zinnia jones

aside from being absolutely insufferable and the most stereotypical BPD batshit entitled SJW tranny possible?

no. I actually find her porn kind of hot, so I follow her for that and pretend she isn't an utter tool in all other ways

>>8704748
no

>>8704776

I like scrolling through her porn twitter

>huge tentacle creampie
>'I love lube dripping out my ass'
>more ass fucking
>Gender Analysis dysphoria vs Disassociation

never fails to make me chuckle

weirdly qt in that picture desu

>>8704748
Trans advocates only "do wrong" to the posters here if they're straight trans women, and not some sort of delusional man who likes to pretend that their fad-hopping is somehow "traditionalist". Transbians look at straight trans women as some sort of lower caste other that "have a place" so of course Zinnia's critiques russle the straight male-identified transbians here angwy for the obvious reasons.

>>8704829

idk what this means

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>>8704851
Idk how right it is, I just saw that she was on tv talking about straight manXtrans woman dating etiquette and figured that was what she was about

Idk who she is

>>8704748
Didn't she lie about Blanchardianism?

>>8704776
she actually does a lot of harm sabotaging trans acceptance by ridiculous claims like shaming people for having sexual orientation

>>8704748
No. Zinnia is a good one who makes us look actually good.

>>8704876
She does not. She is academic and a bit autistic. Meaning she over explains and asshole have a lot of material to cherry pick out of context quotes to hurt her

>>8704921

This is a good point, quote miners are the worst and aren't looking for meaningful engagement just make ppl look bad. It's one of the reasons tweet storms are so bad too, is people will chop up a whole thread so only small fractions of an idea are present, spread that and it's just misinformation at that point, especially with added 'commentary' that amounts to '(s)he's retarded'

>>8704921
She is not dumb, she should understand that shaming people for natural sexual attraction will only cause pushback and harm trans acceptance. Think of what result would shaming lesbians for not wanting a dick give - yeah, it would only make them rightfully angry and resentful. She knows that but she doesn't care, she want to attack social norms or maybe only does that for attention - either way its vain and harmful to everyone else.
And of course media like freaking Fox picked it up for scandal value and more views. Such activists are great only for demonizing LGBT in public view.

>>8704994

Tucker Carlson could end up demonizing ANY activist no matter how respectable they are

Zinnia is our sister. Zinnia is good.

Zinnia did nothing wrong. All she did was suggest ways for straight men to get accustomed to having pre/non-op trans women partners, and mostly flippantly because she was being brigaded against by an opportunist (Laci Green, who has no beliefs but whatever makes her money).

She's exactly what we need. She is intelligently, aggressively pro-trans and not at all apologetic about it. She's not afraid to say lesbians and straight men should be OK with dick, and gays and straight women OK with vagina. She's not afraid to suggest that we shouldn't have to disclose we're trans to someone. Zinnia's part of a new wave of trans activists that aren't afraid to call out transphobes on their shit and promote trans people as viable (sex) partners instead of being jokes. She is literally breaking down barriers.

Her amateur photos+videos are fantastic, too--it's all accessible stuff. She's what a real trans woman looks like, not an amalgamation of plastic surgery. I always suggest my partners look at her porn before they look at anything else. (But not before getting woke af reading her articles)

>>8705077
>She's not afraid to say lesbians and straight men should be OK with dick, and gays and straight women OK with vagina

annnnndd that's really not OK. It's coercive and dishonest.

>>8705077
>Zinnia did nothing wrong. All she did was suggest ways for straight men to get accustomed to having pre/non-op trans women partners
>She's not afraid to say lesbians and straight men should be OK with dick, and gays and straight women OK with vagina.

uhhhhhhhhhhh

no

>>8705077

Gender Analysis is such a good blog, she has tons of citations and does a lot of research, and makes that all accessible. You really don't see that w/ youtube personalities

>>8705083

My personal big gripe, but to be fair Laci Green (massive critic of her), says similiar things about sex on a period and anal (sending a kid a 'how to guide' after writing in about her boyfriend pressuring her into doing anal)

>>8705083
Just saying people should do something is never coercive. It is an opinion.

>>8704829
Zinnia is a lesbian, I think.

>>8705096
Lacy geeen is an opportunist who is stealing Blair whites Schtick and grudge against zinnia because Blair failed.

Zinnia is our sister. She does care and absolutely does her best.

