/ftmg/ - female to male general

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First for kot
How does /ftmg/ feel about cats? Do you guys like them? Any of you have a special kitty?

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Does this look like a store for enbie cunts or can I buy some shit with a clear conscience?

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>>8707670
Kot is best pet. I don't own one, but will in the future.

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>>8707670
I like cats, finding friendly ones outside that let me pet them feels good man. I have no kot though, I have a pup.

>>8707710
That pup is basically a kot

I wish I would kill myself.

>>8707718
Nah

>>8707670

Dog rule, cats drool. Metaphorically.

>>8707670
I love cats. That's why I suggested "Kitty edition" in the last thread. So this is a 10/10 thread.

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>>8707688
BURN IT

But overall seems like standard modern fashion. Funny how like 80% of the shirts are clearly catering to male frames though lol. Lady cut tops won't work on male chests obviously, but vice versa goes for fitted mens tops.
Same with the pants, there are like 2 skirts and the rest are male-appropriate pants modelled on men.
Seems like a marketing thing. A healthy notch above 'period briefs' but still trying to draw in enbie chicks, without alienating the male market since the only men who care about fashion are fags anyway.

Still, buy whatever the fuck you want. Except pic related. Please.

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>>8707748

Also here you go, ya cat loving fucks.

>>8707688
Will "The Hale" from that site actually help with the hips?

https://www.thediscriminant.com/collections/the-trans/products/the-hale-2

>All these anons without cats
I'll pet mine in your honor

>>8707710
Now that's a real pretty dog. Is he a good boy?

>proving you're not all mindless and boring by talking about cats and shirts

kek

>>8707920

What is this, a stage? We're not the chillest general on /lgbt/ for nothing.

>>8707933

Saying you're all chill a lot doesn't actually make it true.

>>8707953

Well, I'd argue with you on that, but I'm just too damn busy being chill.

>>8707716
It's the long tail what does it.

>>8707902
He is a good boy! He's soft and springy and enjoys eating any old garbage he finds in the garden.

>>8707617
>Kitty edition
Where is the last thread?

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Which one passes better as a man?

>>8708003
In ur mum

>>8707670
I prefer dogs tbqh. Wish I could get one but I have to travel too much.

>>8707748
I like that shirt. too bad it would take a good looking guy to pull it off, which I am not.

>>8707958

>trying too hard

>>8708004
Uh what the fuck

>>8708004
Klinefelter's?

>>8708365
I'm not too sure. I looked up "men with wide hips" and found this on a body builder's forum. I can't tell if he has Klinefelter's or is ftm.

>>8708004
>>8708365
>>8708391

>cats and shirts are boring let's criticize the way other people look

Next you can talk about boys and who's more trans than who bunch of boring dumb bitches. This general is garbage.

>>8708522
ok fine let's talk about something new

How do people here like amusement parks? Which ones have you been to? What are your favorite rides?

Anyone here like cooking? What are some of your favorite dishes to make?

What's your gym routine like? What exercises do you recommend for trans men to build broader shoulders? Do you take anything to help, like Celltech or drink protein shakes?

>>8709014
I like to watch people

>>8708365
Not everyone with wide hips is Klinefelter's or androgen insensitive fagg

>>8708003
Raided by enbies and Blanchard trash. Let it die.

>>8707920
This is kinda like the fags whining that the board doesn't have enough gay content, and then not making a fucking thread. What do you want to talk about, faggot?

>>8707900
>hip binder for fat chicks
I can't imagine that wearing that thing wouldn't make me insanely dysphoric. It also probably doesn't make much difference, desu. You can't bind bone to any degree, so does it really solve the problem?

>>8709309
>not repeatedly throwing yourself down the stairs to break both hips and reset them into a narrower shape
Pussy.

>>8709014
I love cooking. My basic go-to dishes are veggie pasta sauces and omelettes; it's super easy but using fresh pasta and veggies (my go to is zucchini, shallot, garlic, carrots and tomato) makes your food feel a ton more luxurious. I also bake bread, occasionally.

A recent thing I did that I loved was a beetroot and black lentil salad with chevre, to go with grilled lamb. Right now I'm trying to decide what to make for brunch for my friends the next week.

Anyway, I feel like my diet is good (especially as I've been cutting down on sweets and processed meat) but I definitely need to get into exercising for strength. What's a good, quick routine just to get into the habit of exercising my upper body and arms? I'm not looking to get swole, just to actually get a habit of working out for a few minutes every day. I walk a lot in my job so I do move, I'm just kinda weak and spaghetti like.

>>8709490
Walk on your hands. You'll be strong and fit in no time.

>>8707688
If anyone does want some of this shit, I've gathered codes. No shill.
>flower - 20% off
>lex19 - free shipping

>>8709718
They sell shoe lifts that add like two inches to your height...I'm not personally that self-conscious about my height, but I feel like a two-inch difference is kinda noticeable. Wouldn't it be MORE embarrassing to take them off and suddenly be two inches shorter?

Do any of you guys actually wear lifts?

>>8710012
Nah, but I wear boots most of the year. Switched to sneakers for summer and my colleague did a double take because he thought I was taller.

With that said, I've had friends who I've known for years be like "wait, you're not taller?", because I'm pretty outgoing and confident and apparently come off as taller than I am, despite being kinda boxy.

>>8710053
Yeah, confidence makes a difference. I know people actually perceive me as shorter than I am because I slouch a bit/wear baggier shirts because no top surgery yet. I'm looking forward to being able to stand up really straight and put my shoulders back, but I'm also worried I won't break the habit of slouching when I get to that point.

>>8710158
I've done a fair bit of community leadership, so I also got a habit of standing on shit to be a bit taller in crowds, which might also explain it somewhat.

Honestly, start working on your posture now, 'cause it won't get any easier to break the habit and you're fucking your back over enough as is.

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Daily reminder to eat healthy and be healthy toward your body. A healthy mind lives in a healthy body. Be good to yourself and think positively about yourself. Maybe treat yourself this week to an italian soda or some clothes you wanted.

>>8710215
>community leadership
What sorts of things?

>>8708255

It was just a joke, chill out.

>>8711282
Thanks, scooby

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this is my boy his name is seth

>>8711947
Floof

>>8711300
Nothing big, just acting shepherd for your local bundle of nerds.

>>8711947
I'll take him.

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>>8711282
The fucks up with this whack shit

>>8711947
Give him a headpat for me.

My doc warned me I might get dryer on T but honestly I just get wetter than I ever did. Welp.

>>8712418
Tmi dude

>>8712425
Welcome to 4chan

>>8712418
>but honestly I just get wetter than I ever did.
Because you're actualizing your orientation. You're gay, right?

>>8712502
Bi. Might be, but it seems more like a physical thing.

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Dangerfloof

>>8709014
>How do people here like amusement parks? Which ones have you been to? What are your favorite rides?
I honestly don't like them too much, mostly because I'm deadly afraid of roller coasters and most amusement parks make them their hugest attractions. Plus I have a history of heart issues in the family and I don't want to die because I got a bit scared in some random ride
>Anyone here like cooking? What are some of your favorite dishes to make?
I really like cooking. Most of the time I make sweet stuff, my favourite to do being cheesecake. My oven broke recently though, and I don't have the money for a new one, so now I can only cook things on the stove, which is a huge bummer. I was thinking of making springrolls soon, I recently bought the springroll sheets, now I just need pork and some veggies. I'll probably make onigiri soon too, but first I want to buy sweet and sour sauce
>the questions about exercising
I have no clue because I'm a lazy slob, not fat though

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Can't wait to have my own shitty apartment and adopt a cat, boys.

