Is it time, as white lgbt, to abandon the democrats?

>he thinks that social constructs are not real things

>>8725938
>LGBT
>Democrats
Democrats are a compromise at best, but they're still shit. I'm sure no one here truly believes their corporate rethoric, and at best vote for them just to get less crazy Republicans speculating on our rights. They're the lesser evil, but they're still evil.

Also if you associate Marxist accademia with Democrats you're an idiot who gets his worldview from fucking 4chan.

>>8725958
Anon I don't think you see the winds of change

>>8725938
Racism is just unscientific.Biologists don't believe there are human races. Biologists believe there are human Demes, and that the differences between Demes are rather subtle.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deme_(biology)
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Racialism

>>8725971
Yeah that's not what I'm talking about, race is very much a real thing to minorities to the point where they let it guide their entire lives

>>8725961
Democrats are completely oblivious to what is happening, and at best you'll see a remark here and there, but absolutely no concrete action.
Marxists absolutely despise the DNC, which is a self-admittedtly capitalist party. On the other side, DNC has absolutely no regard for Marxists' interests. If you think that what is happening in these antifa protests is related in any way to Democrats' narratives you are 100% clueless.

>>8725974
Race exists as a spook. One most people fall for. Despooking people is a valuable venture, though as of late it is true that the dems kind of rejected the melting pot ideal which is a shame.

All in all Republicans are religiously motivated so there is just no hope of "converting" them in our time. You can't debunk the bible, yeah? It doesn't help.

>>8725978
The democratic party is a coalition of leftist groups that want representation in government beyond city council positions, I wouldn't doubt that the far left is trying to Bernie-sanders the damn thing and take it over while the dems are too busy reinforcing identity politics and proving to white Americans that the dems really are an anti-white party that doesn't give a fuck about liberal economics

>>8725938
I have no reason to vote republican, I do not like their economic or social policy. I do not like their constituents. And I do not respect people who forego voting when they have the opportunity to. I am aware that the way elections work in America is fucked. That said I will continue to vote D.

>>8725985
What do you have against the Bernie left?

>>8725982
Not all republicans are though, roger stone is a republican puppet master who's pro-gay and I would imagine there are more republicans that could be convinced

>>8725974
Race is a real thing to them because they are oppressed on the basis of it. If I oppress you because you are trans, it only makes sense for you to aggregate with other trans and try to defend your rights collectively. To many people it's a compromise, and it is due to the fact that there are people out there actively speculating against their human rights.
You're basically saying that they should not use the only tool available to them to fight oppression only because you wouldn't do it.

>>8725985
>The democratic party is a coalition of leftist groups
wow anon... easy on the mainstream media

>I wouldn't doubt that the far left is trying to Bernie-sanders
Bernie Sander is a left-centrist and a socdem. Not a socialist, not a Marxist, he is basically the most moderate leftist you can think of. still some fresh air in US politics, but in Europe he is considered a moderate at best: in fact his goals are what is already present in Europe, free healthcare and education, and the guarantee of basic survival for his fellow man. This is not Marxism, it's just basic decency and the will to reject any speculation on other people's life for financial reasons.

>>8725991
I meant in the way he was trying to reform the party, I don't have an issue with Bernie (unlike minority dems voters)

>>8725938
Already switched my registration over to Republican last year.

>>8726005
I don't deny that there is definitely anti minority sentiment, the issue is that minorities tend to have this attitude of "Whitey had their chance and now its time for us to take over". Whatever happened to having the most qualified people in charge regardless of race? I was pro-obama and anti-trump but as a white American I don't really see what the democratic party has to offer anymore, it seems far more hostile than it used to be. Also I will dispute your claims that universal healthcare, college, ECT is just common decency, there is no such things as a solution, only choices. I don't think its morally out of line to say that you don't think the government should take over the healthcare market, I think its just an honest disagreement, and saying "well Europe already has it" is a bad argument, not everything has to be like europe and we can work out our own solutions.

>>8726024
>I was pro-obama and anti-trump but as a white American I don't really see what the democratic party has to offer anymore, it seems far more hostile than it used to be
This has always been the case for leftists and minorities.

>I don't think its morally out of line to say that you don't think the government should take over the healthcare market, I think its just an honest disagreement, and saying "well Europe already has it" is a bad argument, not everything has to be like europe and we can work out our own solutions.
It's not about Europe, it's about the system. This system is better, cheaper and it saves more human lives. Europe is only the proof that this system is not a mere utopia, and that it is in fact possible and easily achievable, as lomg as one is willing to dismantle the fraudolent monopolies that keeps healthcare in this sorry state. And honestly I don't care about who's way this way is, I only care about how many lives it saves and at what cost.

>>8726023
>Supporting a party of religious fanatics who want to legislate against you because muh jesus over a bunch of dimwits who want to legislate for you
This isn't an aesthetic choice. Where's your self-interest?

>>8726035
I have yet to see the proof that universal healthcare is the only way to go about healthcare, getting rid of the restrictions to healthcare that allow a select few companies to have control over the market would certainly help, the problem with the current system of subsidizing health-care is that it rewards high prices because the government will just start picking up the tab if it goes too high

>>8726047
Maybe he's trying to help reform the party so that it isn't so religious?

>>8726050
These are problems inherent to the US current system, there are no such problems in Germany.

Again, the system works and it has worked in enough similar nations for us to truly believe that this is not an utopic project. Your caution is not correlated to how urgent this problem is. It's healthcare, not DMV efficency. Hundreds of thousands of lives are at stake, and we already have a solution.

>>8726047
They aren't gonna do shit to gay marriage and they have introduced 0 federal anti-gay legislation. I'd rather have trannies get btfo than get more brown people.

>>8726061
In inclined to believe that just because it works doesn't mean it is ultimately what we should strive for, choices are limited with universal healthcare in the same way that choice in cars is limited when the state produces them which leads people to have to travel to other countries without it to get experimental and new treatments because the government doesn't want to 'waste' money on it.

>>8726047
>Where's your self-interest?
There's more to life than Pride parades.

>>8725938
No you moron

>>8726068
And were we end up? Nowhere, people die and no one manages to come with a better system. What about instituting a single payer system and THEN, when lives and money are saved, we start thinking about better alternatives?

>>8726109
Because people wouldn't ever consider changing from it to something else if it works just enough, too many people live by the motto "if it ain't broke, don't fix it", there is a real chance for the US to be a trend setter for market based health solutions, the problem is that too many conservative politicians want to rehash the same bills that have failed, which is unfortunate because according to a pew research poll the most important thing for republican voters is candidates with new ideas.

>>8726114
Do you realize that US healthcare is in these conditions due to the fact that it has been subjected by the biggest lobbying operations IN GENERAL? You're literally spouting propaganda to defend a system that does not work, that preys on the less fortunate and that is way more expensive than its alternatives. People offer you a solid and realistic alternative that fixes most of its problem but you won't take it due to ideology. The difference being that although I offer to you something concrete, you don't, and your utopistic pursuit (which is very common) results in absolutely no cange (how could you change anything? You're proposing no model that has been tried) and immense loss of human lives. Also although you are that moderate, your opponents aren't, and we are all seeing what is being done to 300000 US citizens for the sake of saving some money.

To summarize: if you don't support single payer reforms, you are either someone who is speculating on healthcare or a complete idiot. The facts are too evident and solid for me to think otherwise.

>>8726126
There are big issues with wait times, getting quality service, and hoping that the government decides that your particular condition is worth the money to treat you though, under single payer everyone may get coverage but the quality they get is lessened as a way to save money, one of the supposed benefits of a single payer system is that its cheaper but the issue is that care isn't as good for those who have it. Many of the problems with the health care system in America is due to lobbying by the industry to make the market less competitive and easier to suck money out of people due to less choice, not just because people have to pay for it directly instead of getting the government to pay for it indirectly. I'm not saying that we should just say fuck the poor, but if anything we should find a temporary solution to cover those 300k who can't pay for it themselves and work out something better in the meantime instead of structuring our entire system around the fact that some people can't currently pay.

>>8726067
>>8726100
The majority of republicans oppose gay marriage. Trannies are your crumple zone. After they're gone you're next.