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>>8705091

this guy has a point, also if you fall in love w/ a trans girl you SHOULD work over weird hangups about it. Zinnia did NOT make it clear what the context was in her infamous 'rub her dick and balls all over your face' tweet, but (tucker carlson) Laci was dishonest, most ppl are dishonest about it, and this tweet was quote mined

I stay away from political yt and twitter, so no comment there, but I can say Gender Analysis is a fantastic blog.

I think she's /ourgirl/

>>8705124

she partially reversed course on the trans military ban, did a total 180 on the google manifesto, and started implying men w/ trans women were gay w/ the same logic her bf has consistently used. And she's really unkwoledgeable on the varieties of feminism, thinks radfems and libfems are all there are? That's silly especially since she understands neither

>>8704870
Kek, lie how? You dumb motherfuckers can't keep anything to do with it straight yourselves.

>>8705112
different anon here, you do agree that having genital preference in regards to dating doesn't make you transphobic right?

>>8705151

We have no central ideology or set of beliefs to follow so categorically; no

>>8704913
Yeah, that's why she has her own thread at Kiwi Farms, right? She's one of the good ones.

Please, she's a "cotton ceiling"-esque nutter.

>>8704921
>She does not.
Wrong >>8704870

>>8705112

It is coercive, because it is an assertive statement of the negative. The roots of the word are in the Old English Sceold, past tense of Sceal or 'Shall'. It means that whatever is being suggested is something you need to have already done, it is not a optional imperative like 'could' or 'would'. It is also the root of the root 'scold' saying someone 'should do' something is almost literally a scolding. It directly implies they have made a mistake and you are telling them how to correct it.

The level of coercion depends on the level of power disparity involved. Is this case it's low, since twitter is bullshit but it is there. She has all but said, "you are a bad person if you do not accept genitals you don't like."

which is also bullshit. this is science.

>>8704748

>she

>>8705161
?

>>8705083
Honestly, at this point, who really gives a fuck? If we don't assert ourselves, we're always going to be a joke. We are the fuck out there, we are desired by men and women, and we shouldn't kowtow and "be nice" because that doesn't get anyone anywhere.

>>8704994
>Think of what result would shaming lesbians for not wanting a dick give - yeah, it would only make them rightfully angry and resentful.

The point is #NotAllDicks - maybe some people (maybe even Zinnia herself) are only attracted to feminine dicks, and maybe many more could be if they tried.

Only radfem polilez turbo-terfs believe their orientation is a choice and therefore saying they might have horizons they are unaware of is shitting on that choice. Everyone else is attracted to whatever they're actually attracted to and might not even know if they've never so much as looked.

>>8705167
sure but insisting that you do if you don't actually have a solid basis for knowing might be.

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>>8704748
Just for starters - defended hons

https://twitter.com/ZJemptv/status/895701697082740737

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>>8705585
>being reasonable and respectful will make us a joke
>telling straight guys they're transphobic for not wanting to suck our girlcocks won't

She said she chose to be trans.

>>8706322

source?

>>8706322
So? Everybody did, just most aren't self-aware enough to admit it.

>>8705673
Are you happy to be windowdressing for the rest of your life? Sitting back and never trying to get what you want? So it's coercive, who gives a fuck. So is flirting, when you break it down.

Tbf I've never been in a situation where I've had to deal with this IRL, I always disclose and am 100% sure everything will go well (aka I won't get hurt) before doing anything but still. You don't get what you want by just hoping for it.

>>8704748
literally who

I think she's great. The perfect balance of academic rigour, relatability and ability to insert extremely large objects into herself.

Can someone give me a quick rundown on the latest developments with Zinnia, Blaire and Laci? Cause after reading this thread, I'm confused af.

>>8704748
She exists. Thats enough

>>8706509
Yes i'm happy, since "trying to get what you want" in this case means going after people who aren't attracted to me and calling them transphobic for not liking me... Which isn't what I want. There are loads of people who don't need to be coerced or handheld into liking me. And that number will probably increase with trans acceptance, which will be in spite of the rapey sjw trannies making us look like a joke, not because of them.

How did she become so fucking ugly?

>>8705096
>My personal big gripe, but to be fair Laci Green (massive critic of her), says similiar things about sex on a period and anal (sending a kid a 'how to guide' after writing in about her boyfriend pressuring her into doing anal)

I saw a video of her explaining anal a few years ago, and the most emphasised message I got from it was "Everyone CAN enjoy it, that doesn't mean everyone WILL or SHOULD." I watched her shit a lot when I was a repressed teenager specifically because her demeanour was so accomodating to people who wanted nothing to do with what she was talking about. And whether others feel she succeeds at that, it's a very conscious effort on her part as a former repressed prude herself.