>>8713024
>anon gets cat
>cat mauls face
>tfw anon has no face

>>8713032
if the cat clawed my face off it would be doing the world a favor

>>8713032
What have you done to the cat?

>>8713042
Uninvited belly rub

I have a pair of 70 pound, barking, black tongued floofs.

>>8713084
post pics bro

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>>8707617
My papers just got back, i'm going to have to wait 7 months until i get on T ;__;

I have been in the system waiting for 2 years already. Brb kms.

>>8713182
NHS?

>>8713189
The Swedish Version™

>>8713246
I am 18 and I am gonna get a referal to go and see a gender therapist soon cause you need that in Sweden. But I am so scared it will take years, how fucked am I?

>>8712854
Holy shit that's a cute fuzz

>>8713445
Well, i went to Bup for a referral which took ages cause of waiting time, was 15-16 at the time. Then once the bus team had sent the referral to the team at karolinska it took 12 moths of wait. Not shitting you.

Then 4 months of talking to them, then i was a year on hormone blockers cause ???

And now i'm over 18 so i was referred to ANOVA and now after all that shit, they said 7 months until i get T.

Håll om mig ;__;

>>8713246
>>8713445
How does transition work in Sweden?

>>8714379
You get a referral from a psychiatrist or sometimes a GP to a 'gender team'. There is one for adults and one for kids. The waiting lists are anywhere from 9-14 months.

There they kick you around and psychologically grill you and pick appart your life. Like you're a filthy criminal and they are cops interrogating you.

Then after 4-6 months, a team of several doctors decide if you are worthy of a preliminary trans diagnosis.

Then you need to complete a 'real-life experience' which is usually 6-12 months of being completely open and living as the gender you are transitioning to even if you have been out and living as that gender before being in contact with the team. Then and only then, are you allowed T.

Then if you want your gender marker changed or you want to be allowed to have surgery on genitals or ovaries/womb you need to send a request to the state who review your case and make a decision which can take up to one and a half years if you are really unlucky. Usually about 6-7 months though.

And they wonder why trans suicide rates are so damn high kek.

>>8714517
How do the doctors decide if you're trans? Like, what do they look for, what to you need and what disqualifies you?

How does the state make its decision on surgery and gender markers? Shouldn't that be the same decision of the doctors'?

It's depressing.

>>8713445
Fellow FTM in Sweden here. I would say to check out GenderGP if you don't want to be fucked over by years of waiting lists and gatekeeping. Contacted them a few weeks ago and am already getting prescribed on T now. Would recommend 100%.

>>8714363
Might be worth checking out for you too.

>>8712425
How is this information ever gonna be available to us if we don't discuss it? If not an anon forum, then where?

>>8712502
I...doubt that's the reason, anon. Getting drier is "supposed" to happen because you don't have estrogen "maintaining" things anymore, it's like you've entered menopause. That's not really something that's gonna go away just because you're Being Yourself(tm). Sounds like T just doesn't affect him like that as expected.

>>8714517
This is what you get for nationalized health service. Waiting lists, government controlled psychs, and gatekeeping out the wazoo whilst the fed's accountants squeeze every cent they can out of the underfunded public budget.

Meanwhile in Americastan I got my HRT after one session. LOL

>>8714565
The best thing you can do is shut up and keep your head down really :(
You say what you think they want you to say and just let them psycho-analyse you. In general they look for typically male behaviour in my case, female behaviour in MTFs. They take notes about your body language, how you speak, what you wear. Everything.

In a way i guess i'm lucky cause i pass 100% even without T. I can go a somewhat deep voice, i'm quite thin so curves aren't an issue. I honestly think if i was curvy, short or had a high pitched voice that they would take me less seriously. It's fucked up.

Up until 2013 trans people who wanted their gender marker changed were forcefully sterilised. That says a lot.

I think Sweden is very accepting of LGBT peeps, but very conservative still when it comes to the practical.

Also the cringe wave of trans-trenders with long hair and make up has ruined the chances of actually being taken seriously. (FUUCK)

They don't want to pass, they don't want to act male, they aren't male. They want to be trans men who act and look like women?? Anyways that cancer is clogging up the system cause those cases will take double the time. Keep in mind there are only thee major gender 'teams' in the country which are veeeery under-funded. Also, if you don't live near one of the three, you are fucked. No chance of getting help.

The state 'decision' of gender marker change is so damn pointless cause i haven't heard of one case where they have denied someone the change. So you'd think it'd just be easier to accept everyone who has already gotten the trans diagnosis.

Ugh. Well, on the bright side i don't have to pay for health care.

Sorry for ranting, just so tired of all the shit right now.

>>8714609
They are from outside the country I assume and self medding is illegal? I think it was, can they give you the diagnosis for being trans as well or just give you prescription to T? If so maybe I will actually just contact them. Even if it's illegal or not.

>>8714624
Don't cry if you get sick and loose your house cause you can't afford to pay for your medical expenses. Socialism is the bees knees, that is not the problem here. The issue is the old fashioned system.

>be on testosterone for almost 4 years
>be lazy, overweight, and unathletic, so body shape hasn't masculinized much since i started
>look like a 10 year old with short hair, so use long hair as a crutch to hide feminine features
>begin balding rapidly
>i'm only 18
does anyone else know this horrible feel

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>>8714637
Har hört att Norge är typ 99 gånger värre än Sverige dock när det kommer till utredning. Nextlevelgatekeeping.

>>8714628
God I am scared. I don't want it to take forever. I already want to die, and I try to pass the best I can but in the end I can't do much about genetics, I hate the people trying to get the diagnosis just cause it's trendy.

I want to be taken seriously, why does Sweden have to be such a shithole sometimes? Might just self med or end it.

>>8714517
>And they wonder why trans suicide rates are so damn high kek.
Post-transition rates are not significantly different from the general population, and we basically have no data for pre-transition rates since there's no reliable way to identify pre-transition people in the general population. And the study that found that came out of SWEDEN.

Can we please stop repeating /pol/ talking points ourselves? Please?

Also, why tf is a place considered as progressive as Sweden this full of gatekeeping? Some of it I understand, but why would you require any arbitrary amount of RLT by the time you see a doc if you're already full-time? I was fully socially transitioned for years before I managed to get to a doc who would give me T - if he'd told me at that point I needed another year of RLT before he'd prescribe it, I would have thought he was fucking with me for giggles.

>>8714624
Canadian here. What anon is describing is what the system here was like 15 years ago. It's literally nothing like that now.

It's not the socialized medicine, it's being out-of-date.

>>8714624
It's not about he health system. It's about transphobia. If he wants any 'normal' health access he gets it in a very short period of time.

>>8714637
In the UK, but they can diagnose and give you a prescription yes. Since you're getting prescribed by a doctor, it is considered legal too. Here's the website: https://gendergp.co.uk/

>>8714655
Sant

>>8714658
You'll make it through my dude, your waiting time prolly won't be as long as mine cause you won't have to start at the kids one first and then move over like i did. Also the real life period is 'negotiable' so if you really try and express you are suffering, chances are likely they can shorten the time a little. Self medding is a no no seriously you can get in deep shit. Also without a diagnosis you can't get top or bottom surgery if that's what you want

>>8714628
I feel ya man, the transtrenders are fucking it up for all of us. And there just seems to be so many of them here.

>>8714670
Thank you :)

>>8714658
Would not recommend self-medding here for anyone who isn't MtF. Sweden goes full nazi when it comes to steroid regulation. It's very illegal here. If you can even manage to actually get testosterone in the first place, which is very hard, you can still get 2 years for actually using it. Plus you'd have to find a way to do regular
blood checks.