If anything I'll be voting all blue for the first time next election.

You all really seem to live in a bubble where what happens on the internet somehow translates to real life politics.

I don't base any of my political decisions on rhetoric. Rhetoric is just a string of phrases to manipulate the masses. As it stands, the Donald has shown a rare level of complete ineptitude in terms of understanding how the world works and seems convinced he needs to focus constantly on appeasing his base. the fact that most Republicans in Congress have done nothing to combat this is troublesome.

But sure. If I was delusional enough to believe Democrats wanted to impose Sharia law and cause the "white" genocide I'd probably vote Republican again.

>>8726173
Still what a big, comfy crumple zone they are. Invalidating rights people currently have is much harder than not expanding rights to new groups.

>>8726154
>but if anything we should find a temporary solution to cover those 300k who can't pay for it themselves and work out something better in the meantime instead of structuring our entire system around the fact that some people can't currently pay.

I'll be honest: I don't think theough ideals lile you (and I swear that I'm not trying to be patronizing), rather I just look at the facts and reality, and then I draw my conclusions. This is my conckusion on this matter: this kind of moderate reformism does not work because it is counterbalanced by a radical agenda designed to dismantle public healthcare. Since everything tends to compromises, said compromise will result in only a controlled dismantling of public healthcare, rather than a radical one.
This, as far as I can tell, has been the omnipresent trend of the last 50 years, and this is where I place your opinion: in a debate in which, in these 50 years, it has shown ineffective when it comes to actually improving health care. I'm sure that in 50 years from now nothing will have changed either (no sign of improvement can be found at the moment).
This is mainly why I support a single payer system so vehemently: because it requires no speculation, and it has already been proved to be way more efficient than our current system. If we put the 3 alternatives on the table (single payer, reformism and deregulation), single payer system is objectively, once you look at the material conditions of our reality, the best system. And since reformism tends to be so ineffective, I'd rather have it take place in a nation with a single payer system: at least while you guys keep reaching no conclusion whatsoever, people won't die.

>>8726200
Republicans are still pushing against abortion rights after all of these years, with some success in the more primitive states. It might not happen immediately but if you look ten years into the future that's in the cards.

good to see theres still some folks with brains here who like a respectful conversation. whoever you are anons of this thread, keep posting more, most other anons are brainfucked degenerate trolls :*

>>8726213
Abortion wasn't made legal under Bush and it is even less of a priority for Trump.

>>8726213
>>8726466
idk im rather left leaning but whats the point of abortion rights, other than in rape/incest cases? live with your choices, if ur too stupid to use a condom its your fault.

>>8726482
Lowers the crime rate and minority pop.

>>8726466
Made illegal*

>>8726023
Honestly if we had more secular-like big city republicans like Trump maybe gay civil rights in the republican party will be taken more seriously.

I don't think all republicans are against gays, only the crazy Evangelical repubs are.

Dunno about transgenders, their movement is in downward spiral. From the looks of it hormone treatments and SRS might be banned in 10-20 years.

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>>8726500
>hormone treatments and SRS might be banned in 10-20 years

Stop anon you are making my boygash wet

>>8726482
But why? If you don't believe it's morally wrong in the cases of rape and shit, why force people to ruin their own life as well as raise a shitty human being?

>>8726576
because in case of rape/incest its a crime, it was not willingly commited by both sides and/or bears a very high risk of disability for the unborn child.
the other is adults not willing to take responsability for their actions. just because its a trend to party hard and fuck around nowadays, you cannot just say "meh ppl just are that stupid, let them be idiots idc"
besides, im not religious and i dont like this extreme religious right in america for example...but i guess if you stay away from anon. sex and try to found a family based on a stable relationship, not a drunk hookup, why should they be forced to pay for ppls stupidity?
im from germany, so yeah, i favour the idea that everyone must pay into public health, but that miney should be used to help ppl losing limbs, getting cancer or sth else.
it shouldnt be "if youre too much of a dipshit to lead an adult life, just let the rest bail you out"
>proud conservative faggot

>>8726637
continued. i like the more socialistic approach we have in europe, but it works just so long as ppl still give a shit about their choices.
if the motto is "do what you like, we help you anyways" its just an incentive to behave stupidly.
so i guess it shouldnt be an option in public healthcare. but if you say "if you pay for it privatly,no tax money involved" then its a question of whether you have the money for the luxury of an abortion. thats not really fair either....

>>8726637
>>8726691
>Why should we be forced to pay for your mistakes?
>I'd rather have non-aborted babies to live on welfare and leech off the system instead

Fuck off. Besides, we're discussing the legality of abortion, not whether or not it should be paid by the state. Unless you believe abortion should be legal but should be paid for by the patient, what is your point?

>>8726637
>its a crime, it was not willingly commited by both sides
Remind me why this makes it legal to murder somebody (since presumably that's your objection to abortion the rest of the time)?

I don't get how someone's right not to be killed depends on their conception?

Does statutory rape count?

>and/or bears a very high risk of disability for the unborn child
It doesn't though, but are you fine with aborting children whenever there's any slight risk, eg if the mother has a glass of wine or a slim chance of a hereditary illness?

Why does the child's quality of life matter when it comes to their genetics but not their parents capability to look after them?

tl;dr you look like an inconsistent hypocrite

>>8726500
HRT and SRS will never be banned unless something better comes along. Trans movement is not going well because 1) it's difficult to understand to begin with for cis people 2) poor advocates like Caitlyn Jenner 3) trenders giving us a bad name 4) Republicans using trans as a wedge issue 5) lesbians and gays throwing us under the bus

>>8726744
Honestly as a gay Republican we can't throw you under the bus any harder. I'd be more than happy to offer you as a sacrificial lamb to evangelical interests in exchange for peace about our own rights as gays.

>>8726750
Why would they stop there? They're winning and you're the enemy. The bible doesn't say shit about being trans. It quite clearly says you're an abomination that should be stoned to death though.

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>>8726814
Because it is much harder to wrest away rights already given and most people are becoming secularized anyways. Its not like segregation had any chance of being overturned and abortion rights have held pretty strongly.

>>8726823
Also not getting anymore rights would be a small price to pay for not being overrun by a non-White servant class that drains the economy and changes our values.

>>8726750
hypocrisy.txt

>>8726814
>"Mom! I feel like a girl in a boy's body. I was born in the wrong body, am a girl!"
>God doesn't make mistakes dear :-^)

>>8726823
That's across the political aisle. 70ish percent of all republicans oppose gay marriage. Pence is specifically working against abortion rights. Planned Parenthood is being defunded. You're delusional if you think they won't turn on you when they're able and can't repeal a law that is only a few years old.

>>8726840
Not in the bible.

>>8726847
I don't think they have the votes for it and there would be an odd situation of having thousands with rights that others do not have.

>>8726852
>I don't think they have the votes for it
They didn't have the votes to beat the dems either. As the conservatives grow stronger they can go more conservative.

>and there would be an odd situation of having thousands with rights that others do not have
You don't say? :^)

>>8726750
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

>>8726851
>God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

> So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

>And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good.

>>8726864
Yeah I don't give a shit. As long as trannies get what is coming to them I don't mind a little ribbing. Also BTFO of non-Whites is entirely worth a risk. I don't want to be a minority in my own country and that is a valid statement.

>>8726866
This says nothing about trannies. It just speaks of the first humans. Intersex people clearly exist, and are born naturally, so it is the wish of God for them to exist. Adam and Eve weren't intersex. People of various races exist yet Adam and Eve could not be of all races.

>>8726869
You're gay. You're already a minority in your own country, and you're voting for the people who will make sure you're a hated minority with no rights.

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>>8726864
Transgender/sexual people are literal atheistic Jewish science experiments

>>8725938
>Do fellow white lgbt people feel like its time to abandon the democrats
No, it is long, long, looong past that time. Congrats on figuring it out.

FUCK I've been banned from twitter for "hate speech"
I had 4600 followers, I'm pissed so I'm here, first time on 4Chan, virgin.
Wtf is this web site?
Why is everybody anonymous, you don't want to be remember? You don't want to recognise pp? What's the point of writing someting if I won't see the reply or recognise pp I like for their stule, humor...etc? It's shit.

