SRS General. About time for a new one edition!

I almost forgot.

If you have any SRS questions feel free to ask and I'll try to answer them best I can.

>>8753809
For a cis vagina? Maybe like 50k. The whole pregnancy thing isn't that big a deal for me, nor is depth, since I'm more interested in girls anyways.

Also, on the topic of less than cis vaginas, anybody have any experience with Meltzer? I've heard good things, but I wanna ask this board because it's less hugboxxy

>>8753833
Download the SRS folder and have a look at his results.

Personally they turned me off him but maybe you wont mind.

>>8753833
every western surgeon is more or less the same
glorified penile inversion

>>8753809
>What do you know about SRS vaginas?
they're terrifying frankencunts
>Are you going to get one?
no, i'm going to kill myself
>Who's your favourite surgeon?
whichever one looks over my doctor assisted suicide
>Why did you miss out on Suporn?
because i'm poor and don't want to be mutilated
>How much would you pay for a cis vagina?
millions. i'd sooner be a homeless woman than living in my current situation

>>8753809
>Why did you miss out on Suporn?
Too young to get SRS at the time and my parents wouldn't ever pay for it.

Anyway, why is everyone so certain Suporn's lackeys are going to do a shit job?

>>8755693

They're new. They don't have the same kind of experience that suporn has, even if they know the techniques

>>8753809
>How much would you pay for a cis vagina?
Do I get to be passable and cis besides the vagina?

If no, $10.

If yes, what wouldn't I pay?

>>8755732
Yeah, that's true but according to suporn they have heart™.

He has endorsed them. They'll probably start having good results after the training bit is over (what did suporn say? 2 years or so?), or suporn will kick them out.

From the stuff on his website and other stories it seems like he's too perfectionistic to let shitty surgeons take over for him.

>>8755774
That's good to hear. None of the western surgeons I've seen get great results, so I'm hopeful for more people like Suporn.

Also, once the team has more experience, has it been stated if each one will open their own clinic or whatever? It'd certainly help with cutting the waiting time down

>>8755790
According to the website it sounds more like he's training several people to perform surgeries at the same time, but still as part of the Suporn clinic in the same place.

So expanding the business so to speak?

>>8755846
But even though I trust his replacements to be good, I'm planning on waiting for future improvements in surgeries, as all of them still kind of seem like hack jobs, and for the clinic to settle down in the 2020s.

Hopefully we all can see some results from the new surgeons before deciding.

>>8755862
>>8755846
Chett is half the price and does the same technique, right? He's kind of who I'm banking on if I can't book Suporn in time when late 2019 dates come available

Chett also does package BA/FFS/trachea shave at the same time with discounts, so I was thinking maybe trachea shave but I don't like the idea of going to him for BA (even though the photos on his site look good) or FFS

which surgeon would you all say provides the best feeling and functional vagina?

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>>8755693
Because the guy came out of nowhere and will have at most a year of training by the time he takes over.

He might be really good! ...In 4-7 years.

>>8755738
Nah just a vagina... maybe not even a particularly good looking one.

>>8756117
Have a look at Chetts results. He has a nasty tendency of giving everyone clit-dicks for maximum sensitivity. He also doesn't use the same mesh style grafts because his recovery times are slightly shorter and don't require any dynamic dilating (read whirling around a hard dildo to rip your shit up) which is a must for keeping scar tissue open and soft.

>>8756189
Feeling is a gamble with all surgeons. It's more based on what sensitivity you already have - the size of the clit they give you (arguably) - the chance of necrosis or accidentally severing a nerve. Technically speaking most of the butchers giving you a clit dick will likely give you more 'sensitivity'.

Suporn does have his thing that adds an extra little sensitive area that doesn't exist in cis women but it doesn't really play into things too much.

For functionality technically suporn and chett are the only ones that can really give you maximum depth nearly no matter what, especially suporn since he does this mesh thing with your balls to stretch them out. Nearly all surgeons give you functional depth though unless you have a micropeen.

It's kind of a cop out but feeling and functionality isn't really what differentiates most surgeons. Aesthetics and quality of care is the real difference.

>>8753982
That's only true in the broadest sense. They all use the peen skin more than the ball skin for the vagina but each one does have subtle differences, especially with outer aesthetics.

Had a look at them - honestly, the photos in that pack have worried me quite a lot, and I was kind of hoping they would be better and less of a pot shot.
I'm in the UK though so absolutely zero desire to go through the NHS and so Chett is looking like the best option for me.
One weird thing I've noticed is that on all the photos the actual vaginal opening is much more open and not even covered by labia, is that a thing with surgery and would it get corrected by revisions?

>>8756233
from what i see and hear, some kind of mix of suporn and meltzer sounds like the perfect combo of function and aesthetics?

im honestly at a lost as to who to go to. what differences are the in the western surgeons? and how long will suporn stay in buisness? getting a clit-dick is far from a goal of mine

>>8756265
Suporn is fully booked till around July 2019 with dates to be made available for the remainder of that year as and when they open them on their website. Past that, he's gone and it's his team instead

>>8756265
Have a loot at Meltzers results and Suporns and have a think for yourself.

I wouldn't recommend it.

>>8756280
what would you recommend, im downloading the folder now

My dysphoria isn't that bad, I can probably live with my feminine benis for awhile. Should I just try to wait for more improvements in SRS?

>>8756284
I recommend making up your own opinion based on aesthetics. The only exception is if you have a mirco-peen in which case i recommend you ask the surgeons themselves how much depth they can realistically give you.

Personally I like suporn because depth is a safe bet with him and I like the look of his results but he's booked up now so you'll have to finagle or wait for Dr. Banks to prove himself.

>>8756601
yea, but it seems kind of hit or miss, even with the same surgeon, at least from the pics in the op. are there any that are more consistent?
i can only assume suporn is retireing since theres all that talk about "missing" him?

>>8756664
Yes suporn is retiring in 2019 and is booked up. Dr. Banks is replacing him but is unproven.

Because so much goes into healing surgeons can only really stay consistent in broad strokes and even then it's up to the patient to take care of it and let it heal properly. Something to notice is that smokers, the elderly, and the obese consistently have much worse results than others and there's nothing a surgeon can do about that.

I actually have waaaaay more suporn pics now but I haven't uploaded them yet so they're missing. They're surprisingly consistent but most don't fall into any of the three categories above.

>>8756710
what about the other surgeons?
i did notice at a lot of the results are of older people who arent in that great shape, where as the samples from ie. svetlana and lalalily look much better

>>8756767
Other surgeons are harder to find examples for. Some like Meltzer straight up hide results and others like Brassard actually make you sign forms about it. It's kind of disgusting.

Suporn is basically one of the most popular surgeons in the world so it's just a lot easier to find his examples.

>>8756832
yea... that really doesnt help when it comes to finding which one to work on you.
so far suporn looks like the better option, but if hes retiring then what...

>>8756767
I got the chop from Brassard ten years ago. I didnt have to sign any non disclosure. Anyway it still looks so good that my doctor says she cant tell its not a natal vulva.

>>8756841
Well I'm doing my best to get as many pics as possible.

All you can ever really do is do your own research and make up your own mind.

>>8756849
It's not clear yet but it's apparently a recent thing. I wouldn't be surprised if it's related to the arson or just another tranny myth but there's a few posts about it on leddit.

>>8756849
Brassards work looks pretty good too

>>8757032
thanks
yea you are completely right, its just where to start, outside of here ofc, that i dont really know. finding reviews and post op images seems really hard, or im just stupid

>>8757052
No, you're right it definitely is hard
My pet theory is that when you have the surgery done you kind of consider your transition 'finished' and have no interest uploading photos for everyone and would rather just keep it private

>>8757065
yea i see it the same way
its just a little unfortunate for the ones looking for info on it

>>8757052
It is really hard, that's why i've been doing it for a few years and still only have as many as in the drop box.