Is it fair to say that most FtMs don't want to have kids? (As in get pregnant, not adopt)

>>8714696
Makes me so fucking angry. It's literally undoing years of hard earned progress. Just as we were sort of starting to be understood and taken seriously aaand nope we're mentally ill freaks again. Fml.

The worst part is that they are doing it in the name of progressiveness whilst unknowingly ruining the level of progressiveness that we've managed to build.

>>8714744
it's hard to speak for all the different people that consider themselves ftm (like the person who was in the news lately for being ftm and giving birth to a baby), but in general, i can't imagine a person with gender dysphoria would be interested in getting pregnant, no.

let people present how they want

>>8714742
Svensk logik
>Vill hjälpa missbrukare
>Kan straffa 2-6 år för innehav
>Arresterar folk som överdoserat och överlevt

>>8714747
Yeah, I can't stand it. Worst is it's not only making us look like attention seeking freaks but also just making our entire identity a joke. When the poster image of trans people are girls with short rainbow hair making no effort to even so much as alter their appearance much less take any hormones, and yet still demand to be seen as male or one of their made up genders, it makes the rest of us a laughing stock. Not to mention their throttling of free speech with all their bullshit pronouns. They are making us look like being transgender is just something we are trying out as a fashion statement. It's incredibly invalidating. Makes me unable to wait until I can pull off going stealth even more as far too often people associate me with those tumblr transtrender shits upon finding out I'm trans.

>>8714797
Exactly! Yum stealth, that's what I want too. To just finally be normal and be done with all the fucking doctors and meetings and psychiatrists and get on with my life away from the madness.

>>8714777
Ikr, mängden mental gymnastik dom måste göra för att nå den slutsatsen. Vad händer med det här land?

>>8714797
>>8714815
don't police others. you wouldn't want them to police you.

>>8714819
Oh shut up.

>>8714815
God, it's gonna be great. I can't wait to finally just be treated as a normal person.

>>8714819
Mate, I ain't "policing" anyone. It's not like I'm advocating for them to be forcibly prevented from doing what they do. If they want to be transtrender retards, I can't stop them but I sure as hell can and will criticize them.

>>8714818
Det dom inte fattar är att hela ens liv står stilla i ett limbo innan man får den hjälp man behöver.

I år nu så har vardagen- varit plugga/bli sönder plockad av läkare. Det är fan inget liv. Och sen ser man typer som ärligt talat älskar att vara 'trans' och nämner det stup i kvarten, utan att anstränga sig det minsta för att passera.

Det är fan inte kul att vara trans. Trans på riktigt. Det är ett jävla levande helvete. Att vakna up varje jävla dag och bara vänta på att några jävla läkare ska göra beslut. Mental tortyr.

>>8714831
You tell em'

New sweanon. I live in Stockholm and from first contacting the youth psychiatrics it took me 1.5yrs to get on T (including the part where they forgot about me for 3mo).

>>8714624
The problem is that the part of the system dealing with trans health is severely underfunded, understaffed, and outdated. My healthcare is still cheap and accessible, and things are getting better as far as trans health goes.

>>8714628
Speaking as someone who was assigned to the NB department, "trans trenders" are not the problem. If they desire transition to the point where they actually end up in the system for TRANSGENDER PEOPLE and not just with a therapist or sexologist at SÖS, they're definitely trans enough.
What you're talking about is the fact that people with less severe and emergent dysphoria are to a wider extent seeking out help from a system that's simply not made to deal with anything but the most desperate cases of transgenderism and hasn't been updated in far too long.

>>8714655
Danskar åker till skåne, skåningar åker till Stockholm.

>>8714658
Take a deep breath, dude. I know you're mad about this, but let's start by not throwing other transfolk under the bus because their experience doesn't look like yours. One of the pros of the swedish system is that if it's just a "trend" thing, you'll grow tired of it really fucking fast.

Have you called them recently? When was your last appointment? Try and give them a call if you haven't and maybe they'll bump you up in the queue.

One thing that sped up the process for me was the fact that I had a very clear understanding of the effects of T, and a very pragmatic approach to any unwanted effects. I also have a good relationship with my family and am emotionally and financially stable, which I'm pretty sure helped as well.

>>8714659
I didn't need any additional RLT, actually. But again, NB division. Also I'd already been out for like four years.

>>8714687
This.

>>8714853
Ja, det är inget liv alls. Inte en enda bra sak med det, så jag kan inte förstå hur alla transtrenders verkligen kan tycka att det är så bra och vill vara trans. Jag skulle göra någonting för att vara normal. Att vara trans har varit ingenting annat än en börda hela mitt liv. Det har gjort mig till att hata mig själv och har get mig social ångest till den punkt där jag måste tvinga mig att ens gå ner till ICA. Varför någon skulle vilja ha det här, jag har ingen aning.

>>8714871
1.5 y??? Wtf you lucky ducky. How was the waiting time? Did you go to the kids one or ANOVA?

>>8714885
Det känns som vi är i exakt samma båt, har du Telegram ? https://telegram.org

>>8714907
Ser ut som det. Har just fått telegram några dagar sedan. Fortfarande inte så bra att använda det, har du ett användarnamn som du kan ge människor eller vad?

>>8714628
>In general they look for typically male behaviour in my case, female behaviour in MTFs. They take notes about your body language, how you speak, what you wear. Everything.
That's very authoritarian. Cis people are never held to such standards, in Sweden even less so I should think.

What counts as male or female behavior? Do things like not being straight or not being hypermasculine for ftms/hyperfeminine for mtfs count against you?

>Up until 2013 trans people who wanted their gender marker changed were forcefully sterilised.
>That says a lot.
Awful. What other terrible treatment is there?

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seth says thank u for the love

>>8714895
BUP -> Sexologist/therapist at SÖS -> met a person from ANOVA & got remitted to them -> met the head of the ickebinära avdelningen a few times -> Karolinska moved and I got lost in the system -> called and met the ickebinära avdelningen like twice -> hormone doctor -> T


Also I wrote a long ass thing to the svenskar som pratar om transtrenders but honestly it boils down to:

>You don't know any of these people, and while your anger and frustration is valid and understandable, taking it out by blaming people who probably share a lot of your troubles but for whatever reason don't deal with it in a way you personally understand or approve of, is shitty. The people at fault are those with power in the system, not some 16yo with confusing genderfeels.

And:

>Being trans sucks, everyone who's trans or percieved as trans knows this. If you're so dedicated to being trans that you're willing to put up with all the bullshit surrounding it, especially if you are frequently percieved as "not trans enough" due to gender expression and not passing, you're probably trans.

And:

>The swedish system is complicated and terrifying and not very helpful in many aspects, and does not encourage people to actually seek help. In a progressive country like Sweden this promotes a political climate where transactivism is largely focused on identity and acceptance of those whose needs aren't dire enough to force their way through a dated and geographically unaccessible system, as opposed to pushing for better medical help, both for those with imminent need for it and those whose dysphoria is more low-key but would still benefit greatly benefit from a medical transition.

>>8714948
I was asked to grade my displeasure with various body parts on a sheet of paper, for example. I refused to do it. I was also asked stuff like if my friends were overwhelmingly HBTQ or if I preferred male or female underwear.

>>8714932
Yes, mitt användarnamn är @jntn7

>>8714948
I was asked if i masturbate and what my sexual preferences were, and that was at the kids unit

>>8714959
>I was asked to grade my displeasure with various body parts on a sheet of paper, for example. I refused to do it.
I wonder how they would grade that. By the sound of it you're lucky to get away with not doing it!

