Androphilia by Jack Donovan

>>8735569
>Implying that you can't be masculine AND gay
stupid

>>8735574
I really enjoyed the book and agree with most of his points, it also describes very well my problems with the LGBT "community." So I'm not implying anything, I just want to see how many other anons agree with it and if people will rage against it.
Also, reading The Way of Men was fun, I kind of wish I had a powerlifting crew to lift with at the gym.

>>8735583
What were the points of the book.

I was pretty annoyed by the regular threads about it here in the early days of this board.

>>8735569
The only good thing that comes from this "not gay" frotfags is ancient Greece themed porn

>>8735569
>i.e. "I have a kink for frotting and I want to shove it down everyone's throats"

>>8735592
Some of my notes, taken directly from the book
> Having achieved relative tolerance for same-sex-oriented people in mainstream culture, and having brought an end to police harassment and widespread discrimination, the Gay Rights Movement has turned to nitpicking.
> There will always be a small group of males who find that something resembling the gay sensibility is most in tune with who they are. The gay identity seems to work for them very well; perhaps those individuals should retain the gay identity, and they should certainly feel free to express themselves as they see fit. However, the gay sensibility is distinct and specialized; it is not directly related to the experience of homosexual desire. Being part of the gay subculture should be a matter of individual preference, not something compulsory or expected of all those who experience same-sex attractions.
> Part of the problem with many feminists and gays is that they do everything but play into men’s need to be men. The goal of many feminists is to bring out a man’s ‘feminine side,’ to make men more like women. They want to neutralize masculinity and make it 'safer'.
> It is one of the great failures of the The Gay Party as a whole that it advocates males coming to terms with and taking pride in their homosexuality, but never advocates these men coming to terms with and taking pride in being men. The Gay Party can’t advocate this, because it is in direct conflict with the values of effeminates and lesbian feminists. If homosexual men who do find meaning and value in masculinity want to assert themselves as men and lead uncompromisingly masculine lives, they will have to distance themselves from the effeminate gay culture that openly rejects masculinity and believes that homosexuality and effeminacy are inseparable. If queens love the gay culture and the gay identity, let them have it!

>>8735620
this author seems like a delusional fool. America and western eu are just a tiny fraction of humanity. Everywhere else the struggle is real.

>>8735620
This guy seems to not realize the irony of what he's saying
>turned to nitpicking
Like, yeah. People nitpick things if they have nothing else to go on about. But all of the shit you've summarized seems like a "you-problem". As in, the author seems to personally have a problem with something because his sensibilities are touched.
Which is fine, but trying to assert that his cause affects a wider issue is just self-important drivel. There's no war on masculinity. There's only fringe groups advocating retardation and a democracy that tries to tolerate these idiots and not put them in gas camps.

This seems heavily inspired by the narrative that women are trying to turn all men into "pussified males". Which incidentally is also, complete drivel.

>>8735617
>implying those who have a kink for sodomy don't shove it down everyone's throat
KYS

>>8735750
They don't, the author is just an autist that tries to shove his unbased contrived opinions onto as if they were facts.

overall a very mediocre book
i dont even know why people get so heated about it, there's nothing to actually discuss the book is just vapid

>>8735766
>They don't
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA. KYS.

>>8735633
I don't think its aimed to anything beyond the progressive western world. He doesnt try at all to say that things are just fine in Russia or Poland or Africa.

>>8735789
Prove a majority of them do then, to prove my point I only need to point at the author.

>>8735790
however, lgbt is a global population.

>>8735795
The mere fact that most people think all gay people do this thing proves my point.

>>8735856
>being this retarded
as expected from a frotfag

>>8735856
It doesn't, the author is trying to convince people to his ideas, people assuming something is just that, an assumption.

>>8735569
triggers lefties and degenerates
I aprove

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>>8735845
> LGBT is a global population
> LGBT activism does not care about young muslims being stoned for being gay
> does not care about gay iranians who are forced to transtion
> barely cares about Russian and eastern Europe homophobia
> does not care about advancement of LGBT rights in Asia
> never addresses the huge rates of depression in LGBT populations beyond saying it's all due to homophobia, which is still huge even with people who don't face homophobia
> never addresses the insane rates of physical and emotional abuse in lesbian couples
> meanwhile, GLAAD thinks talking about cartoons where girls hold hands is activism

So you won't hold the LGBT activism's incompetence against it, but you sure are putting a lot of responsibility on this single dude who wrote a book, huh? How about using that same standard for the supposedly LGBT institutions that should represent us?

>>8735633
>America and western eu

So you mean all the places that matter?

>>8735958
>if I say it be like it is, then it do

>>8735845
Why does he have to comment on global LGBT issues if he has a point to make specifically about LGBT issues in the western world? Should barbecue cook book authors be ridiculed for the lack of vegan recipes, or are you capable of appreciating content about anything but the most broad issues possible?

tl;dr you can make a concise point about a specific issue instead of a nebulous point about as broad an issue as "LGBT issues all around the entire world"

>>8735569
only decent book before he went fucking CRAZY. I really want to hug Jack Donovan, the guy needs it.