Lately I've hit a few goldmines but I'm trying to hold them close to my chest to keep collecting so I don't lose my sources. If you join the discord I can share more about it.

Some of the best places to find a lot of results without knowing the surgeon is porn. r/manmadepussy is actually pretty regularly updated so that's one source. The next best is to literally just respectfully ask every time you meet a post op.

The last one is kinda scummy but there's a lot of closed groups where people share their post op results in confidence... well the problem is they kinda let anyone in without checking... well anyways don't do the last one and don't share your friends vag's lest you never want to see them again.

>>8756849
We're you circumcised? Or is there anyone here who is? I want to know how bad it is for surgery

>>8757809
I am. Suporns questionnaire asked about it and didn't make any mention. I think it's pretty obvious though that we will have significantly shittier results. But there's not really anything we can do about it

>>8757852
I'm looking into surgical tattooing later on to help with the scars, maybe it can help with the colour due to the lack of mucosal tissue too

No one is interested in srs?

>>8757852
>>8757879
Is this why MTFs are more likely to be MRAs than feminists?

>>8753809
ok, hrt reduces the amount of material for the surgeon to work. How do I prevent that?

>>8758997
That's not true anywhere but this website.

it's gross u collect and save pictures.
i'm not going to a doctor that takes a picture. wtf.

>>8758997
bica

>>8759350
would you go to a doctor that didn't show a single picture of the end result?

All the results look like shit to be honest.
I NEED srs NOW, but Meltzer or Brassard paid out of pocket is pricy (and I'll be waiting a while) there are also no results for the California surgeons who arent Bowers (Sinclair, Garcia, the two new doctors who took over at Brownstein/Crane)

>>8756242
One thing about the photos though, is rarely does anyone take a quality picture a year or more post-op when it's really completely healed
Most pictures are right after surgery , or "in progress" photos (~6 months post op)

>>8759129
Masturbate/stretch out the material frequently

>>8759540
I didn't get an erection for past 2 months, any advice?

>>8759547
Force an erection?

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>>8759553
ok, it works, sorta. How many months between hrt start and srs should there be?

>>8759578
I wouldn't get SRS before you've been hormones for at least a year, but after that I don't think it matters all that much

>>8759594
saving-up-money-wise I think it will be more like 2 years, hope I don't lose too much skin by then.

>>8753809

Is the biggest one only 35 mm to retain some tightness or something? My dick is 1.5" in diameter and 5" in circumference and it beats that thing in either measurement easily. It's a pretty average penis, too.

I think I'm going to book a date with Dr Ives in Melbourne tomorrow. I've already met with him twice and he seems ok, it's around the corner from my house and he apparently was trained by Dr Bowers.

Welp this is it, I'll be ok right? Idk, I'm not sure if I should be going to Thailand but this sounds so much easier :\

>>8760165
>trained by Dr Bowers.
RIP

>but this sounds so much easier
Yeah always choose the easy option. Taking a place trip just isn't worth it for something like this. Trannies who do are rich suckers wasting their money.

>>8760172
will I died?

does anyone know any decent surgeons in new york, my insurance will only pay for in state surgeons.

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>>8759350
Pictures are from the patients. Surgeon pictures are garbage and ancient.

I collect publicly available pictures for the good of the community. If you want to go in blind have fun!

>>8759494
If you can help me find some or link some of the misc pictures to their surgeons it would really help.

>>8759504
That's certainly true. Unfortunately the best resource for long healed post ops with lots of angles is porn but it's really hard to link post ops to their surgeons. If anyone can help with it it really is the best examples.

>>8759547
Ask your doc for Viagra. It's a legitimate reason to get it and if you take Viagra often enough it'll stretch it out for you. The reason it shrinks is the loss of night boners which are important for healing and stretching.

>>8759578
Ideally one year. It's the minimum necessary usually and you want the least effected genitals as possible. Having said that you can get perfectly good SRS even decades after HRT with luck and work.

>>8760138
Your penis is soft those are really really hard. The point is the hardness more than the size.

>>8760165
>>8760185
You wont died but do some research on him and try and join some of those post op groups that are out there. You need to decide what surgeon is best for you. If you regret it you have nobody but yourself to blame.

>>8760261
No

I'd pay $40000 for a cus vagina. That's about twice the price of a normal one right?

Anyone else turned on by the thought of SRS?

>>8763548
>>>/gif/11150227

For you.

>>8763588
I'm a sadomasochist into heavy gore. I was lurking Rotten and liveleak before you knew what a router was. It's actually nothing for major invasive surgery standards, and /pol/ kiddies are quite squeamish which makes me think they came after the internet ceased to use gore to shock, somewhere around 2012.

>>8763588
I actually find neovaginas gross, it's just thinking about it being done to me that turns me on. Picturing a realistic outcome, no.

>>8763627
Uh it's not supposed to be shock gore.

What does SRS feel like. Like just normally and not sexually?
I hate how penises are always present and you can feel them there at all times, but I can't really imagine the lack of it

>>8764720
The big thing is that normally you don't notice anything at all. Not having dangly bits getting in the way, possibly getting smooshed or whatever is the thing.
Before SRS I felt like I was constantly being reminded of the junk between my legs, after SRS I can just go about my life without thinking about it.

>>8764994
Do you mind talking more about your experiences? What surgeon did you go to?

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>>8764994
>possibly getting smooshed or whatever. kek
>LARPing as a male to female

You're not fooling anyone to be quite honest

>>8767909
Well believe what you want but I had SRS more than 20 years ago, possibly before you were even born. It's hard to remember what it was like before that. It was only 3 years from HRT start to SRS for me and I wasn't tucked up 24/7. The boy parts were a big pain in the ass though and I was glad to be rid of them.

>>8767959
In 20 years, have you ever regretted it?

Are you HSTS or AGP?

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>>8753809
I'm realatveily new and exploring this, i have a micropenis, how would this affect my transition? like 4 inches hard 1 and a half soft

>>8768003
No, I have never regretted it and I am quite glad I did it. I'm an androphile but I'm not big on Blanchard. I wouldn't be a classic HSTS because I was never involved with any gay male stuff.

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>>8767959
20 years ago? That's positively ancient in trans years. Who was your surgeon? I gotta know!
>>8768012
This is a sever issue. Your penis is luckily not that small but this is still small enough to almost definitely require a skin graft from another site on your body. Often that can leave an extra scar and the skin is less useful for SRS.

Asian surgeons in particular specialize in small penises... for obvious reasons. Suporn and Chett use the testicle skin primarily and because of that if you have enough testicle skin you may be able to get more out of their techniques. Suporn in particular is the only one who uses a mesh grafting technique that I know about. This is handy because it can almost double the skin's stretchyness (see pic for example). Unfortunately Suporn is booked up likely until retirement but he is passing his technique down so don't worry too much.

Your best bet is to actually just email all the main surgeons and ask them what they think they can manage. They might ask for pictures and can probably give you an idea of what you're in for if you choose them.

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>>8768067
Yvon Menard was the surgeon, Brassard's predecessor.

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>>8768161
Interesting. I've seen some of his work. Did you ever get a revision or need one after his retirement?

I'd love to speak to you personally on the discord server if you're interested. It's not very often you meet someone who had SRS such a long time ago.

Otherwise I have a few questions about longterm care for SRS.