>I was also asked stuff like if my friends were overwhelmingly HBTQ
What's the right answer there?

>or if I preferred male or female underwear.
But if you said female that makes you cis and if you say male it makes you a crossdresser. There's no trans answer?

>>8714977
What were the right answers, if you know? How old were the kids asked that? I dread to think what it's like for mtfs with histories of dressing.

>>8714965
Cool, tror jag hittade dig.

Good evening everyone,
im high and feel so cuddly and cute and stuff u.u

How is everyone doing?

>>8714991
The 'right answer' according to them would be A: Straight (so attraction to women if you're a trans guy) and B: No you don't touch yourself cause the dysphoria is so bad

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>>8714982
The right answer is obviously that these methods are all outdated and that everyone in these systems know it. They expect you to bullshit your way to the "right" answer and honestly I don't think most of them care that much for it. I talked about the fact that while some of my older friends are cishet, I inevitably end up with more queer friends, since they'll be more likely to respect my experience and since most people don't actually have a non-complicated relationship to sexuality and gender hanging out with queer folks you'll be more prone to question yourself. Underwear I explicitly said I didn't see how that was relevant, and that I didn't have a strong preference.


Also have a man with hips I found.

To some of you that are into guys.
Do you want a Chad alpha bf or an average dude is fine?

For some reason it feels like gay FtM are more judgmental than cis gays.
Isn't a bro who's decently attractive and share hobbies with you better than the alpha boipucci slayer Chad bear 9000?

pls respond.

>>8715041
Idk about others, but in my case i think of i find someone i like and the person Likes me, i'll ne happy about it

>>8715041
I'm taken, but I'm open to either. Chads aren't always jackasses, and I've met enough better-than-you wanky nerdboys to last me a lifetime. If you're open minded and curious about the world, got a sense of humor and a kind spirit, and is decently attractive that's fine by me.

With that said, manly men give me all sorts of complexes.

>>8715032
And get it wrong and you get denied HRT for a few years until you go back through the system to try answering again?

>>8715033
>and that everyone in these systems know it. They expect you to bullshit your way to the "right" answer and honestly I don't think most of them care that much for it.
But they'd still gatekeep you if you fail to learn the bullshit their system expects? That's so dystopian, even the people administering the tests not believing them but going through the process anyway despite people's lives being in the balance.

>Underwear I explicitly said I didn't see how that was relevant,
So the 'reject the question' response worked here too. I wonder what the official answer was though.

I can't stand dysphoria anymore, I feel so goddamn bitter.

>>8715065
I'm pretty sure they just look past the "correct" answers of these "tests" is my point. Whether or not you have mainly trans friends won't actually weigh heavily for or against you, they just still have to ask. I've never heard of anyone outright being denied medical help, just that the process might drag on.

Again, mostly everyone is aware that the system is outdated and I definitely feel like large chunks of it are just kinda looked past even when they're brought up.

Ok jag var den som sa att jag var 18 och ska fråga om remiss snart, jag vill helst hamna I Linköping för jag bor I närheten och jag hört väntetiderna är inte lika långa.

Vad ska jag förvänta mig att själva samtalen ska vara om? Jag har läst om en del Anon sa I detta thread men är det något speciellt jag borde veta om innan jag kommer ditt? Jag vill få T so fort som möjligt och om jag vet vad jag kan förvänta mig innan kan nog hjälpa.

>>8715083
That's way less bad!

I wonder if it applies to all questions. An mtf said in Norway she would have been gatekept if she admitted getting aroused by dressing as a woman. But maybe that's just a difference between the countries.

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Should I just say fuck it and order a binder, and hope my family doesn't open the package?

>>8715041
from what ive seen most other ftms have been leaning more toward desperate rather than judgemental
that aside though ideally id want a cute neet twink bf who i can protect

>>8715134
if you get aroused by crossdressing you're not fucking trans, fuck off

>>8714955
Floofy faggot

>>8715223
Gc2b has neuteal packaging

>>8715041
I would date an average guy, yeah. I don't care about appearances too much and people have told me my standards are too low... The only thing I care about is being around someone who's friendly and caring. Those types of people make me happy.

>>8713182
>>8713445
How the fuck do you have the balls to do this? Seriously, how do you muster up enough courage to go see therapists?

>>8715041
As long as things are cool with that person and they aren't horrendously ugly, shit can happen. The average joe still deserves love yo

>>8717286
I sense a lack of balls in this one

>>8717394
Gee, I don't know anon. Where do you think I usually lurk?

>>8717415(You)
That was sarcasm, to clarify.

>>8717286
Difficultly. Took me four years to muster up the courage to do it. Don't be like me, do it now, you'll thank yourself for it. I really regret not doing it sooner.

>>8717415
In your mum's fanny

>>8717286
I came out to my mom and just thought that I didn't want to suffer anymore. It will be hard but if I can do it, so can you. I did come out to my mom via text though and then started talking to a counselor about my trans related issues and shit, but idk, I hope this helps somehow.

>>8717449
It does help, thank you.
>>8717428
What are you, 13?

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I guess I'm late to the party on this one, but I saw The Discriminant getting some traction on here.

They're a cool site definitely, but I've just started Genderless World, a trans-run business which is more or less the same concept, but cheaper, more responsive, and has a wider selection.

It's good for enby ID-ing people for sure, but there's some good stuff for transguys (binders, shoes, accessories) and transgirls too.

Oh, and believe it or not, I only found out about the discriminant as I was halfway through designing the site, because you'd be right to ask.
Anyway, check it out, I like to think there's some cool stuff on there! Also, use code 104CHAN for 10% off.
Or if you guys just wanna tell me to fuck off, go ahead (who the hell advertises on 4chan anyway).

Shill over

>>8717744
Don't all hoodies already fall in the genderless kinda thing?

Guys and girls wear that shit all the time.

>>8717751
You're not wrong, hoodies are pretty much a go-to for a good andro/masc look. The difference here is that there's no "male" and "female" sections - trying to reduce stigma of who can wear what, so it's suited to the whole trans* umbrella (mtf/ftm/enbies/other).

>>8717787
Unisex shit makes it harder to pass

>>8717744
Fuck off shill.

"Oh I bought my dress from a website without gender sections so you can't murder me over it!"

Kill yourself if you think this is progressive in any way.

How do you guys voice train?

>>8715093
Linköping gick fort, efter att de fått in egenremissen tog det ca 2 -3 månader tills jag kom dit. Jag har dock bara varit på det första mötet, så jag kan inte säga så mycket om hur samtalen är.
Har discord om du ändå vill höra om det: pratfallpox#4063

How does being comfortable as a man/being manly feel? I legit wanna know, I'm a repressed MtF and I hate /mtfg/. Sorry if this makes you mad.

>>8718510
I'm being comfortable being me, which happens to be male. Doesnt mean embracing all part of maleness or excluding all female ones. Why are you repressing?

>>8718638
Because I'm a fucking pussy. I was lurking the "coming out stories" thread and it would basically have to be one of those where someone coerces it out of you or you just break down.

>>8718686
If you know the breakdown is coming, wouldn't it be better to just do it before it's too late?

>>8719026
DESU I don't know if the breakdown is coming. I'm fine right now, but since people say this cyclical it might come back. Still, as much as I might be a coward (thus repressing) I also am pretty strong mentally, in the sense that I can just repress it fine (thus no breakdown) so there's no hope for me.

>>8719048
Fuck! The word filter got me.

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>>8718510
>How does being comfortable as a man/being manly feel?
Is it okay if a cis male responds?

I think it takes either a gay man or a wannabe thug to be in love with own masculinity.