Conversely, Zinnia suggested that straight men who aren't okay with dick "work through" it by having their trans gf rub her balls on their faces.

Granted, one was an organised video and the other was a barrage of trolly, hopefully drunk tweets and I'm not very familiar with Zinnia's videos but I'm just saying.

>>8705141

I love how people who jump in to defend mad fuckers like Riley and Zinnia always completely disregard what the two were saying and how they were saying it, and completely reframe it as something totally innocent.
Yes, having a comfortable think about what one's comfortable with sexually, and the reasons behind that, is completely reasonable. The reason people flipped out at Riley and Zinnia is because they made statements in this vague area in a completely unreasonable manner. It didn't just happen at random.

>>8707885
>>8707893
Ah yes. The totally unreasonable "Trans women are women" vs the reasonable "Nazi Supermen are our superiors"

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>>8707864
SJW politics...and hair dye.

>>8707903
...Should I even dignify this with a 'wut'?

>>8704748
I'm trying to show her how the two-type typology is right. Slowly but surely making progress :D

>>8704776
link 2 porn?

>>8707976

@SatanaKennedy on twitter

>>8705585
I've seen the opposite actually come into play. If you look and act like a normal girl, and you then tell people you're trans, there might be an asshole or two, but you'll generally get a better reaction (less liars and overreacting shits) than if you're a total hon.

>>8707966
>making progress
Have you followed her before? She wrote a lot of stuff about why it makes no sense.

>>8707966
>two-type typology

first of all: what is two type typology?

>>8704748
did she start looking like she actually taking HRT or does she still look the same as before it?

>>8708616
The idea that there are two valid distinct kinds of transwomen rather than the AAA identity-approved experience and everyone else is unique with no meaningful shared anything.

SJWs hate it mainly because of association with Blanchard.

>>8708661

the two types being agp and non-agp?

>>8708669
That's what Blanchard calls one of them

>>8708672

so what's the one that's not-agp?

>>8708691
HSTS

>>8708704

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_transsexual

does that mean all transbians and bi trans women are agp according to this model? I never thought of myself as agp but I do have some attraction towards women

>>8708709
Yes but blanchard classification is not the only two-type classification out there

The mainstream science is simply early vs late onset which allow some HSTS-like transbians and AGP-like straight transwomen

she didn't shallow the whole 19 inches jajajajajajhajajhajhaujajajhajhajbauk njfk

>>8707885
>Conversely, Zinnia suggested that straight men who aren't okay with dick "work through" it by having their trans gf rub her balls on their faces.
Tell me you are not serious. TELL ME.

This kind of junk is enough to make me start buying into that stupid Blanchardianism spiel. Almost.

>>8708716

so what's the real difference between agp and hsts in mainstream science then?

>>8708724
There was context but technically that was a tweet she posted. Read the Playboy article though.

>>8708731

I really don't wanna be considered agp, i figured i was trans at 17, but stongly suspected at 16 (and had plenty of warning signs before then). I was only attracted to men for a long time, once I started hormones (last year) my body started feeling feminine enough i could imagine being intimate with a women without being incredibly dysphoric. i don't think thats agp but i really dont wannt be agp. im still more attracted to men than women

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>>8708731
tldr
>early onset
>gnc in childhood, discomfort starts early and quickly intensifies at onset of puberty
>late onset
>not gnc or only mildly, discomfort might start early or during puberty but tends to grow slowly overtime

If you want to go by archetypes it's i knew at 3 vs. egg

>>8708793
>>8708793
I forgot to add
>so what's the real difference between agp and hsts in mainstream science then?
>agp and hsts
This is not the same as agp/hsts, majority of early onset are HSTS and majority of late onset are AGP w/ agp arousal, but they are separate concepts so you can be late onset and HSTS and in fact it's not uncommon especially in FtM (someone who was gnc in childhood but had no gender dysphoria before puberty is still late onset)

They base the types on the same archetypes however they split it differently, mainstream sexuology based on age of onset and gender nonconformity and blanchard based on orientation, they're two different typologies

>>8708793
This is not an accurate summary of that text. While early onsets may intensify with puberty, some with have their symptoms dissipate with puberty and come back later (quote on quote "starts in childhood and continues onto adolescence and adulthood; or, there is an intermittent period in which the gender dysphoria desists and these individuals self-identify as gay or homosexual, followed by recurrence of gender dysphoria")

>>8709158
Yeah I did it really sloppily I admit

>>8708731
Mainstream science has found there to be no clinic advantage in distinguishing trans women by sexual orientation. It's as scientifically valid as personality traits being predicted by birth month.

https://www.apa.org/practice/guidelines/transgender.pdf

>>8708793
>>8709085
Not this poster but I'd like to emphasize that the mainstream view does not accept Blanchard's claims as to the cause of gender dysphoria, despite making the similar (and factual) association between age of onset, orientation and autogynephilic arousal. That is, it does not speculate that early onset transsexuals feel dysphoria because society rejects them as men and late onset transsexuals feel dysphoria as an outgrowth of a paraphilia.