>>8726883
>This says nothing about trannies

Exactly.

>>8726896
You're welcome to go back to twitter :^)

>>8726885
I will be much more hated by non-Whites that Shillary would have given amnesty to.

>>8726864
But I would speak out before they get to me. At the Jews point, specifically.

>>8726917
Nothing wrong with BTFO of socialists and trade unionists anyways.

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>>8725938
>Is it time, as white lgbt, to abandon the democrats?
Yes.

>>8726035
>This system is better, cheaper and it saves more human lives.
This is just bullshit. In the socialized system, there are lots of preventable deaths, little error-correction and enormous inefficiency. And I have to pay over 50% of my income in taxes. Our healthcare system is terrible. t.Swede
inb4 not a Swede Du har fel

>>8726035
>and it saves more human lives.
t. not a trans person from Europe

>>8726188
>You all really seem to live in a bubble
The irony of this statement. Remarkable.

>>8726980
What does it matter if it's the government or a private company fucking you over?
The only difference is you can somewhat influence your government with your vote.
A private insurance company hires people to find reasons to deny every single request regardless of merit.

>>8726917
>>8726920
missing the point entirely

>>8726864
But you socialists want to throw all white people and political opponents under that bus.

>>8726920
>>8726917
>>8726907
Now this is what identity politics looks like.

>>8725985
>The democratic party is a coalition of leftist groups
It isn't. Some democrats are leftists but most of them are centrists, and some are even right wing.

>>8726997
Because you get objectively better care and more for your money in the private sector. We have miserable cancer survival rates here in Sweden, and we have to wait for 3-4 months to see a specialist. These are just some of the problems. And I don't want the government to have this much power; they always find some way to abuse it.

>The only difference is you can somewhat influence your government with your vote.
In a country of millions? Are you fucking serious?

>>8727016
>but most of them are centrists, and some are even right wing.
lol You're all so far left that Stalin would approve.

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>>8726944
They really are going all out, aren't they?

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>tfw too smart to be a white Democrat

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>>8727041
thia
>>8727016
This is very dishonest. All the moderates fled the party years ago.

>>8727041
i think it's you who is too far-right actually.

>>8726896
>Wtf is this web site?
Lurk moar faggot.

>>8727072
>All the moderates fled the party years ago
Not really

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>>8727085
Socially center racially far right master race reporting in.

Drop The T

>>8725938
Any progressive should abandon the Dems and switch over to a left leaning party.
>inb4 third parties can no longer win the US due to political wizardry no one can explain
Start on the state level to see change. By focusing on the state level we can, as we've done before, knock one of the two main parties out and replace it with one that better represents the people. Not only can we do that, again, but we can fix other problems by focusing on the state level. If it wasn't for the people changing things in their state and helping neighboring states to do the same we might not have been able to accomplish things like abolishing slavery or ending the ban on gay marriage

>>8727085
>>8727100
t. supporters of Bernie "uses the word 'rich' as an insult every other word and white's can't be poor" Sanders

>>8727130
*every other sentence

>>8727101
>Fuck you, I got mine

>>8726997
>What does it matter if it's the government or a private company fucking you over?
Private companies can be influenced by taking your money elsewhere. Your vote has very little influence, especially at the national level.
Government has the power to deprive you of life, liberty, and property. Private companies can't do that unless they enlist the government to help.
Private companies take your money in exchange for products and services. If you get ripped off you can shop elsewhere. Government just takes your money regardless of whether you get anything for it.

>>8727130
>t. supporter of Bernie
I'm more George Orwell but ok

>>8727144
>Government just takes your money regardless of whether you get anything for it.
This. The people of Flint Michigan are still forced to pay for water despite the fact their government neglected the pipes to the point that instead of pumping water to their homes they're receiving poisonous sludge. If I buy a bottle of Fiji water and I get lead poisoning I can get an out of court settlement that will pay for my medical bills and then switch to Evian. If the government poisons my water, intentionally or not, I can't do shit about it and I still have to pay. The large corporations and the US government are partners but the government wears the pants in their relationship

>>8727165
I've never said that i was a democrat, i'm not even american, i just said the Democrats weren't leftists.

>>8727161
But what if there's a monopoly? Like electric, cable and internet service for example.

>>8727072
>that pic
The left is truly disgusting.

>>8727173
Just like the Rockefellers, they'll have to deal with a revolt by the people. The next time it won't be by begging the politicians to do something about it, it will be our arms versus theirs and they are heavily outnumbered

>>8727137
Well not just that but also that if we can occupy the evangelicals with trying to ban you from women's restrooms and such we can keep the rights we have.

>>8727173
Utility monopolies are usually government enforced. Things would have developed differently without enforced monopolies. In urban areas you'd have more competition because it would be profitable for more companies to build infrastructure. In less populated areas there might be more off-grid options available than is currently the case. Competition would arise if prices got too high. Population patterns would likely be different.
Given the system we have though you couldn't just do crash deregulation without major disruptions and dislocations. Artificial retail markets for utilities are kind of stupid because the electricity, natural gas, or whatever are just being added to a common pool and the monopoly still does the delivery. Wholesale competition makes a lot more sense with our current system, as well as allowing competitors to utilize rights of way to build new infrastructure without placing onerous requirements on them.

>>8727248
>Randroid believes even natural monopolies are because of the ebil gubmit

>>8727144
>1/1000000 customers matters
>1/1000000 voters doesn't

Do you even listen to yourself?

>>8727251
http://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/ayn-rands-onesided-love-affair-with-the-fbi

Look, I don't think the democrat party actually cares about LGBT people as more than a voting bloc, but at least that means they'll give us a helping hand.

Republicans however already have their voting bloc- the religious people. They're much more numerous, and the republicans know that siding with us would mean they lose the religious vote, meaning they lose pretty much every election.

So if I'm to choose between the person who will help me in return for me voting for them and the person who will fuck me over, I'm gonna choose the person who will help me.

Maybe if Republicans stopped bowing down to the religious so much, I'd vote for them- but as it is, fuck no

>>8727239
I've had SRS and had my gender markers changed. I'm not going to change where I do my business because of some bathroom law.

>>8727263
Assuming the law says you must use the gendered facility of your birth sex that wouldn't matter. The main importance is to prevent lawsuits from bitter trannies rather than to try to police bathrooms to a greater extent.

Can someone teach the ancaps about things like cost of entry, externalities, information asymetry, public goods, and all the other market failures which make their ideals impossible for me? I'm not feeling it atm.

Also
>roads

>>8727257
Except for initiatives and referendums you're not voting for a particular issue. Most of the time you're voting for candidates who have a package of positions that they usually lie about anyway. Your vote is diffuse and poorly focused. Your money is spent on specific products.

>>8727278
Can you explain those terms simply with a paragraph or less each?

>>8727262
The DNC itself regards them as all parties have regarded all voting blocks. But yeah, the Democratic voters actually believe very strongly on LGBT issues.

The DNC isn't pro-gay because gays are a sizeable voting block. They are pro-gay because the straight people who voted Democrat are pro-gay.

>I vote with my dollar!

Lol, you're so cute and simple.

>>8726902
It also says nothing about different races you dimwit.

>>8725938
Nice shitty /pol/ bait.
Anyway your premise is retarded because "white" isn't really a race.
When /pol/ doesn't have an obvious darker person to band together against they quickly turn on eachother; x aren't true whites, y are mix raced mudbloods, z was never white, I'm white but no one else is.
It's a category of exclusion to the point that even when someone meets their personal definition of white, if they do something unacceptable or just that reflects poorly on the white brand then they're not a true white, they're just another nigger.

>>8727251
Are these monopolies as natural as you think they are? Multiple cell phone companies can serve the same area. Multiple sets of fibre optic cables carrying internet and long distance phone service criscross the country and the world. Some places have power lines run by more than one company.
You're more likely to get monopolies in less populated areas, but there can be off-grid options. Government should be flexible in allowing competition to develop if it can, but can step in where there is no competition. A system shouldn't be imposed for political or ideological reasons.
I do think government should handle roads though. That's closer to a true natural monopoly. Sewer systems are probably another, though people shouldn't be forced onto them if a septic system will work.
I'm not a Randroid - I don't like Rand's philosophy - but I like capitalism and don't like big government much, though I recognize the need for government.