I mostly want to know how dilating is 20 years later. What's your scheduled? Do you even do it anymore? I'd also be interested to know if you feel you've been more at risk for UTI's at all or at risk to any medical issues because of the surgery, especially anything that might have cropped up long after the surgery. Also I'd like to know if you feel that your vagina is more or less the same as it was say 15 years ago or if aging has effected it at all.

>>8768067
Here's what that mesh looks like after a bit of healing.

>>8768067
That's what mesh grafting is? So would the inside of the vagina be all scar tissue? How would that affect vaginal laxity?

>>8768229
But the best the mesh will be when fully healed is soft skin. The inside of a cis vagina isn't skin.

>>8768229
good questions, id like to know as well

>>8768245
Being inside the body changes the properties of it a bit. Shame that Buccal cell vaginas never took off

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>>8768243
Yep that's exactly the point. The idea is that all the holes fill up with scar tissue and dynamic dilation is used to stretch and soften the scar tissue. Since it's inside of you how it looks doesn't really matter and scars don't feel that different from skin, if not softer. The trade off is a much much longer healing process which is why Suporns patients need so much longer to recover. It's also more painful I hear.

It's a real trade off but when skin is so precious and you're working with smaller donor sites it makes a lot of sense as to why it's done this way.

Skin in hole pockets do change slightly from the outside. On a long term scale they shed their follicles and slowly become a bit more similar to the skin of a vagina although not identical. This actually applies to all artificial skin pockets and is somewhat documented in medicine. Of course SRS is one of the few procedures that really calls for an internal skin pocket so there hasn't been that much research on it and you should take it with a grain of salt.

Here's an actual picture of the skin before it's placed inside the vaginal orifice. Hopefully it's not too gorish for this board. (please mods if it is just delete the picture and short ban me with a message, I wont post it again).

>>8768307
OH OK.
Suporns Mesh doesn't look anywhere near as horrifying as the arm one.
Would the thinner skin help with lubrication too, since skin is thicker than the vagina layer?

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>>8753809
New NSFW Post op pics download who dis?: https://www.dropbox.com/s/a4ypu8pdz1sbztv/SRS%20share.rar?dl=0

I added a lot of examples in the Suporn folder and uncommon surgeon folders. I also discovered the name of many more post op porn stars and have sorted them appropriately.

https://www.the-ress.net/files/SRS-With-Dr-Suporn-2015.pdf

Here's someone's experience with Suporn and the hotel

>>8768319
I have no idea about that. Some lubrication comes from the untouched Cowpers gland and from the parts of the Urethra. Apparently some comes from who knows where too. I assume thinner skin does help but even without the mesh technique skin inside of pockets do thin out a bit from my understanding and estrogen thins out skin too. Penis and testicle skin is actually pretty thin to start with and with surgeons who use the testicle skin scrapping off the top layer to remove the hair follicles is also part of preparations which thins the skin yet more.

Vaginal lubrication is one of those things that surgeons have a general idea how to improve but no real definitive idea of how to keep consistent or even how exactly it works. Sweat glands are removed with hair follicles I believe so it shouldn't be sweat in there in theory so it's pretty mysterious. Internal pockets tend to get mildly moist in general when it comes to surgery so I really don't have a straight forward answer to that.

All I can say is I've seen hons that go to butchers and do nothing that swear up and down they get so wet it's basically biblical and others who go to top surgeons and are young and do their best and still come out bone dry.

In the end though it's really not that much of a deal because something like 65% of cis women need lube to some degree for sex. There's a reason they sell lube at every pharmacy and sex shop after all! It's not just for anal!

>>8768229
I'm not up for a chat right now. It's getting kind of late.
I did not get a revision or a labiaplasty. I probably should have gotten a labiaplasty, because it was expected to get a truly finished look, though it wasn't considered required. It was explained to me that he didn't want to make too many incisions all at once to reduce the risk of necrosis, and as it was I had no necrosis. I didn't go back because it looked decent to me, I got busy, and I was afraid more surgery would mess something up.
I lost my dilation instructions ages ago. I do it once or twice a week for about 10-15 minutes each time. That seems to be enough to maintain things. If I only do it once a week it's a bit tight so I try to do it more often than that.
I haven't had any problems with infections or incontinence. No hairballs!!! It was a classic penile inversion so hair isn't an issue anyway. Everything seems to be really healthy.
Aging it's hard to say. It doesn't really seem significantly different but I don't know for sure. I don't have a gallery of photos through the years for comparison.
My skin in general isn't as nice as when I was in my 20s but it's not bad, maybe a bit thinner and less pliable than when I was younger.

>>8768380
I'm the granny tranny. It is somewhat moist inside my neovag but it mostly feels like skin. I definitely need lube and I'm under no illusions about that. It's hard to know exactly what is going on because I always use lube.
After my surgery a bunch of epidermal cells sloughed off when douching. It was kind of scary but I was told it was normal. After a week or two it stopped. Something definitely changed but I don't want to exaggerate how much.

>>8768434
>>8768398
Thanks a ton for your reply. I'm a little disappointed to hear you still have to dilate so much, especially when so many surgeons these days claim after several years you don't need to do it barely at all.

I thought up a few more questions if you're still around or you can answer them int he morning if the thread is still up. I was just wondering if dilating, sex, or general stretching of the interior has reduced at all with aging. I know that skin often get's less malleable as we age like you mentioned. I was also wondering if you've had any experience with cis vaginas and have anything to say about the comparison, especially ones around your age, although i understand you mentioned you're straight further up in the thread.

I know I want surgery, but I'm unhappy with %90 of result pics I see.

Besides, the only way I can afford it is through Connecticut insurance so I probably won't even be able to choose my doctor.

>>8768566
Did you look at the new folder? >>8768376

Who's your favourite? who's your least favourite?

>>8768472
I'm still checking in. I know nothing about cis vaginas other than what I see in pictures so I can't compare.
I do think the lesser amount of flexibility with age is why I dilate as much as I do. I used to dilate less, even less than once a week, but I have been doing it more lately. I kind of play it by ear and over the last several months I've been a bit more diligent about dilating. Dilating is easier and more comfortable if I keep things relatively loose. I could get away with less though.

>>8768611
The only person I've read having consistently good results is Suporn. However, the money for him isn't something I can realistically save up for.

>>8768629
not to mention he's gone after 2019

>>8768629
I wonder how rich he is and what he does with it. He could have retired years ago, especially with the cost of living outside the west.

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>>8768629
Why don't you look with your eyes then? It's better than hearsay.

>>8768616
Thanks for all your answers. I've learned a lot and I'll probably pass it on to other young trans people.

>>8768645
His wide works at his clinic. I imagine he's reinvested a lot of it into the business and a certain amount of the surgery cost is in renting the hospital room. Probably still very rich though. Maybe he likes making vaginas. People always did joke that only a chaser would get into SRS work.

>>8768645
He charges $25000 (Australian dollars, so convert it if you need to) per surgery in a country where earning $8000 a year is considered to be wealthy.
He's super rich, at least for Thailand standards. He also has a massive beach house that he lets patients visit.

>>8768659
A lot of rich people tend to be workaholics though so maybe that's why he stuck to it so long. Arguably he is retiring a little early, he's not that old.

Dude was dedicated enough to give his teacher the finger and make his own surgery from scratch, to the point that preecha doesn't recommend anyone go to suporn for revisions which is ironic because preecha is kind of an old fart at this point and not that amazing at what he does.

>>8768653
>People always did joke that only a chaser would get into SRS work.
Someone said that Swiss FFS surgeon is a chaser and then there's Dr Bowers.

>>8768659
>He also has a massive beach house that he lets patients visit.
That's nice. Any patients or just ones he likes?

>>8768708
Heh McGinn and Bowers are the truest AGP, to the point they convert others.