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>>8709085
Also they seem to drift apart more with time, example a study from 2011, over a half of early-onset would be AGP by Blanchard standards

https://scihub.cc/https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21143416

They used a slightly looser criteria for childhood GD however there is a general trend for more transbians to present as early onset even if you include visible gnc behavior


>>8709626
Yeah also this
This board often uses AGP/HSTS as a shorthand for presentation types but in Blanchard's theory they are linked to etiology

>>8709509
There's some evidence in brain imagining studies but very little
Most only use straight subjects or don't asses orientation (or compare lesbians to straight men and straight women)

I really wish someone made a big study with transsexuals of both genders, assessed a bunch of traits like orientation and age of onset with both straights and homosexuals of both genders as controls but that would be expensive af

>>8708598
I read her blog and have chatted with her on occasions before. I've also included some things that she works with (e.g. depersonalization) in some of my surveys and told her the results, so we're kinda working together on various things.

Anyway, this means that I'm fully aware of her criticism of Blanchard. However, I think that she is often a reasonable person and she will probably eventually see the point about A*P and HSTS.

>>8708768
>I really don't wanna be considered agp
If that's the attitude you're going at this with, then you're probably going to conclude that you aren't AGP, regardless of whether or not you are.

>>8709722
And if your attitude is "AGP is correct and should be applied to everyone I psychoanalyze online", you're probably going to conclude the whole world is going to spin your beliefs if you just give 'em time.

>she will probably eventually see the point about A*P and HSTS

Probably eventually. Truly, a scientific standard for all of us.

>>8709722
anon where are your survey results

>>8709722
you are insufferable autist obsessed with something that has no scientific proof (even if *some* of it is correct the typology is horsehide)

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>>8709739
her survey result is that up 50% of NORMAL (non-tans) people have AGP

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>>8709749
I've heard that but I want to see

I missed both the survey and the resultposting

>>8709749
Starting to believe the idea that all blanchard posters are just fetishists who want to feminize sissies all day.

>>8709701
Autogynephilia being so strongly tied to Blanchard's typology is honestly the worst. How many people could be saved if they were told that what they're experiencing doesn't mean that they can't be trans? But instead people either hide this information because they fear that it'll be misused.. or wield it as a weapon against trans people, trying to present late onset transsexuality as fetishistic LARPing. Meanwhile trans people with AGP age beyond the point where they can have reasonable bodies.

It's seriously fucked up.

>>8709739
I'm working on creating a blog where I discuss them.

>>8709749
Well, really low intensities of AGP.

>>8709762
Not true, there's some who don't. For example, Trent is opposed to feminizing sissies unless they are Very Dysphoric.

>>8709807
Literally Blanchard's typology is the one which says AGP is trans.

>>8709626
>>8709749

I am continually amazed by how willfully people STILL misunderstand AGP and Blanchard.

No shit normal people have AGP, you can watch cross dressing porn for days, it's one of the top 5 fetishes in the world. Hell I used to live with a roofer and his favorite thing was to dress up like a teenage slut and night and have his girlfriend fuck him in the ass.

The POINT, Blanchard's point, is that for some people, AGP crosses a line to where it becomes a disorder and your life goes to shit. Then you need treatment, usually by transition, to address the dsyphoria.

And the corollary: that's different than some poor shnook who's dealing with hardwired brain issues from very early on. and surprise, those people can have AGP too, but they are two ways to account to differences in GNC and dysphoria.

It's not fucking eugenics for fuck's sake. It's a working theory.

>>8709818
Blanchard might have thought that but gatekeeping based on AGP and online misinterpreting it as fake trans used to be pretty common and only the most autistic of trannies actually read him and know that his actual opinion is different

>>8709807
Are you surprised toadlets and right wingers do everything to make people miserable because their muh commoon sunse told them too?

