Contradictions in anti-trans shitfits

>>8692721
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25180172

https://archive.fo/psaP6

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24619651

https://www.hindawi.com/journals/psychiatry/2014/971814/

http://mjiri.iums.ac.ir/browse.php?a_id=2444&slc_lang=en&sid=1&ftxt=1

https://www.hindawi.com/journals/tswj/2014/809058/

http://m.pnas.org/content/112/50/15468

These don't necessarily contradict so long as you keep in mind the one crucial idea they have- fuck trans people

Regarding SRS, the idea would be to keep the penis and stay in male spaces

Regarding dating, the answer is they think we shouldn't- fuck us for being attracted to people and wanting companionship

Regarding passing, see the SRS point- we should pass and stay in male spaces

Regarding adoption... I can't think of a way to get those viewpoints to work together, honestly

But yeah, it's not that the conclusion stems from their arguments, it's that they've already arrived at the conclusion- which is that they hate trans people- and are making up BS arguments to try and get to that conclusion.

This is why whenever any pseudo-medical bullshit pops up, they start spamming it. The pimozide thing for instance, or the bullshit claims about SRS

The viewpoint holds that whatever we do, we shouldn't expect to be seen as equal humans

>>8692743
nice hindi journals as per usual blanchardspammer lelel western science too cucked 4 u?

>>8692743
>ooh, maybe if I link a whole bunch of studies without making an argument, it'll look like an automatic rebuttal.
Not to mention that most of these studies have subtle conclusions and do not invalidate trans identity. Especially the ones that highlight other comorbid psychological disorders -- they do not imply that trans identity isn't real, but rather that trans people need better psychological care and better diagnostic procedures. And you can throw out any study from Iran, of which you've linked three, because of the way their political climate affects trans people.

>>8692754
>the one crucial idea they have- fuck trans people
yeah, this is pretty much what I'm pointing out. the intellectual dishonesty and psuedoscientific bent of trans opponents.

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>>8692755
Here's some Western science.

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>>8692796

>>8692743
well i'm to lazy to read all of those, so i guess you win.

>>8692796
>>8692798
again, you can post these charts all over the board all you want, but nothing here directly invalidates the legitimacy of gender identity. Do transgender people struggle with mental illness? Of course. The constant hate inflicts a psychological toll as well. But *being transgender itself* is not a mental illness. Identifying as trans is not distressing, the dysphoria resulting from the mismatch is, and we can treat that through transition.

>>8692796
So, looking at the Prevalence of PD row, I'm seeing something noteworthy- there's no correlation.

We're seeing rates as low as 3% and as high as 77%.

Your chart doesn't back up your claim.

>>8692798
This seems like a shit study if I've ever seen one- the sample groupings put heterosexual males at having statistically 0% in a pretty much every PD type, which doesn't hold true to reality.

Further, this information doesn't actually show causation.

Your information is shit. Which isn't surprising, since your side is always like that.

>>8692831
not to mention, cherry picking charts without linking the full study makes me suspect there's something fishy going on with what anon wants us to infer.

>>8692838
I did link it in the first reply...

>>8692838
Yup

It's like when people link that swedish study showing high rates of suicide attempts in post-op trans people as a way of saying SRS doesn't help, while ignoring that the actual conclusion drawn by the researchers was that there needs to be more therapy after SRS.

>>8692831
Look at how Cole et al. and Hoshiai et al. got such different results. They're both large studies, but they came up with totally different numbers and found different disorders.

>>8692842

You linked 7 studies, with no explanation or conclusion.

Which study did you get the graphs from?

>>8692849
Yeah, pretty much no study there agrees with the others. What I'm getting from that whole thing is that there's no conclusion to be drawn here.

>>8692798
>heterosexual males being found to have huge levels of OCPD
>not to mention that, but also seriously high levels of histrionic PD

Now there's something I can believe in. Something I can affirm.

>>8692842
could you be specific about which link is relevant?

>>8692721
On AGP
>it's real and you're just a fetishist
>it's not a legitimate orientation or reason to have a female identity

>>8695099
To what sorry?

Autism Spectrum Disorders in Gender Dysphoric Children and Adolescents:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25180172

https://archive.fo/psaP6

Increased gender variance in autism spectrum disorders and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24619651

Psychiatric Axis I Comorbidities among Patients with Gender Dysphoria:

https://www.hindawi.com/journals/psychiatry/2014/971814/

Personality Disorders in Persons with Gender Identity Disorder:

https://www.hindawi.com/journals/tswj/2014/809058/

The frequency of personality disorders in patients with gender identity disorder:

http://mjiri.iums.ac.ir/browse.php?a_id=2444&slc_lang=en&sid=1&ftxt=1

Sex beyond the genitalia: The human brain mosaic:

http://m.pnas.org/content/112/50/15468

>>8692721
True, I hear these all the time by themselves but I never noticed how contradictory they are. This is macro worthy

>>8692743
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25180172
>https://www.hindawi.com/journals/psychiatry/2014/971814/
Yes, we know that mood/anxiety disorders are common comorbidities.

By the way, an "adjustment disorder" is literally a depressive episode that someone experiences under heavy stress. It's not innate, and you'd FULLY expect a huge chunk of trans people to have an adjustment disorder.