>>8727257
I'll add that I've been voting for a long time and for the most part I feel it's been a waste of time. I feel more empowered when I'm shopping.

>>8725974
>race is very much a real thing to minorities to the point where they let it guide their entire lives
>they obsess so much that it's their whole lives!
>not like us superior whites circlejerking on /pol/ all day about how superior whites are but the evil jew/brown person conspiracy keeps us down and whites are the most persecuted group and there's a white genocide going on and everything is about race politics

>>8727277
I'll use the facility of my current sex.

>>8727305
That's a good way of putting it

My main point is that I don't actually care what the party leaders are about- I just want a party that will be pro-LGBT

>>8726992
>it's everyone else that lives in an echo chamber hugbox bubble!
>but if you say something I don't like on /pol/ then you're a shill slide thread poll rigger paid by the jews to spread lies and I won't listen to any of your mainstream media deceptions, I only get my news from alternative sources that tell me what I want!
Yes, truely remarkable.

>>8727339
I don't really care but if any women ask you to leave the locker room for making them uncomfortable you should have to.

>>8726500
>sure these medical treatments have been around for decades and are only improving and getting exponentially more support from the medical and scientific communities
>but they upset my sensitive feels so they'll definitely be banned any day now, right around the habbening and day of rope we've been predicting constantly just around the corner like a doomsday cult

>>8727354
I haven't had that problem but I'm not looking to make a scene.

>>8726706
>Unless you believe abortion should be legal but should be paid for by the patient, what is your point?
Obviously just setting up as many goalposts as possible with a zip-line between them.

That's how anti-abortion activists work. They just don't like abortion and work backward from that to try absolutely anything that might stick to help their agenda.

>>8727359
Well some people are and those people can file lawsuits so that's why bathroom laws exist.

>>8726173
>Trannies are your crumple zone. After they're gone you're next.
So? I'll just change my vote then, if the Republicans haven't reformed to embrace the pro-gay consensus at that point. Are you retarded?

>>8727379
This as well.

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>>8727311
Tower of Babel

>Now the whole world had one language and a common speech... As people moved eastward,[a] they found a plain in Shinar[b] and settled there.

They said to each other, “Come,... Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves; otherwise we will be scattered over the face of the whole earth.”

>But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower the people were building. The Lord said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them... let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.”

>So the Lord scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city.

>That is why it was called Babel[c]—because there the Lord confused the language of the whole world. From there the Lord scattered them over the face of the whole earth.

>>8726213
>Republicans are still pushing against abortion rights after all of these years
You fuckwit, that's because abortion still has a majority opposition among many groups, like WHITE WOMEN for instance. It doesn't matter how much you try to trat it as a settled issue, it's not. It would never have passed Congress, it was forced through via judicial activism and the left is deathly afraid that that error will be rectified every time the right puts a justice on the SC bench.

>>8727319
Yes. Natural monopolies are situations where the cost of entry is so astronomically high for competition that there is no reasonable way they would compete.

It's much more logical for a cable industry, for example, to set up the infrastructure in areas not already serviced by a competitor. You can't just have 30 cables crisscrossing everything, and the cost is so high it would be difficult to return profits.

>Some places have power lines run by more than one company.
Which is fine, but if you were in a world where competition is free for this industry, and I just spent 5 billion dollars on building cables that I own outright, why precisely would I let my competitors use them?

>>8727389
Look at humanity united speaking one language and living in a multicultural society. Clearly God was just a bigot nationalist.

>>8727374
No, the point of the laws is to create a political wedge issue. Very few bills have actually ever passed. Most of what has come out of them is publicity.

>>8726852
You do realize that a lot of the modern anti-gay anti-abortion activism is focused on the judicial side of things, right? They know that the public support isn't there to enact their agenda directly and for all their whining about activist judges I guess they thought it was a good idea.

Across the country, there are numerous well-funded organisations that exist for the sole purpose of launching legal challenges against things like abortion, gay marriage, and gay adoption with the goal and hope that the case will work its way up to the supreme court which they will convince to reverse their previous rulings.

That's like the whole fucking reason for republicans refusing to even consider obama's nominations and why trump's conservative pick was so important. They're trying to stack the court with conservatives and the balance is only one or two people.
There's even a trump quote to the effect of "even if you don't agree with me you'll vote for me because of one thing, supreme justice appointments."

>>8727389
Like that ever actually happened.

>>8727408
Entirely worth it for the immigration and national defense rulings.

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>>8726869
>le sticking it to stupid trannies that trigger muh feels is totally worth empowering the people that campaign on removing my rights
>I'm sure after we bash all the trannies together all the anti-gay people will just be too tired and finally accept me as one of "the good ones" and give me a qt /pol/ bf and totally not just be emboldened to push even harder on their agendas

>>8727431
Much harder to push against gay people than to fuck over trannies. I am very content with the current patterns. I can also change my parties if things were to get bad. Segregation and abortion rulings were never overturned, this will be no different.

>>8726864
>they came for the jews
I wish they actually did.

>>8727101
>litterally agreeing with the argument they use to say gays are all illegitimate drug and sex-crazed freaks
Either you're literally retarded or a /pol/ false flagger trying to use le tranny wedge issue to get lgb people to advocate against themselves.

>>8727101
>black trannies
There is possibly no other demographic this useless/harmful to society.

>>8727450
l just hate trannies and niggers and love White people.

>>8727458
Amen my seasoning-less brother.

>>8727239
>If we empower evangelicals to remove people's right then they'll totally just be too tired and sweaty from kicking trannies to target gays like they constantly campaign on and call for! Sure reversing gay marriage is one of the foundations of their politics and they constantly launch lawsuits to try to make it happen but it's just le ebin joke that they'll forget when they're in a position to do anything

wow, now you're just making me sad at the thought that someone could actually be this self-destructively retarded.

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>>8727417
>Not believing in the literal word of God

Diddly diddly woo

>>8727464
No they will only be able to target trannies and that will occupy them.

>>8727401
My main contention is that there would be competition in more densely populated areas and probably not in more rural areas. Government should be flexible and can step in as needed. I have no problem with different companies running infrastructure. It can be buried if you don't like the aesthetics of wires on poles.
Of course a cable company would like to have a monopoly on infrastructure but just because they like it doesn't mean they're entitled to it. As I said multiple sets of cables are fine. It's not likely you'd have 30 companies anyway. Government can regulate and manage the right of way.
Rights to use cables can be bought and sold. Look at cell phone resellers that are able to purchase the right to use the cell phone infrastructure of larger companies.
Let the market develop, and only intervene where needed. Unfortunately government has had such a heavy hand in things that you can't just change systems overnight if ever.
I'll get into health care a bit. I think there should be more of a free market in health care. I like privatemdlabs.com for blood tests. I'd like to be able to shop around more but pricing practices in health care are terrible and should be illegal. There should be liberalization of what medications can be bought OTC.
That said, the reality is there is no political will for market liberalization. It isn't happening. The current system in the US is really bad since we don't have a true free market at all, yet the effect of government involvement is to drive prices sky high. Politics being what they are for pragmatic reasons I'm starting to support single payer as being a lesser evil, on the condition that private health care still be allowed to exist outside the single payer system for those who can afford it. That would be a necessary safety valve and competition in case the government system gets botched too badly. At the end of the day I'm pragmatic, not an ideologue.

>>8727408
I'm gay AND married, but gay adopters need to get BTFO because virtually 100% of them are pedophiles. Giving children to these people might be the most retarded idea ever conceived. And don't even get me started on trannies, literal mental patients on permanent suicide watch being paraded around as sane and normal.