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>>8768688
How old is Suporn anyways?
>>8768708
All of them, it's all in >>8768376


Suporn basically has a Post op playboy mansion on Wednesdays

>>8768740
You know what I thought i had a source for his age but I can't actually find it online.

I'm pretty sure he's in his mid 50's or younger. Beyond his peak but not old in the surgeon world considering some doctors practice deep into their 60's.

He looks young in his site pic but that could be up to 17 years old.

What reasons you girls not going to suporn?

>>8768754
Suporn has a timeline on his page:
http://www.supornclinic.com/html/home/home.html
He started medical training in 1979, but it's possible that was combined undergrad/med school.

>>8768871
repression altogether

Does anyone do the mesh method besides suporn?
particularly in the US.
>>8761525
>If you can help me find some or link some of the misc pictures to their surgeons it would really help.
I can't find ANY pictures from the surgeons I mentioned. you can find some reviews on reddit and susansplace, but I've yet to find any photos.

There is also Dr Poh and Reyblat, and they just started this year

this might be a stupid question, but from all the srs surgery video and animations ive seen, do they literally just shove the vagina into the abdomen without attaching it to anything internally? if so, why?

>>8770032
what is there even to attach it to?

>>8770041
im thinking some decent options could be the mesentery or the peritoneum, but im no doctor, so idk. i think i also read somewhere that one surgeon tied it up to the anterior part of the spine

>>8770041
What do they attach it to when a cis woman has a hysterectomy

>>8770105
hmm, from what i can tell, they dont need to since its naturally held in place by the transverse cervical ligament. i suppose an artificial ligament could be used for srs, perhaps

>>8753809
>What do you know about SRS vaginas?
Enough
>Are you going to get one?
I hope not
>Who's your favourite surgeon?
None
>Why did you miss out on Suporn?
Who the what now?
>How much would you pay for a cis vagina?
Cis vagina? You mean, with the possibility of getting pregnant and all?
Anything.
I'd be ok with paying for the rest of my life for it.

I've already spent 30.000€ in my body (and didn't even get FFS), but SRS is not something I'm interested in.

>>8770168
30k and no ffs or srs, what the hell did you spend them on then? boob and ass implants?

>>8770168
Suporn is a well known Thai doctor, one of the few people who uses a non penile-inversion technique. He has fairly good results with making neo-vaginas, probably the best out there right now, but he's retiring.

>>8768871
He's booked you retard.

>>8768012
>Axian Dozing off again
mah nigga

Also the pics link in OP is broken

>>8771851
what do anon. Suporn seemed to be the only worthwhile surgeon. Should I just keep my gt?

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>>8769452
None that I've seen. You can basically tell if they don't based on their recovery times. Anything under a month is obviously not using that technique.

Chett might use the technique but it's questionable because he doesn't use the dynamic dilation technique which makes one wonder what that would do to the scar tissue.

>>8770032
Those videos are all very out dated. None of the major surgeons do it that way anymore and they all have their own specialty techniques. Those videos only show the original technique for SRS. The skin is connected to the various stuff inside of your body. Mostly muscles that were dug into to create the hole. It's not just loose. But it's not solidly connected to anything like a uterus or bones so that's why it slowly closes. Your body is constantly pushing on the hole to close it because there's lots of shit in there and it's not just a solid mass.

>>8770168
You obviously have no idea about SRS. Look and learn buddy.

>>8771888
He's training a successor. Dr. Banks. Obviously you have no idea about SRS though so don't get it until you get enough intelligence to actually do some basic research.

Suporns not the only or even necessarily the best surgeon, he's just the only one that does his technique.

>>8771893
tbhon please no bully

>>8771898
tbhhon plz research for yourself or detransition because you're too dumb to be allowed to be a girl.

>>8771905
tbhon you are a such a meanie!!!!

>>8771914
tbhhon you're the problem with the trans community.

>>8771919
tbhon no you hon

>>8771929
>>8771919
>>8771914
>>8771905
>>8771898
shut up

>>8771889
i suppose they are old, you wouldnt happen to know of any more recent ones?
i think i asked already but how many techniques have they made?

I think Hitler did nothing wrong... except for the holocaust... he should have done it...

I downloaded those SRS pics from dropbox. WTF are they doing at Markus Krankenhaus? They're doing some bizarre surgery at that hospital.

>>8773202
>https://www.dropbox.com/s/q28at6yat5cx8f2/SRS%20share.rar?dl=0
can someone reup? gone now

>>8773340
There was a url for a newer version at
>>8768329

>>8773733
You picked one of the poorer looking pics.
You do want the best looking and most functional outcome, but if you have bad genital dysphoria and can't live with your boy parts, you're going to go ahead and get it done anyway.

>>8773733
>you're all having FAKE FUN with your FAKE VAGINA

tell it to the judge

>>8774123
That's the one where the bottom rips. I think i copied the story in a txt.

Really sad. It's not amazing to start then suddenly like day 6 it says like 'labia tore' and it's disgusting and wrekt from then on.

I always heard how great meltzer is hut he has no example pics on his site and i have yet to find a non horrible resault on my own.

>>8774123
Also stop posting nsfw on this bd they'll delete the whome thread.

>>8774123
>considering ditching the SRS dream and just getting an orchi but don't want to lose the option for SRS at a later date.

You can still get srs after an orchi.

>>8774123
I know exactly what you mean. right now i'm trying not to do anything 'down there' in hopes that the future will bring better surgeries.

>>8774123
MY FUCKING EYES!

>>8774256
Need skin grafts though

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>>8777276
Depends how soon after you get SRS and how big your balls are to start and also if the doctor uses testicle skin and also if you got the right orchi technique (always ask your preferred srs doc first).

The problem is usually that without testicles there's nothing to keep the skin stretched out. Theoretically you could request an implant to stop this issue but then you'd have what looks like balls in your sack and I know that's a deal breaker for a lot of people. The next problem is scars. Scars aren't good for working with during surgery. Surgeons who don't use much testicle skin might not care but those that do will recommend specific types of orchidectomies to reduce scaring.

>>8777393
I think you have your answer.

>>8753809
>Are you going to get one?
I'm a third world tranny so I can't afford it. Anything past $10K is beyond my reach.

>>8777457
Chettawut apparently gives special rates to third wordlers

>>8777467
That seems pretty unfair considering plenty of first worlders can't afford SRS.

>>8777606
I didn't see any pictures from him in the SRS rar
https://www.dropbox.com/s/a4ypu8pdz1sbztv/SRS%20share.rar?dl=0
No help there.

>>8777506
>>8777467
Aren't those rates specifically for Thai's? I think Suporn charges Thai's less too.

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>>8753809
Hey dinks, I had SRS with McGinn a couple years ago, I can answer questions if you want.

Generally I'm happy with how it went. Got some reimbursement from insurance (BCBS). The best feeling was getting out of bed after 2 weeks and putting on jeans #nodick

Confidence and psychological comfort got a lot better not having to worry about it. It was the right move for me.

She did a revision (all revisions are free if they can be done in the office) to make it look better, but a stitch popped and made it look horrifying until I went back to get it fixed. I still need to get a better job so I can afford a type of filler for the area. Since I don't have much body fat, the labia are considered to be collapsed.

Depth isn't the worst, but while it looked horrifying I dilated less because I was scared I'd break something that couldn't be fixed, so it's not as deep as it could/ can be. I don't like penis or guys, and I haven't done the sex with anyone since the Before Times.

Sensitivity is pretty much perfect in the clitoral area. Gasms had already changed on E and now just make sense with the hardware. Inside the V there is nothing which is as expected. I have no appreciation of my prostate getting touched, but I can tell it's getting reached.