>https://archive.fo/psaP6
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24619651
The connection to autism poorly understood, but the overlapping theories re: etiology suggests that being trans is inborn. This data doesn't really help /pol/ out.

>http://mjiri.iums.ac.ir/browse.php?a_id=2444&slc_lang=en&sid=1&ftxt=1
We tore apart the methodology of this one twice this week at least. Hint, if you want your psychology study to be taken seriously, don't use assessment scales developed in 1977.

>https://www.hindawi.com/journals/tswj/2014/809058/
N = 30.

>http://m.pnas.org/content/112/50/15468
Nobody ever claimed that male and female brains are so distinct (or have so little overlap) that you could easily tell the sex of one individual brain from a scan. The aggregate AVERAGES of male and female brains, however, ARE distinct and quite far apart in various respects. In those respects, MtF brains AVERAGE much closer to female and vice versa for FtMs.

>>8692796
Holy shit, this is terrible. >>8692831 already pointed it out, but just look at how little any of this data agrees. Not only that, but the studies with bigger samples found SMALLER numbers of trans people with PDs - any reasonable person would question if the smaller studies had a sample bias.

Then they don't even agree on the type of PD that's most common. One study finds B and C cluster disorders more common. Another finds A and B more common. Another finds cluster B the most common and A and C equally common. Another finds NOS diagnoses more common than A or C!

Ridiculous.

>>8692847
Aaaand people misread that study, because it actually only found high suicide rates in the first cohort (e.g. only from the start of the study up until 1989) and not during the second half of the study (1989-2003).

>>8692754
The desired result for adoption is obviously that we stay cis to raise children.

>>8696292
Link to study?

>>8696298
I would be fine if trans were banned from adoption.

>>8692798
Do you know that people did and are still doing similar shit with LGB people? The whole "gay men are actually suffering from depression / other mental illnesses, homosexuality is comorbid with mental illness" schtick? It holds more validity with trannies bc of gender dysphoria but it doesn't invalidate gender identity. LGBT people are in a minority community subject to high stress, parental abuse, bullying, rape, etc. So of course they're going to have higher rates of mental illness.

>>8696611
It entirely invalidates gender identity. Being gay is real and provable genetically and with arousal studies. Being gay and having autism doesn't make you a woman.

>>8696889
No, the brain scans do that. Dumbass.

>>8696464
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885

>Table 2 separately lists the outcomes depending on when sex reassignment was performed: during the period 1973-1988 or 1989–2003. Even though the overall mortality was increased across both time periods, it did not reach statistical significance for the period 1989–2003.

The lead author was interviewed about this study here: http://transadvocate.com/fact-check-study-shows-transition-makes-trans-people-suicidal_n_15483.htm

>The study as a whole covers the period between 1973 and 2003. If one divides the cohort into two groups, 1973 to 1988 and 1989 to 2003, one observes that for the latter group (1989 – 2003), differences in mortality, suicide attempts and crime disappear.

[...]

>The difference we observed between the 1989 to 2003 cohort and the control group is that the trans cohort group accessed more mental health care, which is appropriate given the level of ongoing discrimination the group faces. What the data tells us is that things are getting measurably better and the issues we found affecting the 1973 to 1988 cohort group likely reflects a time when trans health and psychological care was less effective and social stigma was far worse.

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>>8692721
>Bottom line: anti-trans arguments are full of shit

You haven't convinced me.
Everything you stated is pretty accurate.
What is your argument that it is "full of shit"?

>>8696139
>http://m.pnas.org/content/112/50/15468
This is becoming a meme study. Read the "Related Letters." You can separate m/f brains with multivariate analysis.

>>8696940
You don't want to be convinced.

>>8692721
>>SRS is mutilation, you delusional freak.
objectively true

>>If you WANT TO keep USING your penis, you're not really trans, keep your junk out of women's spaces.
objectively true

>>You're just a hyper-effeminate gay man afraid to come out, trans is gay erasure.
what is HSTS

>>You're a rapist trying to deceive straight men into gay sex.
Judging by how entitled trannies to straight male bodies this is true

>>You're not a real lesbian, trans is lesbian erasure.
objectively true

>>You're just a straight man trying to correctively rape lesbians
pretty much works the same way as with straight males

>>What a fucking freak, it shouldn't be in public.
>>You're just passing yourself off as a woman to sneak into bathrooms and rape.
both objectively true

>>You're a man trying to infiltrate and take over women's spaces. (At least, if you're lucky, you won't hear it to your face unless you tell the wrong person.)
only one I agree with

>>Children deserve a real mother and a real father, anything else is child abuse.
once again objectively true

>>Trans is degeneracy that's eroding the family unit.
nice strawman

>>8699934
>anyone who says something that makes my side look bad is a strawman

>>8696940
because no matter which side the trans person falls on these issues, they are hated nonetheless

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>>8692721
It looks like you'll just have to go into permanent boy mode in order to be liked.

>>8701077
accept no one says this in real life

>>8702372
They can't, because that would require real life experience.

>>8702383
>They can't, because that would require real life experience.
?

>>8702407
Take a little time to think over it.

>>8702429
other than "le basement dweller" maymay can't think of anything

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>>8692743
Maybe next time you can try and throw an argument or two in there faggot /pol/tard

>>8702635
Trannies are men.

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>>8699934