I SIMPLY FIND MY MASCULINITY BEARABLE.

There are far worse misfortunes after all...

I guess it helps that I could rather easily be an attractive male if I only took care of myself... except I'm not in love with my masculinity to be bothered.

Being male makes life simpler: I don't need to live like a princess to survive. Manhood is convenient. Men are also more charismatic than women; just look at old men to see what I mean.

One thing, though, which I'm extremely happy about, and which usually comes in package with being male, is HAVING A DICK. In a perfect world, I would be a big, strong, beautiful woman with dick. This is where I diverge from both trans men and trans women, and why I find it hard to identify with their cause. What I wish I was, is healthy and empowering – it's simply the perfect human form without the flaws of gender. What THEY wish they were, is hysterical, mutilating, sexually aversive and socially regressive. Why are they a 100% majority here? Why aren't there ANY people like me (be it male or female) on this sick board? What happened to diversity?

So I'd rather look like a beautiful woman. But, unlike trans people, I'm not going to kill myself if I don't. Killing oneself because of wrong gender is as stupid as killing oneself over not winning the Miss World beauty contest. Beauty isn't everything. Likewise, gender isn't everything. Another good analogy: killing oneself over not being one's preferred race. Who does that?

As far as my brain is concerned, I believe I'm neither gender because my personality doesn't fit stereotypes of neither. I estimate I'm mentally 66% male.

>>8719125
find another thread to post in, comrade

>>8715041
"Average" guys are better; Chads make me so dysphoric it's physically dizzying. I hate it.

Slightly on the pretty side is good (but not a femboy, a normal dude), slightly nerdy is good...mostly it's just important that he takes real interest in the world and likes to discuss ideas.

Some interest in fiction is okay, but I have a roommate basically obsessed with Marvel, Harry Potter, all the typical liberal fandoms, and I've grown to find it childish and wearisome to be so absorbed in fiction. I feel like it's missing the chance to really look at the meaning of your own life, of humanity and history, and try to find your place in the world.

...So that went a bit off topic, but yeah. Any/all of the above, but not Chads.

>>8719125
>Is it okay if a cis male responds?
>So I'd rather look like a beautiful woman.

>>8715595
Kill yourself.

>>8716612
Do does anybody else here wear their binders? I need a new one, so I was looking at their stuff. I'm exactly between a M and a L. I'm hesitant to round up in case the binding sucks and hesitant to round down in case I can't breath in it.

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>>8719125
>What THEY wish they were, is hysterical, mutilating, sexually aversive and socially regressive.
I...what? "Hysterical" and "socially regressive"? It's like an alien time-traveler is visiting 2017 after popping into the Victorian age for a spin and they're trying to sound normal by mimicking SJWs and fucking it up. HOW DO YOU DO, FELLOW HUMANS? THIS IS HOW YOU CONVERSE, YES?

"Mutilating"? What, like we enjoy mutilating other people? Or were you trying to say we're "mutilated"? I guess pic related is "mutilated"?

What does "diversity" have to do with anything? How on earth do you think that being uncomfortable with your biological sex is equivalent to wishing you were a 10/10 supermodel?

Honest to god, you're the dumbest piece of fuck. Congrats on having the stupidest post I've seen in 24 whole hours.

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tfw u want to go to chen for phallo but hes in the process of leaving brownsteincrane to go join whoeverthefuck.jpg so you cant rlly schedule anything with him for a while and you dont know when youll be able too

>>8719359
>find another thread to post in, comrade
1. But that's why I'm here... because people have told me "find another thread".
2. You are trying to force a square peg into a round hole.
3. Thanks but I don't need my own echo chamber. I want to talk to people different than me.
4. Then maybe don't post questions here that are relevant to me.
5. It's rather hard to reply to a post made in one thread in another thread.
6. You didn't say this to the MTF transgender to whom I responded...
7. My cis male feels should be of interest to trans men.

>>8719402
>You're trans.
Trans women reject my transhood on grounds of my autogynephilia, lack of dysphoria and non-binarity. Also I'm not transitioning in any predictable time frame. So I'm de facto male... I'm just not COMPULSIVELY MASCULINE like most other men. Maybe that makes me even more "male" than them, in that my masculinity is not contrived.

>>8719425
Aiden detected

>>8721099
>Trans women reject my transhood on grounds of my autogynephilia, lack of dysphoria and non-binarity

no they just laugh at you

like everyone else ITT is doing

>>8721130
Meanwhile the world outside /lgbt/ laughs at them. So much for their self-awareness.

>>8719576
I do and it's pretty great. I had previously been wearing a peecock Velcro adjustable binder because I was erring on sizing. Didn't realise how much of a tiddysmasher the peecock was until
I put on the gc2b.

>>8721154
tumblr and twatter are not "the world outside"

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>>8721164
Here's a webm that proves you wrong.

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>>8720164
>HOW DO YOU DO, FELLOW HUMANS? THIS IS HOW YOU CONVERSE, YES?
LOL, yes, that's an accurate description of me. Thank you very much.

>Hysterical?
Trans people aren't "trans" for the love of their target gender – they are "trans" for the hatred of their initial gender. (They take pride in NOT being autogynephiles and autoandrophiles.) Their gender identification is obsessive-compulsive. Mind you, unlike my Victorian precursors, I attribute hysteria equally to men and women, so no need to accuse me of misogyny.

>Self-mutilating?
The practice of binding really says it all.

Yes, the man in your picture is mutilated. His frown tells me everything I need to know: he's not here to make you feel good. (Humans in 2017 call it "attitude", right? How silly. I call it "repellent".) He's a fighter, not lover. He's a reduced human – a predator. He's not a liberty fighter either – he's a thug. His "tits" look like two squashed bugs rather than the bountiful milk bags our Creator designed them to be: he's not here to feed you, he's here to loot you. He brings others hunger, pain and slavery. His hair is short like his temper: no sensuality allowed. Oddly enough, he's not actually very masculine: his body is hairless and has curves (owing to muscles). He has some hips and may have big thighs. Overall, he presents a wrong mixture of both genders.

>Socially regressive?
Yes, transhood reinforces antiquated gender norms.

>Honest to god, you're the dumbest piece of fuck. Congrats on having the stupidest post I've seen in 24 whole hours.
You can't be honest.

>>8721174
>le pence!

You're not really helping your case here

>>8719125
Another GAMP (AGP)

What part of NO MAN FANTASIZES ABOUT LOOKING LIKE A GIRL WITH A DICK do you not understand?

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>>8721286
This is the future you chose. Don't shield yourself from the reality.

>>8721294
1. I can't be trans because there are no AGPs on this board and all MTFs deny that AGPs are trans. If anything, MTFs must be autopedophiles, judging by their avatars.

2. Everyone outside your containment board will tell you that penis determines gender. Therefore a woman with dick is a man. Therefore wanting to be one is AAP, not AGP. I think it makes me the first cis male trans man...

What the fuck is happening to this thread? Keep it sane, lads.

>>8721692
Maybe you can help me with >>8718403

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How do I stop hating on MtFs and crossdressers for wasting and not appreciating the male body I long so badly for? Especially crossdressers. I understand why they do what they do, but I can't help but get angry at them for it. How can I be less stupidly judgemental? Some twink trap recently got in my circle of friends and I don't want to be a dick to him just because of this.

>>8721727
Why shouldn't you hate them?

>>8721759
>>8721727

>Be ftm
>Hate mtf for throwing away the body you want

>Be mtf
>Hate ftm for throwing away the body you want

You are allowed to hate, because you get hated for the exact same reasons c:

>>8721727
>>8721759
>>8721767
I thought it was mostly mtfs afflicted with this cancer. It seems like I was wrong.
>>8718403
Look on YouTube or search "ftm voice training." There's already some resources out there.