Lubrication isn't much, also as expected.

Odor can be none if cleaned right or P-stank if wearing clothes that don't breathe and keeping my legs together.

McGinn and her people are nice and easy to deal with. I didn't have any major problems or complaints. She's apparently nice as long as you follow instructions. If you research and find she's right for you, I can give my endorsement for what it's worth.

I still wish transition could do everything "perfectly" down to a cellular level, but I figure if any magical techniques appear in my lifetime, they're not going to be that magical and still require you to have a full set of male genitalia. So I never got caught up on the "what if" of that - for me it was why wait?

>Since I don't have much body fat, the labia are considered to be collapsed.

Is being endomorph helps with SRS (fat stored in hip-thigh area)? Assuming of course I'm in healthy weight and active person.

>>8782511
Can we have pics?

>>8782901
Don't post any nsfw pics here though since this is a blue board. We're lucky the earlier pics haven't caused the mods to delete this thread.

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Are there any options where I don't have to dilate for the rest of my life?

>>8785408
iirc, there's a type you can get where there's not really much depth at all, so it doesn't have to be dilated. It's good if you don't want any penetration.

>>8785422
Thanks, but yeah, I like being penetrated.

>>8785431
Then unfortunately, not with any current methods. There are some projects in the works for growing the whole thing, but no idea how many decades down the road that is.

>>8785450
i have heard of 4 successful implants of lab grown vaginas a few years ago. i really hope this technique will be available to trans people too

>>8785477
Hopefully. For me, the current methods are good enough that I'm not gonna wait for something better without having a clear timeline. I understand people who think differently.

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>>8768329
>the misc folder

>>8785477
Would you have to take anti-rejection drugs all your life? Is the male pelvis even suitable to a "real" vagina? Today's SRS methods have the neovagina at a slightly different angle and position than cis women

>>8785526
the only 2 methods i know of is the skin inversion and suporns. are there any other?

>>8785570
from what i read, its like with a regular transplant, so maybe?
they were grown on a "scaffolding" so i wouldnt be surprised if it could be angled a bit to allow for the baseline anatomy

>>8785587
Not really, no. But Suporn's stuff looks good enough for me.

How often do you have to dilate?

>>8785587
>the skin inversion and suporns
What are the differences?

>>8785660
never
t. non-op

>>8785680
>image size 10000x7000

>>8785687
4chan doesn't allow bigger.

>>8785703
*punches screen*

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>>8782901
just any pic of anything?

>>8782784
I think it's more likely to turn out normal, I don't know if it would necessarily "help". But you'd have to ask a real doctor what they think.

>>8785862
We want pics of your mcgina!

>>8785477
Lab grown vaginas would either need us to find a way to make female genitals with xy cells, or get crisper to the point where we can change ourselves to XX.

>>8785680
I wonder how many of those 'males seeking castration' are just trannies.

>>8786034
im pretty sure you can get, say a heart transplant, from the other gender with out any additional risks

>>8786060
But the issue is that we don't know if an XY womb would function properly. It might not reject but it might not work at all.

>>8786034
>find a way to make female genitals with xy cells
The exact same way you make them with XX cells, retard, douse them in female hormones.

>>8786083
oh, no by vagina, i mean the vagina itself, the part up to the cervix

>>8786085
You're missing the point. Your body has a nonzero chance (and often large chance) to reject anything that doesn't share your same DNA. Rejected tissue is deadly and the medication to prevent it is costly and destroys your immune system. The point of these lab grown uterus and female genitals is that they match your DNA. The DNA of males have XY instead of XX chromosomes at the end so even if you made the Uterus XX you now risk rejection.

On the other hand an XY uterus doesn't form correctly and according to what I posted below can cause high chances of cancer without removal of the ovotesties.

So in the end the ideal solution would be to crispr all your cells XX to match the XX uterus but we don't know what effect that would have at the moment or if it can even be done after birth.

>>8786060
People with Swyer syndrome have typical female external genitalia. The uterus and fallopian tubes are normally-formed, but the gonads (ovaries or testes) are not functional; affected individuals have undeveloped clumps of tissue called streak gonads. Because of the lack of development of the gonads, Swyer syndrome is also called 46,XY complete gonadal dysgenesis. The residual gonadal tissue often becomes cancerous, so it is usually removed surgically early in life.

People with Swyer syndrome are typically raised as girls and have a female gender identity. Because they do not have functional ovaries, affected individuals usually begin hormone replacement therapy during adolescence to induce menstruation and development of female secondary sex characteristics such as breast enlargement and uterine growth. Hormone replacement therapy also helps reduce the risk of reduced bone density (osteopenia and osteoporosis). Women with this disorder do not produce eggs (ova), but they may be able to become pregnant with a donated egg or embryo.

Here's what I found about XY genitals online. Could cause cancer and have no ovaries.

>>8786093
Oh for only the vaginal canal then yeah we can probably make semi functional lab grown xy female vaginal cells but it has the same current issue as the buccal cell surgery method which has been tested by suporn actually. There's just not a reliable enough method to make enough cells that make a thick enough wall to graft well yet. Especially outside of the experimental stage.

Would not be surprised to see it in 10 years as standard for srs but it's got too many kinks to work out for now.

>>8786140
oh, i had no idea suporn had already experimented with that.
the type im referring to is actual vaginas grown from stemcells, they have apparently functioned just perfectly, heres the article https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/lab-grown-vaginas-implanted-successfully-in-4-teenagers/
so my hope is that with lab grown vaginas we can get "real" ones as transplants or they will have a way for the cheek cell type to be more pliable

Has anyone here gotten the surgery and regretted it?

>>8786140
i didn't know that the buccal cell surgery had been tested by suporn.

why isn't it being experimented upon more regularly??

>>8757809
Brassard anon here. I was circumcised. I asked him about this and he did not care. He was only interested in length it seemed to determine if he had to do a transplant from my arm or something.

>>8760261
I'll be getting SRS probably next year. I have a surgical consult with Dr. Jess Ting in Manhattan at the Mount Sinai Center For Transgender Medicine & Surgery. He collaborates with Dr. Bowers a lot. I don't know if that is who trained him. I can't find any before/after photos of his work, but I'm told I'll be shown examples during my consult, so we'll see.

>>8789245
Would you share pics? I'm getting srs with him soon.

>>8788192
Because it doesn't really work. We can't make large and thick enough skin grafts from it reliably yet.

You'll see more about it when major skin grafts are created for burn victims.

>>8789582
>We

>>8789594
Surgeons can't make thick and reliable enough skingrafts from it yet.

>>8787812
Would like to know this too.

>>8791993
I was scared about it but i knew it was something i had to do. I felt that i would always be a shemale as long as i had a dick. I dont regret it for a second.

>>8753809
>What do you know about SRS vaginas?
I know they look like vaginas, and for all intents and purposes are vaginas assuming you don't care about getting pregnant, which I don't.

>Are you going to get one?
Yeah. My mom died, and I'm using the inheritance on SRS.

>Who's your favourite surgeon?
Don't give a shit, they're all the same to me.

>Why did you miss out on Suporn?
Couldn't afford it at the time.

>How much would you pay for a cis vagina?
I guess I'd spend my mom's whole inheritance rather than the small part I have to use for the surgery I'm actually getting. It would be nice knowing everything would work perfectly and not having to worry about dilating or anything. It would be worth the periods.

>>8795072
Maybe if you did any research you'd have an idea of what surgeons are good and what SRS vagina's look like.

You deserve what you get.

>>8753942
link is dead on my end.

