this just to be pretty, but to feel at peace with your body.

>Not being satisfied
Are you satisfied with how things are now? Would transitioning make things worse? At least you'll have a chance to make things better.

>Being even more terrified of doing things and having a higher maitenamce schedule
You already sound like you're in a bad place. Can you keep on like this? Isn't at least trying to treat your condition preferable?

>I dress like a lumberjack hobo
Well, you don't have to dress well to be a woman but if that bothers you you can get better at it.

>>8764575

I don't really feel any internal pressure to transition, but I do acknowledge that those AGP thoughts and tendencies exist.

Based on the type of porn I consume, I would say I'm overwhelmingly but not 100% straight. The only male figures that arouse me are those who resemble females in some sense - 'traps', for example; or 'feminine' young men. Conventionally 'masculine' traits do basically nothing for me, and even turn me off.

But I also really like penises. In a hypothetical scenario in which I had a male partner, I'd much rather be the bottom, and much rather be giving oral to a guy than receiving oral from him (of course he'd have to be very feminine for me to even consider it).

Depending on what I'm watching, depending on my mood, I might imagine myself to be either the male or female participant. I am aroused by the idea of having PiV sex with a girl.

It's complicated. I don't really know what to make of it.

>>8764619
I'm a neet. I will have to get dad's help. I don't want to be seen as 'other'. People ask your orientation as soon as you say you're trans. Such declaratives make me hurt. I want to feel sexy for once in my life. I see my face or body and shudder. I'm really depressed. Trying again to get hrt the right way. My therapist would'nt do it. Too much work, you see, and they have plenty of antidepressant scripts right there. I'd honestly rather be dead. I have gotten used to being apathetic because caring just brings pain. Even doing nice things with friends has a painful afterglow. Sure I'm a tranny. Nothing is more satisfying than imagining having a female body and sexuality. I think I'm just the product of unrecognized emotional abuse. Therapy certaintly didn't help. Last session my mom went with me. Yelled all the way home.

>>8764627
Could you just be bi? You think you have dysphoria?

>>8764647
I'm sorry. I wish I could tell you something helpful but I don't know what to say. Please, please don't give up. Please keep trying. No matter what others say you know what you are inside and they can't take that away. Please hold on. I believe in you. Do what you can to become who you are.

>>8764655

I wouldn't describe myself as bi because my sexual interests skew overwhelmingly towards females and feminine figures. But the fact that I'm also highly aroused by penises (but not the traditional male body itself) throws me for a loop.

But I feel as if "bi" implies a much more equal division of interests in both sexes than I exhibit.

I would not 100% rule out the possibility of having a male sexual partner, but he'd have to be pretty feminine. But then the fact that I'd probably prefer the one on the bottom/giving oral in a homosexual relationship is also curious.

I guess, to summarize, I'd generally assume the traditional role of the girl in a relationship with a (sufficiently pretty) male, and generally assume the role of a male in a relationship with a girl.

>>8764655

Oh, and no, I don't think I exhibit any significant signs of dysphoria.

>>8764627
>Based on the type of porn I consume, I would say I'm overwhelmingly but not 100% straight. The only male figures that arouse me are those who resemble females in some sense - 'traps', for example; or 'feminine' young men. Conventionally 'masculine' traits do basically nothing for me, and even turn me off.
When I asked about whether you were sure that you were straight, I mostly meant whether you are truly attracted to having sex with women (as a man), rather than whether you are also attracted to guys. :V

> It's complicated. I don't really know what to make of it.
Sounds like you're (allo)gynephilic, autogynephilic and gynandromorphophilic, which is a pretty standard grouping.

>>8764676
"Significant"? Do you exhibit some signs which aren't significant?

>>8764683

>When I asked about whether you were sure that you were straight, I mostly meant whether you are truly attracted to having sex with women (as a man), rather than whether you are also attracted to guys. :V

Oh. Yes, I am attracted to the idea of having vaginal sex with women.

>"Significant"? Do you exhibit some signs which aren't significant?

The only thing that comes to mind is that I try to keep myself clean shaven from the face down. Facial hair/excessive body hair is one of those traditional masculine traits that I find unappealing, so I tend to get rid of it.

But that seems far too insignificant to be meaningful.