These people rely on bullying and gut feelings for all of their worldviews. If it doesn't involve hitting shit, it involves running off on bananas theories about society or full on conspiratard nonsense.

>>8709838
Gatekeeping was there long before AGP was ever a concept. You are relying on regurgitated 4chan info for this one, and it's obvious. It was way worse before the typology, in fact...

>only autistic people read

The dearth of our society.

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>>8709846
Don't bully my nibba survey anon they're one of the nicest and most reasonable posters on this board even if you don't agree with the theory itself

>>8709853
>>only autistic people read
W-what?

>>8709834
>No shit normal people have AGP, you can watch cross dressing porn for days, it's one of the top 5 fetishes in the world. Hell I used to live with a roofer and his favorite thing was to dress up like a teenage slut and night and have his girlfriend fuck him in the ass.

I think a lot of crossdressers who've crossdressed since childhood would've gladly transitioned had the resources been available, and a community where it wouldn't be social suicide.

>>8709818
In a very circular fashion! It says that being AGP makes you trans, but also that being trans means you're either a mentally ill man who fell in love with a gender-flipped fragment of himself and seeks to change his body to match his image of that fragment in order to lead a romantic relationship with it OR you're a man who couldn't deal with society rejecting him for being feminine and so transitioned for privilege and to better tempt men.

This definition of what being trans means is completely at odds with the definition used by most-everyone so it can't be taken to say what you think it says. Apply your rationalist approach here: that both groups use the same word does not mean that the word refers to the same concept. It's not the same X in both equations.

Forgetting all of this for a second, though, Blanchard supports trying to cure AGP in underaged individuals and only letting adults transition so his approach would cause even more harm than the current situation.

>>8709879
This.
blanchardfags are the absolute worst.
Blanchard thinks that trans women are mentally ill men and that does not help trans women!

>>8709834
>It's a working theory.
Why do AGPs have feminized brains, pre-hormones?

It's not a working theory. It's an untested hypothesis that speculates that autogynephilia is a cause of transsexuality.

>>8709834
P.S.
>And the corollary: that's different than some poor shnook who's dealing with hardwired brain issues from very early on.
Blanchard doesn't believe this poor shnook exists. All types of gender dysphoria are induced during one's life. In the case of HSTSs they're induced socially.

>>8709838
He routinely retweets TERFs. It's not that his opinion of AGPs is high, but that his opinion of HSTSs is just as low.

>>8709834
>his favorite thing was to dress up like a teenage slut and night and have his girlfriend fuck him in the ass.

that's trans af and quite typical too, personally knwo people who went from bedroom role swapping to transition
people who just wank to fetish porn arent even close

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>>8709910
funny enough TERFs are more reasonable than leftie trans activists and Blanchard sees them as conservative allies in opposing childhood transitioning

we live in insane times

>>8709910
Still better than "don't transition for a fetish!!!1"

>>8709976
Being more reasonable than someone unreasonable does not make you reasonable. There's no excuse.

>>8709990
As you can see upthread the actual medical literature acknowledges trans people can and often do have AGP. It's a false dichotomy. The "it's just a fetish" crowd tends to be the same crowd that believes in the typology.

>>8709976
>TERFs are more reasonable than leftie trans activists
ha

>>8710083
How is that relevant to the original points ie.
>people think that agp makes them not trans which is the fault of the person who invented the term
>the inventor of the term considers it trans and the notion that it makes you fake doesn't originate from him and thus it's not his fault that people use it that way

>>8710101
I've answered that here:
>>8709879

But beyond even that given his tacit support for the people who "misuse" his work, such as TERFs, I'd say that he can't claim innocence nowadays.

>>8710101
>the inventor of the term considers it trans and the notion that it makes you fake doesn't originate from him and thus it's not his fault that people use it that way
He doesn't think that they're trans, he thinks they are mentally ill men. He's not a trans ally, he's a trans enemy.

>>8710112
And that's still better than saying you shouldn't transition at all if you're AGP

>>8710120
He thinks trans = mentally ill men, thus AGP is trans

>>8708174
*vomits*

>>8710124
>And that's still better than saying you shouldn't transition at all if you're AGP
Granted, but it's still pretty bad.

http://genderanalysis.net/articles/that-was-dysphoria-8-signs-and-symptoms-of-indirect-gender-dysphoria/

not to shill her site or anything but i fell through a rabbit hole on her reading this thread i can't believe how accurate this is holy fuck

>>8704748
She thinks it's transphobic if straight guys won't date her.

