so everyone on this board is a communist right

>>8723512
Why the fuck would you be a communist? That might be the most retarded idology out there.

>>8723512
Well, what version of communism? I don't think the people can be trusted with owning all means of production directly. A strong state is necessary. I'm more of an authoritarian socialist but I'm not exactly a fan of any real world implementation of authoritarian socialism.

Yes, except for some /pol/yp shills who come by from time to time

>>8723512
I'm not even retarded enough to be a nazi, let alone a commie.

Oh yes, comrade. We're all communists here. Let's go for a nice helicopter ride together.

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"Exterminate all homosexuals and fascism will vanish."

Gay communist are one of the most delusional people in the world

>>8723630
Yeah, the left wasn't very tolerant of gays back in the day.

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Schwanzschwulen

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Criminal code 121
five years hard labor

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>>8723691
second

I would rather die than be communist and that isn't hyperbole.

>>8723512

N to the O to the P to the E

Nobody takes my fucking computer from me

How will I contact the tranny hive if I don't have PC

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>>8723512
Better dead than red.

>>8723512
I'm lefty but I'm not communist (yet)

Friendly reminder that the only good commie is a dead commie.

No suffering is good enough for a communist.

>>8723781

Bit far

>>8723512
Nope. I'm a fan of personal property and markets. Though I'm not an austic ancap nor do I think capitalism is perfect, in fact I consider it a necessary evil.
So I understand that, but I seriously don't get the idea of communism, a workers utopia? Haven't we understood by now that a utopia is pretty much impossible?

>>8723512
>let's get rid of money and give gubbermint all the power
Of course perfect idea, I'm sure they won't abuse that. Mao was such a great character.

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Communism/Marxism is killing my country

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I'm a post left anarcho-nihilist, egoist, and xenofeminist.

>>8724121
>government
>communism
>with a government
AHAHAHAHAHA

>>8723786
*Bit fair

>>8724150
Hahaha yes if we call it something else we can pretend it doesn't has the same meaning. I mean it wasn't the GOVERNMENT that killed people in communist china no no, it was the PARTY totally different thing.

>>8724162
Calm down you stupid classcuck like okay kid don't you even read like holy fuck nigger you're so dumb holy shit the whole point is moving on past state society like holy dang how delusional can one nazi get hahaha

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>>8723833
>believes communism gets rid of personal property

>>8724196
>personal property
What is this meme?

>>8724196
>>8724170
>believes the Marxist distinction between "personal" and "private" property isn't 100% arbitrary and based on what the commissar says

LOL

>>8724217
Not him but everyone knows this, personal property is property that belongs to an individual and can be used by that individual. It's distinct from private property because private property is often not used by the owner at all, only held for profit, and often owned by organizations instead of individuals.

>>8724231
>Marxist distinction
>Marxist distinction
>Marxist distinction
KEK KID NO

>>8723512
I'm cis and straight but I'm a communist.

>>8724241
In political/economic theory, notably socialist, Marxist, and most anarchist philosophies, the distinction between private and personal property is extremely important. Which items of property constitute which is open to debate. In some philosophies, such as capitalism, private and personal property are considered to be exactly equivalent.

Personal property includes "items intended for personal use"[3] (e.g., clothes, homes, and vehicles,[3] and sometimes money).[4] It must be gained in a socially fair manner, and the owner has a distributive right to exclude others.
Private property is a social relationship between the owner and persons deprived (not a relationship between person and thing), e.g., artifacts, factories, mines, dams, infrastructure, natural vegetation, mountains, deserts and seas. Marxism holds that a process of class conflict and revolutionary struggle could result in victory for the proletariat and the establishment of a communist society in which private property and ownership is abolished over time and the means of production and subsistence belong to the community. (Private property and ownership, in this context, means ownership of the means of production, not personal possessions).[citation needed]
To many socialists, the term private property refers to capital or the means of production, while personal property refers to consumer and non-capital goods and services.[5][6]


Yes, Marxist. Deal with it. You don't get to undo the work of your compatriots filthy collectivist.

>collectivism when I can preach at capitalism, individualism when it's convenient for me

>>8723512
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes
>literally killed more than the nazis
Trip on Eugenie.

>>8724253
oh my god kid don't just copy and paste your faggy wikipedia bullshit, it came from anarchists first, like holy shit
>everything I don't like is marx

>>8724270
When your argument relies on "kid" insults and distraction from the central point it means I've won.