>>8727458
>There is possibly no other demographic this useless/harmful to society.
TERFs

>>8727408
>abortion
Infanticide is evil, though.
>That's like the whole fucking reason for republicans refusing to even consider obama's nominations and why trump's conservative pick was so important.
No, that was so important to Conservatives because they down't want the leftists to undermine the first and second amendments. For example, if the Dems managed to get control over the court, we'd soon get "hate-speech" restrictions on free speech and confiscation of firearms. The left has gone batshit insane in the last ten years, and they must never get their way.
>whining about activist judges
A leftist is smug about lawlessness and corruption if it favors his agenda. I'm shocked.

>>8727262
>who cares if Achmed wants to throw me off a roof
>what really matters is bathroom laws

>>8727374
>tfw more cis women than trannies have been harassed, kicked out of bathrooms, and even spied on in the stall in the name of "muh protecting wimminz"
It's both sad and funny in that schadenfreude kind of way.
Certainly not funny for that woman who had a large man pound on the door and barge into the bathroom because he was concerned a tranny might be lurking in the bathroom his mother might use, or the one who had a women spy on them through the cracks in the door while they were taking a shit to make sure no trannies were around that might spy on poor innocent women and make them uncomfortable.

Police hate these laws too because they're nearly impossible to enforce but the cops are still the ones that get called and it's usually just a waste of their time they could be fighting real crime or actually causes problems like the multiple lawsuits cis women have launched at both police and establishments over such harassment.

>>8727379
>>8727385
>lol once they get complete power and get rid of everyone I don't like then I'll just tell them I changed my mind and surely there will be a mass of people who will stand up for me
Those who fail to learn from history...

>>8727351
No, I'm simply telling you that you're severely indoctrinated. You've been worked on so thoroughly that you won't even contemplate if the leftist dogma is wrong, no matter how incongruent it is with observable reality.

>>8727516
They won't get complete power. God you fucking trannies are insufferably smug that you are always right. Evangelical numbers are ever decreasing and their support for gays has only increased. I am aware this is a risk but the Democrats should have not become the party of open borders if they didn't want defections. At some point granting amnesty to 10 million becomes more abhorrent than the slight risk of losing the right to marry. I can still live comfortably without marriage. I cannot live comfortably surrounded by millions of Hispanics draining the economy and changing our culture permanently.

>>8727408
I'm against abortions. You know we live in a gynocracy when some subhuman cunt gets to murder her little babies and gets off scot free.
Fun fact: when a man kicks a pregnant woman's belly so hard it kills the fetus, he will be tried for murder. Not assault or battery, but murder. Yet if a woman kills it it's perfectly legal.

>>8727485
>literal mental patients on permanent suicide watch being paraded around as sane and normal
They literally say the exact same thing about gay people, you retard.
You'd shoot your own dick off if someone told you it was somehow sticking it to the trannies.

>>8727408
Supreme Court cases are notoriously sticky. Justices are extremely hesitant to overturn cases unless there is a very strong public majority demanding it. Keep in mind Scalia was appointed by Regan explicitly because he was anti-abortion, but when a case came up with the opportunity to overturn Roe v Wade he didn't vote to so so. Justices hate doing anything that opens potential for future issues with the Court's authority.

>>8727528
>Fun fact: when a man kicks a pregnant woman's belly so hard it kills the fetus, he will be tried for murder. Not assault or battery, but murder. Yet if a woman kills it it's perfectly legal.
How does society get this completely insane?

>>8727532
>le gays are the same as trannies maymay
Over 40% of you attempt to kill yourselves, you're fucking insane. The average life expectancy for a nigger tranny is 35 years, gays are nowhere near that even with fucking AIDS existing.

>>8727480
How, pray tell, does a company go into an established City and bury it's own lines underground in people's yards and under streets?

>>8727526
>God you fucking trannies are insufferably smug that you are always right.
That's because we are!

>>8727540
Gynocracy. Entire legal system is set up to favor the female whenever possible, even if you're poor you have a far greater chsnce receiving food stamps if you're a female than if you're a man.

>>8727540
Because the legal system is set up by lots of people so two groups with different points of view can create laws independent from one another so long as there isn't too much opposition?

Do you think government is just one hypocritical dude?


I swear to Christ. Even the most nuanced people itt who think they see shades of grey are still unable to think of how complicated the world actually is.

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>>8727351
/pol/ is right far more often than the corrupt msm, though. The election should have told you that most of them take orders from the DNC.

>>8727438
So what, you're putting all your hopes on the idea that it'll be too hard to reverse gay marriage for no specific reason and they'll just be too tired and give up after only doing what you want too?
And you switching parties will somehow suddenly remove all power, authority, and cultural momentum behind an evangelical takeover of the government and prevent them from attacking gay rights?

If you're not a /pol/ shitposter larping then you're retarded.

>>8725938
salam.
i'm not really wanting to argue or talk pollytix but i want to throw out there, if a civil war comes because of left vs right bullshit.

isis and AQ will walk up from mexico in a week.

>>8727462
So you hate trannies and nigger so much you're willing to throw yourself under the bus so you can feel like you're sticking it to them?

Perfect example of the /pol/ "cuck" meme actually be applicable, you cuck.

>>8727545
Google has been with fiber. That's what the rights of way are for. Where I live the right of way extends 30 feet from the centerline of the road. That's where the utilities get to play.

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>>8727438
It also helps tgat gay people actually contribute to society, many generals, scientists, composers, fashion designers, actors etc have been gay. Now take a gander at trannies, utterly useless creatures whose entire lives somehow revolve around their mental illness and trying to cope with it, they're almost without exception all poor, stupid as shit and on some sort of government assistance.

>>8727475
Why?
Why will they only be able to target trannies and nothing else?
Why won't they be able to do anything against gays even though their politics and legal tactics revolve around reversing gay marriage and they've been planning and fighting for it for years?

It seems like you're just insisting that this MUST be the case because it's what you WANT to be the case.
Or more likely you're just a /pol/ shitposter trying to push wedge issues, and the whole "we're totally on your side degenerates, just give us power and we'll protect you, also ignore everything else we say" bullshit.

>>8727561
>Do you think government is just one hypocritical dude?
Obviously not. I'm just shocked by how hypocritical and unjust the laws are allowed to be in this country.

>>8727519
I'm not the original anon, I was just laughing at the remarkable irony that you're so quick to rail against living in a bubble from the comfort of your own bubble
>you're severely indoctrinated. You've been worked on so thoroughly that you won't even contemplate if the /pol/ dogma is wrong, no matter how incongruent it is with observable reality
There's another taste of your own words, oh but that only applies to the people who disagree with you, right?

fucking LOL

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Just vote for whoever think will run the country best. Identity politics shouldn't decide your vote, policies and records should.

>>8727526
>the evangelicals just CAN'T get enough power to reverse gay marriage even though they're one justice away from having a favorable supreme court
>they'll only ever be able to get enough power to do just the things I want and none of the things they want that I don't and then I'll tell them I changed my mind and they'll leave office and everything will go back the way it was but without everyone who upsets me

>this is all undeniable fact because I want it to be so and really can't trump muh feels
wew

>>8727596
Attitudes like yours are one of the big things holding us back.

>>8727542
>le gays are the same as trannies maymay
No you retard, That's just a shitty strawman you've pulled out of your ass.

My point was that they SAY the same thing about gays.
It doesn't matter what the exact numbers are, it doesn't matter how they compare to trannies, they use the argument that gays have higher rates of suicide and stds and drug use and that's evidence they'r ejust mentally ill freaks that don't desver any rights.
And that's the argument you're supporting along with the retarded insistence that somehow it can be applied to you, even though many do so, because you're "nowhere near" as bad.

>>8727526
>God you fucking trannies are insufferably smug that you are always right.v
Yeah not like you, you ACTUALLY know you're always right because your feels tell you so :^)

The big bad evangelicals are just powerless and can't do anything except if we get them in power they'll surely do the one thing you want and nothing more.

kekekke

>>8727634
Trannies are what's holding us back. You only have to see tranny threads on here, where trannies openly say they would have no problem murdering their own parents if it could turn them into a real girl, that's how deranged you are. Most of you are commies or anarchists or similar degenerates and you contribute fuck all. If trannies ran the world it would collapse within a month because you can't even tie your own shoes without triggering your insanity somehow.