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>>8795072
>be anon's mom
>find out I have an incurable illness
>find out my son has been watching Japanese cartoons and started cross-dressing
>ask him how he'll cope after my death
>tell him I don't want him to waste it on statues of cartoon characters and girl clothes
>eventually die
>tfw you find out he's spending your money to get his dick turned inside out

OK, so I inherited a ton of money. Enough to get whatever the hell I want done.

Basically, if money, travel and free time isnt an issue who/where should I go to get SRS? I want the best medicine can provide.....

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>>8795495
i'd delet anon, I got 3 day banned the other day for posting pictures of a benis.

>>8795506

Context is medical. If mods want to ban it's whatever...at the end of the day Im trying to make a serious life decision here.

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>>8795519

Yeahhh try being 6"2 with an 7 inch dick and see how that works out

>>8795431
Pay attention fuckhead
>>8768329

>>8795484
Do some research for once in your life or pay me.

>>8795548
I'm glad you're doing better, Kayla. I just wish you had the sense to leave this place and enjoy your life without having to argue with hateful anons.

>>8797709
>>8795548
I wish all name fags would leave this place.

>>8753809
>What do you know about SRS vaginas?
A bit
>Are you going to get one?
Yes
>Who's your favourite surgeon?
Suporn
>Why did you miss out on Suporn?
Didn't
>How much would you pay for a cis vagina?
Does it come with matching uterus and all that other stuff?
If not then 40k, if yes then 100k.

>>8795495
Why is your glans so pale and crackly?

>>8753809
>Having to force your axe-wound to stay open
>Having to dig hairballs out of it
>calling it a sex change
how is SRS even a thing?

>>8799308
Why are you choosing to be retarded

>>8799308
You can say the same shit for any surgery.
You do realize surgery is a brutal affair right.

I don't know if it's been mentioned before, but starting Jan. 1, 2018, free Suporn revisions might be done by any Suporn Team surgeon. It might already be too late to schedule a revision guaranteed to be done by Suporn himself.
www.supornclinic.com/HTML/Support/commitment.html

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Suporn booked solid, no Team dates either. Only one deposit pending.
www.supornclinic.com/clients/calendar.htm

>>8799308
Because genital mutilation is acceptable for enough shekels.

>>8804253
Who /February 2018/ Here?

Has a single person seen results from Dr. Kuzon from University of Michigan?

He's the only surgeon my insurance will cover but I can find literally zero testaments to his work aside from one person on Reddit who has a friend who didn't like the result and one person on Susans who has a friend who did like the result.

>>8763548
>>8763663

That's common for AGPs.

>>8804344
/January 2018/ here

>>8806375
But why?

I wish I had a vagina but idk how anyone can NOT be terrified of getting SRS after watching the surgery be performed

>>8806687
I've fapped to webms of the surgery being done.

>>8806687
I was about ready to run away when I was on the gurney outside the operating room. That was my last chance! But then I'd still want SRS, and I'd end up having to pay even more money, so I calmed myself.

>>8806714
That's some interesting AGP you have.

>>8804253
>tfw you see your initials.

>>8804564
That should be a sign.

>>8806714
Boy do I have something for you!

There's actually a three piece series made in Japan where they do a porno before and after the surgery and film the entire surgery process. Genitals are heavily blurred but it's funny seeing when they start blurring certain parts during the surgery.

>>8804253
>>8807325
It reminds you how small the trans community is.

>>8807341
Also how many dumb hons outside of 4chan were too slow.

>>8806840
Just a gore/guro fetish.

>>8807334
>blurred

>>8807357
Well it is Japanese.

I have one if you want it.

>>8806687
first step was to trust my doctor, the other step was to understand I wasn't the one doing it. it's gross and weird, but for the most part you don't have to deal with it.

you just get knocked out and then wake up sleepy and feeling like you got kicked in the nuts really hard. In the meantime, you doctor did a kickass job for like 4 hours.

>>8807835
You felt like you got kicked in the nuts? That would be unpleasant. I just felt general normal pain.

>>8807845
yeah it was like on the sides of the pubis, so not phantom balls but just the other effects of getting dinged.

When my friend came in to talk to me and asked how I felt, I sloppily asked her in front of a nurse, "You know when you get kicked in the balls really hard? It's like that." Not sure if the nurse thought my friend might also be trans and actually know what I meant, but the nurse said to me, "Well you won't have that problem anymore." It was kind of funny and true.

>>8807859
The worst pain I had was when my catheter got plugged up with something at about 3 am the night after my surgery. It took an uncomfortably long amount of time to fix it and I felt like I was going to explode. Thankfully that was the only scary thing and nothing was damaged.

>>8807873
I don't think I'll ever forget the feeling of having the catheter taken out. Holy shit. That was the worst of all pains, but at least it was over in seconds. I was sweating bullets even though it was November in Philly.

>>8807889
The funny thing is my catheter just came out on its own while I was peeing. This was while the stent (which was a gauze-filled condom) was still inside me, about 1 1/2 weeks after the surgery. They told me not to worry about it and I was fine.

>>8757032
It was before the arson - I think it's related to some Quebec medical info/privacy laws.

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>>8807912
haha weird.

reminds me that I basically peed on the nurse/ PA who was with me when I first emptied the catheter on my own. I assume this is a normal thing- as the pee drained and created that slight negative pressure I would get this small shocking pain. This totally caught me offguard, and I already wasn't used to standing up, so I jerked back and splashed pee on the toilet, floor, my hospital gown, and likely on that poor woman. I kept apologizing and she said something like "it comes with the job, I knew what I signed up for" but damn getting peed on is never alright.

>>8808059
lol poor woman. She's probably seen all kinds of crazy things.

Girls, we have a problem.
>>8808557
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2695466/
It seems that neovaginas have abnormal bacterial environments. It's more typical of a skin surface than a vagina. The lack of a healthy lactobacillus flora seems to be the main problem.
I've already had SRS and this scares me. I want to fix it. I need to do some research to see if there are any ways to introduce and maintain lactobacillus in a neovagina. This is very important.

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>>8809608
just put a spoonful of plain yogurt in there and let it marinate.
feels nice and cool on a hot day too.

>>8809617
Does that really work? If it does I'll put some in before I dilate and lubricate my dilator with it.

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>>8809633
yes, it works

saurkraut and kimchi are also very high in lactobacillus but they don't smell as nice.
if you add them to your diet, however, they will help you maintain a healthy flora.

https://www.globalhealingcenter.com/natural-health/probiotic-foods/

>>8809689
From what I'm reading it seems worth using. Kefir is also interesting. Strained yogurt might be somewhat better too.

>>8809868
I'm going to get some pH strips too. I want to maintain a nice, acidic environment. 3.8 to 4.5 is the target range.
4chan is actually helping me!

>>8809617
>feels nice and cool on a hot day too.
kek

>>8809889
Glad to be of service, dear.

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>>8807937
Good to know. I might look into it for you guys.

>>8808059
My ex-nurse grandma has told me all about stories like this. They really get unfazed after the 200th time. Plus they got way worse on them constantly.

>>8809608
This is actually not important and well known since the dawn of SRS. I've spoken toa few people who've tried to get Cis PH vaginas and it's kind of possible for a short time using lactobacillious products meant to go in your vagina but it doesn't change much and is really really hard to maintain.

>>8809617
Please don't try and make me vomit. I've already seen plenty or retarded tumblr posts about people claiming putting yogurt on your vagina will cure UTI's. They don't. They're not even the same kind of lactobacilious. That's how you get moldy yogurt coming out of your vagina.

>>8809689
>>8809633
Please no this is new age non scientific bullshit. It's almost as bad as the 'cranberry juice cures UTI's' myth that everyone believes.

There's no science to either, that's not the same bacteria, dairy doesn't belong in vaginas, and you can literally just buy the correct lactobactilious over the counter at any drug store because cis women use it all the damn time.