There is no distinction between personal and private property that isn't 100% arbitrary and there never will be. Hundred and fifty years you can't manage it... LOL

>>8724241
>It's distinct from private property
Unambiguously define the distinction. Protip, you can't.

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>>8723547
GAS THE TRANNIES

FAG WAR NOW

Communists are mislead. They'll get over made believe world and realise it always leads to massive death counts even if they claim it's "others causing it" it's just not worth the risk if this were true. It's completely fucked up and you will die.

>>8723512
Fuck no. That shit was proven to be awful once the S.U. fell, North Korea's still around but it's butt fuck awful.

Communism is dumb.

>>8724284
>>8724281
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/the-anarchist-faq-editorial-collective-an-anarchist-faq-03-17
Kindergarten tier shit

>>8724747
lmao fuck off stupid american

>>8723512
Fuck no, gas commieshits

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>>8723512
I actually got called a nazi by a bunch of crazy trannies then after a while they just decided to call me a centrist.

Feels weird and now I understand why /clg/ hates them so much, /clg/ is always right.

>>8724757
>a centrist.
You went from looking like a nazi to looking like a liberal?
Calm down with the fashion statements bub.

>>8724748
Not an argument, cuck

>>8723641
ah yes and the nazis were guardians of lgbt rights

>>8724766
Well it was them that kept changing the subject description and not me.
I was just there looking at it and saying where in the hell I ended up in this situation.

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>>8723512
BETTER DEAD THAN RED

>>8724769
>my grade three history teacher said america was the land of the free and russians are evil commies and germans are evil nazis and we're all lucky to have burger king and mcdonalds

>>8724781
Nigger. Read.
>>8724748

>>8724788
>this nibba actually thinks fascists wouldnt murder his ass and throw him in a ditch with the gypos and the jews.

Well, I sure as hell don't support capitalism in any form. We are literally destroying this planet because people want more toys to play with. Not to even mention the inherent inequality built in to the system.

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>>8724802
>if you dislike commies then you're a fascist

>>8724792
Burgers are the foundation upon which free society is built. Don't you ever fucking badmouth burgers again

>>8723512
Fuck off, kike.

>>8724808
If you intentionally spread age old far right ethnic nationalist propaganda...

I'm only socially left. Economically pretty much centrist.

>>8724828
>If you intentionally spread age old far right ethnic nationalist propaganda...
Lol wut

>>8724828
I didn't mean it seriously, you tard.

>>8724842
He probably means how I said "better dead than red," a common(?) phrase during the red scare/with mccarthyists

There are a few soviet communists on mtfg but theyre autistic tripfags who don't pass anyway

>>8724804
Inequality is built into nature.

>>8724859
Of course, communism is an attractive ideology for all types of failures and rejects. I've noticed that all the most attractive mtfs are fiercely pro-capitalist.

>>8724170
>>8724196
>>8724241
>>8724270
>>8724748
>>8724792
You couldn't make it more obvious you are underage

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>>8724804
>because people want more toys to play with
Food isn't a toy anon.

>>8724848
It's not propaganda if it's the truth.

>>8724949
You couldn't make it more obvious you've never read a book

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>>8724949
>quotes at least three people
The absolute hero of mother europe! Here to save me with his #1337logic and pagan alt-facts.

>>8724951
But capitalism is remarkable because of how much food is actively destroys with the intention of making sure it doesn't get to starving people, who otherwise might end up paying for it.
To eat, is to not be on the bottom half of capitalism.

>>8724985
>hurr durr why don't we just give away excess food for free
How can you be this economically illiterate holy shit.

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>2017
>unironically believing communism is a viable economic system
>unironically failing ECON101

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>>8724992
>>8724994
We have more than enough to feed the entire planet four times over.
>economically illiterate
Nice meme faggot. You got your ideas from loser nobodies like "sargon of bitching about teenage girls" While I get my shit straight from the source.
If you weren't so historically illiterate, you'd know that a collective farming effort is always going to be more efficient and feed more people than a wasteful corporate farm that actively destroys food to prevent it from reaching people's mouths.
I mean, I'd like to link you some basic fucking books on this shit but I know you wouldn't read it, you'd just wait for a youtube video to "debunk" historical fact.