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>>8727639
>it doesn't matter what the exact numbers are
Trannies ignoring reality, what else is new? I mean that's pretty much your nature, you wouldn't be trannies otherwise.

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>>8727567
/pol/ just ignore and "forgets" all the times they were wrong while endlessly reposting and circlejerking over the one in a million time they happen to be right, thus the "/pol/ is always right meme" despite frequently being wrong.
They just take the contrarian position and assume they're right because "the mainstream" MUST be wrong and therefore the cool edgy underdog "alternative" must be right.

I've been telling y'all white LGBTs don't have our backs.

>>8727596
Yeah but the positive statistics about gays aren't the ones evangelicals promote and base policies on.
They throw out the stuff showing higher suicide and drug use and stds and homelessness and mental illness among gays.
It doesn't matter if "trannies are even worse", they want to get rid of all of you.

>>8727645
Most of the trannies here are pre-transition or in the early stages of transition. It's like a second puberty only at the wrong age, and with a lot of negative social pressures. Plus this is 4chan. It's understandable that tranny craziness would be a bit high, but there's no shortage of craziness from other groups on 4chan.
Talking about murder crosses the line of course but there's a lot of shitposting here by people going through a difficult period in their lives in a world that hates them. I don't see how haters who are unable to show compassion are better people.

>>8727651
So you're basically admitting you are just a shitposting /pol/ troll?
I mean that's what you're indicating by trying to misinterpret my post and attack a strawman.

The point is that evangelicals use high rates of shit among gays as evidence that they're mentally ill freaks, and you're advocating for that by calling such logic valid.

>>8727683
Funny how you didn't address the communism part, probably because you see nothing wrong with it, tranny.

>>8727694
>le tranny commie sjw jewish nigger muslim united boogeyman conspiracy keeping me down!

>>8727692
Fuck off with your low IQ mental gymnastics already. Why does every single tranny happen to be a brainlet?

>>8727703
>>8727703
>keeping me down
No, sweety. We're up, you're down.

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>>8727703
>doesn't address the point and defaults to screeching and redditposting instead

>>8727552
Supreme Court decisions are rarely overturned, especially not regarding minority rights.

>>8727570
Well more that the hounds will be satisfied on nibbles long enough to forget that they were hungry. If they can exert authority over trannies their urge to do so will be satisfied. It is worth the risk to potentially overhaul immigration law and at the very least avoid an amnesty.

>>8727570
>evangelical takeover

They have been getting weaker and more pluralist every year.

I used to be registered Green and now I am registered Republican. I do what I think matters to our generation.

>>8727583
Well more that I don't want to be around them, especially new import latinos, if I don't have to be and I don't fear homosexual sex ever becoming criminalized again.

Its not a cuck if I hate non-Whites and won't fuck them.

>>8727596
I wonder if those figures will change for married gays with kids vs those without.

>>8727599
Gays are a bigger group with a more powerful lobby and higher public sympathy.

>>8727627
Name a new civil right that was ever overturned by the courts.

None of you are even addressing the negatives on low-wage White people of importing more Central Americans and Mexicans and giving ones here amnesty that the Democrats would have tried.

>>8727642
What have they accomplished lately against gays?

>>8727645
This
>>8727658
Correct die in a fire you filthy nigger
>>8727692
I am not him. Evangelical-funded studies have had little to no impact on most courts in the past 5 years. With less people being observantly religious every year and young people increasingly identifying as gay I am not super worried about Christians ever regaining power.

>>8727694
I'm not a communist. I hate communism. I believe in free markets, small government, and individual liberty, but I'm pragmatic and not a rigid ideologue. It's better to be trans in a capitalist country than a communist one.
If other trans people are communist they're just wrong about that and misguided if they think we'll be treated better under a collectivist system.

>>8727734
>importing more Central Americans and Mexicans
I've been to Southern California last month and the amount of Squatemalan shits I've seen there was unhread of, it literally feels like being teleported somewhere to Central America. Total shithole, basically no white people around.

>>8727130
>white is can't be poor

>>8727734
>It is worth the risk to potentially overhaul immigration law and at the very least avoid an amnesty.
The Republican party has no interest in passing the kind of immigration overhaul you want, and they would pass amnesty if they weren't afraid of the backlash.

>>8727766
That must be why they are proposing a law to overhaul Hart-Cellar as many of us have proposed on 4chan?

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>>8727016
This is what commies actually believe.

>>8727734
I hope neonazis hate crime you

>>8727786
>all these buzzwords

>>8727716
I'm actually a different anon just laughing at your paranoid screeches about the commie conspiracy out to get you.

>>8727792
All that nervousness.

>>8727771
If you're talking about the Cotton-Perdue proposal that's going nowhere. And why say Hart-Celler, just say the 1965 immigration law or something. That's more commonly known.

>>8727804
I don't think communists are out to get me, I simply think they're subhumans. And trannies, being subhumans themselves, feel naturally attracted to a subhuman ideology.

>>8727806
I know it more as Hart Cellar but ok 1965 Hart-Cellar Act.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Nationality_Act_of_1965

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/444686/immigration-cotton-raise-act-deserves-support

What is stopping it is Democratic refusal to develop bipartisan solutions to slow immigration. They could compromise but no, if they make Republicans invoke the nuclear option they will get BTFO.

>>8727502

reminder that muslims in America are actually about as progressive as the rest of american society

>>8727805
Anyone using the word "neonazi" unironically proves he has no clue what he's talking about.

>>8727734
>teh evangelicals have no power and could never do anything that would be bad for gays, but we need to put them in power because they're the only ones with the power to btfo the stupid trannie that upset me
weeeeeeeew

I honestly can't tell if you're a /pol/ spammer trying to sow chaos with wedge issues or just the more retarded self-deluding fag on the whole board.

>>8727837
I don't think trannies are even getting BTFO that hard. They might get a few laws against them using opposite natal sex bathrooms that are impossible to enforce, some local restrictions on gender identity discrimination removed by a state but nothing severe and nothing that will affect me. Sometimes you have to accept the natural ebb and flow of life.

These laws and judicial decisions only affect a few states and are not permanent. Social policy has always headed towards moderate and other policies need moderating at this time so it is not my focus.

>>8727837
Nobody likes trannies, time to face reality.

>>8727612
That's what a country that isn't 10 dudes with one autocratic leader is.

All countries are bureaucracies with many moving parts and many different groups vying for different things.

The fact that you're shocked by this, think it is exclusive to a country, and believe there's any possible other way governments could work reeks of naivete.

>>8727734
>Evangelical-funded studies have had little to no impact on most courts in the past 5 years.

Huh, how odd. It's almost like for the past five years, we've had a democrat in office, and a democrat choosing supreme court nominees.

>>8727819
Believe whatever you want. The Republicans' paymasters don't want Cotton-Perdue.
I'm not a Democrat btw and I think immigration should be scaled back. I think both major parties are cancer though and the minor parties aren't really any better.

>>8727854
Trump was a known social moderate and was a compromise between the two parties that nobody wanted to admit. Assuming the Democrats won in 2016 they would do everything to speed up Texas turning blue because then Republicans could never win again federally in current form.

Trump is a proven social moderate who talks crazy but acts sensibly.

He buys us more time for Texas.

>>8727844
>Nobody likes trannies, time to face reality.
I don't expect people to like us but I do expect our existence to be tolerated.

>>8727860
This is why we need to support the Californian secession.

>>8727866
Tough shit. You're basically somewhere between schizophrenics and pedophile rapists for most people.

>>8727874
Ask most of the world what they think about faggots :^) literally the majority of people worldwide think you're a pervert.

>>8727860
The Republican party hates Trump. They want to be rid of him but are afraid of the popular backlash if they move too openly against him. For now they're just sandbagging him.

>>8727874
>pedophile rapists
Over on freerepublic they call gays just that all the time.

>>8727898
Nobody knows what that is.

>>8727883
Thankfully I live in America and not "most of the world".

>>8727860
>talks crazy but acts sensibly.
Source from his actual presidency?

>>8727824
And when there are enough of them, they'll be confident enough to show their true colors. This is happening in Europe. Do you even real life?