Please stop trusting random non-health professionals and blog sites on the internet and just ask your damn doctor!

>>8810017
I'm still going to try testing the pH of my vagina. I wasn't going to do anything before that because I want to get a baseline.
I appreciate that maintaining lactobacillus would be hard because the skin grafts don't take up glycogen the way cis vaginas do, and there's a lack of lactobacillus binding sites. That's important to maintaining the lactobacillus flora.
The paper I linked to says that the neovagina flora was somewhat similar to that in prepubertal girls. They don't normally have problems.

Has the SRS process changed much in recent years, and are there predicted changes in the near future?
Some of the pictures in the dropbox make me very worried, and some general facts about post-op people are kinda scary too. I don't expect magic, but with all the tech advancements of recent years, it surprises me that the general process seems the same as it's been for ages.
I know there's some stuff about taking skin from different places, but the result is still a slightly strange looking hole that can't do a lot of things that "real" vaginas are supposed to do.

Slightly unrelated, but I've heard some trans people feel better in the butt compared to before they transitioned. Is that a result of the hormones, or the surgery? Or is it even true at all?

And another thing. It's occurring to me now that I make a lot of precum as lubricant, but if I got SRS, unless something was done intentionally to change it, the lube would just be coming out of my urethra as usual, and that wouldn't be super helpful. Is that a thing that's changed? Also if it isn't clear already I don't know shit about vaginas because I don't have one and I like guys.

>>8810179
I'm trying to learn more about cis vaginas vs neovaginas. Probably the biggest thing missing in a neovagina is the muscular layer. That's a layer of smooth muscles, longitudinal outer, circular inner, oblique in between. That muscular layer will be completely lacking in a neovagina. You'll still have pelvic muscles that do things but it's not the same.
Elasticity is less in a neovagina. If you think about how a baby can fit through a cis-vagina there's a lot of flexibility there. In a neovagina the skin grafts are already stretched out to the limit from the start.
The skin grafts can dekeratinize so they become more similar to the vaginal lining. Unfortunately the skin grafts won't take up glycogen and don't have lactobacillus binding sites like a cis-vagina's epithelium, so you won't naturally get a lactobacillus dominated flora, and the pH tends to be higher.
You don't get vaginal expansion and you don't have a uterus and cervix to retract during sexual arousal.
I don't know if any surgeon tries rerouting the output of the bulbourethral gland. I still get precum coming out the urethra.
Bartholin's glands are near the vaginal opening in cisvaginas and don't seem to provide all the lubrication. Some comes from plasma seepage through vaginal walls. That is probably happening in my case to some extent because it is moist in there, but I don't notice any increase when I'm aroused like in a cisvagina, and I strongly doubt I'm as moist as a non-aroused vagina. Apparently there are also cervical and uterine secretions that make their way into the vagina which we don't have of course.
I don't think neovaginas are nearly as bad as they are often made out to be, but there are definitely significant limitations.

>>8810261
Huh. So most of those sound like minor inconveniences or limitations on more extreme usage, but not a big deal for more normal uses of the thing.

Are they all so visually different from the cis variants too? Those pictures look real janky. I know pussies aren't always pretty-looking, but they also aren't usually so... disfigured? Or is that only for a while post-op, and they look better later?

A less important question, but since I've heard about pH being different and also some other differences with internal stuff, is the flavor noticeably very different? It'd be real awkward if someone licked down there and told me it tastes like dick or something.

And a question that I know gets asked a lot but I keep seeing different answers. What's the sex like, can you orgasm, etc.
A lot of people say it's good and feels good, and they can cum, but I've also heard some people say they barely feel anything down there. I'm a little worried that some of the former group may be lying because they regret their decision so much and want to pretend everything's fine. Can't help but be a bit careful in a world where "there are no biological differences between men and women".

>>8810411
I wouldn't know about taste. I was always too afraid to ask bfs. DADT.
Obviously the appearance is going to be worse for a few months after surgery and surgeons vary in their skills. It's always possible to get revisions if you're not happy.
Sexual sensitivity varies. If you don't have nerve damage you'll be fine, and even if there are problems it can improve over time, especially if you keep working on it. I have excellent sensitivity and can orgasm, and sex is enjoyable. My sex drive is kind of low though. If I'm in a relationship I want sex a lot, but if I'm not in one I'm pretty apathetic about it.
Tightness is the biggest issue due to the lack of elasticity. Trying to expand the diameter with a larger dilator is the one thing that is outright painful. 1 1/4" is comfy for me, but 1 1/2" is at the limit. Penises are softer than dilators so you can't go strictly by penile girth, but well-endowed bfs would be a problem. You can increase the diameter with dilators if you're willing to put up with the pain.

>>8810495
I figured as much, I guess. The tightness thing might be an even bigger problem for me, being Japanese and having not so much penis to work with, I imagine my post-op capacity might be rather small without using some material from other places. Small peepee's a blessing when it comes to wearing girl clothes but it might not be so great later, maybe.

When you say your sex drive's low, was is like that before SRS while you were just on hormones? I'm not too worried about it because my sex drive's annoyingly high, and lowering it wouldn't bother me at all, but I'd like to know anyway.

Still not entirely sold on SRS though. Obviously if I could hit a switch and be a girl then that'd be cool, but I might rather stick to hormones and live as a girl without getting rid of the wiener. Not being able to have actual girl sex will suck for sure, and I bet my pool of potential bfs will be very limited, but the commitment and luck needed for SRS might just be too much. Can't help but be afraid of it all going terribly, and a life of dilating also doesn't sound all that fun either. I guess there's a place in the sexual market for shemales though, so I could just be one of those.

>>8810650
I'm probably not the best example for sex drive because even before HRT it was pretty low, but it got lower on HRT. SRS probably didn't make a huge different. At first it was a bit higher probably for psychological reasons because I felt less inhibited by my anatomy, but then I settled down to a level that was the same or slightly lower than before SRS. Actually having sex makes me want more, but after a few weeks without it I don't care much.

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There are a couple of Suporn openings (the green boxes). Hurry!

I'm too scared to go to Thailand for surgery and would much rather be somewhere where the doc is a native English speaker (or at least grew up in a bilingual environment, like Quebec). What are the best options for SRS in North America? I don't mind travelling to Canada. I'm really nervous over the whole thing and don't really know where to start.

>>8807415
Post link?

>>8813445
Brassard is pretty much the best as far as north america goes.

>>8813445
Thailand is cool!
people there are really friendly

>1 year until my date with suporn
I'm starting to have srs dreams and the pressure is getting real. It seems so far away but I know it's gonna fly by

>>8813184
The Suporn openings are filled already.

>>8753809
>my axe wound is a vagina
>In denial edition

>>8799308
>how is SRS even a thing?

((()))

>>8814912
>>8815791
Thank you for bumping the thread and putting it back on page 1.

Here's an interesting article about neovagina pathologies
>Lesions of the Neovagina-A Review
https://rucore.libraries.rutgers.edu/rutgers-lib/50612/PDF/1/
It makes sigmoid colon neovaginas seem like they have more potential issues than skin graft ones. They can still get all the usual bowel pathologies.

>>8816442

is this a thing you can do? Ask them to make it a certain way?

>>8816462
I imagine you can always ask but who knows if that's exactly what you'll get.

>>8816462
You can't really the first time but you can get a revisions and with a little labiaplasty you can have it look pretty much how you like if you have enough skin.

Check the folder for revisions to see what I mean.