>>8710340
read the playboy article

>>8710340

isn't she a lesbian in a committed relationship?

>>8710133

Don't be mean!! :(((

>>8709897

why do gay men? Why do lesbians have male brains?

brain sex is absolute shit as a theory for transgender. drop it.

>>8710120
>>8710124

transgender is a mental illness no matter how you squeeze it. that is reality. If it wasn't, trannies would't neck themselves if they can't transition.

QED

>>8710461
Mental illness vs medical condition meh. The brain is an organ just like any other. Yes it is an illness. The treatment is transion.

>>8710461
Being transgender is a gender minority, not an illness.
It's akin to people thinking left handed people were ill for using their left hand.
Humans are stupid primates and don't like differences. Luckily, we can learn that our biases are uninformed, and progress as a society.
or you can shitpost on a Cantonese hentai imageboard. w/e

>>8710689
Left handed people don't claim to be right handed and say you have to give them drugs to make them right handed even though they were not born right handed and never will be, or else they will kill themselves.

>>8710689
It's the same as being gay or lesbian.

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>>8710707
shit it is then. good choice!

>>8710707
>>8710711

I have to see doctors so it's a medical condition

She's a nut. She literally does not accept that Islam murders gays. She even tweeted a picture of them being thrown off buildings, and tried to claim the Islamists were trying to stop the gay men from "jumping".

She's pure garbage.

>>8710725
Everyone visits the doctor anon. It's a checkup, not an illness.

>>8710738
You are lying.

Someone else tweeted it at her with *literally no description of the context* and she said it should have a content warning for suicide.

>>8710725
You can do, you don't have to. Gays can do too, they don't have to either.

>>8710744
Yeah, and when she was pressed on it, having previously defended Islam, she refused to acknowledge those people were being murdered. That's the dick fucks you like yourself up with... Ones who are suck slaves to ideology that they'd sooner watch gays heads smashed on sidewalks than accept their new pet religion might not be so kind to people like them, in countries where they have unfettered control.

>>8710738
I believe you but proof?

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>>8710765
https://ageofshitlords.com/crazy-sjw-thinks-photos-isis-throwing-gays-off-buildings-actually-isis-saving-suicidal-people

Not the most impartial source. Just google Sonia Jones isis

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>>8710707 >>8710689

Blanchie has spoken

>>8710776
yeah typical leftie piece of shit 'activist' who is only harmful to transgenders and only cares about promoting radical left agenda

>>8710776
https://mobile.twitter.com/stillgray/status/881418514510225408?lang=en

The mad man! She actually doubled down on it when confronted!!! This is lgbt's mainstream tolerant activist? You guys are nucking futs!

>>8710757
>>8710776
>>8710807
Archive and screencap every bit.

This needs to be linked and posted in every thread where she is defended.

>>8710807
So I read somewhere cis people can't understand irony. Any truth to that?

>>8710850
Are you retarded? Look at her replies, dumbass! She's literally saying "but it looks like suicide!" About a picture of a hogtied and blindfolded man being thrown off a building.

You can be dense and try to chalk it up to sarcasm or facetiousness. Anyone else can clearly see she's trying to defend her initial tweet which thereby confirms she is a ditzy racist cunt.

>>8710825
she's only defend by the like-minded lefties who lie or deny reality as long it suits their politics
even in this thread there are bullshitters like this (or maybe its Zina herself for how much stupid flattery it contains) >>8705077

>>8710865
No, people who don't know what she's like or haven't even heard of her need to be informed too.

>>8710862
I heard cis people don't know what trolling is.

>>8710784
Truly a paragon of hope and virtue for transgender people everywhere. Survey and Trent are so right to invest in this fine mans ideas!

>>8710883
Of the twitter screenshots posted in this thread, that's the one you find problematic?

>>8710879
You think that's an appropriate thing to troll about? As someone who thinks of themselves as an advocate for LGBT people? You sure pick weird friends.

>>8710850
>>8710879
Keep your story straight Zinnia.

>>8710869
Honestly I'd rather no one knew about her, radicals like that only make people hate all trans by association.


...and here comes denial of reality, like a clockwork >>8710850 >>8710879

>>8710922
Trans people need to know about her so we can denounce her instead of treating her as a community leader.

>>8710929
Nah, keep her as your cheerleader. It makes fags like me a lot happier...

Like when BLM makes Mike Brown their cover boy XD!!!

>>8710963
Proving my point perfectly.

She needs to be exposed and denounced.