>>8724985
>>8725005
what stops people from giving nearly expired food to the less fortunate?

http://fox4kc.com/2016/11/03/hundreds-of-pounds-of-american-royal-barbecue-bleached-and-thrown-in-dumpster/

ITS THE FUCKING GOVERNMENT YOU DIPSHIT. HOLY SHIT ANCOMS DONT EVEN MAKE SENSE.

most authoritarian regimes hate trannies, so idgi

>>8725014
>what stops people from giving nearly expired food to the less fortunate?
Nothing. This is how my government tries to feed the poor.
It's mostly expired by the time anyone gets it.
Meanwhile good healthy food is being destroyed on purpose.

>>8725024
The first paragraph of the wikipedia article of communism will blow your fucking mind.

>>8725005
>sargon
I don't watch that whiny faggot. He is not even on the periphery of my thinking. Yet you're so obsessed with this internet culture war bullshit you bring him up apropos of nothing. Congratulation on proving yourself to be retarded once again.

>>8725025
>dont read article

i guess you cant be expected to learn anything

and name a communist society that protected trannies. i'd love to hear that

>>8725031
>use 4chan lolbert memes to argue
>nah I don't get my info from 4chan lolbert sources
Coulda fooled me.

>>8725034
A communist society is incapable of explicitly protecting any one group of people as that would require a state and a state police force, which are directly anti-communist things.
This is an undeniable fact to anyone educated outside of the united states.

>>8725025
in fairness... i did actually look up the wiki article on communism, said nothing to suggest otherwise than the reality that most authoritarian governments don't like trannies (or homos), and that definitely has to do with maintaining societal structure, i'm actually pretty well read in stalinism, and this is a pillar of his philosophy... lead a life that benefits the state or be gulag'd

>>8725046
Like I said. The first paragraph.
>In political and social sciences, communism (from Latin communis, "common, universal")[1][2] is the philosophical, social, political, and economic ideology and movement whose ultimate goal is the establishment of the communist society, which is a socioeconomic order structured upon the common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money,[3][4] and the state.[5][6]
>social classes, money,[3][4] and the state.[5][6]
>and the state.[5][6]
Authoritarianism is defined by a large state.

>>8725038
>Economics is a 4chan lolbert meme
Just stop. You're a mirror image of /pol/ with the same tribalist thinking and lack of self-awareness.

>>8725038
ecause a truly communist society is immpossible unless every memeber is volunarily a member. you don't understand that literally any communist regime will quickly deteriorate to authoritarianism after a generation or so. that's why literally any economist knows communism is impractical and only proposed by idiots or scam artists

>>8725065
"economically illiterate" to describe anyone who didn't immediately dropout of economics 101 feeling satisfied with their basic, establishment, corporate sponsored interpretation of economics is very much a 4chan meme, yes, you idiot. I'm on 4chan right now. I'm exposed to the memes. You're a meme.

>>8725064
ah, yes, the marxist dilemma. all communist governments must first impose authoritarianism before true marxism can be reached, aka the marxist dilemma... google maoism or stalinism. this is a basic understanding of communism.

>>8725067
it's not even deterioration, it HAS to be this way, according to most communist literature, before the whole landmass is communist

>>8725067
What you're saying is by literal definition, impossible.
All members being voluntary members is also something incredibly easy when your society is defined by the lack of a coercive centralized force. To try to opt out of a stateless society is only possibly by creating a new state to attack people.

>>8725075
>all communist governments
What is wrong with you fucking americans? Why do you all think this is a thing?

>>8725083
GOOGLE STALINISM OR MAOISM

>>8725064
how can you achieve a class-less, mony-less society without authoritarianism, and what makes the ruling class in that authoritarian society relinquish power? even Marx understood socialism was a necessary precursor to communism.

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>>8723512
Nope. In fact I'm National Guard. I love serving my community by rescuing drowning people and building bridges during hurricanes and spraying rioting commie cosplayers and naziboos with military grade tear gas.

Daily reminder that communism is a draconian 19th century economic system that belongs in the dustbin of history and mist educated people agree that mixed economic systems have prouduced the best real world results.

>>8725038
>a state and a state police force
>directly anti-communist things
what the fuck am i reading

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Territory

communists actively destroy any attempt at a stateless society

yes in orthodox marxism the stateless society is the ultimate goal but even marx stated that a "dictatorship of the proletariat" was first necessary to achieve that end goal. Most marxist that came after him leaned further and further authoritarian.

what you are advocating is social anarchism, anarcho-socialism, anarcho-syndicalism, etc
*not* communism

>>8725073
>I'm exposed to the memes
I can see that. You're so exposed your brain rotted out.