>>8721767
>hate justifies hate
Yeah, if you're an asshole
Don't be an asshole

>>8722209
>Don't be an asshole
Why not?

>>8722209
I'm almost positive that response is bait, anon. I don't doubt there are people out there who think that way, though.

>>8718403
Gladly hrt deepened my voice enough, so I don't do that. If you're talking about moving from female inflections to male inflections, just hang around guys and eventually you'll pick it up. Otherwise, just look on youtube like >>8722203 said.

>>8722229
Bee nice and people bee nice back

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>>8721767
>>8721727
Why not try to help each other instead though?

Like, some FtM onii-san tries to help his MtF Onee-chan cope with their issues or something.

4chan always has to go to the extremes when it's about social interaction, doesn't it? It's not that hard to not be an autistic angry asshole.

>>8722203
>>8722209

I think it was obvious that my post was dripping with irony, so much that you could easily slip

>>8722239
Why not hate both?

>>8722283
Hating everything will turn you bitter someday..idk if you want that

>>8722295
Too late for that so nothing to lose.

>>8722303
But what so you get out of it? Does it make you happy? So you feel comfortable being yourself?
If Not...why not try something else?
And you dont have to go all treehugging and loving the shit out of everyone.

>>8722239
One of my (two) closest friends is mtf, and unless I didn't catch the hint there's never been mutual envy or hate. If anything I find her way easier to relate to than a cis girl

>>8722313
What do I get out of anything?

>>8722322
What so you get out of nothing?

Either you just do stuff or die..since after our death nobody will remember us anyway in a few years.
Typically people who think that was just dont change anything and cry about their misery every single day.

TL;dr less moping around more having fun.

I'm having such a hard time right now and it's hard to be happy. Only vidya gives me happiness right now, but I can't be playing Dark Souls all day. Wish I could though. I've been trying all the usual shit like eating healthy and exercising and trying to be positive and shit and it's just not helping right now. I don't know what to do anymore.

>>8722457
Go to a shelter and pet animals

>>8722457
Dark souls confirmed for tranny game
I bonded with all of my mtf friends using that game in co-op

>>8722335
Hate is fun.

Is going to the psychologist while transitioning a good idea? I want to, but I'm not particularly good at talking about ny feelings, and I don't like feeling like a freak

>>8724299
Yes but get a good one

I'm a college dropout, borderline disowned/homeless, and being around people makes me a ton more dysphoric than I usually am.

Do I just kill myself? Is there a point? I just don't see why I should suffer for the delusion that things *might* get better someday. Give 3 reasons why using complete sentences and a minimum word count of 300 please.

>>8724401
>I'm a college dropout, borderline disowned/homeless,
How did it happen?

>Do I just kill myself?
Please no.

>>8724419
Let anxiety and depression take over my life.

Family is southern Baptist and I have no money or marketable skills.

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>>8721727
More importantly how do I stop getting jealous of MtFs and crossdressers for wearing female clothes and makeup and shit and still looking like men

>>8721155
So if I'm exactly between measurements, do you think the bigger size should be adequately binding? I'm just hesitant to spend $33US + international shipping for the wrong size.

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>>8721191
Look, I know I'm arguing with the village idiot here. But I can't help it; every sentence of this beautiful post is sped as fuck.

>Trans people aren't "trans" for the love of their target gender – they are "trans" for the hatred of their initial gender.
>Let me tell you about yourself; I'm kind of an expert.

>Their gender identification is obsessive-compulsive.
That's really not what that term means.

>so no need to accuse me of misogyny
That's hardly the whole problem with you unironically using that term to begin with.

>The practice of binding really says it all.
It's not mutilation.

>His frown
You have such a strange grasp of the basic meaning of so many words that I'm inclined to ask if English is your native language.

He's not frowning - that's not even an emotionally neutral frown of concentration. Frowning involves drawing your eyebrows together and down - not up. I'm not saying this to be cutting or nasty, but something is wrong with you if you misread facial expressions this badly. Maybe literal autism. I would get evaluated for that.

>He's a fighter, not lover. He's a reduced human – a predator.
>the evolutionary male role is subhuman

>His "tits"
He doesn't have any.

>bountiful milk bags
Bet you're a real lady-killer.

>he's not here to feed you, he's here to loot you.
I'm a /pol/ack, and I'm not this racist.

>Oddly enough, he's not actually very masculine
Greek gods confirmed for girly men.

>Overall, he presents a wrong mixture of both genders.
Dickgirls. Dickgirls are the correct mix. Cuntboys are out of season.

>Yes, transhood reinforces antiquated gender norms.
Darn that evolution and people not liking dickgirls.

Also, I don't know how you could look at 80% of Tumblr trannies and say this with a straight face.

>You can't be honest.
Believe me, I meant it true.

>>8724401
Go out with a boom, go do drugs in Mexico until you either die from it or change your mind

>>8724714
I'd probably end up being kidnapped and sold into human trafficking if I did that.

>>8724900
A creative way to give your life a bit of spice

>>8724447
At the measuring page they have a message service where you can ask them for advice. If their adviced size is off they send you a new binder for free.

>>8725697

>>8721191
>His frown tells me everything I need to know
That's not a frown, you ode to autism.

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>>8725967
>you ode to autism

>>8724401
I was like you once. I got a job and started pulling my shit together and now I'm going back to school in the trades. It can be done, depression feeds on the unoccupied mind

>>8722457
>tfw too bad for dark souls and don't want to co-op because they'd probably ask to vc

>>8717744
Sounds nice family I'll check it out sometime. Thanks for the code too.

>>8727395
I'd co-op with you and would be fine without vc; I think it's fun to try and communicate using the gestures.

Tips for upping my sexual dominance game, with and without strapon?

>>8728627
Step 1. Be attractive
Step 2. Don't be unattractive

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>the no ftm bf

do like, any ftm dudes like mtf girls
I love dudes but I really just am not a fan of dating cis people

>>8728671
>that wispy pedostache

kek

>>8728711
are you saying He doesn't pass

>>8728735
Looks like a girl with an overactive thyroid

>>8728754
That's actually me and I'm a cis male ._.

>>8728760
LMAO, this board. So willing to jump on "non-passers" that they'll rush to proclaim cis people "obviously" non-passing. I never fail to get a kick out of the idiocy.

You're not bad-looking at all, but it WOULD help to be really clean-shaven. It looks sharp.

Guys, I need help. This might be a long-shot, but does anyone know of a type of binder that doesn't put too much pressure on your armpits? Maybe something that's low-cut in the armpit area?

I think I might have cat scratch fever, and the inflamed lymph node in my right armpit is KILLING me, it hurts so much to bind even with a ton of Tylenol and icing it. I've read that it can take "two to four months" to go down(!!). I'm gonna go crazy with my armpit being on fire at the edge of my binder for weeks on end.

>>8728791
I'm actually on estrogen so I try to. Distract from my breasts with what facial hair I can grow ._.

>>8728791
>LMAO

this is an ftm passing thread
why are cis males posting here?

>>8728864
I'm a chaser duh

Also it's a general not a rate thread

>>8728812
>>8728760
>cis male
>on estrogen
m8....

>>8728671
>>8728699
>>8728760
>>8728812
>>8728924
samefag

also pathetic, this is not how you get a man in your life gurl.

>>8728924
are you currently taking female hormones?
why don't you have a beard if you are over 18?