>>8764546
AGP here, fucked tons of hookers, kept imagining I was the hooker I was fucking every time. If anything it made my AGP worse. I'm a tranny now.

>>8764728
> Oh. Yes, I am attracted to the idea of having vaginal sex with women.

How strong is this attraction, compared to your AGP?

>The only thing that comes to mind is that I try to keep myself clean shaven from the face down. Facial hair/excessive body hair is one of those traditional masculine traits that I find unappealing, so I tend to get rid of it.
>But that seems far too insignificant to be meaningful.

Body hair is just objectively terrible. Even cis men dislike having it.

>>8764786
>Body hair is just objectively terrible. Even cis men dislike having it.
ayy
I know plenty of cis men who don't
you're going full "all boys want to be girls right?" haha

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>>8764827
>ayy
>I know plenty of cis men who don't
Yeah, there's still a lot who like it, and even more who just feel ambivalent about it, but in my surveys it seems like cis men *on average* dislike it.

>you're going full "all boys want to be girls right?" haha
Nah, it's only ~10%, perhaps a bit more once you factor various other things into it. There's plenty of men who dislike their body hair but are otherwise happy about being men.

>>8763976

100% agree with >>8764395

>>8764375
BF*

>>8764575
not op

>How much does the fantasy of actually *fucking* a girl (with your penis, as a man) do for you?
nothing. idk if it did once but not now.

>Do you self-insert as the male in heterosexual porn?
i never insert as the male in anything, except traps or a male who becomes a female.

>>8764471
Tf does that even mean

>>8764930
If you're exclusively or near-exclusively AGP, you should probably transition (or do transition-y things, like start HRT in boymode). And this probably holds even if you aren't dysphoric, because dysphoria can (and, in the case of people who are exclusively AGP, probably *will*) develop over time. Better start early.

(I don't know what the best course of action for non-exclusive AGPs is.)

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>>8763976
>tfw getting a gf just made you want to transition

>>8764987
i am exclusively agp and i do have dysphoria. but there's no point in transition if i won't pass or hrt if i'm boymode forever.

>>8764786

>How strong is this attraction, compared to your AGP?

It's difficult to compare them. I would say that my desire to be in a romantic relationship with a woman outweighs the AGP. However, AGP behavior is easier to express because it doesn't require the involvement of a partner.

Both interests do seem to be correlated. I've recently observed that the AGP desires and the desire to have a girlfriend rise and fall together. The lower my mood, the less I care about either.

>>8764753

Are you a happier person having decided to transition?

>>8763976
Won't helped me mtf here I was looking something else and critising her secretly

>>8765043
You're going to regret this when you transition at 40, but okay.

>>8764546
>>8764554
be in a (good) relationship with at least ONE girl before transitioning

>>8766556
i can be a hon now or be a hon then and pretend to be normal for now. how can i choose now when those are the options?

>>8764073

Fundamental misunderstanding of AGP.

>>8764546

Nope, AGP won't go away. Certainly not for a woman, anyway. Just look at all the trans women that married women and had children.They all thought being with a woman would help them get over it too.

>>8766996

>waste your time looking for the one girl in 100 you can have a good relationship with and then transition into a hon when you realize the girl can't help you and you wasted your last shot

That's what you said.

>>8764557
How do you know you're a cis straight man

>>8763976
That'd just make me more depressed because she wouldn't be able to stimulate my vagina and suck on my boobs

>>8763976
I was agp but then got a girlfriend. My feelings disappeared for a few years but then returned. Started to role play with girlfriend and then jumped on mones. Girlfriend first encouraged me but now doesn't like it. Especially disappointed we may not be able to have kids.

>>8763976
Tried. it just didn't work.

How can you have sex with a girl when it is your deepest wish to be one and be dominated by a strong man, man.

This don't work and make agp worse

>>8769803
>AGP
>my vagina
I thought AGP went away with transition?!

>>8766556
>>8767092
it's not fair to tell me that and not tell me why.

>>8775081
Some of us hon material since 18 y old. Despitr being almost exlusive agps, we must repress!

>>8775107
i hate it so much.

>>8766996
This is unironically a waste of time even if you aren't agp. It's like saying "Win the lottery once before you try to start your career." It's much harder than you make it out to be and holds you up from figuring out the rest of your life.