>>8753809
in the process of chet. Not all that happy as the top is very swollen and flappy but I was literally expecting nothing and maybe it will look better in a few months. I'm just glad I don't have to sit in ball soup anymore. worth the pain and terror.

when is it safe to masturbate again? I feel no urge now but I dont want to damage myself down the line.

>>8817762
Uh ball soup? what?

Anyways i hear it can be about a month before you can masturbate. You should probably ask Chett.

I found an interesting article about long-term health care for mtfs and ftms:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4154336/

>>8819011
ball soup is the feeling you have when your ballsack expands do to heat and sits between your ass and the seat, sweat optional.

>>8820813
Huh, do your vag seems to have everything in place? Because those examples in srs.rar seems horrible - literally just a hole.

>>8821555
I can tell you i probably look close to one of the worser pictures but not the ones where the labia is naturally open im only a week after surgery

>>8822485
It's hard to tell anything after only one week. It's not uncommon to leave some extra tissue in case revisions are needed later, because you can never tell exactly how things will turn out.

>>8820760
The fifty neovaginal swabs in our study were all Gram stained. For six smears, one of which contained pus cells, only few bacteria were found. Fourty-four smears revealed a mixed microflora that was more complex than bacterial vaginosis microflora and contained mostly filamentous and fusiform shaped cells and Mobiluncus and Spirochaetes cell types (Fig. 2). Candida hyphens or spores were not present in any of the smears, the presence of Lactobacilli was confirmed in only one patient.

>>8820760
>>8825107
lactobacilli supplementation is available for trannies these days, this is outdated

>>8825121
How hard is it to maintain though? According to :
>>8810017
it's hard to maintain.

>>8809608
>Although this was not a study criterion and therefore not scored, a foul smell of the vagina was observed in most patients.
>foul smell in most patients

I wonder how this differs from the smell of cis-vaginas. Because a clean, healthy cis-vagina doesn't really smell of anything. Sounds pretty gross but still a small issue.

>>8763627
>liveleak
newfag. it used to be called ogrish.

>>8825267
>>8825121
I was just pointing out how interesting the study is about what is actually in post op vaginas. They're not unhealthy just lack lactobactili.

I have a suporn slot for 2019, would it be illegal to try to sell it? Like to drop off the list and tell someone im going to drop it.

>>8753809
> Why did you miss out on Suporn?

I needed to get rid of what's between my legs ASAP, and could not wait until 40. And I have shit credit b/c student loan.

> How much would you pay for a cis vagina?
For the vagina part? (Intricate inner structures, self-cleaning, no dilation, self-lubricating on demand, fully sensate)
$ 100-150k.

For the full deal?
(cis vag + fully functional uterus & ovaries)
1/3 of what I earn over my entire life (as an engineer)

>>8785422
Which surgeon does it? For how much? Does it have self-lubrication? Do you have any examples? Do they look any good?

(Transbian, depth is not a prime importance here. Appearance is...)

As an australian is my best option just to go for suporn or is it worth flying further away?

Is there any australian surgeons who are worth it?

not really into the multiple year waiting list for suporn.

>>8828732
>Which surgeon does it?
everyone can do it iirc, becuase its not as much work
>Does it have self-lubrication?
no? it's not a vagoo, it just looks like one on the outside

>>8753809
>Are you going to get one?
yes.
although now I've learned that apparently they can collect semen from my testicles as long as I have them, so maybe I'll wait.

>Who's your favourite surgeon?
Brassard
>Why did you miss out on Suporn?
I didn't want to see suporn, and now it's too late.
>How much would you pay for a cis vagina?
just a vagina, not the uterus and cervic and such? idk a million dollars

>>8831037
I know what you're talking about with the testicles but you still need to produce sperm which needs testosterone to happen.

>>8828733
https://www.haertsch.com.au/male-to-female-gender-reassignment.html

just found this for any aus anons, still reading around but apparently this surgeon provides 2 step

thoughts anyone?

>>8833306
>I know what you're talking about with the testicles but you still need to produce sperm which needs testosterone to happen.
oh
RIP
guess it back to waiting on in vitro gemetogenisis then

>>8833482
Personally worked with the guy in the past. Really considerate and humble man.

>>8835570
Yeah they tried to get me to get that surgery when i was a kid who selfmedded but the docs all agreed I'd have to go on test for several months to do it because testosterone is literally an important part in the production of sperm.

>>8791993
>>8787812
I know one person that's partially regretted it, but someone bought it for her without telling her who it was with, while she was really emotionally unstable. She regrets most of what happened during that year and the few years leading up to it to be fair, so this is just a part of it. Apparently he went to a sketchy $10K butcher as well, and she has to go somewhere for revisions because it still hasn't healed.

That's the only regret story I've ever heard.

>>8828719
Maybe I'm the only one, but I don't want to fuck around with a uterus. Childbirth is scary enough as it is, given all the possible complications even among cis women.

>>8833306
Does anyone follow CRISPR research on SRS? Is there anything where I could volunteer to be a human Guinea pig?

>>8837502
Damn that really sucks, that poor girl

>>8837547
haha no there's nothing crispr can do for you any time soon.

>Have Kaiser NorCal
>Option 1 - Salim
>Option 2 - Meltzer
Pls help

>>8837977
Meltzer. This is a no-brainer.

>>8837977
Meltzer. They're both garbage but Meltzer is at least known garbage.

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>>8786034
>>8786083
>>8786093
It would not be a problem. I don't think you understand how gender development works. A FEW genes control the hormones (testosterone or estrogen) then ALL the cells in the body respond to those hormones. If the problem is before you are even born you can be born with the "opposite" gender of you genetics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complete_androgen_insensitivity_syndrome

So yes, I'm sure that XY cells can make an artificial vagina just fine. I would watch the progress on regrown hearts, kidneys, and pancreases. Vaginas would probably be around 10 years after those.

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>>8840171
I'm not sure if you paid attention but I posted above that XY females with uterus's tend to have malformed cancerous ovogonads.

So maybe you can make an XY uterus and remove the ovogonads but the person would still be infertile and have to take hormones.

The benefit is a really nice vaginal canal that wont collapse. But you also have to consider how much more brutal implanting a uterus is as a surgery. It would require much more significant incisions and likely result in significant scaring.

On the plus side scaring might become a thing of the past soon because of using stem cells around skin grafts to reduce the scar tissue.

>>8841811
The kinds of problems that happen in intersex conditions wouldn't necessarily happen with engineered organs.

>>8837458
>>Yeah they tried to get me to get that surgery when i was a kid who selfmedded but the docs all agreed I'd have to go on test for several months to do it because testosterone is literally an important part in the production of sperm
ffffffffuuuuuuuuuuck that
i want biological kids really bad, but i wont be in the proper position to be a parent for a while, and I really want a vagina, and I can't fathom having to go on T
being off hormones for a month or two was fucking cancerous, and that was accidental

>>8837547
what is CRISPR?

I'm just over two years post op and when I dilate (once a week) there's always this one painful kind of "pop" feeling for a second when I get about an inch in but once it's happened once it doesn't happen again and there's no bleeding. Using a smaller dilator to start doesn't make a difference.

What's this.

>>8846473
does it happen when you have sex?

>>8845987
Genetically engineered bacteria that can rewrite DNA

>>8846473
Those are your pelvic floor muscles.

>>8846473
I agree with the poster who said it's the pelvic floor muscles. You might want to dilate twice a week to keep things looser.

>>8846716
>Genetically engineered bacteria that can rewrite DNA
how would that really help us though?
because you can't rewrite the DNA of all our existing cells, can it?
and even if it did, what would be the result?

>>8846777
>because you can't rewrite the DNA of all our existing cells, can it?
that's exactly what it does, anon.

as for the result, dunno what it would be for something like this. Maybe better vaginal tissue?