>>8710978
Oh look, another CIS gay telling us who is and isn't kosher for the trans community.

Maybe we want someone a bit more pragmatic and edgy. Maybe we won't bend down to you guys anymore!

>>8710825
You're right. You need to screencap this event that:

a) Happened more than a month ago
b) IS ALREADY FUCKING SCREENCAPPED

>>8710879
I think not getting Irony is the least of their problems desu

>>8710963
>>8710996
>/pol/ switching stories within two posts

>>8710738

People were spamming her graphic images of death so I can't blame her for tweeting something stupid, it's honestly abusive to do something like that, graphic violence can trigger ptsd in so many ppl it's really gross that it happened

>>8711055
Ya, of people spam me pics of Auschwitz enough, I'll eventually deny the Holocaust.

Honestly are you fucking retarded?

>>8711055
Lol, I wonder what people like you would have said in WW2.

>The nazis aren't at fault! They were triggered! No one has personal responsibility anymore, least of which those who impact others!!!

>>8711079

Lmao, if ppl send me pictures of dead bodies repeatadly and it triggers my ptsd, and I said something stupid that's not holocaust denial or saying ISIS doesn't kill gay ok ok

>>8711093

kek, except the Nazis comitted genocide, not saying something stupid on twitter

>>8711098
But she literally denied that is murders gays. Are you a /pol/ troll trying to make trans look stupid, or are you just a fucking retard.

>>8711109

for the specific pictures i know she said that they were 'stopping them from committing suicide,' great she said something stupid, are you saying she doesn't believe Iran and Isis and such aren't executing gay people? If that's what you're saying that's a bit different and considerably more gross

>>8711118
Ya, it's very "gross". So "problematic". "Icky", if you will...

So you're a retard...

And yeah, she said she does not believe they are being murdered. That Isis, being the good Muslims they are, was trying to save suicidal gay men from jumping off roofs...
That's who you're defending right now. A cunt so stupid she thinks the first and 2nd step to suicide is blindfold yourself, then hogtie yourself.

As fucking stupid as she was in the moment, you managed to be even dumber after the fact, with all the evidence lined up infront of you. You are stupendously stupid, and should really shut up. You're just making everyone here look worse by association.

>>8711130
She's not stupid enough to believe that and neither is the anon you're responding to. Both know full well what they're lying about.

>>8711140
But that would make them... Dare I say it... Shitty people :O

With the moron here, it's probably just trolling, but what about zenia? She has an entire career built off this advocacy! And somehow she still gets defended on /lgbt/ and twitter and tumblr and blogs and etc....

My whole world is crashing down like a house of cards!!!! Nothing makes sense!!!

Oh wait, no. I always knew trannies were insane XD

>>8711150
>And somehow she still gets defended on /lgbt/
>I always knew trannies were insane XD
So much for what /lgbt/ says meaning anything.

>and twitter and tumblr and blogs and etc....
Twitter is literally where she is, so...

>>8711211
Oh fuck off. Everyone knows /lgbt/ is the trannies domain. All the other sane queers have their own boards. Gays have /hm/ and /pol/, dykes have /n/ and /Po/ and bis have everything...

>>8711258
And yet here you are!

>>8711275
Sorry if I'm invading your space. I guess this makes up for all the lgbtqiiaa2s university and college clubs you freaks coopted and then banned all the vanilla gay CIS men from.

>>8711398
Shitpost all you want but don't pretend other people's shitposts aren't from transphobes too.

>>8706509
>Agp transbian detected

>>8711419
Why is it so "problematic" when people trash trannies on a obscure troll-ish Laotian basketweaving site, when the trans from said site chose to elevate an activist who *literally* denied the subjugation and murder of gay men?

All joking and teasing aside, you can understand how that's fucked up, right? Look at this thread. 80% of it is you guys trying to decide how best to manage the pr of zinnia... Not to outright say she's a fucking lunatic who shouldn't represent trans issues, but rather "how can we make everyone else ignore this!!! I know, she was just joking! No, she's actually really sarcastic!!! Yeah, that sounds more plausible!"... All while actual gay Men watch, and see how devious you guys are. It's disheartening... Luckily I never expected much from the trans wing, so I'm not too hurt. But thanks for reaffirming my low expectations.

>>8711398
>banned all the gay vanilla gay CIS men
Why would anyone want to get rid of them???
That's fucking rude.

>>8711453
I dunno... But the lgbt groups in plenty of universities, including Oxford and Berkeley and Rutgers all make a point of saying gay CIS men are no longer welcome to participate in the community. Some are explicitly limiting gay white men, and others are still allowing gay men but request that they stay in the background so as to not draw attention away from the lesbians and trannies.