>>8727867
If only.

>>8727885
No he has hostile elements but broad-based support even among moderates.

>>8727910
Well the watered down religious freedom executive order comes to mind. He appeases social conservatives with minor moves while making bigger plays for domestic policy and financial agreements.

>>8727898
it's all pretty funny

pretty much all of the current anti-trans rhetoric is the same shit that was said to homosexuals, and yet they've managed to convince homosexuals

hell, even this bathroom shit isn't new. I don't know if any of you are old enough to remember, but back in the... early 80s I think it was? the idea that gay people shouldn't be allowed to use public facilities with their own sex wasn't uncommon. People thought they were pedophiles and rapists, and would rape if they were allowed in.

gays are so happy not to be the lowest target anymore that they've forgotten their history

>>8727920
>He appeases social conservatives
But that's the thing. Every action Trump does is to appease his base. Where is the political sensibility in that? His base are his supporters. At the end of the day, they'd die before voting for Democrats. The people he needs to appease are the moderates and leftists he won over during the election and he's done nothing for them. By this point he's already lost them. They didn't vote for him to gut healthcare and lower taxes. They voted for him to get their jobs back from whatever bogeyman who took them. He's done absolutely nothing on that front.

Daily reminder that among the public, only hard-leftists like and the Democratic party likes open borders and mass immigration. Trump may actually halve legal immigration of third-worlders and build the wall.

>>8727938
>By this point he's already lost them.
He's at 42% approval, according to both Monmouth and Rasmussen. He's fine.

Real social conservatism is dying out, otherwise Cruz and not Trump would've won the GOP primaries.

>>8727938
He's done nothing really major to piss me off and I used to be registered green. He has been very sensible and is obviously new to politics. He can't help that you need 60 votes to pass a law now.

>>8727540
>>8727560
Gynocentrism.

>>8727938
people love to talk about how politically savvy he is or whatever, but there's a simple fact- he is not liked. He is not liked by congress, who have gone against him by refusing to repeal the ACA. He is not liked by the public, who see his incompetence, and now give him the lowest popularity since Ford. I doubt even his cabinet likes him anymore- he goes through them like like a bag of chips, and doesn't consult with them very much before doing anything.

He wants to be some sort of lone-gunman type of hero, standing alone yet loved by all, but that's just not happening. He's got a support base who treat him like a god and will deny any signs of him not being a popular leader, but that's about it.

>>8727967
I know he is unpopular because he wants to do the right thing.

>>8727920
>No he has hostile elements but broad-based support even among moderates.
Party insiders seem pretty hostile to me but they're putting up with him for now. If the Republicans don't have a good showing in 2018 I think they'll move more openly against him.

>>8727956
how about looking at the actual polling averages
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

37%. He's well below pretty much every president at this point.

>>8727974
2018 is set up to be an easy election for Republicans though in the Senate at least.

>>8727977
>Jews lower the average by 5 percent. Is it really worth the minor obfuscation?

>>8727959
being new to politics isn't a valid excuse. If you're new to politics, maybe don't try being the fucking president first

If we appointed some army private as a general, would you be saying that we should take his being new to leading into account? No. You'd wonder why you were stupid enough to appoint someone with no experience.

>>8727977
>fivethirtyeight
Do you ever get tired of gobbling up propaganda?

>>8727981
The point is his maverick tendencies confer him a certain degree of incorruptibility even for an elite person. He is what McCain was touted as.

>>8727357

>literally recognized as a mental disorder
>medical treatment only improving
>leaves you sterile and deformed

You people don't honestly believe this shit do you? It's clear the best option is to accept and thrive in the body you're born with

>>8727973
or maybe he's unpopular because he's just not a good president.

>>8727987
Nah he has alienated the more entrenched elements of both parties that poor, young White people dislike. He is the last of the boomer presidents I would guess and going out with a bang.

>>8727991
going out with a bang would explain why he wants war with NK so badly

>>8727357
>trannies talking about someone's feels being offended
Do you realize how ironic you're being right now? You lot literally deny biological reality because it's not aligned with your feels.

>>8727986
It's an extreme form of BDD that somehow got lumped in with homosexuality for whatever reason.

>>8727996
Hint: it's because it is not a form of BDD

>>8727986
Gender dysphoria doesn't work like that. The sterility issue will be addressed in time. Twenty years ago I honestly thought it would be possible to synthesize gametes by now but progress is slower than I expected. It will happen though because a lot more people than just trannies will benefit.
We're not mutilated. I think my current body is a major upgrade. Just wait until technology allows more radical body modification. Trannies will be the least of your concerns.

>>8727998
It is. Even the suicide rates are pretty much the same.

>>8727941
>Open borders
Such a tiny minority of American Democrats advocate for open borders it makes you look ridiculous.

>Third-worlders
Aside from a small number of refugees, almost all legal immigrants to the US are wealthy and highly educated who come here to work in highly skilled fields that the US workforce is unable to fill with citizens.

If the wall is built and all of those billions of dollars are pumped into it, then yes. Illegal immigration can be reduced by a good percent, but I wonder if that's actually going to save as much money as it cost to even break even in 50 years.

>>8727983
You mean the only mainstream news site that gave Trump a decent chance of winning by election night.

Youre right. Super biased.

>>8728002
>Aside from a small number of refugees, almost all legal immigrants to the US are wealthy and highly educated who come here to work in highly skilled fields that the US workforce is unable to fill with citizens.
That's nonsense. A VAST majority of legal immigrants come to the US through family visas, not employment visas. It's called chained migration, a guy marries a shitskin woman from the Philippines, she becomes LPR/citizen within a few years and suddenly she's eligible to sponsor her parents, siblings and cousins for immigration too.

>>8728000
really not though, champ

BDD is about focusing on details which either aren't there or are really small. Your perception of reality is warped.

GD is about focusing on what actually is there, and having intense discomfort because of it. The perception of reality in that case is not warped, reality is simply not liked.

>>8728027
Lol no BDD is distorting what is there as is GD. They are identical.

>>8728006
see, this is what I meant by saying that trump has a small group of supporters who have a cult around him. Despite fivethirtyeight actually being pretty dang reliable, because it isn't favorable to Trump, it no longer is credible to anon.

>>8728027
>BDD is about focusing on details which either aren't there or are really small.
You've seen trannies on here? Literal cases of suicidal behavior because they have hips too narrow or shoulders too broad or some other nonsense. Even the trannies themselves will confirm to you they can clock a tranny better than cis people simply because they're obsessed about completely irrelevant details.

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>>8728006
You mean that they were one of a hundred leftist sites that spent the election cycle being ridiculously wrong about everything?

>>8728030
GD has nothing to do with distortion though

you see what's there for what it is, you simply don't like it

It's not that trans people see their body and say "this is a female body"*, they see a male body and hate it, and want a female body instead.

*I'll acknowledge that there are some trans people who do see their body and say it's a female body. That's very far from the majority, and pretty much unheard of here.

>>8728006
The only mainstream news that gave him good chance was the LA Times poll IIRC.

>>8728035
>Despite fivethirtyeight actually being pretty dang reliable
They made 50 predictions regarding Trump during the elction, and they were wrong about every single one. You rabid leftists are truly beyond hope, nothing gets through your indoctrination.

>>8728051
It is a distorted fixation that traits in you that are feminine are that of a woman rather than a male who is feminine.

I think people fixate pathologically, same as for BDD, but specifically on the gender elements of their persona, in a way I would consider somewhat autistic at least.

>>8728002
>Such a tiny minority of American Democrats advocate for open borders it makes you look ridiculous.
You're talking about all "progressives"? They clearly think that all who don't want this policy are Nazis. Hillary also stated her support.

>>8728045
>Rachel Maddow
Why are dykes so subhuman

>>8725938
/our goy/

https://youtu.be/9bhmYsYK7ow

>>8728030
No they aren't. BDD is a type of OCD. Here's a good article:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3181960/
The response to treatment is totally different too. Surgery does not usually help with BDD but SSRIs do help. The opposite is true with gender dysphoria.

>>8728066
>Hillary also stated her support
Please cite where Hillary Clinton said the US should have open borders. I would love to see this.