>>8725087
Marxism is only a tiny fraction of communist thought, and one of the newer ones at that, and it's in conflict with the majority of communist thought and the majority of communists.
But you wouldn't know that.
Because you have an american education.
Which explained away everything except the current american system as an evil dictatorship once in grade school and then never touched on the subject again.

>>8725088
>how can you have a non authoritarian society without being authoritarian
Your standards are absurd and impossible to reach, it's quite easy, the anarchists have done it plenty of times before being murdered by people who don't like it when they aren't in control.

>>8725083
>What you're saying is by literal definition, impossible.
i know communism is impossible, glad you finally get that

the rest doesn't even make grammatical sene

>>8724150
>the state will ever give up power

LMAO AN ANARCHO COMMUNIST IN THE WILD

The only people fucking stupid than Ancaps

HAHAHAHAH HOLY SHIT

>>8725092
You realize you're arguing for anarchism, against marxism, with a post-left anarchist, yes? I hate marxists more than you. Communism is not marxism. The free territory you defend as a victim of communism, was communist itself.

>>8725098
i am literally an angolan.... i was educated in angola until the 11th grade... why r u so dumb. like i said. i am pretty well versed on communist literature, especially as an angolan, and u r being very dumb!!

>>8725100
Communism has worked very well before the marxists and nazis and americans send their armies.

>>8725102
>anarchist state
YOU SEEM CONFUSED FRIEND
FRIEND YOU SEEM CONFUSED

>>8724804
what if we could modify capitalism so that it did not destroy the planet and inequality was present but reduced and the quality of life of everyone (even the poorest and most marginalized) was increased substantially

>>8724802
>EVERYONE WHO DISAGREES IS A LITERAL NAZI

This is why no one in the real world takes commucuks seriously

Who else /r/neoliberal here?

>>8725106
If you're so well versed in communist literature then you should have no problem detailing kropotkin's argument against direct wealth redistribution?

>>8724196
its so hard to bust a nut with that dude staring you in the face

>>8725098
>the anarchists have done it plenty of times before being murdered by people who don't like it when they aren't in control

no shit, humans are greedy and like to have things. if everyone is murdered, that means your economic system has failed.

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>>8724804
>inequality

But global poverty over time has been plummeting under capitalism, far faster since the abolition of the large communist powers

>>8725115
only if u apologize for misgendering me as an american baka

>>8725118
"I'll kill you" isn't an argument as to why the system doesn't work. It's just you being upset that it does work.

>>8725119
>when you redefine poverty and call sweatshops "feminist empowerment"
Fucking liberals man.

>>8724848
Mccarthy was right though

Communist cockroaches were infiltrating the US. Leaked documents after the fall of the USSR confirmed it.

>inb4 McCarthy was a fascist

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>>8725108
>communism works when all other superior systems don't exist

is this literally the best argument communists can some up with?

Classical liberal shading towards libertarian.

A well regulated free market, equal justice, a strong sense of shared values, evenhanded dispensation of societal resources and meritocratic policies lead to the greatest prosperity for the greatest number, and I want to sloppily and loudly fuck little dudes that look like bitches while getting high

>>8725126
This.

>>8725128
>communism working perfectly with no flaws
>authoritarians send their armies to the anarchists who do not have such strict military domination in their society
>this is the fault of communists and not a military culture
I mean, yeah, okay, sure, winning wars makes you "right".

>>8725098
>being murdered by people who don't like it when they aren't in control.

and thats exactly the problem, we wouldnt need jails if everyone behaved properly, unfortunately some small percentage do behave poorly and so we need jails to improve the quality of life of the vast majority

anarchist society might work for 90% of the population but that other 10% must be dealt with or they will destroy that anarchist utopia

>>8725127
Note that there is a difference between the man Joseph McCarthy and McCarthyism.

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>>8725126
Yeah those factory jobs are highly coveted. The standard of living for workers has shot up through the roof compared to farming millet in isolated villages for $1 a day or busting rocks on a collective farm to eat weak soup at the end of the night.

Globalism is spreading wealth at an unprescedented rate, and anyone who studies the dynamics of global poverty over time can we this.

>inb4 the commucuck brainlet gets assblasted and starts screaming and trying to move goal posts

>>8725122
if you can be so easily killed in every instance under this system, is it really all that great?