Alright guys I have a question for you:

I'm a cis male teacher (high school) and I have a student that I am like 97% positive is a young transmale. When I called out the roster I called out his rather feminine name and he seemed pretty upset by this and asked me to call him by a masculine name. He wears lots of baggy clothes and has very short hair among other things.

I don't want to assume he's trans but I also want to make sure I call him the pronoun he prefers. Do I just... ask him after class, ask the administration, what? I don't want to be barking up the wrong tree.

>>8729702
Leave it up to him to tell you, but indicate in some way that he can tell you. Something like "by the way, if any of you have any different name or pronouns you'd prefer I use, feel free to shoot me an e-mail or tell me privately. I care about making sure you feel comfortable and safe."

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>>8728791
seriously they pick out the stupidest shit nobody even notices. wahh you're non-passing I spent 40 minutes analyzing your brow ridge with a trained neural network and it's 78% too small.

>>8729702
That sounds like a sure enough thing to me that I would have just gone with "he," especially if he seemed distressed at the girly name. I would imagine most dykes wouldn't be truly upset. "Is it he/him?" asked privately might be the only thing I'd do.

It is sure a sign of the times that anyone is here asking us, though. My high school report cards are hilarious - some of my teachers using "he," some using "she," and some constructing all their comments in such a way as to completely avoid using a personal pronoun at all. It fucking killed me to imagine them struggling to type that shit up without ever using "he" or "she." You'd think it would have been easier to ask me.

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>>8729745
Is that image the original of this? Or are there other versions?

Being on this board too much really does your head in, and is not any good for trans people. The brow ridge thing - I knew about the sex differences, but didn't think it mattered to FtMs so much as hairline. But now I've heard about them so much it's hard not to stare at cis guy's foreheads trying to judge how much bigger they are.

That guy's about the same as me (proportionately) in your pic, for example. It's probably sad that I know that.

>>8729702
You should drop a general hint to the class as I think he needs to tell you himself. Try to sound supportive, like this:
>hey, if any of you need to tell me something I want you all to know that I'm very accepting.
Or something like it. Don't know if that invites other problems, however. I would hope that students wouldn't see it as you offering to be their personal therapist.

>>8728173
Post steam? Won't be on until fri or sat though

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>>8729745
Seriously. The brain makes decisions like gender at a glance on a subliminal level...

Kinda sad no one seems to realize the role lighting and contouring plays

>>8730075
LOL @ the explanation here being "contrast."

It's not contrast. It's skin color. As it says, lighter skin is CAUSING the contrast, but it's not the contrast that's valued. It's the lighter skin, which is almost universally perceived as more feminine. Greater fat deposits beneath the skin reflect more light, making females lighter-skinned than males on average in 90%+ of ethnicities on the planet. (The exceptions are mostly hunter-gatherer tribes where darker-skinned women are preferred because they read as "tanned," i.e. they spend more time gathering food.)

This is why, even though globalism is spreading non-white people throughout the West, anthropologists have found that the planet's OVERALL skin tone is getting lighter by the decade. Sexual selection: men (planet-wide) go for women lighter than them, and produce lighter children, decade after decade.

This is all relative (e.g., it's the case WITHIN ethnicities/races as well as between them), so it's not, say, a preference for whites specifically. Just "lighter," anyone lighter than the man looking.

But the author of this bit clearly knew not to say that, lest they get accused of racism. IT'S CONTRAST, GUYS. Dead funny.

>>8730138
But it is literally just a contrast change in that photo. What matters is the value difference between the general skin tone and the features. Hence why make-up increases differentiation through pigments to the lips, eyes, brows, and cheek bones.

And that's with every skin tone.

>being this /pol/locked

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>>8730294
Forgot this

>>8728760
Aaaww

>>8728802
Pics. Now.

>/mtfg/ is literally all trips
>/ftmg/ doesn't have a trip in site
at least you're all trutrans

Quick question for the guys here:
How do you people react to you presenting online? Like, if you tell people you're ftm online, how do you get treated for it?

I'm mtf and every time anyone finds out I'm trans I start getting guys and girls misgendering me and *subtly* commenting on how they dislike trannies and it's like. Fuck this.

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>>8730664
>telling people online that you're trans
Totally defeats the best part of the internet for me. On the internet nobody knows you have a vagina

>>8730821
Mtf here

On the internet everyone assumes you have a dick, especially if you say you're a girl

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>>8730821

>>8707670
Love 'em! Had a beautiful rescue kitty for almost 6 years that I lost in december due to an incurable illness. Still miss her so much... Now I'm a foster home, currently have a feral boy that's been living with me for 5 months. I'm sad that he still doesn't like to be petted, but he's very cute and likes to play and gives me company. Moving to a new house soon and he'll go on to another foster home (which has a female cat which is great, cause he misses the company of other cats and I think it will help his socialization with humans too). But I will have a new foster kitty when I'm settled in and I hope one day I'll just fall in love with one again and adopt it as my own~

>>8730001
Sure
http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198138450976

So I work with a bunch of taxi drivers (customer service/driver service kinda), I pass well enough to go stealth among people who aren't well read on LGBTQ stuff, and can thus go stealth at work. Apparently, though, one of my coworkers (who knows bc she has access to identification papers or whatever) has been telling some of the drivers I'm trans.

With that said... they are not at all knowledgeble in this stuff, so now I have like 20 turkish old men asking me why I want to be a girl or what my new girl name is going to be.

>>8731425
if you live anywhere with decent employment law that should be very illegal

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I am mtf and just trying to understand so pls no bully

How do two ftms have sex?

>>8731456
Using a unicorn and the music from witcher 3

>>8731456
they wrestle for dominance and the winner gets to top

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>>8731522
Top with what?
I would assume using their vagina would induce dysphoria

>>8731568
Tiny happysnakes

>>8731456
Well, it can be different for different people. Personally, I don't like using my vagina at all for sexual activities, so I have a dildo called the Fuze Ultra that has a base meant to stimulate the wearer. Love it for a quick wank and I feel very connected with it. Hasn't used it with a partner yet, but probably need to invest in a proper harness for that (when I wank I just pull the elastic of my underwear down to hold it in place)

>>8731456
>>8731606
I just realized you said "two FtM's"... So well, some FtM's don't mind penetration either vaginally or anally (I personally don't like either). Dildo's/prosthetic gets the job done in most cases. And then there's oral and handjobs and blah, blah, it's not rocket science.

>>8731568
>penetratees can't top

>>8731425
>so now I have like 20 turkish old men asking me why I want to be a girl or what my new girl name is going to be.
lel

But for real, fuck your co-worker

>>8731606
>Fuze Ultra
Damn, that looks pretty good. Sick of people recommending the fucking feeldoe, do not want.

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>>8731617

That's a power bottom

>>8731653
I actually had a Feeldoe before I found the Fuze. Goddamnpieceoftrash ended up in the bin! Heavy, hard silicone and painful as EFF to pull that big bulb out of the vag (not to mention my dysphoria made the whole ordeal even worse). Tried using it a few times, but ended up hating it, wasted money. The Fuze is my go-to willy now!

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>>8731425
I have a similar problem (mtf) where I try to just hide what's going on and everyone that is super LGBT literate in sf thinks I'm an ftm

Which mostly sucks because I'm treated like I'm going to break or don't know what I'm talking about half the time now

>>8731729
>>8731658
>>8731617

This is kinda hot btw >.>

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>>8732123
>>8730664
mtfs invading to blogpost

>>8732142
crossposting from /r9k/

>>8732142
Put your bfs in the bag and no one gets hurt

>>8732153
What if I am the bf

>>8732142
So like I'm detrasitioning from being a legal female to living as a male while taking estrogen

Isn't that technically ftm? Do you need a vagina to be ftm? Really makes you think

>>8732158
>while taking estrogen

>>8732156
Well I mean

I thought this would be harder

>>8732168
Hormones don't matter

Ftm is technically just a gender change, and I can pass as a guy already so I don't see the relevance

>>8732123
I love girls in suits!