>>8728054
>I don't know what statistical probability is or how how it works, therefore anyone who purports it is garbage.

So someone who wins the lottery can just say "fuck the retards who said it's 1/10000000000 chance I would win the lottery. I did it so clearly they were wrong!"?

>>8728111
You made the assertion that only a tiny minority of Dems want open borders. After you.

>>8728120
>I have no idea what I'm talking about and likely some form of reading/cognitive impairment

>>8728122
Lol, iconic.

>>8728129
>Fuck those indoctrinated casino liars. I spun the roulette wheel 100 times and never got green!

>>8728105
So you are claiming that a gender fixation is not obsessive?

>>8728111
She would have supported an amnesty bill for 11 million people.

https://youtu.be/QwIU7iUfhow?t=7m41s

Watch this ^

>>8728061
>I think
You think but you're wrong. This is your own pet theory or something you copypasted into your brain. At least try to learn what you're talking about before shitposting.

>>8728144
>An amnesty bill is the same as open borders

Where those goalposts go?

>>8728156
Yeah I would say that 11 million people getting American citizenship illegally is tantamount to open borders.

At least some gays will have kids and have a stake in our future. Trannies are just reckless narcissists.

>>8728162
>Saying that a group of people already here should be granted citizenship is the same as saying anyone who wants to come over can do so at any time and always

Do you even understand what open borders are?

>>8728144
>So you are claiming that a gender fixation is not obsessive?
It is not akin to OCD. It is overpowering but not an obsession in the clinical sense.

>>8728167
They have to go back.

>>8728177
*Upvoat*

>>8728176
Why is it not an obsession? I think the term autistic gender fixation pretty neatly defines it.

>>8728177
so that's a no, you don't understand open borders

>>8728187
I understand that she was not promoting complete free movement between borders but she had no real clear proposal for tightening security because it is in her interest to let in as many illegal aliens as possible who would likely vote for her re-election.

>>8728179
It's your turn to do research. I get it, you hate trannies and are desperately pushing transerasure and that's all you care about. Wallow in your willful ignorance. There's no sense in discussing things if you're going to constantly redefine terms to fit your agenda.

>>8728136
Can't do so, eh?

>>8728200
Nope. You win. Democrats want the whole country overrun by Muslims raping the white women and murdering white men.

>>8728198
Trans is gay erasure because so many of them are gay guys who claim to be straight as women.

>>8728140
>I'm not indoctrinated
>just because 538 said that Trump had no chance of accomplishing several feats and he went on to do so... it certainly doesn't reflect poorly on them

>>8728208
Still not seeing a source that corroborates your silly assertion. I think you should just bow down gracefully instead of throwing a tantrum, but ok.

>>8728208
We want Muslim dick

>>8728212
>1/3 chance
>No chance

Yep. The same numbers.

>>8728216
>Saying that the DNC doesn't want to have free and unlimited immigration is a silly assertion.
Yes sir. I am silly. You sure is smart. I is dumb.

>>8728228
Hey, it's not my fault that you're all radicals.

>>8726024
>Whatever happened to having the most qualified people in charge regardless of race?

That never existed, anon.

>>8725938
White people ARE evil. The fact that you people get so pissy when called out on your shit proves this.

Evil and childish.

>>8728285
If there's anyone that's evil, it's women.

>>8728280
Being in charge is more about connections, networking, and being socially adept at climbing the hierarchy. Being the "most qualified" has little to do with it. So no, the most qualified people have never been in charge but it's not because of attitudes towards minorities.

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>>8728285
>>8728348

Some white people are evil.
Some black people are evil.
Some yellow people are evil.
Some brown people are evil.
Some women are evil.
Some men are evil.

The problems begin when you start saying ALL women are evil, ALL black people are evil, etc.

Don't speak in absolute terms because they are obviously falsifiable.

>>8728354
>the most qualified people have never been in charge

demonstrably false

>>8728409
If you mean that from time to time the person in charge of whatever has been the most qualified person, I would say I agree. I would not agree that in general the most qualified have risen to the top, especially in politics.

>>8726917
This is exactly what I was thinking. Let them get rid of the commies and union alsocommies. Then when they start getting antisemitic out they go.

>>8726847
>about 70% of republicans don't approve of gay marriage
60% and dropping, if trump talks about it more it would drop faster (which is possible because roger stone is talking in his ear)

>>8727262
There are less and less religious people everyday

>>8727315
>thinking this is bait
I was dead serious in making this, not to mention that's a bad argument because even Mussolini argues that racism among whites is stupid, a fucking fascist said that

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>>8727315
>When /pol/ doesn't have an obvious darker person to band together against they quickly turn on eachother; x aren't true whites, y are mix raced mudbloods, z was never white, I'm white but no one else is.
On /pol/ it's unironically shitskins who post shit like that, not white people. "IF I'M NOT WHITE THEN NOBODY IS" kind of butthurt mentality.

>>8727658
Why the fuck should we when your kind hates white people?

>>8728285
Not really, this was in response to all of the blacks and others claiming that charlottesville is proof that whites need to be replaced, this is just a response to you being terrible and pushing for cultural Marxism

>>8727658
>blame white people for everything bad that ever happened, openly hunt for them in the streets, slaughter white populations the moment you gain the majority and power
>waaah waaah why don't wypipo like us
Get fucked.

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>>8727657

>>8728285

baleet thees

>>8729165
Not to mention the goal of some of the softer poc racists is replacement, sometimes through breeding at higher rates and sometimes through mandatory white abortion. White genocide isn't a thing but poc racists sure want it to be

>>8728285
What about White People who haven't done anything wrong?
inb4 'no one is truly innocent'
Everyone has done something, sure, but not every white person is going out and doing everything they can to undermine every other ethnic group. Interesting that you make that statement, though.
Next you'll probably say something like, "All Cis-people are Homophobic."

Thread is bait but everyone should abandon the Dems for tolerating bigotry. Humanism means fighting for equal treatment, The DNC is fighting for identity politics and their elitocracy.

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THE REAL FIGHT IS AUTHORITARIANISM VS LIBERTARIANISM

LIBERTARIANISM IS NOT SOME ANARCHY MEME THAT WE DECLARE ALL AT ONCE AND SOCIETY FALLS APART

IT IS A GOAL THAT WE WORK TOWARDS BY DECENTRALIZING AUTHORITY WITH TECHNOLOGY LIKE CRYPTO CURRENCY AND EMPOWERING INDIVIDUALS AND SMALL GROUPS

>>8729414
Op here, not bait, genuinely think it could be more worth it to try to reform the republicans than to try and save the democrats due to how entrenched they are in identity politics. Bernie could've saved them but black people didn't like him enough, the libertarians gaining traction would require acts of wizardry due to the voting systems we have in America (fptp, electoral college, ect), at the very least more and more republicans are getting aboard the gay train so we might as well just push that train to go a little faster until the dnc starts to realize why its losing.

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>>8729414
The Repubs have control of all three arms of government in the US.
Why are you still going on about the Dems?
Why can't Repubs accomplish anything?

Because it is a false dichotomy.

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>>8729446
well in theory republicans should be more focused on states rights aka a republic and democrats are obsessed with abandoning the electoral college and making the US an angry mob rule over the central government through "democracy"

ironic cause you guys argue that a strong central gov prevents states from being mean to trannies like south carolina but then the political pendulum swings and trumpo bans trannies from the military lol

decentralizing power structures hedges against a single fault and there is no gaurentee that the top of the power pyramid couldnt become corrupted and tyrannical

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>>8727257
The disticntion is that if Company A is fucking you so you take your money and buy from Company B instead, even if Company A doesn't change anything about its products or policies, now you have B Product®, and you don't have to put up with A and their shit no matter how popular it is. With the government, if everyone votes to fuck you with switchblades you just plain lose.

Apparently being gay doesn't make up for the original sin of "white privilege". WHo is more oppressed either a disabled gay white woman or a straight cis black man? It's the victim Olympics!

>>8725978
Marxists are the useful idiots of the DNC.

>>8729297
So why pol was WRONG in 2012?