>>8725139
>communism working perfectly with no flaws
the flaw is that it can be dominated by an authoritarian society with a strong military. humans are greedy, we like to have things. human history is dominated by wars and conflicts over resources. how will communism protect the resources that are necessary to survival from outside threats?

>>8725098
>communism would work if everyone could just get along

no shit. the reason we say communists are idealistic retards is because 4000+ years of human history has proven we are incapable of just getting along. it sounds great in theory, but in practice its a fucking disaster

>>8723512
I lean libertarian right -bi male

>>8725126
if my choice is between

1. living in a traditional society where i am in arranged marriage at 13 and have to do all the housework in addition to hours farming everyday

2. going to work for a wage at 16 in a factory but with freedom to choose who i marry and the general direction of my life

I would go for 2, that doesn't mean we stop trying to improve conditions, but thats the choice we have. Its not a choice of sweatshop or cushy job in a office, there is not enough material wealth in the 3rd world for that to be a possibility at this moment.

agrarian -> ugly capitalism -> socialized capitalism -> (something better?)
this is how it works, you dont get to jump ahead

>>8725103
i dont think you understand how language works
you dont get to unilaterally decide the definition of words
the definition of communism is whatever the majority of the community of practice (eg english speakers, or with more technical language, those who make up the field of study)

we have very similar views but calling yourself a communist is literally autistic

>>8725181
>the definition of communism is whatever the majority of the community of practice (eg english speakers, or with more technical language, those who make up the field of study)
the definition of communism is whatever the majority of the community of practice (eg english speakers, or with more technical language, those who make up the field of study) agree it is*

>>8725170
That's exactly how it worked in every industrialized nation. Marx didn't realize this. He thought communism would be the end goal, but as workers wages increased under capitalism they began organizing for more rights and political power and this eventually lead to social democracy. Meanwhile the only places communism sunk its claws were agrarian backwaters and former colonies who lived in serflike conditions. Socialism didn't come after capitalism, it served as a painful step between feudalism and capitalism on the way to humanity's ultimate system - the social democratic state.

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>ancoms all disappear when asked how their society would defend from external threats
>again

why do people choose to be this stupid?

>>8725196
But he insulted a lot of people on a tenth graders level and called you all fascists! How are you not convinced of his superior system?

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>>8723512
Do it again Based Sparrow!

>>8725196
>private ownership of nukes
btfo statists

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>>8725225

>>8724982
>HEY MA LOOK AT HOW HARD I'M SAMEFAGGING

>>8725005

/his/ here, you're full-blown retarded if you think collective farming is an effective form of harvesting, by the end of the Soviet Union, the entire country was importing gran because production on state farms was so low.

>>8725240
And during Tsarist Russia wasn't it an exporter of grain?

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>>8725240
i was looking for grain export statistics but i found this instead

>>8725240
Soviet importation of grain per capita was practically the same as western europe's, the issue was most of this grain was used to feed livestock. Tsarist Russia could export grain because it didn't have a developed industrial agroindustry requiring tons and tons of grain to feed to just cows.

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>>8725274
>only permanent feature of communism is temporary food shortages
>import grain to feed cows, leave peasants to starve

Soviet union really showing its true colors when bovine are worth feeding but your average peasant is only good for tickling your Schadenfreude by drowning them in ridiculous amounts of beurocratic red tape if they even want to open a lemonade distribution stand.

No I'm a Christian but thanks for thinking about me.

Jesus hates pedophiles, not homosexuals.

Satan is real so be vigilant.

>>8725333
Pics or it didn't happen

>Also nice trips faggot.

>>8723512
GAY
SPACE
COMMUNISM

>>8725330
>the 1970s and the 1930s are the EXACT same decade
american education

>>8725457
It was a joke, calm down comrad Hon.

Christ, I want reddit to leave and thake their whoremone popping acolytes with them.

Omg comrade I love being communist so much. ^_^ Just knowing I'm liberating the working class and minorities from the yoke of white male patriachy just makes me twist my nips haha omg

It's too bad Hillary didn't win, really. She would have finally brought about the gommunist utopia with all her donation money from Wall Street.

>>8723512
as long as they aren't marxist-leninist/maoist i don't care but they make up like 50% of leftists I've seen

>>8725196
Top kek we finally found the magic warding incantation to get rid of ancoms