I think it's mostly to do with gay men veering out of the progressive wing of politics. Dykes and trans are probably like 98% Liberal. With gays it's probably only 60 or 70%, and the conservative ones get a lot of attention, so maybe they're trying to hedge their nets and just shut down all gays before they speak too loud.

>>8704748

As if it wasn't enough that she raped ufufu. You really need something more?

the T in LGBT is such a different thing, it shouldn't be grouped together

>>8712021

what's ufufu?

>>8712028
Agreed, go back to your own boards, LGB!

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>>8712033
This bitch.

>>8712046

I'm sorry I am so behind on if this is a meme or not, did Zinnia Jones rape her?

>>8711443
t. blind

>>8712028
I'm tired of explaining this
There are good reasons they are together. Historical reasons, shared experiences, basically all are people going against what society holds sacred for their gender/sex. The people who want to drop the T are selfish gays who are ok saying "Fuck you, I got mine."

>>8712059

Also like upwards of 60-80% of trans ppl are lg or b so at best you're getting rid of like a quarter of us at most

>>8712076
otoh it's only the hstses being kicked

>>8712059
There's no reason to explain anything to people who know the truth but lie anyway. You just have to point out to others that they're liars, or you're just setting up others and teaching them to waste their breath on liars.

I had to spend a lifetime before I finally figured out what nobody would tell me, that conservatives are nothing more than despicable liars and never tell the truth, though they're fully aware of the truth. Don't teach others false crap so that they have to spend a lifetime figure out YOU were lying to them about how other people think.

Toss the tape and rock that bulge. Wear your new bikini to the beach and dare anyone to say a word. Find someone who respects you and your girldick. Let it atrophy into something adorable. Take your $20,000 and travel the world. Call it Nadine and make little ballet outfits for it.

>>8712248
ily kayla

>>8712276
ily2

>>8710807
>She actually doubled down on it when confronted

>>8710902 >>8710893


The point is that doubling down and saying ridiculous stuff to try to get an angry reaction is a perfectly natural human reaction for someone who is pissed off and doesn't respect the person she's arguing with. She was angry and possibly drunk and while it definitely wasn't a *good* reaction, the idea that these are somehow her sincere views is ridiculous.

>>8711130
>That Isis, being the good Muslims they are, was trying to save suicidal gay men from jumping off roofs...

If she didn't know it was a murder she probably didn't know the other guys in the pic were isis. And the blindfold and being tied up weren't actually that obvious in the picture until pointed out. And by the time anyone explained it to her she was already on a roll.

>>8711130
>>8712834 P.S.

Saying she claimed "trying to save suicidal gay men" is itself a distortion - with no context how the hell is anyone supposed to know the guy's gay? I *still* haven't seen the proof that this is someone being killed for being gay rather than any of a million other reasons ISIS kills people.

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>>8712834
After everyone blew up at her, she actually claimed to have been trolling all along, to make a fool of 'Islamophobic assholes pretending to care about gay people dying' or some shit. Because the only people who don't like it when gays are murdered by ISIS are Islamophobes, obviously, what other group of people could possible have a dog in that fight?

>>8712867
>Because the only people who don't like it when gays are murdered by ISIS are Islamophobes, obviously

The only people who bring it up in unrelated discussions are.

>>8712895

But not all the people who respond when they see someone mockingly denying that it even happened.

>>8712818
>defending ISIS is a perfectly natural human reaction
Maybe for leftists.

>>8713162
The thing is bringing up ISIS (regardless of doing it so incompetently noone knows what your pic is) in response to discussion of regular Muslims is something only islamophobic bigots do.

>>8713184
You know something like 30% of British Muslims support Isis on a ideological level. And over 80% of the world's Muslims believe gays should be murdered... But let's ignore that when we talk about Muslims, and instead pretend they're all sunshine and happiness!

>>8713268
>No really I'm totally concerned about the gay homosexual and her tweet was offensive, not at all taken out of context and clearly not obviously a joke that any sane human would get

>>8713331
Read her replies to being called out. It's not a joke, and you're a pretty fucking horrible person for enabling her.

Whatever, I don't care, I already think trans people are insane. Thank you for proving it goes beyond the flag bearers in the community.

This thread should be archived and brought up every time a shemale whines about how problematic CIS people are. What a wonderful display if just how deranged and toxic you trannies are XD