>>8732180
U never passed as female tho

>>8732192
>mtf trolling in a ftm thread
Oh sweetheart you need a break

>>8732201
Post boiboobs

>>8732150
>tfw no gf

ey question
first time buying a "name brand" binder (underworks)
was a bitch to get on but it gets me completely flat
will it stretch out a bit after some wearing or should i return and size up?

>>8734291
It stretches out a bit, but if you have pain/soreness/trouble breathing, consider a size up. Underworks are usually tough to put on the first couple of times then wear out a bit (putting them through the wash can restore them a bit).

You sure you measured correctly? If so you should be fine. Just don't wear it longer than 8 hours or so for a while.

Tfw no bf(male)

>>8734404
no major pain/soreness/etc yet, just a tad tight

am broke and just moved out on my own so i actually didnt even measure, just guessed since i didnt have a tape measure (oops)

>>8730294
>And that's with every skin tone.
Literally the point. Again, no, it's NOT """contrast""" - it's what the contrast causes, i.e. the perception of lighter skin.

>thinking everything is /pol/

Read it again, genius.

>>8730590
Why exactly do you want pics of a red, swollen lump in my armpit?

>>8734843
Scientific curiosity

>ftms complain about tfw no gf
>ftms refuse to date mtfs and call us ugly freaks
>ftms complain about tfw no bf
>don't date other ftms

Ahhhhh it's painful to watch
Is there anyone here who would be open to dating another trans person?
If not, why???

>>8735152
At least mtfs recognize how worthless we are and date chasers (or ftms) because we can't get real men and each other because we can't get real women.

>>8735169
>>8732220

>>8734843
Fapping

>>8735152
I like women with vaginas, sorry. It's not that I don't see mtfs as women, I just don't like dick.

>>8735152
I've never met another trans person IRL who wasn't insufferable

>>8735538
>>8735599

I think this is just more systemic internalized transphobia, which I see a lot of in transmen, you're basically the biscum of being transgender.

>fake it in highschool and college for attention
>most of the time when you are actually being bi you're invisible

Seriously the worst desu

What's for next edition?

>you will always be the de facto feminine partner in a relationship with a cis guy
Feels bad man

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>>8738007
Not if you get with a wimpy enough cis guy but that causes problems all its own. I dated a chemistry major shelteted manchild for a while, and enjoyed being the dominant one/decison maker but after a while having to run the show all the time got exhausting.

>>8737721
Gun edition

>>8738169
What specifically exhausted you about it? I don't wanna be that guy, but I'm worried I might be.

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Before thread dies here's my little puss puss

>>8737721
hot girlfriends

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>>8721130
>>Trans women deny my transhood on grounds of my autogynephilia, lack of dysphoria and non-binarity
>no
/lgbt/: trannies contradicting trannies and never learning.

>>8738507
>i determine my worldview from blurry snips on 4chan

that's nice "dear"

>>8738169
>but after a while having to run the show all the time got exhausting.
Yeah who wants to be a guy? It's nice to roleplay for a while though.

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>>8729833
>that picture
That's not "femininity and masculinity", that's "dumb and dumber". Literally.

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>>8738187
Having to deal with someone who is incapable of dealing with the real world due to a mixture of anxiety brought on by bring oversheltered and the end results of being doted on by parents is hard. Basically I just got annoyed with trying to get this guy to try and function like an adult. He also wasn't working. We had a good dynamic going but it got overshadowed by his incompetence and my lack of patience.
>>8738541
>mfw

>>8738169
Cis male trans girl here

That's what fucking be a dude in the relationship is holy shit, yes it's terrible, it's double terrible after having female privilege and getting taken care of which is amazing. But you need to embrace that or you just are going to have to be the girl, someone needs to man up

>>8738746

Bro are you me? I dated a guy like that for half a year. Broke it off in January, never felt more free in my life. I was weak and his online persona who was charming af, but every time we would be together his sheltered persona would be there instead. Got too tired of being the ring leader. Feels bad until you realize you were better off from the beginning.

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>>8738525
>blurry snips on 4chan
Ah, so that's what prevented you from changing your mind! Here is an unblurred thumbnail version of the same "snip" that will hopefully meet the strict requirements of the non-autistic reader of 4chan.

>>8738525
I showed you an unblurred thumbnail.
Please, determine your worldview.

Are there some ways to hide small breasts? Honestly I'm a degenerate mtf tranner, but I just don't want my parents to find out about my HRT too soon. Do you recommend some bras or bandages? But in case of small A-cup sized breasts wouldn't they only increase the bulge?

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>>8725967
>>8724573
>>8726146
>not a frown
So what's the non-autistic term for this facial expression?

>>8739014
sports bra homie

>>8739095
Thanks darling :^), I'll look into that. Btw I just want to tell you that I like you, because you tend to be less dramatic than most trans girls, yet still relatable. We should keep together and not make any divisions.

>>8739114
You're so sweet, honey.

>>8738897
It's so weird hearing like cis female privilege coming from guys, like saying you dropped someone for making you be a guy is not something I've heard in 30 years of being one from any male.

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>>8739031

In what world is that remotely like a frown? It's also nothing like the expression on the magazine cover.

>>8739014
Do NOT bind with ace bandages
Also be careful, anything more intense than a sports bra might smush your titties and make em not grow or saggy

>>8739289
There's a difference between being the powerhouse of a relationship where both are contributing and holding someone's hand while they put very little effort into life in general. You're making this out to be something it's not.
>>8738897
I miss the intimacy sometimes but at least my time isn't dominated by someone who just wanted to sit inside all day.

>>8739599
That's like the definition of fem guys and girls in genral though, ive seriously dated like... 15 people, never saw someone who had their shit together, no woman in my family ever did until they divorced and got their husbands money.

It doesn't even register to me to complain about it, because my only shot at not dealing with that is finding a 1%er or a masc guy who'll basically treat me like his girlfriend.

>>8738553
I...what? It's a picture that's been altered to be "ugly" vs. "Chad." Can you even Google, m8?

>>8739031
idk, he's putting on a "sad," expression really badly? I don't think there's a name for that. That's also not a frown, though. FYI, "frown" and "scowl" usually mean the same thing. Is that a "scowl"? No. Again, I think the key is in the eyebrows - they look again here like they're going up. Compare to >>8739397's pic. That's actually a frown, although also put-on by the actor in question. (If you're not familiar with that TV show, he's basically putting on a really exaggerated frown.)

>>8731658
>power bottom
So is a domme who is riding the hollow dildo placed over the chastity cage containing the cock of her sub still a power bottom, or can we break away from the fucking anatomy at that point? Just checking.

>>8735152
I like dick.
I don't like MtFs. I tried really hard at that unity shit, but I haven't been able to stand a single one of you except maybe Blaire White.

>>8737351
>innate genital preferences are transphobia
...See? MtFs are cancer.

>>8738007
Why is anyone "the feminine one," though?

>>8739289
Horseshit. Go to any men's forum and there will be dudes complaining about wives/gfs they've had for years being basically overgrown six-year-olds who demand endless attention/money/whathaveyou without giving back much in return.

It's one thing not to expect to be equals with your partner, and another thing to have them not be capable of the basics of adulthood.

Maybe you could actually have a conversation with a trans person if you didn't spend the entire time trying to "gotcha" them.

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